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Time Capsule: Carr's scouting report before the draft
- Thread starter Wolf
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justtxyank
Noob
Kubiak does the play calling in Denver. Shanahan and the players have all said it. He calls the plays and Shan has final word. Shan also calls 4th down plays.
Plummer has also been quoted as saying Kubes is who worked with him
Plummer has also been quoted as saying Kubes is who worked with him
For the record, Carr is not Elway, and Reggie isn't Terrell.
Hardcore Texan said:
I agree with everything Kubiak said.... Carr's got talent... So does Aaron Brooks, so does Joey Harrington, So does Quincy Carter, Anthony Wright, John Kitna, etc.....
Sure Carr would be fun to work with...... pay me 1.5 million, and I'll enjoy working with TonyBanks.(what can I say, I'm cheap)
And we know he's got weapons.
But he's a great kid........ not a strong leader...... great kid.
This has nothing to do with the Draft... has nothing to do with the prospect of Vince Young, and says nothing about what our QB situation is going to be next year.
I've been saying David is going to be a great QB on someone else's team. I think cutting him will be the catalyst that turns him around.
Tulip
Veteran
SBTexans08 said:
Sigh. First we compared David Carr to Peyton Manning. Now we're comparing him to one of the greatest football players of all time, a first-ballot hall of famer? Color me befuddled.
And Elway was considered one of the greatest ever before he won a Super Bowl. And in his fourth year, he led the Broncos to a comeback to win the AFC Championship.
I think 4 years is more than enough patience. I'd have been willing to give Carr the 5th year if there had been an option for just one more year instead of 2 or 3. But the way things are structured, his time is up for me.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
thunderkyss said:I agree with everything Kubiak said.... Carr's got talent... So does Aaron Brooks, so does Joey Harrington, So does Quincy Carter, Anthony Wright, John Kitna, etc.....
Sure Carr would be fun to work with...... pay me 1.5 million, and I'll enjoy working with TonyBanks.(what can I say, I'm cheap)
And we know he's got weapons.
But he's a great kid........ not a strong leader...... great kid.
This has nothing to do with the Draft... has nothing to do with the prospect of Vince Young, and says nothing about what our QB situation is going to be next year.
I've been saying David is going to be a great QB on someone else's team. I think cutting him will be the catalyst that turns him around.
What I find interesting is he is referring to him as a Kid, not a young adult nor an adult. Sounds to me like more of the same as in Capers. We need someone with maturity to make this team feel like they are a group of adults who can accomplish something and looks to gain their respect and input into what is wrong with this ball club. You see PM on the sideline involved in the decision making process. I would hope Carr is old enough to be called a man. The same is true of AJ, Gaffny, Mathis or any other player on this ball club.
Big B Texan Fan
Veteran
Of course you do, you want your 'boy to go #1. Just kidding Please clarify as to what you've seen he has done to prove he's been a leader on this team.Hulk75 said:
chuckm
Veteran
I was listening to Charlie Palillo yesterday and he had what I thought was a very good analogy .... he said that the Texans hired Carr and set him to work as a hospital would hire a neuro-surgeon and give him a butcher knife and ask him to operate ... or something to that effect .... anyway I don't always agree with the guy but even the biggest Carr hater couldn't completely disagree with that analogy .... but then again who knows?
Big B Texan Fan
Veteran
The one thing he DID have to do was get to a different team. Do you think Denny Green could've ressurrected his career with being new in town and all the hiring and other things he had going on. If your answer is no, then there is no way Kubes will be able to do it right away (it'd take 3 years) cuz he's never been a coach before, Green has. On top of that tthe cordinators we get will pobably will will former line coaches themselves and they'll go through a learning curve and on top of that it'll be the first year these 3 spend together with their new positions, promotion from old position, new team, etc......Hulk75 said:What is funny is that Jake had nothing to do with himself getting better?
Carr will succeed when and if he goes to a different team that has leadership squarely in place.
TreWardTxn said:
According to John McClain (OK don't shoot the messenger here), Shannahan only calls plays on 4th down. Weird, but apparently he is following along his sheet while Kubiak is making the calls. McClain says he verified this with Denver folks during the playoff game after the atrocious 4th and Goal call made by Denver. I think he wanted to make sure (as do I) that Kubiak didn't call for the fade route to the corner on 4th and Goal from the 2.
I am a Texan fan first and formost. I do not like the way the team plays at times but it is my team. I do think there needs to be changes, but as long as they are on the team lets use facts and not opinions about the players. facst are like $#@holes we all have one. I think Young and bush are great players that can help us, I do not belive Bush is a everydown back and I think Young need a few years to get ready. So each have thier upside and down side. Don't bash the current players to justify drafting either, let ther abilities be the determining factor. P.S We need OL and DL morre than both positions but they are too good to pass up IMHO.
Big78
Waterboy
and i guess we will never know how u would have done as a writer because u couldnt make it because u never use any kind of punctuation i can't belive u turned that whole statement into just three sentences man i wish people would stop being @$$holes and stop being so negative we are stuck with him and so maybe we should talk about his strengths he is 26 for gosh sakes so he lost his cool a couple of times Bret Farve lost his in a game but no one said anything and hes one of the best ever in most peoples opinions man i wish i could use a comma but it had a bad year so i kicked it off the keyboard i guess ill just draft a younger one that costs 10 million dollars.Napa Auto Parts said:
edo783
Hall of Fame
Geeezzz, all this parsing of words and assigning of personal interpretations so that it fits the intrepeters wants an desires is rediculouse. Kubiak is in his 40s and to him someone in thier 20s is VERY likely thought of and refered to as a kid and that is all that it probebly is. There isn't some underlying subliminal message to the world about how he thinks about Carr.
Big78 said:and i guess we will never know how u would have done as a writer because u couldnt make it because u never use any kind of punctuation i can't belive u turned that whole statement into just three sentences man i wish people would stop being @$$holes and stop being so negative we are stuck with him and so maybe we should talk about his strengths he is 26 for gosh sakes so he lost his cool a couple of times Bret Farve lost his in a game but no one said anything and hes one of the best ever in most peoples opinions man i wish i could use a comma but it had a bad year so i kicked it off the keyboard i guess ill just draft a younger one that costs 10 million dollars.
That's one thing right their, one reason that we get this right, right now. We are not stuck with him, not now. As of today, we owe Carr nothing.. If we let him go, he walks. we owe him nothing.
Will David do better in another season, with a new coach, with a new OC, a new system?? We Honestly don't know. He should, but Joey Harrington should have got it done in Detroit. Ryan Leaf should have done it in SanDiego, or at least get the back up job in Dallas. He might do well, he might not. Should we pay him his salary this year?? Probably $3million + an $8million dollar bonus.
Or should we draft another prospect who may do just as well as Carr in the new system, and in the long run..... way better than your wildest Carr wet dream.
and it's not just one bad season. It's one good season out of four...
Wolf
100% Texan
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
Big78 said:and i guess we will never know how u would have done as a writer because u couldnt make it because u never use any kind of punctuation i can't belive u turned that whole statement into just three sentences man i wish people would stop being @$$holes and stop being so negative we are stuck with him and so maybe we should talk about his strengths he is 26 for gosh sakes so he lost his cool a couple of times Bret Farve lost his in a game but no one said anything and hes one of the best ever in most peoples opinions man i wish i could use a comma but it had a bad year so i kicked it off the keyboard i guess ill just draft a younger one that costs 10 million dollars.
Wrong we are not stuck with him should we make the same mistakes the browns did by picking Tim Couchs Option on his contract. just to cut him the next season we have all the makings for that and then it would really hurt us cap wise i just wish we had a time machine. so we could go back and draft Peppers instead of our Lemon. oh and here.,.;:'"'".,';< i hope thats enough
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
Tulip said:Matt Hasselbeck was on PTI today praising Julius Peppers, calling him the best player in the NFL.
And just think he could of been our franchise player
