Time for the Carr lovers to defend their boy

[Kaiser Toro]

Carr was doing fine last year the first half of the season, he made his throws, he was one of the least concerns on this team. Then for "some reason" he's the worst thing since Tony Banks. Carr still makes his throws, he nailed a comeback on the left side across his body, which if anyone has every played QB is a tough throw to make. He didn't have a great day, but when you throw the ball like 9 times, no QB is going to get into any kind of rythm with that. His audibles are atrocious, he isn't allows to audible out of a run. That's a killer for the scheme. If I was a MLB and I see Carr audible, I automatically know its a run because he isn't allowed to do otherwise. Nice.

As the Colt fans pointed out, our offense is just plain vanilla, we've lost any element of surprise and can not adjust to any adverse circumstances. Carr is the least of our problems, he is only 1 individual on this team that dictates what he can and can not do. His abilities are being wasted.

Kind of the chicken egg syndorme, what came first, the coaches lack of confidence in Carr or Carr's bad decision making?

I read your first sentence and I cannot help to think of how many times we see glimpses of something good from a drive, a quarter or a half for the offense and then resort back to the same old same old. Will this offense ever be able to put out one sound game together with David Carr at the helm? I hope so, but for less dollars in the future.

 

[Ibar_Harry]

Kind of the chicken egg syndorme, what came first, the coaches lack of confidence in Carr or Carr's bad decision making?

I read your first sentence and I cannot help to think of how many times we see glimpses of something good from a drive, a quarter or a half for the offense and then resort back to the same old same old. Will this offense ever be able to put out one sound game together with David Carr at the helm? I hope so, but for less dollars in the future.

Didn't we beat Dallas the 1st game we played. I'm sorry, but all plays are called by the coaching staff on this ball club and Carr only audibles into a standard play call he has been given. Carr basically makes very few decisions during the course of the game.

9 Passes in the last game was the will of the coaching staff. I firmly believe he was told not to pass the ball unless he was 120 % certain of a completion. That was the game plan, because they wanted to keep the ball out of Payton's hands. The problem was the defense never allowed us to get a lead. We actually came back against them and part of that was runs by Carr which resulted in 1st downs particularly when we got near the red zone. In any event, Carr is simply doing what the coaching staff is requested and if he didn't he wouldn't be playing.

NOBODY MAKES DECISIONS ON THIS BALL CLUB EXCEPT FOR THE COACHES AND I THINK A LOT OF US WOULD EVEN QUESTION THAT...........

 

[infantrycak]

Carr basically makes very few decisions during the course of the game.

This is just a silly statement. A QB makes all sorts of decisions in a game even with a limited play book. Analysis at the line and ability to change the formation or play, reads while on passing plays, decisions on how to avoid the rush, decisions on whether to run, throw the ball away, etc. Carr just like every other QB makes hundreds of decisions a game.

9 Passes in the last game was the will of the coaching staff.

Folks keep saying 9 passes and it really isn't accurate. Carr got off 9 attempts--he mis-threw 2 and had 1 dropped for 6 completions. Yes the two mis-throws were horrendous, on the other hand without the equally horrendous drop he would have completed 77% of his attempts. Those were not all the passing plays called however. He was also sacked 5 times on called passing plays and ran 5 times on called passing plays--that is perceived or real pressure on 53% of the called passing plays by the way folks. There were therefore 19 called passing plays vs. 28 rushing plays.

The problem was the defense never allowed us to get a lead.

Yeah, I remember the D punting on the 1st possession of the game instead of taking a lead, and it was the D punting instead of coming back on the 2nd possession to tie the game and it was the D at fault for throwing an INT on the 1st play of the 3rd possession after sacking and taking the ball from Peyton. Shame on the D. Geez, Ibar try being at least a little accurate.

 

[disaacks3]

Seriously, you guys crack me up. Half of you bash Carr and say he sucks and should get rid of the ball sooner. The other half say its all the O-Line's fault. You [edited] realize that DD has to run through the very same line that you all bash and he still puts up insane numbers.
Seriously, do you people not know what a gem you have in DD????

Reality check time....

You DO realize that run blocking and Pass Blocking are two COMPLETELY different animals.......don't you?

 

[infantrycak]

Just curious, what did the D do after the 1st half? Remember infantrycak, there are 2 halves to the game, not just one. And when the D did keep us in the game, we were tied going into the half. Huh, go figure.

Read what I was responding to. The idea that the D prevented the O from getting a lead in the 1st half is absurd. The Texans O actually had the ball 17:29 in the 1st half compared to Indy's 12:31. The O had their chance at a lead. Yes the D sucked in the 2nd half, but then again, so did the O with a record of punt, punt & fumble.

 

[nunusguy]

"The truth is that it's absolutely preposterous for the top pick in the draft, a franchise quarterback, to be sacked more than any quarterback in the league in three of his first four seasons. It's inexcusable for Casserly and Capers to allow that to happen."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3416566

 

[Texas]

I'd have to agree. Everytime I notice carr run out of the pocket he 13% of the time completes the pass. He usually runs out of bounds or throws it way out of the receivers range. Its pretty ridicilous. He needs to be able to throw on the run because our line cant hold a pocket , but yet he seems he hasnt learned that yet.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

"The truth is that it's absolutely preposterous for the top pick in the draft, a franchise quarterback, to be sacked more than any quarterback in the league in three of his first four seasons. It's inexcusable for Casserly and Capers to allow that to happen."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3416566

It is absolutely preposterous for anyone to lead in that category first of all.

I am not from Houston so I do not have a feel for Mr. McClain's past work, but I cannot stand his style or delivery. I do feel that his pieces are no better than the stuff we see on this board.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

The benching of Carr is a trouble shooting action . What are going to do... lose ?
Right now he's a bad QB behind an awful OL with bad WRs and a decent RB .

 

[billtxus]

Carr obviously isnt a great QB. However replacing him won't solve the problem, because he isn't the main problem. The problem first and foremost are the coaches, and maybe also the GM.

I say the coaches because they have offense personnel that won seven games last year. Unfortunately they haven't adapted the offense, as the defenses have shut down the passing game. This was happening towards the end of last season. Compare Andre's passing yardage in the first half of the season to the second, its much smaller in the second. The league has now succeeded in shutting down the passing game completely, and it won't come back until the coaches make some adjustments. Not clear they have the personnel to make too many adjustments, but they should be doing better than they are.

I also say the coaches because the game Sunday was tied at halftime. As usual the opponent made more effective changes at halftime than the Texans. So the Texans got blown out the second half, with virtually zero yards of offense.

The GM is at fault for letting Glenn go, and trading two draft picks to get Buchanon. That was a huge loss of draft picks, and on net a much worse corner. Glenn is now good enough to start for the Big Tuna, but not for Capers? Other similar personnel gaffs have weakend what was a pretty good defense. That defense went 13 quarters last year without giving up a touchdown, now they give up yards and TD's at an alarming rate.

 

[yaboycm]

We need an offensive line. Why do you want to draft Reggie Bush????

Reggie Bush can line up at receiver as well as running back. A two back set with Bush and Davis. You can't double Andre all day anymore. Linebackers on Bush and Davis = Scary. Especially if we actually sign a tight end and no 2receiver.

Why must you people exaggerate the offensive line problem so much. It's not like he drops back and immediately has people in his face. A few plays a game yes, but not all the time. If the line is so bad how did DD have close to 100 yards in the first half. If you had a quarterback who could get the ball to his receivers DD would be that much better. He is in between Westbrook and Tomlinson. A versitle back who can run the ball very well and catch too.

Vince Young is a competitor and hard worker. He has made a ton of progress since his first year at Texas. There's no reason to believe he won't make more progress after. Two years ago they pulled him against Tech. Saturday he beat the hell out of them. I know he is not the best passer, but he is making a lot of progress.

And he can run the ball!!! There is so much to defend when he is on the field. You have to spy him or he will just take off on you.

The NFL is becoming a speed league more and more. Why not have a quarterback with speed too.

 

[SESupergenius]

I am still just not convinced it's Carr. I have yet to see consistant pass protection to allow him time to get comfortable. I look at a lot of games lately around the NFL and see a nice reverse "C" formation in the olines when they hike the ball. I just don't see that at all here, maybe a couple of plays but for the most part we are letting the other team well into the backfield. I mean all of the sudden Carr is bad QB and yet whenever another teams fans come on here they say the exact same thing, get an oline. I've been trying to see if Carr is the problem and I end up at the same conclusion, the protection breakdown is the root of our offensive troubles. We are gearing our playcalling towards helping out the oline.

I just want to know, where was this post the last 4 games? Were all the games Carrs fault. NOT! He had a couple of bad throws this game and all of the sudden people are forgetting the previous 4 games where the oline took center stage.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Only one way to see if its Carr ... and that is some pine time . Oh heck who's gonna be on commercials ( HEB , BMW )... hey he can do an add for Mattress Mack and his Lazy Boy recliners .

 

[SESupergenius]

I think I've said to myself once in 4 years now "Carr has all kinds of time back there". Suffice it to say, I say that about almost every QB we face.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Nobody knows what would happen if Carr does'nt play ... hey they might score 17 .
Why are people worried about Carr sitting is his ego that fragile ? If I was100% behind Carr I'd welcome a change for two reasons 1. It would show he's not the problem 2. He can't get killed from the bench .

 

[rohol]

Hey, I have sort of followed football since the Texans sprang up to play. Granted it was never that close, but I watched a game now and then. This year, however, I've been following pretty closely. I've only been able to watch one game, but I live in Iowa so the only game that has aired in my area was the Sunday night game against the Seahawks. I don't know a lot yet, but here's my opinion anyway.

As soon as that game started I could see in Carr's body language that he just wanted to get rid of the ball quickly. Whether it was a pass or run, it was the same. But I also saw that when he did get the chance to do something, he usually did it. When he had time to throw he would get it to the receiver, or when he had time to see noone was open he'd run and get some yards.

I think that if he had more time he'd be a lot better quarterback.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Ragone is great...against back-up D. Banks is all-right...against back-up D. That's why they don't start. So, in the words of Carlos Mencia, "Dee dee-dee."

I think most would agree that Ragone and Banks are not great, but there comes a point in time where you have to begin to think about our future. I think that point is if we are 0-8 in a couple of weeks.

We or other teams do not know his value if he sits on the sidelines.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

So what all you are saying is that Carr is the problem?

He has to be since that is the only guy we talk about right?

Most of you would make a great QB coach.

Never have, never will. We have made changes on the line and with the OC. We have our star WR out and our running game is not the worse in the league. If we go 0-8 and I think that we need to look at shuffling the QB spot. We do not want our franchise getting hurt, do we?

 

[utahmark]

Well and for the rest of the rest of the story, Atlanta also gave up 50 sacks last year, one more than the Texans, and they did so on 76 less attempts than the Texans.

The attempts alone do not truly tell the picture though either and Carr, Vick and Bulger are good examples. Vick had 120 rushing attempts--probably 75% of those were called passing plays that broke down. Carr had 73 rushing attempts--probably 90% of those were called passing plays that broke down. Bulger had 19 rushing attempts--probably 50% were called rushing plays for 1st downs or TD's (he had 3 TD's). Putting those numbers together gives a better indication of how often the QB feels pressure (notice I did not say is pressured, but feels pressured and acts on it--would have to look at the tape to see if the pressure was real).

Vick felt pressure on about 26% of passing plays.
Carr 19.5%
Bulger 9.4%

Maybe the pressure really isn't there on Bulger, maybe he doesn't feel it as much--maybe like so many things it is both.

how bout the end of the story. that was last year and carr had comparible numbers to vick. this year the sack comparison is not comparible. add to the fact that we are the most conservative team in the league and our main goal is to avoid sacks and you might come to an understanding of why carr is playing so poorly. because his offensive line is maybe the worst ever.

 

[nunusguy]

Were all the games Carrs fault. NOT! He had a couple of bad throws this game and all of the sudden people are forgetting the previous 4 games where the oline took center stage.

Carr played well last week in Seattle, especially given the caliber of pass protection he was getting (which was lacking to say the least). and I appreciated the remarks from Theisman to that effect. Lot of people think Theisman is kinda goofy. Well I do to, but he is a former NFL QB who had some success in this league and probably knows something about QB play.
But on the other hand, this past Sunday DC didn't play too well. I was at the game and moaned when he thru that one ball in the dirt and at the feet of Gaffney. Then the pass in the EZ on the attempt at a 2 point conversion which was was uncatchable - that was certainly disappointing.

 

[TEXANRED]

Reggie Bush can line up at receiver as well as running back. A two back set with Bush and Davis. You can't double Andre all day anymore. Linebackers on Bush and Davis = Scary. Especially if we actually sign a tight end and no 2receiver.

Why must you people exaggerate the offensive line problem so much. It's not like he drops back and immediately has people in his face. A few plays a game yes, but not all the time. If the line is so bad how did DD have close to 100 yards in the first half. If you had a quarterback who could get the ball to his receivers DD would be that much better. He is in between Westbrook and Tomlinson. A versitle back who can run the ball very well and catch too.

Vince Young is a competitor and hard worker. He has made a ton of progress since his first year at Texas. There's no reason to believe he won't make more progress after. Two years ago they pulled him against Tech. Saturday he beat the hell out of them. I know he is not the best passer, but he is making a lot of progress.

And he can run the ball!!! There is so much to defend when he is on the field. You have to spy him or he will just take off on you.

The NFL is becoming a speed league more and more. Why not have a quarterback with speed too.

Lets put down the Bush/Young banner. We are drafting a left tackle. Period. If we dont I vote to find Cass's house and egg it. Of cousre I feel he should be fired anyway, you dont give up two first rounds for Orlando Pace, but you give up 2,3,swap 4, for babbin. Then if that wasent good enough we traded our 2,3 for PBuc. I at first defended Cass that two first rounds was to much but then we drafted a non-starting undersized DT in the first. Just for us to draft an unproven LT this year. wow. Besides, McNeil is a better QB.

 

[BuffSoldier]

Why must you people exaggerate the offensive line problem so much. It's not like he drops back and immediately has people in his face. A few plays a game yes, but not all the time. If the line is so bad how did DD have close to 100 yards in the first half.

What are you talking about, no seriously, do you know what you are saying. So you are telling me that because a team can run block well, they can also pass protect. That is one of the worst comments ever. Do you know that there is a difference between run and pass blocking? Dont you know that pass protecting takes quick feet and athleticism to stay with quick footed D-linemen with pass rush moves? Anyone who is big and strong can bully someone up front and push them out of the way to open up holes, if you cant do that, you shouldnt be in the NFL. But it takes actual skill to pass protect.

 

[thegr8fan]

first let me start with this. I have just read through 6 pages of this thread and NOT ONCE has any Carr supporter listed ANYTHING that he did well. Instead of keeping the focus on Carr, it is an endless string of cyclic threads about all of the following:

1: the Offensive Line is definitely sub par for the NFL.

2: The WR's are not all premium WR's and perhaps they need some route running skill enhancement.

3: The D can't stop the other team which results in obvious passing situations at the end of the game and we all know how that works out, with our current O-line.

Now that we have got all the 'smoke and mirrors' out of the way for the 'Carr is the greatest QB ever'fanatics, answer me this.

Tell me exactly, and specifically what Carr does himself that makes you think he is going to be a great QB, or even a very good QB. I am talking about Carr himself, not anyone, or any other component of our current team.

what is it that Carr does well? What is it that all you Carr supporters are seeing that I am not, and makes you think he still is going to be an above average QB in the NFL.

I can list several things that, IMHO, he personally does not do well. I can list several things that make me think he will be exactly what he is, an average NFL QB who may or may not even be starter material.

Lets here now from all the supporters of David Carr what they think he actually does good.

Anything, anything at all..........

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

Well im not a Carr supporter or hater i support the texans but i see we have a lame excuse of a QB i wonder what people will say when David cant even look good againts the browns.

 

[SESupergenius]

first let me start with this. I have just read through 6 pages of this thread and NOT ONCE has any Carr supporter listed ANYTHING that he did well. Instead of keeping the focus on Carr, it is an endless string of cyclic threads about all of the following:

1: the Offensive Line is definitely sub par for the NFL.

2: The WR's are not all premium WR's and perhaps they need some route running skill enhancement.

3: The D can't stop the other team which results in obvious passing situations at the end of the game and we all know how that works out, with our current O-line.

Now that we have got all the 'smoke and mirrors' out of the way for the 'Carr is the greatest QB ever'fanatics, answer me this.

Tell me exactly, and specifically what Carr does himself that makes you think he is going to be a great QB, or even a very good QB. I am talking about Carr himself, not anyone, or any other component of our current team.

what is it that Carr does well? What is it that all you Carr supporters are seeing that I am not, and makes you think he still is going to be an above average QB in the NFL.

I can list several things that, IMHO, he personally does not do well. I can list several things that make me think he will be exactly what he is, an average NFL QB who may or may not even be starter material.

Lets here now from all the supporters of David Carr what they think he actually does good.

Anything, anything at all..........

If you name 1 thing the O-line does good then we can start there, that is where the games are won and lost, in the trenches. How many Pro-Bowlers do you see on the offensive line? Wanna try NONE. What are Carrs options on any given play? 2 WR's, a slow TE who can't catch, and DD out of the backfield. 4 against 7, go do the math.

What does Carr do well. He scrambles from the atrocious collapse of the pocket to create some sore of drive with legs for a 1st down. When he has time, he darts his passes to recievers that hit them in stride.....but sometimes they just aren't looking for the ball (jab) or it bounces off them like Superman's chest to a speeding bullet. Carr roles out well and hits his target.....if the defense hasn't prepared for that play since we ran it a cagillion times enough for the defense to sniff out. Carr is good at remaining upbeat after taking a beating repeatedly from the regime and the poor excuse of players on the offensive line. Carr does a good job of consoling an offensive line player for his mistakes....even that mistake allows harm to him physically. Carr does well in still trying his best despite the numberous changes that a club goes through in expansionism.

 

[texan279]

After watching this game, who still thinks Carr is the quarterback of the future for this team? He is terrible. Worst starting quarterback in the NFL. No question. The team has so much confidence in him they let him throw the ball 9 times. 9 times! This isn't Ferris Bueller's absences in one school year; this is the number of passes Daniella Carr threw today. I know there were more pass plays called, but he only threw 9 passes!

P-Lease don't bring the O-Line talk. Did you see Carr throw? Or try to. He can't. How did he miss Jabar on that 3rd down out route? Wide Open. Wiiiiiiiide Open.



Also, Domanick Davis is one of the best RBs in the league. It just sucks he is on a crappy team and the rest of the nation doesn't get to see him often. Poor man's LT. Him and Reggie Bush on the same team would be scary. Especially when one lines up as a receiver and the quaterback is a scrambler like...............................I don't know......Vince Young.

Doesn't matter what we think about Carr being the future of our team, because the front office is the one who makes the decisions, and from what I read and hear, they are picking up Carr's option. And yeah, Carr missed Gaff on the one pass, but show me one QB in NFL history who hasn't missed a WR. For all we know it could have been a miscommunication on the play call, I don't know, but I think there is something going on because it seems like Carr has missed quite a few WR's this season, and when I say miss I mean he missed them big time or when he gets it to them I have seen a lot of them dropped, but no one says a thing about AJ and his drops, and no I am not saying it's our WR's faults, but maybe a lack of communication between the QB, WR, and the coaches. And why is it if Carr appears way off on his throws to Bradford some here say Bradford ran the wrong route and if he looks off when he throws to Gaff. I was one of the biggest Carr bashers on here in the preseason and in the first couple of weeks and I am not saying he is not to blame at all but there are other problems here too. Carr looked better to me last season. For some reason he has regressed whether it be the coaches or the abuse he takes each game or the mental effect all of these hits, sacks, and rushes are having on him. And if you think Davis is one of the best RB's in the NFL, why should we draft another RB in the draft as far as Reggie Bush goes? Davis is a solid RB, but IMO not "one of the best" in the NFL. I would take LT, Edge James, Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander and a few others over Davis if I had a pick. I know my post rambles and is jumbled together but it's 2:30am and I am tired...

 

[yaboycm]

It's obvious this person doesn't understand there is a distinct difference between run blocking and pass blocking.

Of course I know there is a different. My point is people inflate the o-line problem.

 

[yaboycm]

Doesn't matter what we think about Carr being the future of our team, because the front office is the one who makes the decisions, and from what I read and hear, they are picking up Carr's option. And yeah, Carr missed Gaff on the one pass, but show me one QB in NFL history who hasn't missed a WR. For all we know it could have been a miscommunication on the play call, I don't know, but I think there is something going on because it seems like Carr has missed quite a few WR's this season, and when I say miss I mean he missed them big time or when he gets it to them I have seen a lot of them dropped, but no one says a thing about AJ and his drops, and no I am not saying it's our WR's faults, but maybe a lack of communication between the QB, WR, and the coaches. And why is it if Carr appears way off on his throws to Bradford some here say Bradford ran the wrong route and if he looks off when he throws to Gaff. I was one of the biggest Carr bashers on here in the preseason and in the first couple of weeks and I am not saying he is not to blame at all but there are other problems here too. Carr looked better to me last season. For some reason he has regressed whether it be the coaches or the abuse he takes each game or the mental effect all of these hits, sacks, and rushes are having on him. And if you think Davis is one of the best RB's in the NFL, why should we draft another RB in the draft as far as Reggie Bush goes? Davis is a solid RB, but IMO not "one of the best" in the NFL. I would take LT, Edge James, Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander and a few others over Davis if I had a pick. I know my post rambles and is jumbled together but it's 2:30am and I am tired...

I think teams need two good backs. Usually one who is fast and a big back. But Bush is so good you could line him up at receiver often and leave DD in the backfield. He would easily be the no 2 receiver on our team right now. Also if you had both of them split in the backfield, shotgun, three wide. Tough to defend. Especially when you mix in some draws with either. Both could line up at receiver too. 5 wide. Decoys.

 

[TEXANRED]

first let me start with this. I have just read through 6 pages of this thread and NOT ONCE has any Carr supporter listed ANYTHING that he did well. Instead of keeping the focus on Carr, it is an endless string of cyclic threads about all of the following:

1: the Offensive Line is definitely sub par for the NFL.

2: The WR's are not all premium WR's and perhaps they need some route running skill enhancement.

3: The D can't stop the other team which results in obvious passing situations at the end of the game and we all know how that works out, with our current O-line.

Now that we have got all the 'smoke and mirrors' out of the way for the 'Carr is the greatest QB ever'fanatics, answer me this.

Tell me exactly, and specifically what Carr does himself that makes you think he is going to be a great QB, or even a very good QB. I am talking about Carr himself, not anyone, or any other component of our current team.

what is it that Carr does well? What is it that all you Carr supporters are seeing that I am not, and makes you think he still is going to be an above average QB in the NFL.

I can list several things that, IMHO, he personally does not do well. I can list several things that make me think he will be exactly what he is, an average NFL QB who may or may not even be starter material.

Lets here now from all the supporters of David Carr what they think he actually does good.

Anything, anything at all..........

I will say say it again. Puts up Elway numbers(hall of famer, two superbowls) and throws like Farve(future hall of famer, one superbowl)

The team as a whole stinks. Not that Carr is excused, he is playing bad, but he is not "take'em to the pasture and put him down" bad. Give him Harringtons WR's and Seattle's blocking and he plays like this, then we will talk.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

first let me start with this. I have just read through 6 pages of this thread and NOT ONCE has any Carr supporter listed ANYTHING that he did well. Instead of keeping the focus on Carr, it is an endless string of cyclic threads about all of the following:

1: the Offensive Line is definitely sub par for the NFL.

2: The WR's are not all premium WR's and perhaps they need some route running skill enhancement.

3: The D can't stop the other team which results in obvious passing situations at the end of the game and we all know how that works out, with our current O-line.

Now that we have got all the 'smoke and mirrors' out of the way for the 'Carr is the greatest QB ever'fanatics, answer me this.

Tell me exactly, and specifically what Carr does himself that makes you think he is going to be a great QB, or even a very good QB. I am talking about Carr himself, not anyone, or any other component of our current team.

what is it that Carr does well? What is it that all you Carr supporters are seeing that I am not, and makes you think he still is going to be an above average QB in the NFL.

I can list several things that, IMHO, he personally does not do well. I can list several things that make me think he will be exactly what he is, an average NFL QB who may or may not even be starter material.

Lets here now from all the supporters of David Carr what they think he actually does good.

Anything, anything at all..........

What does Carr do well on the field, hmmmm? He is very good at running to his right. He does not shy away from contact. He shows, at times, a gun of a arm.

Wow! That is a tough question. I thought I would be able to come up with more by taking a objective viewpoint.

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

To bad we dont have a Qb hat can take advantege of that

 

[TEXANRED]

What does Carr do well on the field, hmmmm? He is very good at running to his right. He does not shy away from contact. He shows, at times, a gun of a arm.

Wow! That is a tough question. I thought I would be able to come up with more by taking a objective viewpoint.

You forgot, he picks himself up off the ground after each and every play, tries to lead a talentless offense, and plays thru injuries for ungreatfull fans, all the while attempts to keep his composure with the crap system he has to play in.

It must be tough to have all the talent in the world but have your growth stunted by an orginazation who doesent give a rats about you. Just thrown to the wolves week after week after week.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Did someone compare Carr to Elway and Favre ? Coming out of Standford ... Elway was one of the highest rated QB prospects ever . I 'm thinking he did not dissapoint . He carried OK teams to the Super Bowl . If Elway had played in a different system he might hold all the passing records .
Favre is the ultimate gunslinger who never met a throw that he would not try . He also elevated his team... Favre played with a broken thumb on his throwing hand and never made excuses . The Monday night game against Oakland shows the affection his team has for him .
Right now Carr's closer to Rick Meier than Favre or Elway .

 

[TEXANRED]

Did someone compare Carr to Elway and Favre ? Coming out of Standford ... Elway was one of the highest rated QB prospects ever . I 'm thinking he did not dissapoint . He carried OK teams to the Super Bowl . If Elway had played in a different system he might hold all the passing records .
Favre is the ultimate gunslinger who never met a throw that he would not try . He also elevated his team... Favre played with a broken thumb on his throwing hand and never made excuses . The Monday night game against Oakland shows the affection his team has for him .
Right now Carr's closer to Rick Meier than Favre or Elway .

Yes I did. Highest prospect sure but you still cannot deny, and look it up if you dont believe me, the stats are the same. Elway had the orange crush on his side and a very good line to protect him. What does car have? The "no please let me get out of your way" o-line and a D that spots 30 points the other team.

Carr has never met a pass he didnt like either and Farve and Carr throw many many INT's trying to make things happen. Diffrence, Farve had an o-line, three good wide recievers (Corey Bradford?) and a D that could stop the other team.

And I think Carr plays hurt as well, hurt shoulder, hurt knee, pounded every week, still get out there and plays.

 

[TEXANRED]

Did someone compare Carr to Elway and Favre ? Coming out of Standford ... Elway was one of the highest rated QB prospects ever . I 'm thinking he did not dissapoint . He carried OK teams to the Super Bowl . If Elway had played in a different system he might hold all the passing records .
Favre is the ultimate gunslinger who never met a throw that he would not try . He also elevated his team... Favre played with a broken thumb on his throwing hand and never made excuses . The Monday night game against Oakland shows the affection his team has for him .
Right now Carr's closer to Rick Meier than Favre or Elway .

Yes I did. Highest prospect sure but you still cannot deny, and look it up if you dont believe me, the stats are the same. Elway had the orange crush on his side and a very good line to protect him. What does car have? The "no please let me get out of your way" o-line and a D that spots 30 points the other team.

Carr has never met a pass he didnt like either and Farve and Carr throw many many INT's trying to make things happen. Diffrence, Farve had an o-line, three good wide recievers (Corey Bradford?) and a D that could stop the other team.

And I think Carr plays hurt as well, hurt shoulder, hurt knee, pounded every week, still get out there and plays.

 

[Vinny]

Elway made clutch plays in crunch time. Carr folds under pressure. Stats alone are not a good indicator of great QB play. Stats don't tell you who made a play in the cluch and who threw a 1 yard dump pass where the other player made the great play. Anyone who compares Carr to Elway is just kidding himself.

 

[TEXANRED]

Elway made clutch plays in crunch time. Carr folds under pressure. Stats alone are not a good indicator of great QB play. Stats don't tell you who made a play in the cluch and who threw a 1 yard dump pass where the other player made the great play. Anyone who compares Carr to Elway is just kidding himself.

What was Elway's clutch play? Nothing more then getting time to throw the ball and his WR's capable of getting open and getting out of bounds to stop the clock. I dont think he won any games by completing an 80 yard pass down field in the last second. Didn't Elway get to call his own plays where as Carr dosent have that option. It's hard to make plays in the clutch when you are on your back.

Once again, it's a team/system that is also to blame. Not just Carr.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Texan Red how old are you ? If your into stats look how many 4th quaurter comebacks Elway had . Better yet maybe they'll have an Elway weekend on ESPN classics... with no repeats .
Vinny do you remember the 4th and seventeen against the Oilers . Elway rolled out and Richard Johnson bit on the fake and Johnny boy threw right over his head ... 1st down . DD is better than any RB Elway had until Terrell Davis and AJ is a better WR than the Three Amigos .

ps The Orange Crush was the 77 Bronco defense .

 

[SESupergenius]

To compare Elways or Farves offensive system is weak as well. No doubt they are better than Carr, but no doubt they had a hell of a lot more talent and better schemes than Carr has ever had. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Great leaders elevate their team . They don't do this by going 6/9 for a +6 yds .
Its not about what Carr might have been its about what he is . I do believe the whole front office except for the secretary's should be fired for not building a team to protect the QB . I also believe Palmer , Manning , and Vick are better prospects . So maybe it was our bad luck we drafted in 2002 or maybe it was Palmer , Mannings and Vick good luck .

 

[TEXANRED]

Texan Red how old are you ? If your into stats look how many 4th quaurter comebacks Elway had . Better yet maybe they'll have an Elway weekend on ESPN classics... with no repeats .
Vinny do you remember the 4th and seventeen against the Oilers . Elway rolled out and Richard Johnson bit on the fake and Johnny boy threw right over his head ... 1st down . DD is better than any RB Elway had until Terrell Davis and AJ is a better WR than the Three Amigos .

ps The Orange Crush was the 77 Bronco defense .

I thought the orange crush was all the way thru the 80's? Kinda of like the Aggie Wrecking Crew.

AJ better than the Three Amigo's? Really? Have you not noticed that AJ cant catch? Cant get open? If you hit AJ in the hands he drops the ball and please dont give me the "he is trippled covered b/c Moss and Owens dont have any trouble finding open range.

once again the system dosent allow for carr to show his true attributes.

 

[BuffSoldier]

first let me start with this. I have just read through 6 pages of this thread and NOT ONCE has any Carr supporter listed ANYTHING that he did well. Instead of keeping the focus on Carr, it is an endless string of cyclic threads about all of the following:

1: the Offensive Line is definitely sub par for the NFL.

2: The WR's are not all premium WR's and perhaps they need some route running skill enhancement.

3: The D can't stop the other team which results in obvious passing situations at the end of the game and we all know how that works out, with our current O-line.

Now that we have got all the 'smoke and mirrors' out of the way for the 'Carr is the greatest QB ever'fanatics, answer me this.

Tell me exactly, and specifically what Carr does himself that makes you think he is going to be a great QB, or even a very good QB. I am talking about Carr himself, not anyone, or any other component of our current team.

what is it that Carr does well? What is it that all you Carr supporters are seeing that I am not, and makes you think he still is going to be an above average QB in the NFL.

I can list several things that, IMHO, he personally does not do well. I can list several things that make me think he will be exactly what he is, an average NFL QB who may or may not even be starter material.

Lets here now from all the supporters of David Carr what they think he actually does good.

Anything, anything at all..........

1. Carr is a great team leader, taking the lead role from day 1
2. team player, never points fingers
3. rocket arm can thread a tight spiral through coverage
4. accuracy rolling out of the pocket
5. good speed, will run if he needs too and can do it well
6. throws a pretty good deep ball
7. competitor, never gives up
8. accurate when given time to step up into the pocket

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Buff tell the QB you just described to show up Sunday .

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Buff tell the QB you just described to show up Sunday .

That is something I think we all wuold like to see.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

If you disbanded the Texans right now AJ would be the 1st or 2nd player picked from this team . AJ was the best young WR in the NFL last year . OK the line sucks , AJ sucks , the WR as a whole suck , DD is ok not good . Hey you can take the negatives like an Xray and find the cavity .

 

[Vinny]

I think Carr will get the nod going into next year and if he still struggles, he will be traded before the 2007 season.

If Carr continues to struggle he won't be tradable with his contract.

 

[TEXANRED]

Even if that QB shows, will it be enough? It's not like this team is one or even two players from greatness.

Anyone know if there is any good free agent linemen this year?

 

[Vinny]

I'm assuming we pick up his deal...he won't be a FA in that case.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

1. Carr is a great team leader, taking the lead role from day 1
2. team player, never points fingers
3. rocket arm can thread a tight spiral through coverage
4. accuracy rolling out of the pocket
5. good speed, will run if he needs too and can do it well
6. throws a pretty good deep ball
7. competitor, never gives up
8. accurate when given time to step up into the pocket

1- he was placed as team leader, does not seem to have the trust of team
2- not in interviews, but look at him on the field.
3- strong arm, not sure about the thread part
4- good on planned rolls, but not scrammbles
5- tough runner, his best plays has been as a runner
6- because of offense does not do it enough to comment
7- maybe best quality,
8- inconsistent accuracy with or without time

 

[SESupergenius]

If Carr continues to struggle he won't be tradable with his contract.

I'm sure the 49rs were thinking the same thing when Steve Young was traded for by Buccaneers.

It's funny you keep saying if Carr continues to struggle, but you leave a couple of factors that affect him....Oline, play calling...etc. Ho Hum, Carr must suck on defense too, I mean what's he doing on the sideline when he could be stopping the gap for Greenwood.