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TexansCanes said:
i think the player that gets most of the carries next year for usc is hershal dennis if both white and bush leave. one thing you are forgetting is that leinart calls the shots, which is why he is so good. the guy is the college version of peyton, he called to the fly route to jarret on the fourth and nine. usc is going to experience a huge drop off next year because the norm chow connection will pretty much gone. hear good stuff about both booty and sanchez, booty will probably be the starter becasue he is a junior.
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Forgot all about Dennis. Here's to hoping he's made a full recovery by next Spring.
 
Youngstown Colt said:
John David Booty is actually one of the most talented QBs to ever come out of high school, so it's not that far fetched.
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He came out of the same high school system that produced Booty's older brother and Brock Berlin. Both were highly regarded coming out of high school and both were considered flops in college. Neither could replace the QB in front of them (Booty at LSU, Berlin at Florida) so both transfered. If JDB is a better QB than Leinart, I'm pretty sure somebody that knows a thing or two about QBs (Norm Chow) would have had him running his offense instead of Leinart himself.

So...what exactly have JDB and Sanchez done to prove they're "FAR" better QBs than Leinart?
 
Huge said:
He came out of the same high school system that produced Booty's older brother and Brock Berlin. Both were highly regarded coming out of high school and both were considered flops in college. Neither could replace the QB in front of them (Booty at LSU, Berlin at Florida) so both transfered. If JDB is a better QB than Leinart, I'm pretty sure somebody that knows a thing or two about QBs (Norm Chow) would have had him running his offense instead of Leinart himself.
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That makes no sense.

A. So because a player comes from the same system as two other "flops"(Berlin is in the NFL, don't know how anyone who goes pro is considered a flop...), all players from that system have to fail. Right, gotcha.

B. Leinart had two years in the USC system more than Booty, why wouldnt he have been the starter?
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
That makes no sense.

A. So because a player comes from the same system as two other "flops"(Berlin is in the NFL, don't know how anyone who goes pro is considered a flop...), all players from that system have to fail. Right, gotcha.

B. Leinart had two years in the USC system more than Booty, why wouldnt he have been the starter?
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A. What NFL team does Berlin play for?

B. Leinart wouldn't be the starter if he wasn't the better QB. It's a pretty simple concept. The fact he's been in the system longer doesn't matter. If he's not the better QB, then he's not going to start. The fact that he is starting (and has been starting...and winning Heismans, and being named All-American, etc., etc.) should be enough to tell you who the better QB is.
 
Huge said:
A. What NFL team does Berlin play for?

B. Leinart wouldn't be the starter if he wasn't the better QB. It's a pretty simple concept. The fact he's been in the system longer doesn't matter. If he's not the better QB, then he's not going to start. The fact that he is starting (and has been starting...and winning Heismans, and being named All-American, etc., etc.) should be enough to tell you who the better QB is.
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Berlin is on the Dolphins practice squad as far as I know.

OK, You got me. Experience in a system doesnt matter. Throwing a 17 year old kid into a D1 Lion's Den is no different from throwing a 20 year old who had 2 years to learn the system and adapt to the speed of college football, out there. :ok:
 
Huge said:
He came out of the same high school system that produced Booty's older brother and Brock Berlin. Both were highly regarded coming out of high school and both were considered flops in college. Neither could replace the QB in front of them (Booty at LSU, Berlin at Florida) so both transfered. If JDB is a better QB than Leinart, I'm pretty sure somebody that knows a thing or two about QBs (Norm Chow) would have had him running his offense instead of Leinart himself.

So...what exactly have JDB and Sanchez done to prove they're "FAR" better QBs than Leinart?
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funny you say that becuase norm chow, while at a pac-10 press conference after he left usc, said that he thought john david was more talented and could very well be better than leinart. i find it hard to believe also but if chow said it then i might have to take his word for it.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Berlin is on the Dolphins practice squad as far as I know.

OK, You got me. Experience in a system doesnt matter. Throwing a 17 year old kid into a D1 Lion's Den is no different from throwing a 20 year old who had 2 years to learn the system and adapt to the speed of college football, out there. :ok:
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As of August 31st, Berlin was no longer a member of the Miami Dolphins.

Booty is a 20 year old QB in his 3rd year at USC. That's hardly "throwing a 17 year old kid into a D1 Lion's Den". So again, if he is a "FAR better" QB than Leinart, is now 20 years old (will be 21 before their bowl game) and is in his 3rd year of their system, don't you think he'd be starting over Leinart? Surely this would be obvious to football minds like Pete Carroll and Steve Sarkisian. Right?
 
TexansCanes said:
funny you say that becuase norm chow, while at a pac-10 press conference after he left usc, said that he thought john david was more talented and could very well be better than leinart. i find it hard to believe also but if chow said it then i might have to take his word for it.
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I'll try to make my point of view a little clearer...

I do believe that Booty and Sanchez are better athletes than Leinart. I do not believe that this makes them better QBs.

If one or the other has the opportunity to become better QBs than Leinart, I believe Sanchez has the better chance of doing so. This is based on nothing other than watching them play in high school. Because really, what else do we have to go by?
 
Huge said:
Booty is a 20 year old QB in his 3rd year at USC. That's hardly "throwing a 17 year old kid into a D1 Lion's Den". So again, if he is a "FAR better" QB than Leinart, is now 20 years old (will be 21 before their bowl game) and is in his 3rd year of their system, don't you think he'd be starting over Leinart? Surely this would be obvious to football minds like Pete Carroll and Steve Sarkisian. Right?
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You missed my point entirely. I won't even bother trying to rephrase it, it was quite simplified to begin with.
 
I think so. He is almost as fast Mike ran a 4.25 - 40 and Marcus ran a 4.28-40. I also think Marcus is more accurate and has better pocket presence.
 
Heywood said:
hawk can only play MLB and really only that in a 4-3

carpenter is physically more gifted- he's taller and faster. he's really a sensational athlete who will zoom up the charts at the combine. he can play any of the 4 LB spots in a 3-4.
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He's not faster, not on the football field. He's really not even a good cover LB, but he is a really good pass rusher.

I watch every one of their games. Hawk is a better all around LB, and he'll prove that in the pros.

Every year you have people who think it's brilliant to say that they guy who doesn't get the hype is actually the better player. Well, in this case, you're wrong. It wouldn't suprise me to see Carpenter become a DE in the NFL, but he sure as hell can't play the middle in either the 4-3 or 3-4.
 
Huge said:
I'll try to make my point of view a little clearer...

I do believe that Booty and Sanchez are better athletes than Leinart. I do not believe that this makes them better QBs.

If one or the other has the opportunity to become better QBs than Leinart, I believe Sanchez has the better chance of doing so. This is based on nothing other than watching them play in high school. Because really, what else do we have to go by?
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i know what you are saying, i am just saying what chow said. i will clear up what i said, chow said he thinks booty will be a better qb.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
You missed my point entirely. I won't even bother trying to rephrase it, it was quite simplified to begin with.
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I don't think I missed your point at all...

WildBlackBear32 said:
The scary part is, Both John David Booty and Mark Sanchez are FAR better QBs than Leinart.
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That's pretty cut and dry.

Now if your point is/was that they could or would become better QBs than Leinart, then that's different (though I'd still disagree with the Booty could/will be better ... Sanchez, maybe, but not Booty).

But the fact that Leinart has been starting over both of them, has won 2 MNC's, 1 Heisman, put up better numbers his sophmore year than Carson Palmer did the year he won the Heisman, is a two-time All-American (3 at the end of this year) and could become just the 2nd player ever to win the Heisman twice gives me just an inkling that he might be a bit better QB than one QB with 33 career collegiate pass attempts (Booty) and another QB with zero (Sanchez).

Brent Rawls was the other Evangel Christian(same high school as the Booty's and Berlin) QB (signed with Oklahoma then transfered to La. Tech). That's a trend.

TexansCanes said:
i know what you are saying, i am just saying what chow said. i will clear up what i said, chow said he thinks booty will be a better qb.
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Dennis Franchione is telling RB recruits that he can make them better than Ladanian Tomlinson.

Moral of that story: Don't take everything a coach says to heart.

thefuture17 said:
Whats everyones thoughts on Marcus Vick is he gonna be better then his broher or not
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I think Marcus has a long way to go before he proves he's as good as his brother. Their physical abilities are somewhat close (Mike has a much better arm). But Mike has a sizeable advantage in intangibles (leadership, winning). Not that Marcus can't prove he can do the same. He just hasn't done it yet.

But no, I don't think he's going to be better than his brother.
 
Huge said:
I think Marcus has a long way to go before he proves he's as good as his brother. Their physical abilities are somewhat close (Mike has a much better arm). But Mike has a sizeable advantage in intangibles (leadership, winning). Not that Marcus can't prove he can do the same. He just hasn't done it yet.

But no, I don't think he's going to be better than his brother.
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I personally think that Marcus will be bettr its just something inside me that makes me think Marcus is something special along with a few other college QBs this year.But the thing that people dont know about vick is he probably throws the alll harder then any QB in the league besides probably Favre and Carr.But he isnt a pocketpasser at all and thats why marcus is gonna be better
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Nope...you definetly missed it...
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That was a direct quote from you. You weren't trying to make the point that Booty and Sanchez are better QBs than Leinart?

Or were you trying to make the point that Booty isn't starting over Leinart simply due to lack of system experience? In which case, makes no sense at all. He's been in their system for 3 years.

thefuture17 said:
I personally think that Marcus will be bettr its just something inside me that makes me think Marcus is something special along with a few other college QBs this year.But the thing that people dont know about vick is he probably throws the alll harder then any QB in the league besides probably Favre and Carr.But he isnt a pocketpasser at all and thats why marcus is gonna be better
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There are several pocket passers that wish they had Mike Vick's winning percentage as a starting QB.
 
Youngstown Colt said:
He's not faster, not on the football field. He's really not even a good cover LB, but he is a really good pass rusher.

I watch every one of their games. Hawk is a better all around LB, and he'll prove that in the pros.

Every year you have people who think it's brilliant to say that they guy who doesn't get the hype is actually the better player. Well, in this case, you're wrong. It wouldn't suprise me to see Carpenter become a DE in the NFL, but he sure as hell can't play the middle in either the 4-3 or 3-4.
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The thing is the Texans dont really need a middle linebacker. And the Texans do need a passrush. I think he'd be worth a late first or early second pick. He had 4 sacks against MSU, that tied a OSU record.
 
Hawk probably is the better linebacker, but Carpenter is more of what the Texans need. Wong and Greenwood are decent cover guys. But the texans have almost no passrush. Carpenter can boost that.
 
Huge said:
That was a direct quote from you. You weren't trying to make the point that Booty and Sanchez are better QBs than Leinart?

Or were you trying to make the point that Booty isn't starting over Leinart simply due to lack of system experience? In which case, makes no sense at all. He's been in their system for 3 years.
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Think deep. Actually, you probably don't have to think too deep, but just think a bit. It will come, I promise.
 
Huge said:
There are several pocket passers that wish they had Mike Vick's winning percentage as a starting QB.
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Ya i know and i never said Vick wasnt a good QB and if you look at it this way i dont remember Marcus losing any games yet either.I know theres a difference between college and pros but Marcus hasnt got his shot in the pros yet so im just comparing them ike that and i think Marcus will be better because hes a pretty good pocket passer [no where near the arm of michael but way more accurate] actually Marcus gots a cannon for an arm to but anyways Michael only runs a little better then him which is why Marcus is gonna be better because Marcus could be a pocket passer who can scramble real well but thats only my opinion now because if they can get Michael to be a good pocket QB then the rest of the NFL is screwed
 
Heywood said:
we're not necessarily seeing different things. i see carpenter like the nebraska rush-ends. i played the game and i watch the game, and i have no disrespect for hawk. this is a texans message board and i think the texans defense needs guys like rush-ends. i've seen carpenter cover a lot of ground, but i'll take your word for it in terms of pass coverage.
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That's all I wanted to know, if you liked Carpenter more for a Texans standpoint. And with that I agree, he is better for your team.

Ok, I get you.
 
WildBlackBear32 said:
Think deep. Actually, you probably don't have to think too deep, but just think a bit. It will come, I promise.
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I don't know...maybe it's the drugs (wisdom teeth were removed Monday. HA! Even better....lack of wisdom!). So if you could explain how the better QB isn't starting at USC after being in the system for 3 years I'd appreciate it.

TexansCanes said:
is he telling the media that these rb are going to be better than LaDainian?
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He's telling the players (who are then telling the media).

thefuture17 said:
Ya i know and i never said Vick wasnt a good QB and if you look at it this way i dont remember Marcus losing any games yet either.I know theres a difference between college and pros but Marcus hasnt got his shot in the pros yet so im just comparing them ike that and i think Marcus will be better because hes a pretty good pocket passer [no where near the arm of michael but way more accurate] actually Marcus gots a cannon for an arm to but anyways Michael only runs a little better then him which is why Marcus is gonna be better because Marcus could be a pocket passer who can scramble real well but thats only my opinion now because if they can get Michael to be a good pocket QB then the rest of the NFL is screwed
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Even if I don't agree with it, I can understand that point of view. I just see it differently.

It just seems that a lot of people lately like to jump on the next best thing...especially when it comes to QBs that are related (Eli will be better than Peyton...Marcus will be better than Mike). The thing that Peyton and Mike have going for them is that they're proven and there's simply no arguing that at all...it's fact. Kinda like Leinart being the better QB at USC. Until you've done something, all you are is potential.

Could Marcus be better than Mike? Sure...absolutely. But I don't think he will and it has nothing to do with the probability that he'll be a better pocket passer than Mike.
 
thefuture17 said:
Ya i know and i never said Vick wasnt a good QB and if you look at it this way i dont remember Marcus losing any games yet either.I know theres a difference between college and pros but Marcus hasnt got his shot in the pros yet so im just comparing them ike that and i think Marcus will be better because hes a pretty good pocket passer [no where near the arm of michael but way more accurate] actually Marcus gots a cannon for an arm to but anyways Michael only runs a little better then him which is why Marcus is gonna be better because Marcus could be a pocket passer who can scramble real well but thats only my opinion now because if they can get Michael to be a good pocket QB then the rest of the NFL is screwed
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I think Marcus has learned from Michael and that's why he doesn't run as much. He has the speed and the moves to be a great runner, yet he has seen his brother be sidelined for the season by running and missing a few games every season because he gets hurt all the time. Marcus still has a long way to go, but considering that he has only a handful of games of experience under his belt he looks pretty good. Beamer is also having Marcus run a pretty conservative offense because of his lack of experience. Next year we should see a much more impressive Marcus Vick because he will have that experience, another offseason of working with Michael, and a less conservative offense that will allow him to showcase his skills.
 
tulexan said:
I think Marcus has learned from Michael and that's why he doesn't run as much. He has the speed and the moves to be a great runner, yet he has seen his brother be sidelined for the season by running and missing a few games every season because he gets hurt all the time. Marcus still has a long way to go, but considering that he has only a handful of games of experience under his belt he looks pretty good. Beamer is also having Marcus run a pretty conservative offense because of his lack of experience. Next year we should see a much more impressive Marcus Vick because he will have that experience, another offseason of working with Michael, and a less conservative offense that will allow him to showcase his skills.
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I think Vick looked decent tonight from what i saw.He was running great and his passing wasnt that bad but he has to do better 3 interceptions is unacceptable but hey there still gonna win and he did throw for over 200 yard and run for over 100 yards and theres still over 6 minutes left.So overall i think he did pretty decent but those 3 picks cant happen again
 
yeah three picks and no passing touchdowns is not great, but a win is a win. i guess it is better to throw three picks and win then throw five touchdowns and lose. he has had some rushing game though. probably the best of the season for him. i didn't see the game, were they bad picks or were they good interceptions?
 
tulexan said:
yeah three picks and no passing touchdowns is not great, but a win is a win. i guess it is better to throw three picks and win then throw five touchdowns and lose. he has had some rushing game though. probably the best of the season for him. i didn't see the game, were they bad picks or were they good interceptions?
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2 of them where forced but one was a good pick and Vick just got done an interview and he said "im not doing this again my legs hurt" lol talking about running alot but he did great running.I cant wait till they play BC should be a great game and hopefully USC or TEXAS [which i love both of those teams but i like Virgina tech more] loses so we can see virginia tech in the rose bowl.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if VT wins out that they are in the Rose Bowl. They have a much tougher schedule left and they could leap over Texas regardless of what Texas does. Of course if there was a PLAYOFF none of this would be an issue. VT has to play BC, UVA, and Miami. If they sweep them, they deserve to be in the Rose Bowl. Of course you could make the same argument with UGA who has to play in the toughest conference and probably would deserve a Rose Bowl berth as well. I think VT or UGA could give USC a really tough game because of their lockdown athletic defenses.
 
Games like tonight won't help VT's cause. Unless they start looking a lot better, voters are going to start putting Georgia ahead of them in the polls. It might not change their overall position (if they continue to win, they won't drop), but they'll lose valuable points that will keep them from closing in on Texas.
 
UGA might be more deserving. I think they are having a hell of a year, yet are being overshadowed by the other undefeated teams because they don't have the star power that the other three have. But 3 out of the last 4 games for VT are against top 25 teams plus ACC championship which will probably be FSU while UGA has 2 out of 4 plus SEC championship which could be LSU, Auburn, or Alabama. Assuming VT, UGA, UT, and USC go undefeated (which is probably unlikely, yet could happen) they all deserve to be in the national championship game. I'm hoping they all are because that could finally be the blow that kills the BCS (i can dream right?). There would be absolutely no justification to say one of those teams is better than another. Purely based on schedules I would say that UGA and VT would be the most deserving to play for the title.

Should be an interesting few weeks ahead of us.
 
Vince young looked pretty good today and tha heisman pose he did might help his cause out for heisman.He did throw two picks in two consecative drives which was bad but one of them the croner made a nice play but the other he shouldnt have thrown into triple coverage.Other then those two plays i think he played real good even though he didnt put up his best stats but stats aremntt everthing.Can anyone tell how Reggie Bush and Matt Leinrte played
 
thefuture17 said:
it did for Desmond Howard so it might for Vince Young
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That doesn't even make sense. Desmond Howard had the talent to win the heisman when he did. If he never would have done the heisman pose, guess what? He would have still won it...
 
Fldvldog said:
That doesn't even make sense. Desmond Howard had the talent to win the heisman when he did. If he never would have done the heisman pose, guess what? He would have still won it...
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Ya but it helped him out and it might help Vince young out a little i dont think he'll win but it could help him
 
What about Brady Quinn noones even talking about him.He just threw fro 6 tds and for like 468 yards.I think he might have had the best weekend besides Mizzs QB who threw for over 200 yards and ran for another 200
 
thefuture17 said:
Ya but it helped him out and it might help Vince young out a little i dont think he'll win but it could help him
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"Striking the Heisman pose" does nothing towards helping you win the actual awared. It helps you look like a dumbass but other than that does nothing else.
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What about Brady Quinn noones even talking about him.He just threw fro 6 tds and for like 468 yards.I think he might have had the best weekend besides Mizzs QB who threw for over 200 yards and ran for another 200
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What about Cody Hodges? His stats dwarf those of any other QB in the country.

Reason why he's not being considered: Numbers don't tell the whole story.
 
Huge said:
"Striking the Heisman pose" does nothing towards helping you win the actual awared. It helps you look like a dumbass but other than that does nothing else.
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I beg to differ...It worked wonders for Kellen Winslow in his last year at Miami...
 
The Heisman pose is pathetic. Desmond Howard was one of my favorite college players, but it's a no class move to do that pose.

Who knows, maybe it was a tribute to Reggie Bush.
 
Marcus vick played exectiponly well on thursday threw for i think 280 and ran for 50 more.He impressed me by changing the plays making some great passes.I think if VT beats miami in a lobsided game then they could get a chance in the top 2
 
What impressed me about him is how much better he understands the game than his brother. There was one play where he recognized the generous cushion that a DB was giving his wideout and audibled his route to get the easy completion and first down. I'm really looking forward to the VaTech/Miami game next week. VaTech destroying Miami on national television would get some serious votes. It looked like they weren't even trying against BC and were just toying with them the entire time.
 
Whos gonna be in the National championship game Virgina tech vs Usc Texas vs Usc or Virgina tech vs Texas.I personally think that it will be Virgina tech vs Usc if Tech blows out Miami but if they dont it will be Texas vs Usc
 
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