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This Sunday may be Carrs last.
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Bamaborn-Texasbred
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The only thing I am becoming more and more certain of is that Kubiak is using this season to figure out who is still going to be here next year. You keep hearing role playing players say things like, "you have to take advantage of your oppurtunities." This must be something they hear from the coaching staff on a daily basis.
My take on this season is this: it is a gigantic preseason for the 2007 regular season. Produce this year or else. That goes for everyone from the lowest man on the practice squad to David Carr himself.
My take on this season is this: it is a gigantic preseason for the 2007 regular season. Produce this year or else. That goes for everyone from the lowest man on the practice squad to David Carr himself.
R
real
Guest
If Kubiak viewed the season like that I would lose a lot of respect for him...
GP
Go Texans!
Douglas,
I have to admit that I am in agreement with yor post.
You and I have sparred quite a bit in the past. Lately though, I am right there with you on your takes.
Nice post.
I think the benching only works like you had theorized IF Kubiak will also bench other high-profile players (Andre Johnson, for example) who fail to accomplish the "small things" such as catching a ball placed right into your hands with no defensive contact whatsoever.
I would have preferred for Andre Johnson to also be benched, even if it meant our chances of coming back diminish even more. Yes, the Carr benching was designed to send s ignal to Carr...and hopefully to the o line, IMO.
But Kubiak better go ahead and prepare himself to bench a few more if you ask me. The more the merrier. Show 'em that nobody is safe. Ever.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
I am amazed some people think Andre Johnson should have been benched since Carr was benched.
Football players, and human beings for that matter, are going to make mistakes. The key is, does a player provide enough plays that makes it more valuable to have them on the field than sitting them on the bench.
Andre Johnson has had some bad drops this year and last year. I don't think anyone will say he hasn't dropped some easy balls and most agree it is something he needs to work on. But, even with those drops, he is more valuable on the field with his mistakes because he can still make big plays to overcome those mistakes. That is my point here.
Carr on the other hand is a completely different issue in that regard. Carr can put up decent stats of about 22 completions out of 30 attempts for about 200 yards, maybe a TD or two. However, if he throws a pick or loses a fumble, his value to the team greatly diminishes. If the Texans get behind early because the offense can't score points, his play is greatly diminished as well because he really doesn't have the IT factor to execute the offense quickly to score quality points to win the game by coming from behind.
A victory with Carr as the QB means the defense needs to hold the other team to about 10 points through 3 quarters and Carr needs to have no turnovers. Otherwise, the game is probably going to get out of hand.
Carr's biggest problem isn't his mistakes, but that he just doesn't make the BIG plays to compensate for his mistakes. Most starting QBs and some backups could get the same stats Carr gets in this offense. But not many QBs in the league can make the BIG plays though to overcome their mistakes.
It looks to be becoming very clear that Carr is probably just an average QB at best. I say average at best, because he needs a low scoring game with no mistakes to win a game and I really haven't seen anything that he can win a shoot out on any given day.
Hey, Buddy, you are in some serious trouble now!!!.....you forgot to mention the OL in the same post as Carr...for shame!
GiantsJunkie
Practice Squad
THANKS AND GOOD LUCK ALL!
Once Carr makes a mistake he gets rattled and is unable to get un-rattled. It is like some kind of grim spiral he goes into - one mistake begets another mistake as he tries to compensate and make the big play to recover from the first mistake. He gets more uptight, starts forcing plays, doesn't see the field and can't seem to forget the mistake and move on... for whatever reasons. Andre and other players seem to be able to screw up once, yet they appear to forget the little error and continue to make other plays. David isn't like that.
Once David learns to make a mistake, forget it, start over with the next play - he will be ok - not great - but good. I've often said that Kubiak needs to call a time out and give David a paper bag to breathe into or a valium or something to calm him down.
I hope that can be taught, but I'm not a coach and I don't know. I do know that I'm going to be in the stands Sunday and I wish folks would stop talking about snow - I don't do snow.
A lot of people have him pegged as a Trent Dilfer type QB (who he's good friends with, btw). Put a good, solid team around him, with a dominant defense, and he can probably be consistent enough to not lose games. Dilfer has a ring, so this isn't a slam on either QB. I just don't see Carr as the type of player in the vein of the 'greats', who can raise everyone around them to play better and often take games to new levels by their sheer willpower.
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
But you surround the Lad with talented 'consistent' people, and you're talking about a horse of a different color.
He definitely has the 'skill set' to be at the front of your higher level QB's, but the support he's had with mediocre running and numerous dropped passes has presented him as a easy target.
Present the opposition with formidable weapons, that are 'consistent', and he's in a different class altogether.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Since last season, we have added Kubiak and Sherman as coaches. Also, Moulds was brought in as a quality 2nd receiver and Daniels looks to be pretty good pass catching tight end.
How much more help does Carr need to at least get this team .500?
How much more held does Carr need for the offense to score a TD on the road in the first half?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Maybe an average to good offensive line would help?
Hahahahahahaha!
Gee, ya think?
Of course, some say Carr sacks himself way too much. Actually, a lot of people say that.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Interesting take on the situation. I said well before the preseason that Carr had no future in Houston based on the fans. Now lets add to that what Kubiak has done.
To begin with Kubiak has taught Carr how to do some things such as how to handle the ball and do a better play fake. I've said from the beginning that Carr was and never has been skilled at handing off the ball. His forte plain and simple is the pass. That skill has been buried in the dirt of Reliant Stadium.
Has Kubiak improved the O-line?
Has Kubiak improved the Running game?
Has Kubiak allowed David to stretch the field?
Did Kubiak call the same plays when Sage was playing?
The answer to all of the above is no and I really do wonder what Kubiak is trying to do. Kubiak's game management leaves a lot to be desired. In the last 2 minutes before the half in the last game, he called Capers like plays. We know we are going to have the ball to start the 2nd half and yet we do not take a shot at the end zone. A deep intercepted pass is the same as a punt and probably a lot less close to the end zone and probably a lot less dangerouse as far as a return is concerned. The Titans would have sat on the ball given they had a lead and a young QB. That was the way Fisher was playing the game. At least they would have had to go one heck of a lot further than they did when the fumble occurred.
To be honest I have found very little to be happy about with Kubiak's play calling. I think a lot of us thought he would be a dynamic caller. At this point I would love to see Carr call a game on his own. If he is to go down in flames it might as well be at his own hands. The two times Carr has been his own play caller we have done well.
What is so great about Kubiak's play calling. Manning calls his own plays - some of you question that - but he does and nobody over rules him. I'm still an old time fan who believes the QB as general should call his plays. Whether its Carr or Sage I believe they should call their plays. Kubiak has no feel for the game on the field. He is not standing in the shoes of the QB even though he has been one. He doesn't see what the O-line is doing or feeling. Only the QB in the huddle is able to quiz and knows what is happening. He alone can help his line by calling plays to assist and take advantage of what the other team is doing. Kubiak is trying to micro manage like so many coaches do and he's screwing up this team. LEAVE THE PLAY CALLING TO THE QB's.......
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Time for the inevitable "Manning does not call his own plays. He just has lots of choices for audibles." post.
I think we should just let the players take turns calling plays. Heck, let the defense call the O plays and the offense call the D plays. Eventually, we might find somebody that can call plays. Maybe we could have call-ins and let the fans call the plays.
This is not a joke. I'm being very serious here.
I think we should just let the players take turns calling plays. Heck, let the defense call the O plays and the offense call the D plays. Eventually, we might find somebody that can call plays. Maybe we could have call-ins and let the fans call the plays.
This is not a joke. I'm being very serious here.
What if I told you I can see on my recorded game, at least 3 possible TDs David could have thrown, AJ or Molds open in the middle of the field, with the safety coming down to cover the TE(who had been killing them) or covering the other WR??
But David instead elected to throw the underneath route??
What if I told you on two of those three missed opportunities David had a beautiful pocket to work from??
If CoachK was calling better plays for Sage..... what could be some possible reasons??
GP
Go Texans!
Hmmmmmmmmm.........
You make it sound like David HASN'T made big plays.
He's got four or five or even more big, nasty d linemen and LBs coming after him on every play...as opposed to Andre who is one-on-one with a DB, maybe doubled sometimes at best, and you're saying that Andre has made more big plays than Carr?
Just the fact that David is still playing after Capers' mishandling of the entire team is Carr's biggest achievement. The guy has probably made as many 3rd down conversions on his own by running head first for the 1st down marker as Aj has...and let's not even discuss how many times on a 3rd down we've had an o linemen false start or hold and then push us back to longer yardage for the 1st down. David is facing almost impossible odds before the ball's even snapped IMO. Guys like Brady and Manning have the benefit of knowing that they are surrounded by more competent role players than what we have. What a luxury for those guys to know that the other guys will coe up clutch or even just perform adequately enough to get the yards needed, etc. What a concept. And you know what, look at this year's draft class: We're on our way, baby!
Face it, Carr's the the guy people love to hate. It's always the QB's fault. And especially if they look like a poster-child QB. That's a double-whammy right there. How many times do we see Carr's "looks" enter the equation of analysis around here?
There's enough blame to pass around for our bad games. And there's plenty of praise to pass around for our good games. No one man does it all.
And that's why I'm torqued about a guy who DROPPED two consecutive 3rd down passes that were (1) Each practically placed into his hands, and (2) With no bone-crushing Dback putting contact on him at the time the passes were in range of his hands.
What's so hard to understand that Andre killed two straight drives all by himself? Everyone else on the offense did their job: Blocked, Allowed David/Sage the time to throw, David/Sage MADE the throw(s) and made them NICE, and AJ drops them.
It's not as outlandish as it sounds to bench AJ. This was not HIS first time to dummy up and drop a well-thrown pass that killed drives.
Look, if he does it on first down...that's one thing. But I want to go back and start looking at all the drives HE has killed all by himself for dropping nice passes. It's more than 2, I know THAT.
Like I said, I'm an "Equal Benching Opportunity" provider. It's a 53-man roster, and now that Kubiak has made the big kill in terms of benching the starting QB...I'd like to see some others get a cooling off period if they kill drives or make completely useless non-plays on the field, especially if the player grades out to be a Pro Bowler like AJ.
That includes Lundy who tripped on the grass. If he continues to do that on the ONE screen pass that we seem to call per game, then it's the same deal as AJ dropping passes.
Not disputing that Carr didn't miss some plays but what recorded angle do you have which shows the whole field. Maybe you do, but I don't. And I believe the TE started killing them after David left. JMO
Texan Asylum
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Agreed...but everyone, including us homers, knew that it'd be the second half of the season before we'd start seeing the real results.
I made BOLD predictions early on, but that's just the natural cheerleader in me. I secretly hoped that those wishes would come true, but realistically, how quick did you REALLY expect to see the results you were hoping for?
The second half will yield the impact of all the changes made to date.
I'm with you on this Hollywood!
We all can use some P-A-Y-O-F-F!
GP
Go Texans!
Answer:
1. He needs his o line to stop false starting to open up a drive, pushing him into a 15-yard hole. Isn't always so nice that we somehow get 5 yards back on the first play...when we could then have a 2nd and 5....but noooooo, we're back to 10 yards needed and only two plays left.
2. He needs the blindside to be better protected.
3. He needs a running game, which it looks like it's warming up and ready to be consistent now. The first few games had zero running game. Now that we have one, it needs to stay here.
4. He needs Chad Stanley to try a directional punt to pin good returners against a sideline and not give said returner a wide variety of escape routes. And some consistency from Chad would be great, too. He's such a good punter and we brag on his hang time...but where was it on the Pac Man TD return? Nowhere, and it turned out to be yet another tremendous joy kill for our team.
5. He needs AJ to CATCH 3rd down passes, especially the ones that are PLACED in his hands with no contact coming. Seems a reasonably easy one to achieve if you ask me.
6. He needs other people to handle their business in terms of things like 12 men in the huddle. Come on, now...that's junior high stuff right there, isn't it? Is it too much to ask millionaire superstars and coaches to count to eleven? Once again, it puts him at a distinct disadvantage before the ball's even snapped.
Should I go on?
It's not so much that I think David is perfect. He isn't. But let's be a little balanced here in terms of understanding that the whole team is just now resembling a real NFL franchise for the first time.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Strangely enough the biggest juggle I firmly believe was by Daniels which took away a big 3rd down conversion and we punted the ball away. The next series is when Young scored the touchdown. I said at the time - I have stated serveral times - there's the ball game and it was. People say 1 play does not make a game, but often it does. That one play changed the momentum forever in the game.
I know I'm at odds with many of you, but I do no longer see the greatness in Kubiak. He's no different than Capers. He calls the same kind of plays and you see it at the end of the 1st half if we have the ball. There is no imagination in the play calling.
I know I'm at odds with many of you, but I do no longer see the greatness in Kubiak. He's no different than Capers. He calls the same kind of plays and you see it at the end of the 1st half if we have the ball. There is no imagination in the play calling.
I understand that as long as Carr wears a Texan uniform his claim to fame will be the excuses made for his poor/mediocre play on the field. I'm convinced that no matter 'how perfect' everything could be on the field for David that--if he still continued to be a so-so QB--his followers would find/make an excuse for him. However, with 'everything perfect' around him--best OL/TE/WR/RB/COACHES/PLAYBOOK/PLAYCALLING/GAME PLANNING/ADJUSTMENTS TO GAME PLANNING/TEAMMATES ATTITUDE/FANS/FLAVOR OF GATORADE,etc.--there might still be a few 'things' that could not be made 'perfect' for Carr, like the weather/peace in the world/return on his investments so, the question remains---would David be able to play at a 'higher' level?...or would the excuses remain.
And, finally--and certainly the most unfair/possibly unlawful--WHY IS DAVID CARR THE ONLY NFL QB WITHOUT EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY 'PERFECT' AROUND HIM??? IS this a conspiracy?:brickwall
And, finally--and certainly the most unfair/possibly unlawful--WHY IS DAVID CARR THE ONLY NFL QB WITHOUT EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY 'PERFECT' AROUND HIM??? IS this a conspiracy?:brickwall
Wolf
100% Texan
Carr has become the new "Chris Palmer" on this board.
Carr will continue to be scrutenized until we start winning which sorry folks, won't be until 2007 (if we have a good draft) or 2008.
defense has to shored up. Offensive line needs some tweaks.
Carr needs another season under Kubiak to improve
Carr will continue to be scrutenized until we start winning which sorry folks, won't be until 2007 (if we have a good draft) or 2008.
defense has to shored up. Offensive line needs some tweaks.
Carr needs another season under Kubiak to improve
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
If Carr were making 1.6 million dollars there would not be much discussion about him, because that is right about where his value is on the team, with potential upside, in my opinion.
As I have said in the past I do not hate Carr, I hate his contract.
As I have said in the past I do not hate Carr, I hate his contract.
on some plays, where they show the replay of several Angles..... Earlier in this thread, where IBar is talking about Daniels juggling the ball, I believe that is the same play.
We emptied the backfield, and we have 5 recievers in play. Carr has plenty of time on this play.
The first angle on this play shows Owen releasing to the right..... then you lose sight of him, and you see a safety coming to get him way late..... but from this angle, it looks like the safety starts to follow him as the ball is thrown. When the camera moves to catch Owen, you see Andre across the middle, no safety on top, and the corner trailing him. If the ball is put ahead of him, where he can catch it without breaking stride, he would have caught it some where around the Tenn 45, and ran it in for a touchdown unless someone could catch him........ maybe PacMan as he was in the vicinity covering Walter.
After Owen bobbles a perfect pass from David, you can see the safety & other corner coming down as if they had covered Moulds on a go route up the left sideline.
But when they show the replay from the defensive side of the ball, you can see ChrisHope is on the right side of the field. & Carr is looking to the right, most likely at Moulds, then AJ......... from this angle, the right is Carr's left. Then he looks at Owen who just came off a block, and proceeded to the right.
Chris Hope was lined above Owen, and covered him when Owen went to the right. I don't know if Chris covered him because he was an open reciever, or because he saw David's eyes... But he was way too late to cover Daniels, and Daniels would have had an easy catch.. plus some yards.
IMHO Andre was far enough behind Hope, that Carr could've thrown the ball over the top relatively easy..... but when he moved to cover Owen, he could've thrown that ball anywhich way he wanted to to get it to AJ.
BUt Owen was killing the defense from start to finish. He didn't get all 99 yards when Sage came into the game.
I thought Carr must be punishing AJ for dropping so many balls, because he was going to Owen like he used to go to AJ..... & Owen was taking advantage of it.
OUt of curiousity...... can you tell me how many times we've been called for a false start this year??
How many times has Salaam been called for a false start this year??
If I were to tell you that Salaam has not been called for a false start this year, in any game other than last Sunday's game against Tennessee, would it be fair to say that Salaam had a bad game, and we don't bench players for having one bad game??
If I were to tell you that David fumbled the football in 3 of our previous games(Indy, Washington, Miami), & avg'd one fumble/game before the season started, would it be fair to say this is chronic behavior?? & needs to be taken care of??
Can you see how these are two totally different situations??
What if I told you he only got hit twice from the left side?? and 8 times from the center & right side of the line??
foul..... we were running the ball well against Indy(we rushed for 100 yards...) even though someone singlehandedly spotted the Colts 10 points off his fumbles(one fumble was an unforced fumble) and we played Catch-up from the first snap(almost.....) becuase of wonder-boys acute fumblitis....
Special teams have been lights out for us this year.....
When AJ has to turn around backwards, or dives down to get a ball, even though his hands are all around the ball, doesn't mean that the ball was placed in his hands.
& I gaurantee you he's caught more on third downs behind the sticks, and had to make a big play to pick up our first down, than he has dropped on third down beyound the sticks.
it puts who at a disadvantage?? David wasn't even in the game, and Sage threw a 10 yard touchdown to Andre Johnson(beautiful acrobatic catch) 4 plays later, including a "drive killing" false start by YKW.
Lets.......
& when certain parts don't fit, we get rid of them. Buch.... gone, Wade, Brown, Riley, Wand.... gone. Walker.. gone
Lundy fumbles the ball on the Inianapolis 16 yard line. Inactive for 3 games.
David fumbles on the Hou 16 & Hou 26 of the same game...... slap on the hand.
David fumbles on the Hou 42, Hou 29, & the Washington 46...... slap on the hand.
David fumbles on the Mia 45(not his fault, ball was stripped)....... slap on the hand.
David fumbles on the Hou 46(returned for a touchdown with 18 seconds left in the half), & the Tenn 26..... benched for 1.5 Qtrs.......
seems pretty fair to me.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
While the contract may be your main point and it gets mentioned (along with hair, smiling, when he uses we vs. I, etc.) folks will always concentrate on the QB. If Carr was playing for league minimum the references to salary would be akin to "why do we have a garage sale pretty boy" instead of "why do we have a Needless Markups pretty boy."
Nobody was criticizing Carr until the Tennessee game, even though he botched the Dallas game & the Indy game almost single handedly.
Lets put this in perspective, Carr will get the same free pass everyone else is getting as long as he looks competent. Hell, he doesn't even need to look competent as along as we aren't playing Vince's team.
R
real
Guest
A lot of people weren't bashing the guy...but I didn't see a lot of praise either...I saw a lot of comments that said he was playing "o.k"....or that Carr wasn't the problem....But I didn't see a lot of jubilation over his play either...
I believethis will be his best game as a pro, and I BELIEVE that we beat the Giants in NY.
On the road, cold, windy, coming off an awful performance, facing a great D-line, Kiwanuka hungry, Strahan doing stupid jump shots, Lundy running well... I think Carr will be managing this game with few opportunities to fail or excel... unless Kubiak wants to treat this as a sink or swim game with aggressive playcalling.
I think Carr's stats will be mainly affected by Lundy's ability to catch the ball out of the backfield and his ability to hit Daniels and AJ in the redzone. I see a smashmouth slugfest coming. I think Carr's performance will be judged on whether we win or lose... the defense/Eli turnovers (13 on the year) will keep us in the game.
DRAMA
Rookie
I agree with you.... I honestly don't think of people as Carr bashers if they come with a solid argument.
The thing is it's hard to identify the intangibles as...well, tangible evidence. I mean, I hear guys on the radio talking about, "If Carr throws for 250 and 2 TD's..." yeah, ok - I'd love that too. However, it's not that. It's like Steve Francis when he was here. He avg'd 20-5-5. WOW! Those are GREAT numbers but the fact is Steve never 'got it.' He was selfish and made too many 'boneheaded' mistakes that were crucial to winning. You could look at Steve in boxscore and say it wasn't his fault because the numbers look good. However, if you really watched the game, you saw how many times he DIDN'T drop it down to Yao wide open, how many times he crossed over the guy and had him beat only to wait for the guy to get his composure and let him know he beat him, how many times he showed off his dribbling skills only to lose the ball off his foot, etc...
Again, I like Carr but the fumble have got to stop, the comfortability in the pocket MUST get better, the 'feel' of the game MUST improve. Why do I have to keep hearing about how Kubiak 'WORKS WITH QB's and brings them along..." So what!!!?? :brickwall We have a QB that already HAS that intangible. He's already a QB who makes the reads and is comfortable in the pocket and knows how to feel the game out. Again, I'm not saying that Sage is the BEST QB ever....not saying that at all. What I'm saying is I don't need the head coach to 'bring along a QB' when there's already one on the team NOW. Enough of the 'genius QB coach' talk - play the best players or at least identify who may be young future starters and play them no matter what.
Coach, I don't mind if we lose as long are we're doing everything we can. I understand that this is an evaluation period - this year. It's ok. But if you're the genius that we all actually think you may be, then let's get past this QB situation THIS YEAR! Do not let this linger into next year...that would be disastrous. I'm sorry that David has had bad protection his first 5 years - I'm sorry for David and the team but the fact is we STILL have a team, we're STILL trying to become a winner, and we're STILL making excuses. Trading David may be a mistake but it's a mistake I'm willing to try because standing pat has simply not worked - despite the smile, despite the character, despite the players, and despite the passer rating numbers this year.
What is our PLAN for the future? Is DC seriously the mental rock to take us there? If he's not, which most 'feel' he's not, then make a decision.
Texanfan4ever
Rookie
I believe
I BELIEVE!!!! But I don't think I can watch....
GP
Go Texans!
What you've done is made sure that you've built Carr up to be the problem and thus exonerate everyone else.
At least I am consistent.
You, on the other hand, prior to the draft, had said that Carr was "Your boy" and that you had his back.
Then, most of the summer you relentlessly bashed him. Then, when it was pointed out to you that you were inconsistent on your views, you admitted it and then swung back to backing Carr again.
And now?
Now you're back to an obvious "David's the problem" stance. Salaam was just as much at fault for last Sunday as Carr. As was Weigert. As was AJ dropping much-needed 3rd down passes, even allowing one to bounce in the air and get intercepted. As was Stanley for (1) No hang time and (2) No directional punt to pin the guy against a sideline and limit his escape route choices. As was an awful playcalling scenario just before half that looked bizarre to say the least...it was a disaster waiting to happen. As was 12 men in the huddle.
See where I am going?
I ADMIT DAVID SHOULD BE BENCHED.
But YOU don't admit that annnnnnnnybody else should also be benched for poor performance. I'm talking about poor performance in terms of the BASICS of football. The BASICS. The rest of the team has its fair share of poor performers and all I want to see is Kubiak follow up his benching of Carr with more benchings when people continue to fail to do the basics.
AJ has been plagued by drops. Period. There's no getting around that. But it gets overlooked because he catches TDs. Well, somebody is THROWING those TDs to him, right? Therefore, it's a two-sided coin here: We need to spread around the culpability a little when it's called for.
It was called for last Sunday, IMO. And that has people angry at me because I dare say it. Too bad.
"Nobody was criticizing Carr until the Tennessee game, even though he botched the Dallas game & the Indy game almost single handedly. "
Until the Titans played well and almost beat Indy and did beat the Skins (teams that 'blew' the Texans out), this Tenn/Hou game was on 'everyone's' list of teams we'd beat-hands down-this year. Along with the Raiders, there was no way we'd lose this game--Vince Young or not. We were coming off our best performance of the year with our victory over the Jags, and the Titans were in our 'sights' like a startled deer....
David should have been 'all over' the Titans-not only putting up his best #'s of the year so far-but, more importantly, leading us to a win. Instead, Carr 'laid an egg' and it certainly wasn't golden...
We expected to get beat by the Colts and the Cowboys so-despite his 'less than spectacular' performances against them- we didn't blame Carr. The Titan loss, coupled with Carr's abysmal effort, was not...and was not in a big way an 'expected/accepted' loss.
VY vs Mario? No. VY vs DC? Yes. In this game and maybe just for this game so far, Young showed he has 'it'- whatever it takes to win. No. he didn't have 'great' stats.' But, while throwing for a TD and running for a TD, he showed what many on the board 'suspected' all along...
'Crunch time?' 'Any time?' In Carr, we-as fans-don't know from one game to the next 'which' DC will show up and--we've never seen Carr have a 'lights out' game of 400+ yds or 4+ TDs- so it's not like IMO we're being unreasonable to expect a 'little' more from David...rise to the 'occasion.'
JMO, but we-as fans-only have so much left in the 'gas tank' for Carr. He is going to have to do whatever he has to do to 'get' out of himself whatever he has in his 'heart and soul' to 'elevate' his play on the field. Personally, I don't believe Carr is a 'crunch time QB,'...i.e., the QB you want to have on the field with the ball in his hands on the final drive of the game, hoping to score the winning TD...but, he should--after 4+ years--be able to be a consistent QB on the field who doesn't make the same mistakes over and over and over.... :brickwall 
Until the Titans played well and almost beat Indy and did beat the Skins (teams that 'blew' the Texans out), this Tenn/Hou game was on 'everyone's' list of teams we'd beat-hands down-this year. Along with the Raiders, there was no way we'd lose this game--Vince Young or not. We were coming off our best performance of the year with our victory over the Jags, and the Titans were in our 'sights' like a startled deer....
David should have been 'all over' the Titans-not only putting up his best #'s of the year so far-but, more importantly, leading us to a win. Instead, Carr 'laid an egg' and it certainly wasn't golden...
We expected to get beat by the Colts and the Cowboys so-despite his 'less than spectacular' performances against them- we didn't blame Carr. The Titan loss, coupled with Carr's abysmal effort, was not...and was not in a big way an 'expected/accepted' loss.
VY vs Mario? No. VY vs DC? Yes. In this game and maybe just for this game so far, Young showed he has 'it'- whatever it takes to win. No. he didn't have 'great' stats.' But, while throwing for a TD and running for a TD, he showed what many on the board 'suspected' all along...
'Crunch time?' 'Any time?' In Carr, we-as fans-don't know from one game to the next 'which' DC will show up and--we've never seen Carr have a 'lights out' game of 400+ yds or 4+ TDs- so it's not like IMO we're being unreasonable to expect a 'little' more from David...rise to the 'occasion.'
JMO, but we-as fans-only have so much left in the 'gas tank' for Carr. He is going to have to do whatever he has to do to 'get' out of himself whatever he has in his 'heart and soul' to 'elevate' his play on the field. Personally, I don't believe Carr is a 'crunch time QB,'...i.e., the QB you want to have on the field with the ball in his hands on the final drive of the game, hoping to score the winning TD...but, he should--after 4+ years--be able to be a consistent QB on the field who doesn't make the same mistakes over and over and over....
:brickwall
Yeah, I tried, but I couldn't do it. All this David is having a great year crap, and he only had one bad game.... there was one game, I think it was Washington where someone said we'd have won a game by then if the rest of the team would play as well as David. and all this our passing game is working, if only we had a rushing game........ 220 yards isn't working.... it's barely functioning.. it's sputtering. when we get 380 yards of offense, and only 40 yards rushing, then we can say, "Man if only our rushing game was as good as our passing game."
I will say that I honestly want Carr to succeed. But it bothers me when people ignore his problems. They blame the Indy game & the Washington Game on our defense...... our offense couldn't stay on the field..... Carr gave them 10 points, and lundy gave them 7... how you going to blame our defense??
They say we couldn't force a three & out..... but we forced two 3 & outs int he first half of the Washington game... & then it's like, "well we didn't force a 3 & out in the second half"....
this week alone, I've bashed Carr, when I thought he needed to be bashed, I've given him props when I thought he deserved props........
That is where the problem is..... through all my Carr bashing, I've never said Carr was the problem. I've never said we lost games, because Carr did this, or didn't do that.
Just like above, I said Carr gave Indy 10 points, which he did...... but I didn't say we lost that game because of Carr. There were other things that did/didn't happen that lead to the loss.... but Carr's finger is in the pot, just like everyone elses.
no,no, no......... hell no.
Salaam has given up one hit on David in the last three games. David has turned the ball over in 2 of the last three...... WTF are you talking about??
We've played 7 games this year. in 5 of those 7 games, we can point to David as a part of the reason for at least one turnover that led directly to points on the opponents board. I can't say the same for any other player, unless we go so far as to say Wiegart let this guy hit David 2 plays before he threw that interception.
Everybody drops balls...... just like every QB overthrows a ball. If you want to count all of AJs mistakes, and Count all of Carr's mistakes..... we'd have to wonder why Carr is still on this team. We can even go David's mistakes vs the WRs & David's # will be far more than theirs.......
it's like that on every team, do you know why?? because the QB has more opportunity to mess up than any other player on the field.
If AJ caused a turnover because of his brick hands in 5 of the 7 games we've played, or if he is fumbling the ball as he's trying to juke 4 tacklers because David threw him the ball on the wrong side of the 1st down marker, I gaurantee you AJ would not be on this team. There wouldn't be no benching, or inactive period. Aj would be gone.
That's not why we are angry with you.........
What??????
I guess I need definitions for Salaam, one, hit, David, three, last, and games.
DRAMA
Rookie
Salaam only gave up one hit on David against Tennessee.
four false starts, one hit on David.
Now there was one hit, that came from the left, as Owen was trying to fight off the DE.... Salaam came over late to help, but I wouldn't blame Salaam because Owen couldn't hold his guy for a second.
Are you saying:
last three games = Tennessee
and
hit = sack?
Salaam's man hit Carr several times just after release of the ball and a few times just after someone else's man hit him.
Salaam is not playing aywhere near the level you are trying to credit him for.
No that's not true.......
yes he is.
I'm not the only one who rewatches the games.... I'd love for anyone to confirm or deny what I've said. But.. the only time Salaam's man hit David in the Tennessee game was on the sack by KVB, when David fumbled the ball before the end of the half..... Salaam's man got there right after.
There is another play where Owen is trying to block the DE, Salaam is on a double with Pitts, and comes to help Owen, but by the time he gets there, it was too late.
There were many hits I believe that looked like they came from the left, but Flanagan was the culprit, more often than not.
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
David Carr is officially on notice.
That is hands down, no questions asked, the funniest thing that has EVER been said on this board.
Now follow it up with a picture of the Board, with Carr's name on top!
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
The Carr drama in a nutshell is ... some folks think he's a victim and some of the brighter , better looking folks think he's an accomplace .
JDizzle
I'm a dude
1) The Owen Daniels play you mention happened at 8:31 in the first quarter. I know you won't believe this, but that hit was absolutely Salaam's responsibility. He chose to double Pitts's man and leave Daniels hanging out trying to block the defensive end one on one. The TE is supposed to help the tackle, not vice versa. Salaam blew his assignment and Carr was hit as he threw into quad coverage. Even if (and that's a big if) he was supposed to double Pitts's man then turn to the end he did it much too slowly.
2) At 9:15 in the second quarter Salaam's man nailed Carr and it was taken back because of a poor call in the Texans' favor. I'll bet you Carr still felt it though. I'm also sure Salaam didn't get a "good job" in the film review of that play.
3) After that came the hit that caused the fumble with 8 seconds left. Salaam's man had a hit on that play as you said.
4) At 12:07 in the third quarter Salaam's man blows by him and forces the fumble that gets Carr benched. Salaam's man is the only player who touched Carr.
I stopped re-watching at this point, because we are talking about the hits Salaam allowed on Carr and Carr was then out of the game.
By my count in a little over one half of play that was four hits on Carr by Salaam's man. I have to assume you would get dicey and say #1 and # 2 don't count. That still leaves two clear hits in a little over one half.
Are you standing by the conclusion that he gave up no hits against Dallas and Jacksonville? Your argument looks pretty weak to me already since he gave up four in a little over a half against Tennessee.
Consider it denied.