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No, the Jets were a 2.5 pt favorite
We all gots to deal with the crap in front of us. He's got to stop making bad situations worse. He is making bad decisions that hurt. Nobody fears blitzing him.
Until S2roud proves he's reading the defense right I'm not blaming the play caller.
Sounds like a QB thing to me.
Here we go again with this S2 crap. When Mills was out there messing up, you of all people defended him. Now that CJ is messing up, you’re being extra critical. Why?
I've only defended Mills when his lack of experience showed. He wasn't a 4 year starter in college & he wasn't drafted in the 1st round & I didn't want to draft him in the 1st place.
So CJ never made any freaking plays to help his team win and Levis whose team 3-9 is making plays to help his team win.
Off the top of my head i can't think of one game we won this year because of the QB. Defense & Mixon. That's why we win. We lose when they are off.
It's everybody else's fault but Stroud's. Remember when they were winning at the beginning of the year and I said Stroud wasn't playing well but did what great QBs do, making plays at the end of games to win games despite not playing well for most of the game?
Well, he did week before last, but he snapped the ball before his receivers were set.
Who in the heck said CJ doesn’t shoulder some blame in his performance as well as the offenses performance. Come on dude, darn near every one on here has said CJ isn’t playing up to what he did last season. And we all should know why. Didn’t we not witness what happened to Carr?
| 1st 2 seasons (starts) | TD/INT | YPG | Y/A | Passer Rating | |
| CJ Stroud | 28 | 38/14 | 258 | 7.8 | 94.9 |
| Josh Allen | 27 | 30/21 | 184.4 | 6.6 | 78.2 |
This isn't a case like Carr.
Yes it is, that offensive line has been playing that bad. Every week either one then is getting blown by, missing their blocking assignments or getting manhandled. All resulting in sacks.
Have there been plays to be made like oh, say the Lions game that were there for the taking.
You defend one guy to the death, but not the other... why?
Nah... I think you're missing my point all together. I'm not judging him, just stating facts.
Because I understand a player is only 28 starts into his career makes me defending to his death? Whatevs
This isn't an either or situation. What you say about the ol is true. But even with the ol being bad there's still been plays there to be made that Stroud isn't making that he made last year, even when he's been protected. That's not on Slowik or the ol.
Jesus…you just can’t resist. I Wouldn’t say he was protected adequately..I would just say it’s been reasonable enough for him to play better than he has. Can’t ask for perfect protection and pockets for every game..that’s not realistic.
Now we're going to the he doesn't have experience card.
Agree with this, although he's missed plays that Slowik has called that would've won games, like the Lions game.
It happens, we can't expect him to be perfect.
No, not saying he isn't making dumb decisions. But I will say Josh Allen has had a career of that so far. A lot of red zone picks. Mahomes makes bad decisions. All QBs make bad decisions.
True, but we can expect him to play well when the lights are their brightest, like he did last year.
And the Chiefs offensive line has gotten better over the years. I saw a stat that shows Mahomas is causing his own sacks at a high rate. He’s in the 24 percentile. While CJ is causing 11% of his sacks. That means our offensive line is causing the other 89%. That’s more than a murky pocket right there. That’s a freaking avalanche. What CJ needs to do is some how some way build his confidence back up. Slowik can help him out by utilizing the TE’s and RB’s more in the passing game. Unfortunately we have to go max protection because the boys up front just isn’t getting it done.
The plays he has missed were him largely under pressure. Last week & the play in Detroit, he was moved off his spot and/or guys bearing down on him to where he couldn’t follow thru on the throw.
Those are plays that should be made and plays he was making last year. He had plenty of time to make those throws even if he moved out of the pocket.
Agreed on most of this, but 89 % of the issues aren't on the ol.
Disagree. There’s a term for what you’re asking for here..hero ball. And he doesn’t need to do more of that. He’s made his share of those plays this year b/c he’s had to he’s just being asked to make more of them this year than he had to last year..mostly b/c defenses have adjusted but also b/c his o-line and play caller haven’t helped him much either.
The ol isn't as bad as most here think it is since Patterson took over at center. Although Scruggs penalties is still an issue.. Look at Mixon running the ball as an example of the OL not being terrible.
Steel you are not watching every game, so on the cool how would you know.
Maybe not 89% but they definitely aren’t helping him at times. If he’s having to look to escape the pocket too much b/c pressure is condensing the pocket a little too quickly. that usually leads to his eyes coming down focusing on the pass rush and thereby not down the field. So while he may escape, just moving him off his spot effects the timing of the play enough and thereby his ability to focus and anticipate windows coming open and/or just flat out missing them…it ultimately also effects his accuracy. This isn’t even talking about how escaping out to 1 side or the other effectively cancels out half of the field.
You’re reaching a little here. The o-line has gotten a little better but it’s been more b/c of the subtraction of Green than the addition of Patterson.
Mixon had bigger and more good games with Green at LG. Green couldn't block in pass pro but he was terrific as a run blocker. Scruggs is marginally better in pass pro but he can't run block worth a damn
How many penalties has Tunsil had this yr and I know this has been a bad yr for him when it comes to penalties? I believe a big part of his issues are 1. He didn't practice in the preseason due to coming off of knee surgery. 2. He played the 1st half of the season on a bad ankle. 3. He's played next to subpar LG's (Green/Scruggs.) He's been playing better lately. They've even been running the ball successfully on the left side.
Do you think a guy like Kittle makes that block?
I think a guy like Kevin Walter makes that block
Stroud was able to make these types of throws last season.
I watch the games.
