Reddevil63
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Your going to be disappointed when Carr's option is picked uplod01 said:
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Time for the Carr lovers to defend their boy
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beerlover
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bigTEXan8 said:
if the Texans selected Leinart I doubt they would make the same mistake as they did with Carr. Carr would still be the starter until some semblence of an offensive line and effective offensive scheme. then after a year or two Matt would be ready to become the franchise QB & Carr would be the back-up. if the Texans choose this route I would support it, just understand the 5 year plan just became the 7 year plan.
ArlingtonTexan said:
bigTEXan8 said:
Have you ever had a job where the "manager" is consider the leader, but the actual employees don't have the same respect for him that the title implies?
Basically, Carr was annoited the leader becuase he was drafted as the number 1 pick QB. By title he is a team leader. The players don't view him as the leader of the team because draft position, a QB has to earn that (see Joey Harrington). IMO, the players around Carr don't react to him as their leader.
Yes, teammates trusting in your ability to make plays or not screw up matters is regards to being a leader.
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Big 8 , Matt L . has two NCAA championships and a Heisman award . I doubt he'll be on the ground crying . To cut him down to elevate Carr's is a pretty silly argument since Carr has none of the above ... I know BLAH BLAH BUSH BLAH BLAH USC BLAH BLAH CARROLL.
bigTEXan8 said:
If you were a manager, I think you would understand that effort and showing ability, but still not getting the job done gets people fired also. I have seen that in the real world.
The point which is that because someone claims that you leader does not mean that you really are to the people you are leading. That's real also.
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He is smart and he can audible he makes great throws with touch and he wins NCAA titles . I would not take Matt L in this draft but if he and Carr came out the same year it would be a no brainer that I would take the Trojan .Don't confuse Carr 's approach . I still think he's got some Eddy Haskell in him . His game and his teammates don't reflect that he's this warrior you make him to be .
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I'm the new GM for the Texans ... Bigtex8 is with the Jets and Hulk is with the Cardinals , what would you trade me for Carr before the draft ?
Vinny
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I comment about the players while you continue to comment about the posters here. This forum is set up to talk about our individual opinions in regard to football. You need to keep it to that pards. An occasional comment questioning another poster is fine...but this ongoing hatefest towards guys wanting to talk football from the Carr-only fans has got to stop.bigTEXan8 said:
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C'mon Vinny lighten up, that was just cross reference by him displaying your take on Carr and the background of your comments. Sheesh, this board is becoming a little too gestapo.
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If you have a choice between Carr , Drew Brees or Phillip Rivers who goes first ?Kiper said if Bree's was in the 2002 draft he would have been the first player taken .
If I could trade Carr to the Cards or Jets I'd then try to get Drew Bree's after I drafted a Lt .
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Its all make believe so you can rewind or fastforward or both .
Coach C.
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Well I am back from a long road trip just to see the board is filled with misconceptions and more bad posts. Vinny you are right that Carr would flourish in a system like Peyton's. Carr does not have the ability to call audibles, because of the coaching staff. He also has less than 3 seconds to get a pass off. In case you guys who have not played football it takes 1.5 just to drop back. That means he can go to one prime receiver and a check off and then he has to get rid of it. Will I defend his play on Sunday no, he was frustrated and gun shy and it led to bad throws and dropped passes. He has to play better. Carr is in the top 5 of athletic QB's and also has one of the strongest arms in the league. Is he accurate, maybe, but we will not know until he has time to throw. Now remember I said Carr played horribly, as did the whole damn team. Understand that Carr is a good QB and one that next year all you haters will be on his junk because you are fair weather type guys.
yeah, I'm a fair weather type guy. That would explain why I drive 2.5 hours, each way, to a game against the Colts, knowing we are going to get creamed, cause it was really fair weather that day.
As for next year, well I have heard that remark now for over 3 years. I have patiently waited 3 years to see this superstar QB emerge out of his cocoon that everyone is telling me is just a moment away from happening.
Honestly, I think Carr is a middle to low ranked starting QB in the NFL, on one of his good days. Right now he is playing well enough to be second string, IMHO. But if I had to point out a game, ANY game in the last 3.5 years of watching him play that I could say he actually played WELL in, I couldn't do it. I don't know of a single game that I saw even a peek at Carr's potential greatness. Now granted my memory ain't what it used to be, but I gotta say, I am getting very tired of the 'wait till next year when he will explode into the NFL's greatest QB ever' people telling me this. How about just one game, show me some of the exalted potential or greatness. Just one. Heck I would even settle for one half of a game to see it.
The Great One, not to sidetrack your points, I will get back to them, but don't have the time right now. Just a quick note though, if he has such a great arm, and touch on the long pass, when did he demonstrate that this season? I don't want an assessment of Carr's potential. I want individual plays where he actually SHOWED this on the field. The question was what have you actually SEEN Carr doing that makes you think he is going to be a great QB. Not what scouting report did you see. What play during a game, ANY game, did Carr show that he is going to be a great QB?
Coach C.
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Minnesota last year showed what Carr was made of. GB last year showed that this team's playcalling will always be a detriment to the team. Carr has played off and on. HE has played inconsistent and erratically, but he has played better than Harrington, Boller, Anthony Wright, J.P. Losman, A. Smith, and whatever other rookies come out and go to a crap team with terrible leadership.
Fair Weather is the definition of Houston Fans all over. That is how most of them are. If you took offense to being called Fair Weather then likely you are.
Fair Weather is the definition of Houston Fans all over. That is how most of them are. If you took offense to being called Fair Weather then likely you are.
Coach C.
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Big Texan you are right. The most obvious thing if you watch Carr at practice and in games is that this system does not suit him. He is a gunslinger. He has a cannon and is not terribly accurate so you run the ball and then you let him spread the field and sling the rock. Until the Texans have a system in place to do this we will lose. Bottom Line...
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I don't really think anyone doubts Carr's physical skills . This whole issue with most of us is when he stinks he does'nt get benched .
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Big Tex any of the three could step in like Big Ben with the Steelers and prospered. Going to an expansion team is worse than getting a peck on the cheek from Don Vito. Carr and Couch both could'nt be this bad .Get an offensive minded coach with a good defensive cordinator . Start building from the line out and everybody from Carr to PBuch will look alot better .
If they can trade out of the 1 or 2 pick that their going to get and have 4picks in the top 40 draft choices then maybe we can get back to 7-9 next year pending that our picks play decent .
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WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO LOSE !
Honestly, can anyone tell me that Carr:
1. Really knows HOW to read a defense? If so, how can you tell? The coaches (who supposedly know him better than any of us) don't trust him enough to let him EVER call his own plays. Calling audibles to change the DIRECTION of the run don't count. With VCR assistance, and slow-motion, anyone can tell whether the QB or the WR read the defense wrong. Trust me when I tell you that the WRs on this team (except Bradford) aren't as bad as many think.
2. Has a strong & accurate enough arm to throw deep? I'm not talking about 2002 throws to Bradford, I'm talking about last year's passes to A.J. that had the hang-time of a punt. I'm talking about all the sideline deep routes that go sailing blissfully out of bounds, three rows deep into the bench.
3. Knows how to scramble anywhere but to his right? Even when the line DOES form a pocket correctly (it does happen) Carr NEVER steps up into it. His tendency to 'take flight' is commonly premature.
4. Can throw on the run? How many times has Carr avoided the rush whilst rolling out, only to overthrow, underthrow, completely miss, or otherwise fail to get the ball to receivers that are open. In many cases the guys who come up to hit him have left the RB, TE, or WR wide open. (For those that think Carr=Favre/McNabb, you better watch the clinic on how to throw on the run by the latter two.)
65% of the sacks are because of line breakdown. A full 35% fall on Carr's shoulders due to poor decision making.
Whether it be:
A) Not throwing it away when he's about to be hit while rolling out behind the line of scrimmage.
B) Not throwing it away before running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage.
C) Not moving into the pocket, and being sacked as he runs into the DT/LB that his blocker moved to the outside like he was supposed to.
D) Not getting rid of the ball when he DOES get his "3 seconds" and somehow misses the DT who gets loose right in front of him.
I don't know if it's lack of confidence, fear, poor decision-making, lack of ability or what. Right now, he is incapable of doing what needs to happen to win consistently. The O-line may have caused it, and is still the major cause of the sacks, but poor passing falls on the QB unless he's actively being hit at the time. I feel sorry for the guy, but he's not holding up his end of the bargain either. Sitting him (while still healthy) may give him time to see the line & tendencies from an observers point of view and actually learn some useful things.
Feel free to pick apart this "analysis" as you see fit, but understand that I want the guy to succeed as much as anyone.
1. Really knows HOW to read a defense? If so, how can you tell? The coaches (who supposedly know him better than any of us) don't trust him enough to let him EVER call his own plays. Calling audibles to change the DIRECTION of the run don't count. With VCR assistance, and slow-motion, anyone can tell whether the QB or the WR read the defense wrong. Trust me when I tell you that the WRs on this team (except Bradford) aren't as bad as many think.
2. Has a strong & accurate enough arm to throw deep? I'm not talking about 2002 throws to Bradford, I'm talking about last year's passes to A.J. that had the hang-time of a punt. I'm talking about all the sideline deep routes that go sailing blissfully out of bounds, three rows deep into the bench.
3. Knows how to scramble anywhere but to his right? Even when the line DOES form a pocket correctly (it does happen) Carr NEVER steps up into it. His tendency to 'take flight' is commonly premature.
4. Can throw on the run? How many times has Carr avoided the rush whilst rolling out, only to overthrow, underthrow, completely miss, or otherwise fail to get the ball to receivers that are open. In many cases the guys who come up to hit him have left the RB, TE, or WR wide open. (For those that think Carr=Favre/McNabb, you better watch the clinic on how to throw on the run by the latter two.)
65% of the sacks are because of line breakdown. A full 35% fall on Carr's shoulders due to poor decision making.
Whether it be:
A) Not throwing it away when he's about to be hit while rolling out behind the line of scrimmage.
B) Not throwing it away before running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage.
C) Not moving into the pocket, and being sacked as he runs into the DT/LB that his blocker moved to the outside like he was supposed to.
D) Not getting rid of the ball when he DOES get his "3 seconds" and somehow misses the DT who gets loose right in front of him.
I don't know if it's lack of confidence, fear, poor decision-making, lack of ability or what. Right now, he is incapable of doing what needs to happen to win consistently. The O-line may have caused it, and is still the major cause of the sacks, but poor passing falls on the QB unless he's actively being hit at the time. I feel sorry for the guy, but he's not holding up his end of the bargain either. Sitting him (while still healthy) may give him time to see the line & tendencies from an observers point of view and actually learn some useful things.
Feel free to pick apart this "analysis" as you see fit, but understand that I want the guy to succeed as much as anyone.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
He looked wretched his last start. His situation is the same thing as Moon's last days. Carelson played well in short stints and people thought he would just take over for Moon when Moon went away...but when he had to play week in week out his game's limitations were exposed the same way Tony Banks game is exposed when he plays more than one or two games a strech. I think that is a very good comparison...I just don't see a starting caliber NFL QB in Volek. Just a Tommy Maddux/Cody Carelson type talent.yaboycm said:
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BIG TEX I don't feel like were going to win right now . We had the Bengals and what happened . A QBs job is to lead his team like Matt the Trojan and win .
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Anybody know Banks record as a starter with the Texans ?
infantrycak
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3 wins, 3 losses with substantial playing time. Keep in mind, only in the losing overtime game with NE did he have over 20 passing attempts (and he only completed 40% that day).
I was being sarcastic about your generalizations. You throw a pretty wide loop over a large number of people with them. So much so it is laughable to me. Offended? please. I got thicker skin than that Coach C. No offense taken by me.
and yes, after thinking on it all afternoon I will readily agree that the Minn. game last year Carr really showed what he could potentially be. That game is a fond memory to me actually. It is one of, if not the only time, that us NON fair weather fans who stay till the clock read 00:00 really got our moneys worth. Best loss I have seen by the Texans to date, IMHO.
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Time for the O-Line overs to defend their boys. IMHO.
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