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Time to clean house?

Is it time to fire Bill O'Brien?


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badboy

Hall of Fame
By the way, I love Romeo Crennell and don't think the game's passed him by. He's 70, but so is Wade Phillips, and Wade just coordinated a very successful and difficult 2019 season for the Rams.
Did not Phillips just get fired?
 

txtx

Waterboy
And he gave nick Martin $11 a year and Whitney mercilus $14.1 a year for being high character guys. That makes me want to absolutely vomit knowing he’s leading us into the offseason
He also re-signed player-coach Jonathan Joseph, despite a need for speed, and he became an injury liability this season.
 

txtx

Waterboy
Did not Phillips just get fired?
Yes, they did not renew his contract despite, I believe, this LA defense having the least points allowed in the 3 years. And they had injuries and lost Talib and had to incorporate Jalen Ramsey in the middle of the season. I'm sure it was a money thing like Elway in Denver. He and Von Miller won the Super Bowl for Kubiak and broken-down Manning, but Elway then didn't want to pay him. Then he got LA to the Super Bowl before the offense lost it, now LA doesn't want to pay him.

Now there are rumors/gossip he may go to Detroit (I doubt that with Patricia there), Arizona or maybe back to Denver.

"The Rams' playoff berth that season marked the continuation of an impressive streak in Phillips' career. Since 1989, every team he has joined -- the Rams, the 2015 Broncos, 2011 Houston Texans, 2007 Cowboys, 2004 San Diego Chargers, 2002 Atlanta Falcons, 1995 Buffalo Bills and 1989 Broncos -- made the playoffs in his first season there."--ESPN
 
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txtx

Waterboy
Bill's mom: "now, honey, you tried real hard, but it's time to come back up north. And don't tell me this is 'relative to' anything but losing big games. Other Bill & Screaming Tommy may retire soon, so maybe you can elbow Joshy out of the way and grab the leftovers."
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Bill's mom: "now, honey, you tried real hard, but it's time to come back up north. And don't tell me this is 'relative to' anything but losing big games. Other Bill & Screaming Tommy may retire soon, so maybe you can elbow Joshy out of the way and grab the leftovers."
Joshy duck that elbow and come on down to Houston
 

txtx

Waterboy
Can we trade O'Brien for McDaniels? Swap OCs? McDaniels would get a fresh new QB who doesn't get colicky when things don't go his way.
 

txtx

Waterboy
Bob and Cal brought on this collapse. The O'Brien playoff history predicted it. They suck as owners. O'Brien's trick play momentum-killer specials are bad decisions, but the owners enabling his use the franchise as his playpen are worse decisions.
 

txtx

Waterboy
Hiring Vrabel away was a positive for Tenn and negative for Texans at the same time. Maybe we can hurt KC and help ourselves at the same time by hiring away Bieniemy.
 
Yesterday was our ceiling and we went all in on this team this season. This is the best they can do another blowout playoff loss. That's 4, they fell apart when it mattered most. What more do people need? A 5th embarrassing playoff loss? A 6th?
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
you have to purge something from the loss yesterday. who and when remains to be seen.
 

toronto

Hall of Fame
I look at it this way - you cannot have BOB remain as both GM and HC, and seeing as how the GM version of BOB would likely hire a mistake as his new coach, he needs to go period. He's had his chance, time for someone that can take your QB and make him better, which makes the team a possible SB contender.
 

JamTex

Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
I voted yes. With a few exceptions. The strength and conditioning coaches, trainers, doctors, physical therapists and dietitians get a pass as most of the team was in relatively good health most of the season.
There are 4 coaches that I would keep that are not included in those that have to deal with the health of the team.
First, the Special Teams coordinator Brad Seely. He did a great job with Special Teams the last 2 years and actually made the Special Teams groups a strength. He's a great addition to the coaching staff (pretty much the only one). He should definitely stay. He can keep Tracy Smith as his assistant since they did such a great job together.
Second, the Quarterbacks coach, Carl Smith. His influence on Deshaun Watson was noticeable very quickly. Actually, I believe he would better serve as the Offensive Coordinator. He's a very smart, good coach that can taper the offense to his players and play to his unit's strengths. Something those over him have no idea how to do. He should be hired and allowed to stay.
Third, Defensive Line coach Anthony Weaver. The defensive line is the strength of the defense. Even without JJ it was still good. Weaver is good at coaching great technique and discipline. He is a keeper looking at how well the defensive line has played since he has been here over the last 3 years.
Forth, Running backs coach, Danny Barrett. In his 2 years here, he has done a great job with the talent he has had. Miller and Hyde both ran for over 1000 yards in the last 2 seasons under him. He took average running backs and made them both above average. He is one to keep on staff considering how bad the offensive line play has been since he has been here and yet the running backs are still able to produce under his guidance.
All others should be fired immediately.
Starting with the Head Coach Bill O'Brien. He has never gotten the position. He still can't manage time outs, situations, when to be aggressive and when to lay off a bit. He just doesn't get it and he won't let anyone else handle those very important responsibilities because he "doesn't trust" them to do it. He will never be better then a 9-7 or 10-5 coach with the potential to throw a 4-12 season in there. Most importantly, he'll never take this team past the Divisional round of the playoffs no matter who he has throwing the ball. He has got to go!
Second, the Defensive Coordinator, Romeo Crennel. He was a great coach in his time, however, the game has far passed him by. With the changes every year in the game with how quarterbacks are running teams now, Romeo just can't catch up to the mobile quarterback and how to stop him. Another hole in his defense is the tight end position. He just can't defend against a good tight end or even a good short passing game for that matter. His secondaries are always soft and playing off the receivers. He refuses to play an aggressive defense because he seems to be afraid to give up the big play, and yet that's exactly what happens. His defense always gives up the big play. It's definitely time for him to retire.
Third, the Offensive Coordinator, Tim Kelly. Well, actually, he's no offensive coordinator. He is simply a Bill O'Brien lackey. He has no business coaching, much less being a coordinator. He wasn't good as the Tight Ends coach and he's no good as Offensive Coordinator. Time for him to exit.
Forth, the Secondary coach, Anthony Midget. Does this really need to be explained? Even with some really good talent, he can't teach the secondary how to be disciplined and stay in their lanes and how to properly blanket their guy. They couldn't stop any passing attack, no matter how anemic, all year. They made rookie receivers and average guys look like all pros. He definitely needs to go.
Fifth, the Offensive Line coach, Mike Devlin. He's just possibly the worst coach on the staff. Even with Tunsil and 2 studs from the draft, He couldn't get it done. The offensive line was just as bad as it was last year. In 6 years since he's been here, the offensive line play has gotten progressively worse year to year. I said it before that he could take the best Pro-bowl All Pro linemen and turn them into hot garbage. That's exactly what he did with Laremy Tunsil. The guy was a phenom in Miami. He comes here and he's the most penalized lineman in the NFL. That's ridiculous. Here's why. Devlin doesn't know how to coach. He can't teach discipline, technique, foot work, hand play, leverage or any other aspect of blocking. Watson has to run for his life constantly. He's the most sacked quarterback in the league. That has got to stop. Devlin should be picked up by the rough of his neck and the seat of his pants and thrown as far away from the football world as is super-humanly possible. He should never be allowed to coach again. He's one that must be gone.
Finally, all the rest of the position coaches on both sides of the ball. They should all go because each position has major flaws that come down to poor coaching. It's mostly from the head coach, but it has filtered down into the rest of the coaching staff and other then the few mentioned above, they should all go.
That's my thought. Not that it matters because Cal has to pull the trigger in firing everyone. We all know that's not going to happen though, so get ready for another fruitless season.

GO TEXANS!!!
 
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deucetx

Rookie
Is Bienemy calling plays or is he just Reid's hey boy?
Last I read Reid is making the play-calls but Bienemy assists with the game planning. Seems to be heavily involved with the offense and Mahomes but Reid still making the calls.

As for BoB since this is more about do we think he should be fired more than if he will...I say yes. Like I said elsewhere, I don't think BoB is a bad coach but he is very mediocre. The more crippling thing is he's mediocre at the side of the ball that was meant to be his specialty regarding offense. He just is not adapt at utilizing the type of quarterback Watson is on a consistent level. When he does make the adjustment and takes advantage of Watson's skillset he turns around and reverts right back to the same predictable formula. He seems deadest on running a system his way and not tailoring it to the talent on his roster. This includes Duke Johnson. One game we see Duke used in the slot, split wide, put into open space. The next? He's used seldom and sent on runs up the gut.

Really comes down to how long does being mediocre satisfy? When will this team/organization finally want something more? I already know the fans want it. We love football down here but get no returns from it. The organization is the 4th most profitable in the league so maybe that satisfies the owners so mediocre and AFC South banners makes them happy. I'm tired of not only being bounced from the playoffs but it being done so in a way that leaves me shaking my head because the game really isn't close. The time for settling should be over by this point in this organizations history. You want more then you need more than mediocre coaching.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
I voted yes. With a few exceptions. The strength and conditioning coaches, trainers, doctors, physical therapists and dietitians get a pass as most of the team was in relatively good health most of the season.
There are 4 coaches that I would keep that are not included in those that have to deal with the health of the team.
First, the Special Teams coordinator Brad Seely. He did a great job with Special Teams the last 2 years and actually made the Special Teams groups a strength. He's a great addition to the coaching staff (pretty much the only one). He should definitely stay. He can keep Tracy Smith as his assistant since they did such a great job together.
Second, the Quarterbacks coach, Carl Smith. His influence on Deshaun Watson was noticeable very quickly. Actually, I believe he would better serve as the Offensive Coordinator. He's a very smart, good coach that can taper the offense to his players and play to his unit's strengths. Something those over him have no idea how to do. He should be hired and allowed to stay.
Third, Defensive Line coach Anthony Weaver. The defensive line is the strength of the defense. Even without JJ it was still good. Weaver is good at coaching great technique and discipline. He is a keeper looking at how well the defensive line has played since he has been here over the last 3 years.
Forth, Running backs coach, Danny Barrett. In his 2 years here, he has done a great job with the talent he has had. Miller and Hyde both ran for over 1000 yards in the last 2 seasons under him. He took average running backs and made them both above average. He is one to keep on staff considering how bad the offensive line play has been since he has been here and yet the running backs are still able to produce under his guidance.
All others should be fired immediately.
Starting with the Head Coach Bill O'Brien. He has never gotten the position. He still can't manage time outs, situations, when to be aggressive and when to lay off a bit. He just doesn't get it and he won't let anyone else handle those very important responsibilities because he "doesn't trust" them to do it. He will never be better the a 9-7 or 10-5 coach with the potential to throw a 4-12 season in there. Most importantly, he'll never take this team past the Divisional round of the playoffs no matter who he has throwing the ball. He has got to go!
Second, the Defensive Coordinator, Romeo Crennel. He was a great coach in his time, however, the game has far passed him by. With the changes every year in the game with how quarterbacks are running teams now, Romeo just can't catch up to the mobile quarterback and how to stop him. Another hole in his defense is the tight end position. He just can't defend against a good tight end or even a good short passing game for that matter. His secondaries are always soft and playing off the receivers. He refuses to play an aggressive defense because he seems to be afraid to give up the big play, and yet that's exactly what happens. His defense always gives up the big play. It's definitely time for him to retire.
Third, the Offensive Coordinator, Tim Kelly. Well, actually, he's no offensive coordinator. He is simply a Bill O'Brien lacky. He has no business coaching, much less being a coordinator. He wasn't good as the Tight Ends coach and he's no good as Offensive Coordinator. Time for him to exit.
Forth, the Secondary coach, Anthony Midget. Does this really need to be explained? Even with some really good talent, he can't teach the secondary how to be disciplined and stay in their lanes and how to properly blanket their guy. They couldn't stop any passing attack, no matter how anemic, all year. They made rookie recievers and average guys look like all pros. He definitely needs to go.
Fifth, the Offensive Line coach, Mike Devlin. He's just possibly the worst coach on the staff. Even with Tunsil and 2 studs from the draft, He couldn't get it done. The offensive line was just as bad as it was last year. In 6 years since he's been here, the offensive line play has gotten progressively worse year to year. I said it before that he could take the best Pro-bowl All Pro linemen and turn them into hot garbage. That's exactly what he did with Laremy Tunsil. The guy was a phenom in Miami. He comes here and he's the most penalized lineman in the NFL. That's ridiculous. Here's why. Devlin doesn't know how to coach. He can't teach discipline, technique, foot work, hand play, leverage or any other aspect of blocking. Watson has to run for his life constantly. He's the most sacked quarterback in the league. That has got to stop. Devlin should be picked up by the rough of his neck and the seat of his pants and thrown as far away from the football world as is super-humanly possible. He should never be allowed to coach again. He's one that must be gone.
Finally, all the rest of the position coaches on both sides of the ball. They should all go because each position has major flaws that come down to poor coaching. It's mostly from the head coach, but it has filtered down into the rest of the coaching staff and other then the few mentioned above, they should all go.
That's my thought. Not that it matters because Cal has to pull the trigger in firing everyone. We all know that's not going to happen though, so get ready for another fruitless season.

GO TEXANS!!!

Agreed with this 100% but if we fire both OB and RAC, those guys are gone too. The new GM will hire whoever the next HC wants. IMO
 

Scooter

Funky
Ah, Josh Daniels. I do love me those Patriots failures. Boomerang failures especially. Egotistical "we're taking Tim Tebow because remember that time I was an awesome coach under Belichick" guys are my SUPER favorites. Nothing like a Patriots' offensive coordinator/head coach/gm that is smarter than everyone else ... I wonder what that's like. The most successful Patriots' underling to this point is Bill O'Brien - ouch. The amount of gift wrapping it takes from predecessors to have O'Dumbass be successful is absurd, but some want someone lesser than him (and a nobody scout with a quick GM title) to take over. The worst part about the whoopin we just received? We gave up 7 straight touchdowns, and Romeo is still probably our best coach - much as I am a fan, the game has very much passed him by.

It was never time to hire O'Brien, and firing should've happened long ago. Sadly he's ingrained himself into the team, not as someone useful, but as someone burrowed in like a tic ... and we all know Cal doesn't have the stomach to dig him out.
 

JamTex

Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
Agreed with this 100% but if we fire both OB and RAC, those guys are gone too. The new GM will hire whoever the next HC wants. IMO
That's ok just as long as the rest are thrown out. But you never know, after interviewing some, the new coach may decide to keep some of the best coaches on his staff. They do it all the time as well as bringing in their own staff.
 

Dutchrudder

King of the Potato People
Also, I want to point out that BOB is not a bad head coach. People are going overboard with the hate because of the results here (and the last few years), but really, he does a good job of keeping the team in games against bad teams and average competition. He can't get over the hump of the elite teams and will only be an above average coach/team at best. I think he is already at his ceiling, which is why I don't want to keep him.

Being slightly above average is not the worst thing in the world, it's what Kubiak did for years in Houston and gave people hope, it's basically what Jeff Fisher was for his career, but it's not going to get you a ring. I'm sure if BOB is back next year, we win 9-10 games, go to the playoffs and get beat by a better coached team. Maybe that's all ownership needs to be happy, but as fans, we know that's not the goal. I'd rather see them hire a new GM and coaching staff, and rework the talent we have here by changing the playbook and scheme, but I doubt that will happen because they could just as easily hire someone worse than BOB.

Honestly, the worst thing about this KC loss is that they basically gave us 2 Touchdowns, which makes the score look not so bad. 51-17 looks a lot worse than 51-31. People may forget that KC screwed up on those and gloss over the real disparity between these two teams.
 

santo

All Pro
Contributor's Club
Also, I want to point out that BOB is not a bad head coach. People are going overboard with the hate because of the results here (and the last few years), but really, he does a good job of keeping the team in games against bad teams and average competition. He can't get over the hump of the elite teams and will only be an above average coach/team at best. I think he is already at his ceiling, which is why I don't want to keep him.

Being slightly above average is not the worst thing in the world, it's what Kubiak did for years in Houston and gave people hope, it's basically what Jeff Fisher was for his career, but it's not going to get you a ring. I'm sure if BOB is back next year, we win 9-10 games, go to the playoffs and get beat by a better coached team. Maybe that's all ownership needs to be happy, but as fans, we know that's not the goal. I'd rather see them hire a new GM and coaching staff, and rework the talent we have here by changing the playbook and scheme, but I doubt that will happen because they could just as easily hire someone worse than BOB.

Honestly, the worst thing about this KC loss is that they basically gave us 2 Touchdowns, which makes the score look not so bad. 51-17 looks a lot worse than 51-31. People may forget that KC screwed up on those and gloss over the real disparity between these two teams.
You know who else isn't a bad coach, but similar to what you described? Marvin Lewis.

I'm ready to move on to someone else.
 

usernameJJ

Waterboy
Not that you all need it, but here's confirmation from an outside source more objective than my emotional fan self that O'Brien's self-destructive decision making was the spark for the Kansas City Chiefs...

My main argument against this article is this: Assume we go for it on 4th down and score a TD on that drive. Also, assume we punt the ball on that 4th down. So what? We just scored 4 more points. We lost by 20. Don't get me wrong, I want BOB gone as much as anyone but this game was not on him in my opinion. Players have to execute! (And maybe that is on the HC)
 

Scooter

Funky
My main argument against this article is this: Assume we go for it on 4th down and score a TD on that drive. Also, assume we punt the ball on that 4th down. So what? We just scored 4 more points. We lost by 20. Don't get me wrong, I want BOB gone as much as anyone but this game was not on him in my opinion. Players have to execute! (And maybe that is on the HC)
The difference is momentum and reality. The difference is you make a high powered offense that is currently shooting themselves in the foot work for everything. Make them earn every yard, make them try too hard, make them bring the game to you. The Titans just took out the best two teams, did they give either team an option? No, they won an advantage and played playoff football - kill the opponent as ugly as possible. If you dictate the pace and points, they don't get the +20, they're more focused on fieldgoals to catch up.
 

Seegara

Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
What if Mister McNair has already decided to fire Billy and is waiting to make the announcement because the man he visualizes as the next HC is still involved in the playoffs?
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
The KC's OC?

:kingkong:
This guy's name has become popular with the media, but what has he ever done other than with KC where he is under Andy Reid and has one of the best cast full of talent we've ever seen? I had never even heard of this guy until a few weeks ago. I'm not sure who I would go get other than Harbaugh, but I'd get somebody.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
What if Mister McNair has already decided to fire Billy and is waiting to make the announcement because the man he visualizes as the next HC is still involved in the playoffs?
Maybe he doesn't want to take the Thunder from the Astros. They just laid down some serious business .
 
Do you know how extremely hard that is for a football state. We live, eat and toilet drop football in this city and state. We spend millions on high school stadiums. And you’re suggesting us to completely stop supporting. Especially after the way we lost the Oilers back in the days.
Come on man!!!!


Not happening!!!
And that is the key right there, this city lost one team and they are scared to lose another because it is a football state and city and to many hate the cowgirls for them to be the only Texas team.

It’s the same reason Browns fans keep going, they’ve got the damn football HoF right down the road but they still lost their team once and that’s not going to happen again.
 

ROO

Tweak the offense already!
The Texans should change their name to the Houston Tootsie Pops.

Fans: "Mr Cal, how many embarrassing playoff losses does it take to get rid of the chin?"

Mr Cal: "Lets find out... "
LOL!!! That is seriously good right there. Did you make that up or see it somewhere?

:texanbill:
 

whodknee

Working Class Hero
Coaches have a shelf life. As Solomon said Bob is not happy here. He and Johnny want to be in New England.
 


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