Tonight's Russell Athletic Bowl - Bridgewater's last game?

[Doppelganger]

Man oh man, that was a loaded and I mean loaded draft. i know its early but there could be 4-5 future HOFers in the first 11 picks.

Yes, it was definitely a strong draft class. I did not even mention the following probowl players taken after Fairley:

14: Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
15. Mike Pouncey, C, Florida
16. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
24. Cameron Jordan, DE, California
35. Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
43. Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
70. Justin Houston, DE, Georgia
102. Jordan Cameron, TE, USC
129. Julius Thomas, TE Portland State
154. Richard Sherman, CB, Stanford

 

[stingray]

Yes, it was definitely a strong draft class. I did not even mention the following probowl players taken after Fairley:

14: Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
15. Mike Pouncey, C, Florida
16. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
24. Cameron Jordan, DE, California
35. Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
43. Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
70. Justin Houston, DE, Georgia
102. Jordan Cameron, TE, USC
129. Julius Thomas, TE Portland State
154. Richard Sherman, CB, Stanford

Robert quinn was the guy I wanted. Even though Quinn has dominated this year, Im still gladthey took JJ.

 

[steelbtexan]

Bridgewater - 19-26, 231 yards & 2 TD's in the first half. Impressive. For someone who said TB looked like Vince Young not a month ago, I'm liking him tonight.. Bridgewater looks to have better velocity and accuracy on his throws than I originally thought.

I didn't watch the game. (Took my wife out to dinner) Can each side give me a summary of how TB played tonight? Also how did my sleeper LB, Denzel Perryman look?

To be fair, (I'm certainly not a VY fanboy) but VY had the game of the decade in a NC game against better competition. Comparing VY and TB's careers is like apples/oranges.

TB will be a better pro than VY ever could've been. Smarter/better work ethic.

 

[thunderkyss]

We will see, but all the talking heads seem to have Matthews and Clowney as 1 and 2 best prospects.

Bridgewater is just the best QB.

After watching him today I can't see him going #1 overall. He's too small. Short (not #1 overall QB height) & lanky. He looks about the size of David Carr & while David proved to be tough enough, imo..... David also looked taller.

The kids talented, but he's got some issues too. Strong enough arm... I saw several bullets that he couldn't get his body into. Athletic, but not elusive. Made some throws he better not throw in the NFL. His receivers bailed him out plenty. Amazing catches, great YAC, turned a few short passes on 3rd down into firsts.

I'm not comfortable with his reading progressions.....

From the highlights I've watched & this game, I'm going on record as saying I'll pump his sunshine if we take him, but I'd rather we didn't.

I like Matthews, Clowney, & Barr better. I'd rather have Manziel, Hundley, Boyd, Mettenberger (I'd actually target Mettenberger) or Bortles.

 

[steelbtexan]

You do not have to draft in the first round for a good OL. If the Texans think QB is a high priority, you can kiss your 1st pick OL dream goodbye. There will be a significant decrease in QB talent if the Texans were to wait at the 33rd pick. Not so much in the trenches.

Debateable on the difference between 1-33 QB's in this yrs draft. Depending on a trade up or who falls scenerio.

 

[thunderkyss]

It always amazes me these so called trench guys. Baltimore won lst year because flacco played great,not because the o-line was dominant or d-line was dominant. The giants and packers won with run games in the late 20s and suspect pass pro. The colts won the division with shoddy o-line(can't run) and middle of pack d-line. The common denominator is theguy you can't hide,the qb.

Neither Flacco or Rogers were the 1st QB taken either.

I don't think Bridgewater is going to be the best QB in this class.

 

[Doppelganger]

After watching him today I can't see him going #1 overall. He's too small. Short (not #1 overall QB height) & lanky. He looks about the size of David Carr & while David proved to be tough enough, imo..... David also looked taller.

The kids talented, but he's got some issues too. Strong enough arm... I saw several bullets that he couldn't get his body into. Athletic, but not elusive. Made some throws he better not throw in the NFL. His receivers bailed him out plenty. Amazing catches, great YAC, turned a few short passes on 3rd down into firsts.

I'm not comfortable with his reading progressions.....

From the highlights I've watched & this game, I'm going on record as saying I'll pump his sunshine if we take him, but I'd rather we didn't.

I like Matthews, Clowney, & Barr better. I'd rather have Manziel, Hundley, Boyd, Mettenberger (I'd actually target Mettenberger) or Bortles.

I agree he is talented and has a couple of issues. However, from what I saw, I was impressed:

1. He was able to escape pressure and even shown decent wheels to scramble.

2. I thought his receivers actually hurt him a bit, as they have been all year. His receivers in general are pretty iffy and I saw several drops tonight that should have been catches.

3. You didn't care for his progressions, but I thought he did pretty well with them. On one of his touchdowns, he stared down the safety until the last second before looking the other way and firing a bullet to his receiver. Also, notice him at the LOS reading the defense and making adjustments. You RARELY see a college QB doing things like that. Most college QBs run whatever is called and don't have the luxury to make changes. The fact that he is at this point is his development tells me he is ready for the NFL and a more complicated Offense.

4. When the team was struggling, early in the game, I saw a man rally his team and get them hyped up. They looked to him and he kept them calm, cool, and collected. They trusted him as the leader and you could see they fully trusted him.

He reminded me a little of Aaron Rogers when he was playing today.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I agree he is talented and has a couple of issues. However, from what I saw, I was impressed:

1. He was able to escape pressure and even shown decent wheels to scramble.

2. I thought his receivers actually hurt him a bit, as they have been all year. His receivers in general are pretty iffy and I saw several drops tonight that should have been catches.

3. You didn't care for his progressions, but I thought he did pretty well with them. On one of his touchdowns, he stared down the safety until the last second before looking the other way and firing a bullet to his receiver. Also, notice him at the LOS reading the defense and making adjustments. You RARELY see a college QB doing things like that. Most college QBs run whatever is called and don't have the luxury to make changes. The fact that he is at this point is his development tells me he is ready for the NFL and a more complicated Offense.

4. When the team was struggling, early in the game, I saw a man rally his team and get them hyped up. They looked to him and he kept them calm, cool, and collected. They trusted him as the leader and you could see they fully trusted him.

He reminded me a little of Aaron Rogers when he was playing today.

Teddy is a classic WCO QB to me . He dominates the games from 25 yards in . He's fluid with his fakes and screen passes , plus he has quick feet . He doesn't look so good on his deeper throws but I think that's mechanics .

 

[TexansFTW]

Alright first off, just because I don't like TB at the #1 spot does not mean i have "outright disdain or hate" for the guy as you seem to think. IF we somehow traded back to the 3-5 spot then i would happily take him.

Anyone with any sort of football IQ knows football is won and lost in the trenches. We're 28th in the league in getting sacks on defense and we might as well not have a right tackle on the field because Newton doesn't do much when he's playing. Look what happened last time we drafted a QB from a small school before we built up the trenches. He sucked. Part of this could be on him but most of the blame lies on the O-line who never gave him time. The crappy O-line completely destroyed his development and confidence. Look at most of the top tier teams in the NFL and you'll see that most of them of top tier O or D lines. Then look at the bears, who arguably have the best Offensive skill positions yet a below average O and D line and you see why they have yet to clinch a playoff birth.

lol, keep telling me I don't have football IQ and I will tell you a little secret... Jay Cutler isn't that good.

Teddy F$$kin' Bridgewater!

Whats not to like?

I guess he's not a Right Tackle is the real problem. Right guys?

The Colts would have been much better last year if they just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.

Everyone knows football games are won and lost with your star Right Tackles.

Who should we put the franchise tag on this year? I guess the right tackle because we can't win or lose games without him.

It's funny how taking a QB #1 would be a panic pick but taking a RT #1 isn't.

Preach

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

lol, keep telling me I don't have football IQ and I will tell you a little secret... Jay Cutler isn't that good.



I guess he's not a Right Tackle is the real problem. Right guys?

The Colts would have been much better last year if they just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.

Everyone knows football games are won and lost with your star Right Tackles.

Who should we put the franchise tag on this year? I guess the right tackle because we can't win or lose games without him.

Yep ... McGown is the guy who got the bears rolling .

 

[steelbtexan]

lol, keep telling me I don't have football IQ and I will tell you a little secret... Jay Cutler isn't that good.



I guess he's not a Right Tackle is the real problem. Right guys?

The Colts would have been much better last year if they just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.

Everyone knows football games are won and lost with your star Right Tackles.

Who should we put the franchise tag on this year? I guess the right tackle because we can't win or lose games without him.

Good enough to get to a NFC championship game before he got hurt.

Injury prone, yes

Very good, yes

 

[TexansFTW]

Good enough to get to a NFC championship game before he got hurt.

Injury prone, yes

Very good, yes

Rex Grossman took that same team with the same head coach farther (Super Bowl) if you want to use how far the Bears' QB took them in the playoffs as your grading metric.

 

[thunderkyss]

The Colts would have been much better last year if they just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.

I bet the Titans, Jags, & Vikings wished they did in 2011.


Tyron Smith
Jj Watt
Nick Fairley
Mike Pouncey
Nate Solder
Cameron Jordan


All on the board.

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

Teddy Texan. I'm on board.

 

[leebigeztx]

Neither Flacco or Rogers were the 1st QB taken either.

I don't think Bridgewater is going to be the best QB in this class.

In 05, rodgers or smith was going 1st while the other was gonna fall a bit. Rodgers shouldn't have made it past titans at 6. Mcnair had back problems and was eventually traded because of the 50m balloon payment. I don't know of anyone who thought billy volek was the answer.

In terms of flacco, if he doesn't play at a all time great level in the playoffs,they don't win a superbowl. Their o-line was avg at best,but he just kept making plays. Game changing plays. That's normally what's needed to win a superbowl. Your qb needs to play top 5 like in the playoffs. That's why the chiefs,despite the talent accross the board is going nowhere. Every good qb they've faced,their so called top defense was exposed as frauds. You can have the 90s eagles front, if your qb isn't top shelf or have the physical talent to play top shelf,your team is going nowhere.

 

[TexansFTW]

I bet the Titans, Jags, & Vikings wished they did in 2011.


Tyron Smith
Jj Watt
Nick Fairley
Mike Pouncey
Nate Solder
Cameron Jordan


All on the board.

1. None of those guys were passed on for the #1 QB and arguably #1 overall prospect in their respective drafts

2. If you want me to give examples of failed drafts I can go look at the past 20 years of NFL drafts and do this with you as well.

 

[leebigeztx]

I bet the Titans, Jags, & Vikings wished they did in 2011.


Tyron Smith
Jj Watt
Nick Fairley
Mike Pouncey
Nate Solder
Cameron Jordan


All on the board.

Other than cam newton, I didn't have a qb with a 1st rd grade except mallett and he was 30th. Locker was terrible as a sr,gabbert was avg in a spread offense,and ponder was a rd rd talent physically. If mallett didn't have those maturity question marks prior to the draft,I thought he had 1st rd talent. When he was there in the 3rd,I was hoping the texans would've drafted him.

 

[thunderkyss]

In 05, rodgers or smith was going 1st while the other was gonna fall a bit. Rodgers shouldn't have made it past titans at 6. Mcnair had back problems and was eventually traded because of the 50m balloon payment. I don't know of anyone who thought billy volek was the answer.

In terms of flacco, if he doesn't play at a all time great level in the playoffs,they don't win a superbowl. Their o-line was avg at best,but he just kept making plays. Game changing plays. That's normally what's needed to win a superbowl. Your qb needs to play top 5 like in the playoffs. That's why the chiefs,despite the talent accross the board is going nowhere. Every good qb they've faced,their so called top defense was exposed as frauds. You can have the 90s eagles front, if your qb isn't top shelf or have the physical talent to play top shelf,your team is going nowhere.

None of those argue the point that neither were considered the best QB in their class. Meaning that just because Bridgewater is "considered" the best QB in this class (& I really question what "they" take into consideration) doesn't mean that he will prove to be.

Just because we need a QB & Bridgewater is considered the best, doesn't mean we should take him. I'd just as soon go with Clowney & target Mettenberger, Bortles, or Boyd later.

 

[thunderkyss]

1. None of those guys were passed on for the #1 QB and arguably #1 overall prospect in their respective drafts

2. If you want me to give examples of failed drafts I can go look at the past 20 years of NFL drafts and do this with you as well.

The point is that they would have been better off had they...

just took the best RT off the board and kept building up these "trenches" for this mysterious super hero they draft at QB in the 4th round.

It's not about failed drafts... the only way passing on Bridgewater would equate to a fail is if he goes on to win a Super Bowl with the team that does draft him. I don't think he's going to be much better if any than Cutler, Stafford, or Bradford.

I'd much rather get Clowney/Matthews. Clowney will make a big impact on defense playing opposite Jj Watt. Matthews will make a big impact blocking for Arian Foster. With those two (dominant defense & run game) our second round QB, Matt Flynn, Jay Cutler, even Josh Freeman (remember I'm projecting Bridgewater to be the next Bradford/Stafford) will look like a franchise QB.

FA starts before the draft. If I'm Rick Smith/our new coach, I'm coming out the gate looking for a starting QB. With a starting QB on our roster, I'm more comfortable with dropping in the draft & picking up more early round picks. Without a starting QB I don't want to drop past 6 or 7, which limits my ability to do what I need to do in this draft.... get 3 or 4 impact players.


Yeah... I understand a franchise QB would have the most impact, but I'm not sold on Bridgewater being that franchise QB anymore than I am on Cutler, Freeman, or even Flynn being that QB.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

The point is that they would have been better off had they...



It's not about failed drafts... the only way passing on Bridgewater would equate to a fail is if he goes on to win a Super Bowl with the team that does draft him. I don't think he's going to be much better if any than Cutler, Stafford, or Bradford.

I'd much rather get Clowney/Matthews. Clowney will make a big impact on defense playing opposite Jj Watt. Matthews will make a big impact blocking for Arian Foster. With those two (dominant defense & run game) our second round QB, Matt Flynn, Jay Cutler, even Josh Freeman (remember I'm projecting Bridgewater to be the next Bradford/Stafford) will look like a franchise QB.

FA starts before the draft. If I'm Rick Smith/our new coach, I'm coming out the gate looking for a starting QB. With a starting QB on our roster, I'm more comfortable with dropping in the draft & picking up more early round picks. Without a starting QB I don't want to drop past 6 or 7, which limits my ability to do what I need to do in this draft.... get 3 or 4 impact players.


Yeah... I understand a franchise QB would have the most impact, but I'm not sold on Bridgewater being that franchise QB anymore than I am on Cutler, Freeman, or even Flynn being that QB.

What's gonna be funny is Auburn's Greg Robinson declaring and passing Matthews up .

 

[thunderkyss]

What's gonna be funny is Auburn's Greg Robinson declaring and passing Matthews up .

I'm fine with that. I'd pick Robinson if he's better than Matthews & I can't trade down. FYI, I don't say Matthews because of the bloodline or where he went to school. Ourlads & a few others have him listed as the best player in this draft.

If the best OT in this draft was rated the 10th best player I wouldn't mention him at all.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I'm fine with that. I'd pick Robinson if he's better than Matthews & I can't trade down.

I think what's going to happen is Clowney will have the highest ceiling , Teddy will be the best QB prospect but O'Brien wants a pocket passer , and Matthews will drop a notch or two . A WCO could trade up for Teddy .

 

[IDEXAN]

So I didn't see any of the the first half, but saw the second half and I was definitely impressed with Teddy. Who said Teddy Texan, got a ring to it. He's got a real quick release with a strong arm and good accuracy short and mid range, though he seemed to be off target on his longer throws down field ?
Quick feet, athletic, I like him and was pleasantly surprised with what I saw in him last night in the second half. Not short and not tall, I'm thinking 'bout 6'1" and 190 to 200 pounds. But this process is just starting to scratch the surface now, lots of events remaining until the Draft which isn't until May this year.
Last year I remember watching the Senior Bowl workouts, and the one-on-one drills during the week before the game in Mobile, and an OT named Fischer I'd never heard of before from little Central Michigan was making a real strong impression on those watching. So anyway this Fischer guy ultimately ends up being #1 overall in the 2013 Draft, so like I said we are just getting started here.

 

[thunderkyss]

Who's coaching the Senior Bowl this year?

 

[steelbtexan]

I think what's going to happen is Clowney will have the highest ceiling , Teddy will be the best QB prospect but O'Brien wants a pocket passer , and Matthews will drop a notch or two . A WCO could trade up for Teddy .

So , would you rather have,

Bridgewater and say Cyril Richardson

or

Clowney/Matthew/Barr, (I dont want Matthews at 1-1), and say Mettenberger at 2-1 or a small trade up to say #25? Give me the latter. 2 great players are better than 1. I would rather take less risk at 1-25 and walk away with a possible generational talent like Clowney at 1-1.

This hopefully will come down to O'Brien's offense and what type of QB would be the best to run it. A WCO Bridgewater is the guy. A Norv Turner offense and Bortles/Mettenberger type QB would be the guy. I will admit I've only seen 2 games with Bortles and he led his team to comeback victories, but I was kinda meh on him as well.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Ugghh. Waking up to another Jake Matthews circle jerk is nauseating.

He looks like another Eric Fisher. He was one of the reasons why Johnny Football was getting his dick planted in the dirt so much this year. The T from Alabama is much better IMO. Again so lets just mosey All Pro Duane Brown over to the right huh? LOL crazy talk. You only start spending money on OL when you have your QB situation settled, which in case anyone hasnt noticed is far from the fact, its just these Case Keenum nut huggers still holding out hope, or these Nostradamus wanna be's who want to wait until the third round or sixth round because it worked for Seattle and N.E. Nonsensical gibberish.

Then Teddy B comes out and handles his damn buisness and what happens? He's still a 2nd round prospect and wont be the best QB in this class and, and, and, and .... reminds me of all the excuses "they" were making for Keenum.

Cutler is an overpaid chucker, anyone who thinks he's "real good" is sniffing glue. He's Matt Schaub, only his INTS come 20 yards further down the field, plus his attitude is horrible.

This team cant afford to pass up on the best QB prospect available just because some message board posters dont feel they should go that route. Funnier yet, most of you naysayers probably feel that the Texans go with Teddy B and are just throwing a tantrum. How many other QBs has Rick Smith went to go scout?

O'Brien working with Teddy B will turn this thing around much quicker than going the conservative route.

 

[Texian]

What's gonna be funny is Auburn's Greg Robinson declaring and passing Matthews up .

After watching Taylor Lewan last night I like him more than Matthews. And I agree, Greg Robinson could be the best OT in this draft.

 

[beerlover]

So , would you rather have,

Bridgewater and say Cyril Richardson

TB & CR please sir,

OR

Clowney/Matthew/Barr, (I dont want Matthews at 1-1), and say Mettenberger at 2-1 or a small trade up to say #25? Give me the latter. 2 great players are better than 1. I would rather take less risk at 1-25 and walk away with a possible generational talent like Clowney at 1-1.

This hopefully will come down to O'Brien's offense and what type of QB would be the best to run it. A WCO Bridgewater is the guy. A Norv Turner offense and Bortles/Mettenberger type QB would be the guy. I will admit I've only seen 2 games with Bortles and he led his team to comeback victories, but I was kinda meh on him as well.

Clowney had 10.5 tackles for loss & only 3 sacks for the season. hardley stuff of #1 overall talent, even top 10. What about Marcus Smith, 6030 253, Louisville he looked pretty damn good last night & for the season he leds the country with 14.5 sacks. doubt he lasts until 5-6th rd. where those silly draft guys have him graded out, not like he is Amobi Okoye wearing that same #91, lol

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

TB & CR please sir,



Clowney had 10.5 tackles for loss & only 3 sacks for the season. hardley stuff of #1 overall talent, even top 10. What about Marcus Smith, 6030 253, Louisville he looked pretty damn good last night & for the season he leds the country with 14.5 sacks. doubt he lasts until 5-6th rd. where those silly draft guys have him graded out, not like he is Amobi Okoye wearing that same #91, lol

I'd rather have Gabe Jackson than CR .

I don't even trust Clowney but think he'll do well at the combine . Which of course , depending on where you stand , helps the Texans .

If O'Brien is the guy , he'll take a tall athletic TE pretty high .

 

[steelbtexan]

TB & CR please sir,



Clowney had 10.5 tackles for loss & only 3 sacks for the season. hardley stuff of #1 overall talent, even top 10. What about Marcus Smith, 6030 253, Louisville he looked pretty damn good last night & for the season he leds the country with 14.5 sacks. doubt he lasts until 5-6th rd. where those silly draft guys have him graded out, not like he is Amobi Okoye wearing that same #91, lol

I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

The Texans 2002 draft in general stunk . They cut a 3rd round pick in camp and passed on many good players .

 

[JCTexan]

I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

We have been down this road twice. We took Carr the first time and Peppers (Mario Williams) the 2nd. Williams turned into one of the best D-linemen in the game and that didn't pan out any better for us than Carr did. I would rather have a franchise QB than an elite level DE.

 

[TexansFTW]

With those two (dominant defense & run game) our second round QB, Matt Flynn, Jay Cutler, even Josh Freeman (remember I'm projecting Bridgewater to be the next Bradford/Stafford) will look like a franchise QB.

FA starts before the draft. If I'm Rick Smith/our new coach, I'm coming out the gate looking for a starting QB. With a starting QB on our roster, I'm more comfortable with dropping in the draft & picking up more early round picks. Without a starting QB I don't want to drop past 6 or 7, which limits my ability to do what I need to do in this draft.... get 3 or 4 impact players.


Yeah... I understand a franchise QB would have the most impact, but I'm not sold on Bridgewater being that franchise QB anymore than I am on Cutler, Freeman, or even Flynn being that QB.

I get you, that makes sense. We start next season with Matt Flynn or Josh Freeman. Where can I buy my Super Bowl tickets?? Sign me up!

Ugghh. Waking up to another Jake Matthews circle jerk is nauseating.

Then Teddy B comes out and handles his damn buisness and what happens? He's still a 2nd round prospect and wont be the best QB in this class and, and, and, and .... reminds me of all the excuses "they" were making for Keenum.

I agree and repped everything you said. Well stated bro. Madness. Everyone in this message board seems to be obsessed with Cleveland Browns football, which is exactly what I constantly see described in thread after thread.

Talk to a few Browns fans, their football life is miserable.... but at least they control the trenches right?

 

[TexansFTW]

I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.

The 10% of the time he finds himself in a great situation, he plays great 80% of the time!

 

[Doppelganger]

I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

He will be double teamed at the nfl level by higher quality players. As good as Peppers was, how many championships did he bring to Carolina or Chicago? 0. A high quality QB can bring championships, a high quality DL cannot.

 

[bOODRO87]

Ugghh. Waking up to another Jake Matthews circle jerk is nauseating.

He looks like another Eric Fisher. He was one of the reasons why Johnny Football was getting his dick planted in the dirt so much this year. The T from Alabama is much better IMO. Again so lets just mosey All Pro Duane Brown over to the right huh? LOL crazy talk. You only start spending money on OL when you have your QB situation settled, which in case anyone hasnt noticed is far from the fact, its just these Case Keenum nut huggers still holding out hope, or these Nostradamus wanna be's who want to wait until the third round or sixth round because it worked for Seattle and N.E. Nonsensical gibberish.

Then Teddy B comes out and handles his damn buisness and what happens? He's still a 2nd round prospect and wont be the best QB in this class and, and, and, and .... reminds me of all the excuses "they" were making for Keenum.

Cutler is an overpaid chucker, anyone who thinks he's "real good" is sniffing glue. He's Matt Schaub, only his INTS come 20 yards further down the field, plus his attitude is horrible.

This team cant afford to pass up on the best QB prospect available just because some message board posters dont feel they should go that route. Funnier yet, most of you naysayers probably feel that the Texans go with Teddy B and are just throwing a tantrum. How many other QBs has Rick Smith went to go scout?

O'Brien working with Teddy B will turn this thing around much quicker than going the conservative route.

Bravo! I'd buy you a beer for this. Pay pal?

 

[leebigeztx]

I beilve we all know the reasons for this.

He is consistently double/triple teamed. Check out his Tennesee highlights. Clowney was dominant that game and had 0 sacks.

It just amazes me that MB posters want to repeat the Carr/Peppers thing all over again.

While you're looking at highlights take a look at Brett Smith and tell me what you think.

It amazes me you keep bringing up the same scenerio 12 yrs later when they're nowhere related. Just as you bring up that,I can bring up gallery and aaron curry. I can also bring up a lot of other uselesss scenerios that doesn't even apply to this team or situation.maybe you're like a scourned woman,but I can't do anything about that. As I posted earlier,you don't judge players against players a decade later or earlier. Just because there were a series of under or overacheiving players from a school doesn't mean you're suppose to lump those guys together.

This is 2014,not 2002 nor 2006. I'm not gonna compare clowney to williams or peppers because he's not them,he's clowney. Just as I'm not comparing matthews to his dad or jockel. When I see bridgewater and I've watched most of his games,I really like what I see. I'm not buying this next year the qb class is better. I've watched enough of mariotta,petty,and hundley to know that neither of those guys are even close mentally to bridgewater. Winston,whom I do like a lot, is a top notch prospect,but unless you're planning on another 2 or 3 win season,how you gonna get him.

To be fair, there are some qbs I like in the draft this year. I like bortles,boyd,and to acertain degree manziel. You can miss me on mettenburg who has been garbage until this year when he was at least avg looking. I liked murray pre injury. All that said, the texans can sit at 1and take the a top 5 prospect who happens to be a qb. Personally,I think he's top 3 prospect. Barr has a lot of work to do as a pass rusher because he can't bend which means he can't convert speed to power. Don't trust clowney because unlike peppers and williams,those guys where still very productive despite being a top rated prospect. Clowney quit on doubles, didn't even pursue on chip blocks. There were also quite a few games when he was singled and did nothing.

 

[thunderkyss]

This hopefully will come down to O'Brien's offense and what type of QB would be the best to run it. A WCO Bridgewater is the guy. A Norv Turner offense and Bortles/Mettenberger type QB would be the guy. I will admit I've only seen 2 games with Bortles and he led his team to comeback victories, but I was kinda meh on him as well.

Hopefully O'Brien can identify 2 or 3 QBs in this class that can be successful in his system & he and Rick put together a draft plan that will get us one of those guys along with other talented players who can help us out next season.

If you've got a franchise guy, he can make up for the lack of an elite running game, or an elite defense. But it's much easier to build an elite running game & an elite defense.

If Bridgewater was the physical prototype, was a 3/4 year starter at a major program, played well for said program, led his team to good success, & was a prolific passer, I'd gamble 1-1 on him. But he's not. I don't think he's worth the gamble.

& that's what I want to do, work towards building an elite run game & an elite defense. A good QB can look great at times. You give him an opportunity to become great (Brady didn't come into this league a great QB, neither did Flacco, neither did Luck).

Instead of passing on an elite talent like Clowney/Matthews/Barr & gamble with Bridgewater, I'd rather gamble on Boyd, or Mettenberger, or Bortles.

 

[JCTexan]

Hopefully O'Brien can identify 2 or 3 QBs in this class that can be successful in his system & he and Rick put together a draft plan that will get us one of those guys along with other talented players who can help us out next season.

If you've got a franchise guy, he can make up for the lack of an elite running game, or an elite defense. But it's much easier to build an elite running game & an elite defense.

If Bridgewater was the physical prototype, was a 3/4 year starter at a major program, played well for said program, led his team to good success, & was a prolific passer, I'd gamble 1-1 on him. But he's not. I don't think he's worth the gamble.

& that's what I want to do, work towards building an elite run game & an elite defense. A good QB can look great at times. You give him an opportunity to become great (Brady didn't come into this league a great QB, neither did Flacco, neither did Luck).

Instead of passing on an elite talent like Clowney/Matthews/Barr & gamble with Bridgewater, I'd rather gamble on Boyd, or Mettenberger, or Bortles.

He was all those things except the major program part, and he took that lesser program to the Sugar Bowl last year and beat Florida. His team went 11-1 this year and that one loss he had what should have been a game winning drive but Blake Bortles also drove his team for a game winner.

 

[thunderkyss]

I get you, that makes sense. We start next season with Matt Flynn or Josh Freeman. Where can I buy my Super Bowl tickets?? Sign me up!

We'd also have Boyd, Bortles, or Mettenberger (maybe McCarron) on the team.

 

[BigBull]

We'd also have Boyd, Bortles, or Mettenberger (maybe McCarron) on the team.

So the Texans qb position would suck just like it did this year. No thanks.


Sent from the future...

 

[BullNation4Life]

Meh, still not all that impressed with Bridgewater. He still is not worth the top pick in the draft...

 

[Blake]

Meh, still not all that impressed with Bridgewater. He still is not worth the top pick in the draft...

Care to expand upon your statement?