Texecutioner
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Thoughts on Jacoby Jones
- Thread starter Daravenator
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Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
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I'm sure the typical anti gay slurs you're known for will be greatly appreciated.
I really, really wanna make a joke here, but with influx of newer members I won't. They wouldn't get my sense of humor.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
The guy sinks himself all on his own with those types of replies. It's more amusing then anything. He already did it for you.
BullBlitz
Section 331
As both teams are division winners, we will play the Ravens next year and hope Jacoby turns in some winning plays for the Ravens. I am so glad to see him, Leach and Pollard getting Rings.
ThaShark316
#28
Yall cold BLOODED around here....damn. Lol.
Nawzer
Alienz
I said this in another thread about Jacoby and I guess I'll repeat the same thing here. I am of the opinion that the Texans made the right move by letting him go due to a couple of reasons. He's a great returner and we saw that during his tenure here as a Texans but his salary didn't justify keeping him solely as a kick returner. He is a poor receiver in terms of running routes in the middle of the field. He'll once in a while catch a deep pass and show his potential, but once again not justifiable for the kind of money he was going to make as a Texan. Also, we don't have a strong armed QB like Flacco to take advantage of Jacoby's speed. We have a weak armed QB who flutters in passes and Jacoby would be wasted here. Kubiak got as much as he could out of Jacoby and things didn't work out for him here. Sometimes you go to another team and things click for some reason. I'm happy for him because he seems like a good fun loving guy, but I still think the Texans made the right move by letting him go.
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HJam72
Hall of Fame
GP
Go Texans!
I see Barney Fife is on the streets of Mayberry again.
Rounding up suspects.
Normally I'd respond to Barney's bull****. But I'll just be Andy and smile at him while I read the newspaper and let him work himself into a tizzy.
Go on, 'Barn. Let us know how it goes with the case of The Broken Window At Floyd's Barber Shop.
Rounding up suspects.
Normally I'd respond to Barney's bull****. But I'll just be Andy and smile at him while I read the newspaper and let him work himself into a tizzy.
Go on, 'Barn. Let us know how it goes with the case of The Broken Window At Floyd's Barber Shop.
GP
Go Texans!
Sometimes it takes extraordinary things to sew up the details.
Why would the Ravens snatch up Jacoby so joyfully after the guy had just been miserable for the Texans versus their own Ravens team in the playoffs last year??? Wouldn't you actually run away from a guy like JJ after having just benefited from his mistake?
The Ravens have an uncanny way of taking players who are perceived to be bad apples, in one form or another, and polishing them up to a high sheen.
Their o-coordinator was holding them back...once they figured that out, their dominance returned to form.
I expected Jacoby Jones to be a major bust. Anecdotal history suggests that was the right expectation to have of him. Even people who "wished him well" still admitted he would have a poor shot at overcoming the odds.
I think it's funny that ONE GUY here (not you, btw) makes his message board living off of roasting me for having one opinion and then changing that opinion as more details and facts emerge when the smoke clears. But that's OK, some people put blinders on and never allow themselves to have their opinion changed....no matter how wrong they are in spite of the contrary being proven to be true. That doesn't make me trash as Barney Fife would like us to believe. It means I don't walk around with one bullet in my pocket acting like I have real authority.
See what I mean? Opinions change as time goes on. New information comes along, and you go "Oh, well that's certainly not what we expected is it?" And then you lol back and think, "OK, so maybe the guy wasn't as garbage as had been proposed."
I don't think JJ is all-world. But I do think he plays better when he feels people have his back no matter what. The fans don't mean **** either; I'm talking about the other 52 on the roster and the coaches. It's possible he found a place that isn't as uptight as Texan Land is. Rey has made some points about the culture here that Gary has created, points that I think are valid and interesting in terms of how things are shaking out now.
Daravenator
Waterboy
Well, some of us have careers, family, and a Super Bowl parade to attend.
Irritate you? I thought it a legimate and serious question. Here's a guy basically run out of Houston on a rail, a guy many labeled a bust, a flop, a loser....and another team picks him up, dusts him off, and he winds up in the Pro Bowl, makes a game-tying late-second TD in a Divisional playoff, and scores two big TD's in a Super Bowl victory. And why did that happen? Why did he perform so much better in Baltimore than he did for the Texans?
Was it simply a change of scenery? Was it playing for a coach with a strong background in special teams, who saw something in him Kubiak did not? Was it mentoring by veteran players?
Seriously, how often does a guy get vilified and kicked out of town as a bum, and wind up a Pro Bowler, setting these NFL records in one year?
Longest kickoff return (108, tied)
Longest kickoff return in a Super Bowl (108)
Longest play in a Super Bowl (108)
Most all-purpose yards in a Super Bowl (289)
I do not think you have proven me wrong in any way, shape or form. The above speaks for itself.
ThaShark316
#28
The bold is what I think it was.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
Jacoby became the go to guy for us to blame when we lost. He never caught on as a wide receiver due to his horrible route running and butter fingers. So when he started screwing up on Special Teams that was his downfall. And all ravens fans know he single handedly gift wrapped 7 points for yall last season. So I doubt it had anything to do with coaching. And He still sucks at wide receiver. All he is, is a one trick pony. He probably spends 90% of his practice time on Special Teams and only 10% on Offense. Therefore letting him study coverages. We expected more of his here. A player id like to compare him to is devin hester. Who also sucked on Offense but might get into the hall of fame on his return abilities.
GP
Go Texans!
Frankly, I think it has exposed a coaching and player management problem on our team.
I had thought that he was just incapable of doing anything other than the token reception for 15 yards and occasional TD on a return every other year. The playoff game vs. Ravens last year was the last straw.
Heading into the 2011 season, I thought Jacoby was going to have it all come together in 2011 with us. I was looking at his stats in the years prior, comparing them to David Anderson who was a role player at WR for us...two guys making WR contributions off-and-on over the years. I was convinced Jacoby would solidify himself as a playmaker in 2011. When the playoff blunder occurred, it was crushing for all of us. This team had invested so many years into helping him grow each year.
I do think that he's going to have moments of blunder with the Ravens. But the player who showed up in the playoffs this year was making plays at key moments, something he never did EVER with us.
The catch vs. Denver. The performance in the Super Bowl. It doesn't take 6 years for a guy to grow up in the NFL and get it right. No, he just found a team that hd the right mix of everything: Coaching, veteran leadership (as much as people bag on Ray Lewis, he IS a good on-the-field and in-the-locker-room leader there). It all came together for Jacoby.
I never saw it coming, not gonna' lie. I was thinking he was doomed. I even thought he would be a camp cut for you guys. Wow, what a turn-around. Few saw that degree of turn-around coming during camp last summer.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Simple: He didn't perform better. His WR statistics were down across the board, his punt return statistics weren't better. The only area he performed better was kickoff duties and Jacoby didn't return kickoffs for the Texans last year. The Ravens didn't have a different Jacoby Jones this year, they have the exact same player the Texans released: a game changer that is a big risk, big reward player.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Larry Brown was a Super Bowl MVP for the Cowboys.
Every post-season has an endearing story about a guy who plays way above what he normally does to help his team to glory.
Let's talk again after a few years and see what sustainability he has.
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
THREE of the FOUR stats you're quoting....are the SAME damn play!!!! You've yet to prove yourself RIGHT. IF one game makes you the greatest player in the history of football Larry Brown of the Dallas Cowboys should be in Canton right now getting fitted for a gold jacket and a ring...OH WAIT...he had one great Superbowl against a MEDIOCRE Steeler QB who threw him three interceptions in less than 5 minutes. Don't start preparing Judas for enshrinement in the Hall of Fame just yet.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Do you know what Jacoby did with the other five kickoff returns in the game?
Averaged 23 yards per return, and because he took all of them out of the end zone, gave his team average starting field position at their own 21. He never got the ball past the 28 yard line.
Home runner hitters usually have a high strike out ratio...
Vance87
All Pro
Hahaha...that's exactly what I thought
First of all sir congratulations on your team! They played with heart and they truly wanted to win it all! And I am very happy that Jacoby Jones has worked out well for you guys, although I for one am not surprised that it happened.
To answer your first question, Jacoby had issues dropping passes, but he has always had the ability to be a big playmaker. Unfortunately, the Texans fanbase saw his mistakes that sometimes happened (it wasn't like he was the only one screwing up out there) as "the" biggest problem on the team so he was considered public enemy #1 here in Houston. Jacoby didn't handle that well, which made matters worse and likely affected his play. The fumble against the Ravens was the final nail in the coffin. Even though T. J. Yates threw up INT after INT later in the game (including the one very late in the 4th quarter), there are many in Houston that amazingly believe that Jones' mistake early in the 1st quarter single handedly costed the Texans the game.
He needed to be somewhere where every move he made wasn't instantly criticised! He found that with the Ravens. With all of the day to day criticism lifted, he was able to step his game up, and now he and the Ravens have their 2nd SB ring! So in a way, Ravens fans owe it to the critical Texan fans, because you guys might not have the new rings right now had Jacoby not been ran out of Houston.
As for your 2nd question, if Jacoby had stayed in Houston he would not have a ring right now, because we now know for sure that the Texans' issues preventing them from reaching the big game were/are FAR FAR bigger than anything Jacoby ever did!
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Sometimes that's what it takes for some people to get it. Perhaps in Jacoby's situation that is what happened, perhaps not.
You have got to watch him for one year, we had four. He had his opportunities here and did not capitalize on them. A lot of people were expecting him to have a break out year at some point, it never happened. he had a problem with dropping punts while he was here, which came to a climax in last years playoff game (Ravens). For many that was the "nail in the coffin" as far as his career in Houston was concerned. I doubt there were to many that were surprised when he became a salary cap cut, even if they did want him to stay.
I can personally say that when ever I saw him going to catch a punt I was worried he would drop it, every time. My family got to calling him 50/50 Jones because we never knew. We also knew that he could break one and take it the house, but the fumbles seemed to be hurting the Texans more than the kick returns were helping.
However, none of these means that the Texans know what they are doing on special teams right now.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Jacoby on SI cover, dope
BullBlitz
Section 331
That is awesome. Good for him. I really enjoyed watching Jacoby have a good season. The only disappointing thing was that he didn't have a good game vs the Texans.
Maybe next year, with the game in Baltimore, he will. I, for one, will be pulling for him.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
Why would you want him to have a good game against the texans? :kubepalm:
handswarmer
Rookie
Maybe, just maybe, getting cut/released/whaever by the Texans FORCED JJ to grow the heck up and mature in to a total player.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
He didnt mature or grow into anything. He's still the butter hands and occasional homerun Player he was when he was with us. The stats say it all. He bobbled multiple punt returns as well Sunday. If a 49er would have been their to blast him either time, it would have been a whole different outcome.
BullBlitz
Section 331
That is certainly the version that the Texans would have you believe, because it relieves them of the responsibility of not having coached him and their special teams, as well as the embarrassment of releasing a player who went on to score two Super Bowl TDs the following season.
The fact is that Jacoby was no rookie. He was the virtually the same NFL-experienced player in 2011 as he was in 2012. The difference was that the Ravens were able to coach both Jacoby, and the special teams surrounding him, to be more effective against the opposition than the Texans were.
handswarmer
Rookie
I stayed home with the a sick daughter and watched on TV....
handswarmer
Rookie
But they weren't so your point is invalid.
handswarmer
Rookie
I said the same things in another thread about him....
Kubiak said, “He did everything I asked. I wish him the very best. I think a new start is best for him. I told him to put a smile on his face, get a new start and kick some butt in his new job.”= Mission accomplished
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
Bill I'm still waiting for hear of his vugging off and dying...but that's just me.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
You'd pretty much have to get a player to kick Kubiak in the nuts for him to say anything bad about them, and then he would still probably follow up with a "but he's a good kid".
Listen, Jacoby had two AMAZING plays in the Super Bowl and one against Denver. He clearly contributed to the success of the Ravens in the playoffs. I don't think anyone here is denying that.
Having the biggest game of his career in the Super Bowl was the best thing that could have ever happened to him.
I think people are more taking issue with phrasing like "coached up", "turned the corner" and "at the next level" when referring to what he did for Baltimore versus what he did for the Texans. He actually had worse punt return and receiving stats this year in the regular season, and outside of those three plays in the playoffs, was pretty much a non-factor.
If anything, especially if you look at the immediate success that Holliday had in Denver after being cut by the Texans, his success is more indicative of a better scheme from the 10 guys blocking in front of him than about any "next level" steps that he took as an individual.
For the last three years, Lardarius Webb and David Reed have had essentially the same return stats from an average yard perspective, and between the two of them were giving one return TD a year. What Jacoby did looks like more because he handled both duties instead of splitting them.
The only difference between what Jacoby gave the Ravens this year, compared to the last three years with Webb/Reed, were two more return TD's. Not saying that is something small, but it would appear that the Ravens special team unit is very much plug-and-play like the old Broncos running backs.
AJ-80
Waterboy
Jacoby's enlightening thoughts on the parade....pretty funny actually
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiBd9gnygM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiBd9gnygM
handswarmer
Rookie
Red fumbled alot and made poor decisions in he return game. Webb returning kicks put him at risk as a starting corner
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Give it a season or 2 and you will see what we saw, looks good the first year or two, but it wont last.
No, he was the exact same player he was in Houston. His receiving stats in Baltimore this year were his lowest since 2008. His return ability has never changed, he still can be an explosive player in the return game, and he was for us. He had quite a bit of his good returns nullified here because of our horrible ST unit and coach. He did NOT perform better in Baltimore than he did here. He had a great SB, no one is going to deny that, but it won't change the fact that he did not magically get better when going to Baltimore. Kubiak/Marciano trained him to focus more on not making mistakes, Harbaugh I definitely think believed in him more and just told him to just GO. Still does not change that he did not get better in Baltimore.
Yes, it does seem like you were trying to irritate us. Posting a question in the wrong section of the forum the day after he was a big factor in you winning the Super Bowl, and then thanking us for letting him go(maybe that was not you). Do you expect us to not be bitter about that? And congrats on the SB parade you got to attend, you still disappeared after some people proved that he didn't just have a magical turnaround.