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BlueThunder said:
I'm expecting big things out of David Carr as early as this year


THE AFC SOUTH AND A CHAMPIONSHIP



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JOHNNY UNITAS AWARD QB
2 PRO BOWL WRs
A COUPLE 1000 YRD BACKS
AN IMPROVED OL
A STRONGER DEFENSE UP FRONT
A TOP LB CORPS WITH GREAT DEPTH
TEs TEs TEs TEs
A YEAR MORE EXPERENCE IN THE SECONDARY

I see no reason this team can't compete as a top 500 team
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Optimism .... I like it .... .500 would be nice but aiming high is a good thing ...... on a side note, all this VY talk set me to thinking about MONARCH .... I sincerely miss that guy ...
 
Yes we can sit here and pick scabs,complain about everything we don't have and how it hurts..OR We can rap it up with duct tape and go kick some azzzzz..

We didn't get VY because everyone wanted Carr 4 years ago.Were going to go do it with the QB we have and were going win..:redtowel:


11 AND 5 NO MERCY!

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BlueThunder said:
I'm expecting big things out of David Carr as early as this year


THE AFC SOUTH AND A CHAMPIONSHIP



,,,,,,,,:logo: :party: :trophy:

JOHNNY UNITAS AWARD QB
2 PRO BOWL WRs
A COUPLE 1000 YRD BACKS
AN IMPROVED OL
A STRONGER DEFENSE UP FRONT
A TOP LB CORPS WITH GREAT DEPTH
TEs TEs TEs TEs
A YEAR MORE EXPERENCE IN THE SECONDARY

I see no reason this team can't compete as a top 500 team
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I like it brother, I am totaly with you..............A see no reason why we cant have a great year next year...............We were not the worst team skill wise last year, not by a long shot.............But coaching I would give a 32 out of 32.

"Talky, Talky, Talky.... No more talky",
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We are going to be a very good team next year.
 
BlueThunder said:
We didn't get VY because everyone wanted Carr 4 years ago.
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I know many people that didn't want Carr (including myself, but I am a defense guy, that is my bias...) and many of those thought Julius Peppers was a great alternative. Similar to how we picked Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.

It took four years, but they finally got it right.

Besides, just because someone wanted Carr four years ago, doesn't mean they want him today.
 
BlueThunder said:
I keep herin about the draft and who this who that, why this why that,When this when that...You people need to quit looking for excuses..Davis Carr is our QB and hes going to be fine.You people may think this team made all the wrong moves but your getting ready to find out different.Palmers offense is notorius for buying time and most of his offenses are last in the league in sacks on the QB.I have a lot to say but i'm going to keep it short.

This team is not a loser and were all going back to where we came from.Were going to heal and were going to win.WRITE THAT DOWN!
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I don't believe this team is a winner by any stretch of the imagination and neither do the unbiased observers who follow the NFL. The over/under wins for the Texans is 5.5 in Vegas -- and the oddsmakers don't like to go much lower than this. As far as the draft goes, I was the biggest defender of drafting Mario Williams. However, the fact that all at once Kubiak is scrambling for RBs indicates to me that he isn't sure Davis will be able to carry the full load. Seems to me he should have been more certain of Davis's health before the draft. This makes the pick fair game. That being the case, it is clear that NO was going to take either Bush or Williams, whoever the Texans didn't choose. Seeing that Williams would have gone #2 overall if Bush went #1, you can't really criticize the choice of Williams.
 
Hulk75 said:
I am with the guy who started the thread, good stuff bro and I am with you, these guys have been through a lot (the guys who have been here from the start), they need the support of their fan base.

WIN and we will cheer, come on dont be like that, the first pre season game those guys need to here some encouragment, do not be hated fans.

Everything is going to be allright!
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It's easy to cheer when your team wins. Capers got the city to go crazy over a team that didn't have a winning season but had a lot of heart, guts, fire and a never-quit attitude, even during the bad times. The many false starts attributed to fan noise at Reliant is proof of his success. However, I honestly don't think Kubiak will be able to duplicate that. He has a lot more than Capers did when Dom started. He has Johnson, Davis, an experienced Carr, Robinson and others. Capers left him with something to work with -- something Capers himself didn't have. But I doubt that Kubiak will do much with it.
 
We are like the knicks right now. Until they get rid of isiah, they will never win. Likewise, until we rid ourselves of david carr, we will NEVER win. My glass is more than half empty.
 
swtbound07 said:
We are like the knicks right now. Until they get rid of isiah, they will never win. Likewise, until we rid ourselves of david carr, we will NEVER win. My glass is more than half empty.
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lol: lol: lol: lol: ...........Come on man my sides hurt.
 
infantrycak said:
This doesn't diminish your point that VY is more than a running QB at all, but IMO it is funny that they altered the accounting system this last year to include post-season play in the totals. VY didn't have either of the 3000/1000 until the post-season. He had 2769/850 in the regular season. The year before Reggie McNeal had a very similar 2791/718.
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...good point about Reggie!!...kinda wondering, thouigh, with Reggie even having better 40 numbers than Vince--why did every team in the NFL pass on Reggie not just once, but several times?? I mean--similar #'s to Vince and a pretty stellar career-- and no one wanted him as a QB!!! What's up with that?...just curious.
 
NATHANHALE said:
...good point about Reggie!!...kinda wondering, thouigh, with Reggie even having better 40 numbers than Vince--why did every team in the NFL pass on Reggie not just once, but several times?? I mean--similar #'s to Vince and a pretty stellar career-- and no one wanted him as a QB!!! What's up with that?...just curious.
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He lacks accuracy and arm strength ( or long ball accuracy ), nor was he that dangerous of a passing QB on the run ( compared to NFL QBs ).
 
TwinSisters said:
He lacks accuracy and arm strength ( or long ball accuracy ), nor was he that dangerous of a passing QB on the run ( compared to NFL QBs ).
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That and he didn't have the supporting cast that Vince had, line, WR, you name it. The A&M defense was horrible also.:hides:
 
TwinSisters said:
He lacks accuracy and arm strength ( or long ball accuracy ), nor was he that dangerous of a passing QB on the run ( compared to NFL QBs ).
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...exactly...so why 'knock' Young's record and even bring up Reggie at all?
 
HOU-TEX said:
That and he didn't have the supporting cast that Vince had, line, WR, you name it. The A&M defense was horrible also.:hides:
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Yeah but that stuff doesn't matter as much to scouts and NFL guys. Vince has the arm strength and can throw on the run with velocity and reasonable accuracy. The big nick on Young was that his release trajectory was a little low and might result in more knockdowns.

HOWEVER Bernie Kosar, Stabler...
 
NATHANHALE said:
...exactly...so why 'knock' Young's record and even bring up Reggie at all?
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Ugh... I have no idea??? I just saw something that I knew the answer to and hit the buzzer.

Sorry.

I wasn't paying attention. Won't happen again...



today.
 
NATHANHALE said:
...good point about Reggie!!...kinda wondering, thouigh, with Reggie even having better 40 numbers than Vince--why did every team in the NFL pass on Reggie not just once, but several times?? I mean--similar #'s to Vince and a pretty stellar career-- and no one wanted him as a QB!!! What's up with that?...just curious.
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Both went into last season with discussions of would they be NFL QB's or WR's depending on their seasons. VY improved tremendously--Reggie regressed.

The point of bringing up Reggie was not to suggest he was as good as VY but to point out the 3000/1000 thing was sort of an artificial stat made up for media hype and not quite as special a proof of how good a QB is as sometimes made out. That statement is not made to take anything away from VY--just one of the arguments made sometimes on his behalf.
 
infantrycak said:
Both went into last season with discussions of would they be NFL QB's or WR's depending on their seasons. VY improved tremendously--Reggie regressed.

The point of bringing up Reggie was not to suggest he was as good as VY but to point out the 3000/1000 thing was sort of an artificial stat made up for media hype and not quite as special a proof of how good a QB is as sometimes made out. That statement is not made to take anything away from VY--just one of the arguments made sometimes on his behalf.
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My problem here is that this is an 'ever changing' world that changes the face of stats all the time, so do we start putting asterisk by a stat today to compare it to a stat from 'yester year?' College football has gone from 10 games to 11 plus a year that totally affects any stat comparisons to other years. Of course, this is also true in pro sports, as well, so is it fair to just bring the difference up when its conveient? In the case of Reggie and Vince, though, Reggie also played in the same year that the rule was changed. Finally, don't recall it being mentioned on any post that Carr got his 'big' SR stats playing in 14 games...talk about an advantage!!
 
Reggie McNeil is a Micheal Vick clone and will mostlikely have an injury filled career.Vince Young will be more like McNabb and will kill us for years to come..If I was the DC I wouldn't be dropping my ankor any time soon..:shoot:
 
I think I will hold off on anointing VY any time soon. QB HAS to be the hardest position to properly grade in sports(next to MLB pitchers maybe) and some with all the "atheletic" ability in the world have been spectacular busts.
QB's are a lot like baseball pitchers and US Presidents. They get WAY too much credit when things are good and WAY to much criticism when things aren't so good. My glass is still half full as far as DC goes. I'm going to pull for him for the rest of his contract and see if Kubes can work some more of his magic. Well...I might not be on his band wagon in '08. Hafta see how it goes.
All that said, I absolutely cannot wait for TC to start. I think this is gonna be like the Oilers in the late 70's and early 90's(hopefully with better end results).
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TwinSisters said:
Yeah but that stuff doesn't matter as much to scouts and NFL guys. Vince has the arm strength and can throw on the run with velocity and reasonable accuracy. The big nick on Young was that his release trajectory was a little low and might result in more knockdowns.

HOWEVER Bernie Kosar, Stabler...
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Wasn't Carr considered to be a low trajectory passer? Especially being a sidearm passer.
 
There is a bright side to the VY story if there is one.That is that they usually develope sooner and start winning within the first year,but they have a shorter careers as there scrambling ability deminishes and they get slower.When that happens usually around year seven,then they start relying more on there other abilities which levels the table..:stooges:
 
BlueThunder said:
There is a bright side to the VY story if there is one.That is that they usually develope sooner and start winning within the first year,but they have a shorter careers as there scrambling ability deminishes and they get slower.When that happens usually around year seven,then they start relying more on there other abilities which levels the table..:stooges:
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What exactly do you mean by "they"?
 
They are QB's who can control a game with the feet.

I didn't say don't draft,he did!I didn't say don't draft him,I said Mario was good.He sieze he didn't say it?Well I told you to get the best best player?Well I ask Curly who?You didn't ask me who you said which player do you think?He said I didn't ask which player but who?I told you who was the best player,not who larry thought!Well,I didn't know so I asked Larry!Don't blame me because Moe said he was doing it.He said don't blame him cause you said you would do it.Hey,why you hitting me?Because I told you to get the best player!Well,I asked Larry''stop'!We have to come with a plan now cause we messed up,what do you think?Larry?How we going to get Moe out of this pick?Lets just make a run for it' :stooges:
 
BlueThunder said:
There is a bright side to the VY story if there is one.That is that they usually develope sooner and start winning within the first year,but they have a shorter careers as there scrambling ability deminishes and they get slower.When that happens usually around year seven,then they start relying more on there other abilities which levels the table..:stooges:
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.........if they are still able to walk without help.:crutch:
 
Were not going to sit here and let stuff like this get us down when we have bigger mistakes these guys are making right now we can talk about.It's he77 being 1 and 15 with an offseason:whip:



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BlueThunder said:
Were not going to sit here and let stuff like this get us down when we have bigger mistakes these guys are making right now we can talk about.It's he77 being 1 and 15 with an offseason:whip:



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It could be worse...wait...no it couldn't :) The only reason it's so horrible though is because our team is so greatly improved that we are anxious to see how they can do. So atleast we've got something to look forward too.
 
It's going to be hard to do worse then 1 and 15!I think we could make every wrong move a team can make in the off season and still finish 6 and 10..:shoot:

I'm going to rank this team to where I think we should be,,,,just looking at the team....
 
BlueThunder said:
Reggie McNeil is a Micheal Vick clone and will mostlikely have an injury filled career.Vince Young will be more like McNabb and will kill us for years to come..If I was the DC I wouldn't be dropping my ankor any time soon..:shoot:
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OH GOD Vince Young will be like McNabb.....if I were DC I would be dropping my clipboard from laughing at an obviously overrwrought person who think G-d made Vince Young a QB...ROFLMAO

Vince Young like Michael Vick will have flashes, but behind that Titans OL he will be running....FOR HIS:chicken: LIFE!!!!
 
Heres the ranking i'm giving this team against the league...

QB #12 even
WR #11 upgraded
RB #25 even (injury is always a concern at TB)
TE #13 upgraded
OL #14 upgraded improving

Offensive Ranking #13 improved

DL #7 even improving
LBers #8 even
S #16 even improving
CB #18 even improving

Defensive Ranking #10 improved

Special Teams #11 downgraded

Overall Team Ranking #13 After offseason changes

This is just where I think this team is at right now as far as talent,,and I think we will reach these ranking with the new systems.....We have a long way to go but its reachable with this team..
 
BlueThunder said:
Heres the ranking i'm giving this team against the league...

QB #12 even
WR #11 upgraded
RB #25 even (injury is always a concern at TB)
TE #13 upgraded
OL #14 upgraded improving

Offensive Ranking #13 improved

DL #7 even improving
LBers #8 even
S #16 even improving
CB #18 even improving

Defensive Ranking #10 improved

Special Teams #11 downgraded

Overall Team Ranking #13 After offseason changes

This is just where I think this team is at right now as far as talent,,and I think we will reach these ranking with the new systems.....We have a long way to go but its reachable with this team..
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What are all of these numbers supposed to represent?
 
Those numbers are where I rank our players to other talent in the league.I rank our WRs number 11 as 10 other teams have a better corp.

The over all ranking is where I think the team should fall compaired to other teams by each area being ranked.

In other words a team can have a ranking of number 13 with corps like this.


DL #1
LB #3
S #2
CB #25

The Team that has better units across the board will have a more accurate rating.Very few teams have top ten in every catorgy on there team.

In even more words the Texans have a playoff team,it may be boarder line but a team ranked 13 fall into a wildcard spot..

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Being a new Fan I really don't have any favorite players so some mite feel different about the ranks then me and think it should be higher.This is where i'm putting this team as looking in from the outside.The QB ranking should be lower but depth is unproven and Carr hasn't been put in a position to be ranked any lower..The DL really hasn't been upgraded but changing system puts the players we have in a better position to take on less double teams,so the ranking dropped automaticly.Mario is going to be a good player but Gary Walker was reliesed.He wasn't needed in the 43 because of his age and the value he would bring if retrained.The offense got better ranking because of the strong balance.Not only that but if our backfield gets healthy it could drop as low as 15
 
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