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Three more mocks, all saying Barron

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TexanExile

A New Hope
3 Sportsline writers' mock drafts

See the link above...all three of these guys say that Houston will take Alex Barron...even the guy who says Derrick Johnson will still be on the board at 13. Dennis Dodd even goes so far as to say "Pencil him in for the next decade." Whoa!


I don't see it happening.
 
TexanExile said:
3 Sportsline writers' mock drafts

See the link above...all three of these guys say that Houston will take Alex Barron...even the guy who says Derrick Johnson will still be on the board at 13. Dennis Dodd even goes so far as to say "Pencil him in for the next decade." Whoa!


I don't see it happening.
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Prisco's great...

Roddy White before M.Williams. Dan Cody before James and Spears. I see he's also caught onto the Troy Williamson hype machine.
 
Wow all three of those guys have Mike Williams outside of the top ten. Surely we're not that predictable as a contrarian these guys have convinced me we're not going Barron.
 
One of them had us passing on derrick johnson and taking barron.. we absolutly would not pass on DJ. Roddy White before Williamson?? Vikings taking a Lb with the 7th pick? Theyre stacked on defense.(remember they got napolean harris fron oak) they will use the 7th pick to replace randy moss. Another one had Clayton taken before Williamson.

They must be getting paid alot for this stuff.. cus there go's their reputation
 
Mock Scmock. As usual, the draft is being over analysed. Nothing to do now but sit and wait for the real draft to occur.

These expert mocks are wrong 100% of the time.

Altough Alex Barron would be a good choice for us. :cool:
 
Even before our highly published move on OP last week, many had us taking
Barron so the Mock guys probably feel like Barron is now a slam dunk for
the Texans top pick. But give them a little credit, the most popular choice of
the mocks last year was a CB - usually D.Hall. So when he was selected before we got to pick, we took the next highest rated CB. By the way, at the time of the draft last year, wonder if the Texans thought D-Rob was the BPA, or was his pick based more on need ? I'm of the opinion that the BPA concept gets a lot of lip service and nothing else from some corners of the NFL.
At any rate, the mock guys got it right last year. Who knows, in the event Barron isn't on the Board for us this year, maybe we take the #2 offensive tackle, whoever the Texans think that might be.
 
Well Barron is #1 on my board but i think he will be gone. If he is there we wont pass on him.. The only was the Viks will take Troy Williamson is if both Edwards and Williams are gone. If Barron is gone all that leaves for us is Williamson and Barnes. All the others dont make much sense in the 1st round.
 
you know i think i'm one of the few guys on this board who actually like the idea of us picking barron with the 13th pick...he is a rare talent and he could be the next walter jones...he is definitly better than half the starting LT's in the nfl now...bobby bowden thinks he could be better than walter jones and he coached both of them...so i personally have no problems with us taking him...we need to improve our o-line...we need to improve a lot of things so i know we will be drafting BPA...it will either be barron, d. johnson, m. williams, benson, williamson, spears, or merriman i think
 
keyfro said:
you know i think i'm one of the few guys on this board who actually like the idea of us picking barron with the 13th pick...he is a rare talent and he could be the next walter jones...he is definitly better than half the starting LT's in the nfl now...bobby bowden thinks he could be better than walter jones and he coached both of them...so i personally have no problems with us taking him...we need to improve our o-line...we need to improve a lot of things so i know we will be drafting BPA...it will either be barron, d. johnson, m. williams, benson, williamson, spears, or merriman i think
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well d. Johnson wont make past 1st 6 picks
Mike Willams wont make past 7
Benson wont make past 9
Williamson could make it at 7 or 12 but i am sure he will be there.
Merriman wont go past 10
Spears wont go past 12.
 
I think the choice for potential would be Barron, if he turns out to be a top LT, Carr will be happy for years.....I would also love to see a top CB taken, and if not, if one of the top WR's or RB's falls...take them
 
we don't need Barron we have Wand plus one year of NFL experience. the best option is for the best player available a CB or OLB who ever the Texans bring in for a private workout & rates higher than the others but we'll probably have to wait until Draft Day to find out :hmmm:

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DRIFTAWAY said:
Vikings taking a Lb with the 7th pick? Theyre stacked on defense.(remember they got napolean harris fron oak) they will use the 7th pick to replace randy moss. Another one had Clayton taken before Williamson.
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I whole-heartedly disagree with you on this...Sure they have plenty of LBs, but the problem is that none of them are good...Sure they have potential, but DJ would be an instant upgrade over all of their LBs and actually give them credibility...

Let's not forget, they have two first rounders, and the draft is deep with WRs, so why not take a WR with pick #18, or even in the second round? WR is not as big of a need for them as many think...When Moss went down, their O didn't miss a beat...
 
royce1054 said:
well Wand does have 1 year under him. Do you think hes good enough to protect the blindside....
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Wand is good enough...Wand + 1 year of experience > Barron with no experience...Barron may ultimately end up being the better player, but as of now, Wand is better...
 
DRIFTAWAY said:
One of them had us passing on derrick johnson and taking barron.. we absolutly would not pass on DJ. Roddy White before Williamson?? Vikings taking a Lb with the 7th pick? Theyre stacked on defense.(remember they got napolean harris fron oak) they will use the 7th pick to replace randy moss. Another one had Clayton taken before Williamson.

They must be getting paid alot for this stuff.. cus there go's their reputation
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the Vikings just added more talent at middle linebacker-

March 19, 2005

Notes: Vikings solidify defense with Cowart

By Brian DeLucia

The Minnesota Vikings couldn’t go wrong with trading a seventh round pick in 2005 NFL Draft to the New York Jets for veteran linebacker Sam Cowart.

The Vikings had a lot of problems with their linebackers last season. Despite their young talent, they all struggled with the system and made several mistakes that led to a lot of defensive breakdowns. Cowart will take over in the middle, replacing E.J. Henderson. Henderson dismayed coaches last season with his inability to make adjustments and follow assignments that fall onto middle linebackers. Henderson is a skillful football player who still has a future if he can mature and improve his approach to the game.

As for Cowart, he provides a lot of stability at the middle linebacker spot. He lost some of his range due to a lot of injury problems over the past several years, but he’s smart and knows how to attack the football. He’ll provide excellent veteran leadership. Although durability is a question, his presence should make a difference
 
There is no way that we take Alex Barron with the 13th pick. I think we will draft bpa defense. The only way we would go offense is if someone like Benson, Williams, or Edwards fell to us which isn't going to happen. I think it will be Carlos Rodgers, Antrel Rolle, Shawne Merriman, or Marcus Spears in no particular order and by who is still there at 13 of the 4.

I forgot about Pollack. He is definately a possibility.
 
Honestly, is it surprising that they have us taking Barron? We are only a few days removed from making a hardcore run at Orlando Pace and after he re-signed with the Rams, it's only logical to think that others would perceive we went after him due to need instead of us going after him because he's Orlando Pace, who is proven to be better than our status quo...
 
D-ReK said:
Honestly, is it surprising that they have us taking Barron? We are only a few days removed from making a hardcore run at Orlando Pace and after he re-signed with the Rams, it's only logical to think that others would perceive we went after him due to need instead of us going after him because he's Orlando Pace, who is proven to be better than our status quo...
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No it wouldn't but those mocks have been having the Texans taking Barron since well before the Pace ordeal. That probably only made them think they were right and so most won't even research the Texans anymore to see what we are likely to draft. I doubt NFL gm's will buy it though.
 
D-ReK said:
Honestly, is it surprising that they have us taking Barron? We are only a few days removed from making a hardcore run at Orlando Pace and after he re-signed with the Rams, it's only logical to think that others would perceive we went after him due to need instead of us going after him because he's Orlando Pace, who is proven to be better than our status quo...
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Yes, but I've been following the mock drafts here for a while:

http://www.hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

...and the overwhelming majority have had us taking Barron since January. Last year the majority had us taking Shawn Andrews until a couple of weeks before the draft when they got the message that the Texans were taking a corner.

Another thing that I have been wondering about is this, do the Texans really subscribe to the best player available draft philosophy? It seems to me that they have a few guys they target and take them where available, at least early in the draft. Later on they probably do look to go BPA with picks like Henson and Ragone. And by targeted I mean, the Texans make a list of a few guys that they want. Then they do what they have to do get a few of them, such as trading up or down. In other words I don't think they have a huge draft board (I know they have one but what I mean is they do not stick to it religiously) and mark players off one by one and simply take who they have rated the highest. Now I am not saying this is not a sound strategy, but they don't necesarrily stick to a strict BPA draft philosophy,IMO.

David Carr in '02, no brainer since they had the #1 pick.

Andre Johnson in '03, arguably BPA anyway but targeted nonetheless.

Bennie Joppru in '03, since Capers really liked him at the Senior Bowl he was a target, not necesarrily the best player regardless of position available at the time.

Seth Wand in '03, While I am no expert and I know that what we read about the upcoming draft does not necesarrily reflect what teams are thinking or seeing, I don't recall Seth as being a real hot prospect who was shooting up the boards. I could be wrong, but I think he was targeted.

Dunta Robinson in '04, while we don't know what the draft board looked like I have a hard time believing they had DeAngelo Hall above Dunta but the point is they wanted Dunta.

Jason Babin in '04, traded back into late 1st for him but he was targeted otherwise they wait until round 2 for BPA.

Glenn Earl in '04, though the Texans said he had a 2nd round grade on their board or was it the second best safety? His pick just seems to me like a targeted pick.

I don't know, anyone else have any insight or opinions here on exactly makes the Texans tick on draft day?
 
you are forgetting Williamson WR, Barnes OL... both players stocks are rising and fast. Rolle, Merriman, Spears, Barron, Johnson, Pac-Man, Benson, C. Williams, Benson, Brown, Edwards, M. Williams wont be there are 13.
 
But us taking Barron is a moot issue if he's not there, and since he's recognized as the best offensive tackle in what many say is not a strong draft, its reasonable to think he'd be gone. Gallery was #2 overall last year in what was thought to be a strong draft.
I really question why some think Barron dosen't have the upside that Gallery does: Here's some comments about Gallery last year from a Packer website:
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"Doesn’t have the unlimited potential that the NFL’s premier left tackles had when they were coming out of college, but appears to be a can’t-miss prospect as far as providing good play at a crucial position. He could easily end up playing in some Pro Bowls. “He’s just a good football player,” said former Packers General Manager Ron Wolf. “He’s not like (Orlando) Pace or (Tony) Mandarich (in the Big Ten Conference), but he’s really good.” Solidified himself as a top-five pick overall by interviewing and testing well (4.95 40, 30-inch vertical jump) at the scouting combine. “I don’t think he’s Tony Boselli by any means,” a scout said, “but he’s a damn good football player. I don’t think he’ll get past the (New York Giants) at No. 4.”
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http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/draft_1_15814103.shtml
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Gallery's workout numbers don't stack up well against Barrons 4.8 40s & 38 inch vertfical jump - clearly Barron is the better athlete.
Assuming Barron doesn't have any issues related to a shoulder injury that
concerned some, he may be atleast the prospect Gallery was because
he (Gallery) may well be someone who was way overrated, especially given
the way that he struggled to find a starting position that would allow him
some minutes on the field last year in Oakland.
 
nunusguy said:
I really question why some think Barron dosen't have the upside that Gallery does...
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I think one thing Barron has against him is that Gallery didn't win the Raiders LT spot right out of school. That's what I'm hearing ,"If Gallery can't do it, how can Barron?". But while they share many attributes, Gallery & Barron aren't the same player. Both are huge men with large frames and top athletic ability. But Gallery was relatively healthy his entire career at Iowa, while Barron had 3 major injuries at FSU. Gallery played in a run first offense, while Barron was in a shotgun spread offense.

When Gallery arrived at Oakland, the feeling was that the vet Barry Sims was the better pass blocker at that point. But it should be noted that Gallery did a good job of pass protection at RT and will likely go to LT in '05. Not many question Barron as a pass blocker (he allowed only 1 sack in '04), but there are negatives regarding his ability to adapt to the run blocking in the NFL. Since FSU mainly operates out of the shotgun, Barron is often in a 2 point stance at the snap. In the NFL, he'll need to be more familiar with working out of a 3 point stance and firing out on running plays. Is that something Barron can adapt to? Well, the Jags RG Vince Manuwai played his entire career at Hawaii in a 2 point stance, but has become a solid run blocker at the NFL level. But the fact is that teams have to project Barron's ability to do that, while Gallery was an accomplished run blocker at Iowa.

My feeling is that some may have slightly overrated Gallery last year, and have slightly underrated Barron this year. I think overall, they're close in ability. But the edge has to go to Gallery in that he was the proven run blocker and was injury free.
 
Many of the mocks had us drafting Jordan Gross in 2003. Many of them had us taking a DT last year until word got out we might go CB. Many of the mocks are merely slightly differentiated clones from other mocks.

"Hum let me take that mock and put my personal stamp on it. I can make IT better."
 
Yea I think we continue the trend and draft D first this year. We need DL badly and our D wasnt really sensational but lots of areas could see improvement. offensively we may need OL definately need TE.
 
This is the most far out and curious mock I've ever seen involving the
Texans' pick. I put it here because it involves Alex Barron. It also involves Bennie Joppru (huh!). His Mock has us trading with the Redskins so that's why
it's from their website. Hey maybe the guy really knows something that the
rest of us don't ?
http://www.hailredskins.com/Draft/AkhMock.htm
 
nunusguy said:
This is the most far out and curious mock I've ever seen involving the
Texans' pick. I put it here because it involves Alex Barron. It also involves Bennie Joppru (huh!). His Mock has us trading with the Redskins so that's why
it's from their website. Hey maybe the guy really knows something that the
rest of us don't ?
http://www.hailredskins.com/Draft/AkhMock.htm
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It must be in the Dreams of the Redskins. We are not gonna trade up for a player we dont want. We are much better off drafting williamson at 13 and trading up to get blackstock. that way we dont lose Jopru, and we just move up aboout 15 pics and all we technically lose is sharper/
 
And shoot, I really like that trade (from our point of view), but not to take Barron. If Benson, M. Williams or Johnson was there, maybe.
 
Mr Shush said:
And shoot, I really like that trade (from our point of view), but not to take Barron. If Benson, M. Williams or Johnson was there, maybe.
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Benson might slip if Travis Henry does goes through... Williams, Johnson, Edwards and all of them will be gone. I know you might not like Williamson but to me his is the best BPA for us. He can step in and help us out from day 1. Then we can move up into end of 1st round and pick up ROLB who is a good pass rusher.
 
royce1054 said:
Then we can move up into end of 1st round and pick up ROLB who is a good pass rusher.
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If we do this I would think we would target Demarcus Ware over Blackstock. Capers was at Ware's pro day workout.
 
wags said:
If we do this I would think we would target Demarcus Ware over Blackstock. Capers was at Ware's pro day workout.
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Where did you here/read about that? I'd like to see how Ware did...He is an intriguing prospect...
 
D-ReK said:
Cool...Thanks...

To royce, I was looking at Ware's NFL.Com profile, and for some reason it doesn't have positives and negatives for him...Many people haven't seen him play because he comes from such a small school...
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The only problem about playin at a small school is he doesnt face the talent that he would at a Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Tenneesee, michiagan or even USC school. I bet if he had played at one of those schools we might be talkin about him as mid teens to lower 20's pick.
 
"On March 17, ran his 40s in 4.52 and 4.53 outside on FieldTurf in 49-degree weather. That compares well to his times of 4.57 and 4.56 at the combine. Ware also did position drills. Seven teams were there to watch him, including Texans coach Dom Capers and Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan."
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From the Troy Pro Day link - that seems signifcant Capers being the only
Head Coach to attend the workout and grand total of only 7 teams sending
representatives. Everybody saw the combine but only the serious prospective buyers taking a second look ? Looks like Dom is still looking for that big time
pass rushing threat, the only question is when he finds him how much is he
willing to pay for him ?
 
Alright, I just read up a little on Ware and here's what the internet talking heads are saying Ware's strengths and weaknesses are, as interpreted by me...

Strengths
Good speed coming off of the edge...Explosive burst...Good against the run...Seemed to have his best showings in the big games, including 7 tackles and 3 sacks against Marshall...

Weaknesses
Needs to add strength...Has little to no experience as an OLB...Not sure about his coverage skills...Has trouble shedding blockers...Played in a small conference against less than stellar competition...

NFL Comparison
Jason Babin or Peter Boulware

Fun Facts
Ware was the Sun Belt Conference's Defensive Player of the Year...He desperately wanted to attend Auburn, being that he's from Auburn, AL, but they wouldn't give him a football scholarship because he was only 190 lbs, so he settled for Troy...He's now 250 lbs (I hope he's not on that Barry Bonds)...
 
to get Barron i think the texans are gonna have to move up. I dont see him lasting til 13. he is th eonly LT prospect in this draft ready to go. Barnes is athletic but needs work and Brown will likely be a RT of OG. Their is alot of RT prospect but few LT prospects and that will make Barron more valuable come draft day.
 
barron will probably last to the 13th pick because all the teams picking ahead of us have more important needs than OT...i still see us grabbing him although with all the texan brass at runningback pro days i'm not so sure casserly isn't thinking about trading up to grab benson or brown...that after he said the texans absolutely love DD
 
The Lions are the only team ahead of us who's biggest need is OT...If he gets past them, there's a good chance he slides to us...That said, I'm honestly neutral on the pick...The positives and negatives to taking him are even IMO...
 
DeMulling is an OG though, I don't think he can play at RT...They lost their starting RT to the Dolphins, and if they're serious about a playoff run, they need Barron and they need him to make a solid contribution...
 
D-ReK said:
DeMulling is an OG though, I don't think he can play at RT...They lost their starting RT to the Dolphins, and if they're serious about a playoff run, they need Barron and they need him to make a solid contribution...
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maybe.. i have heard all the arguements on alot of teams 1-18. I feel DE is their #1 need after hearing arguements.
 
D-ReK said:
DeMulling is an OG though, I don't think he can play at RT...They lost their starting RT to the Dolphins, and if they're serious about a playoff run, they need Barron and they need him to make a solid contribution...
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The Lions are going with '04 draft choice Kelly Butler at RT. Butler was a 1st day rated player before getting involved in 2 seperate incidents off campus a couple of weeks prior to the draft. The Lions picked up Butler in the 6th, and thus far has kept his nose clean.
 
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