This is the TEXANS, not TEXAS

[Señor Stan]

Any one of those Texas players in Detroit would start for the Houston Texans.

Shaun Rogers was drafted in 2001. Pre Texans.


Redding went in the 2003 with the 2nd pick of the third round @ #66 right befor the Texans picked at #67. (Peek) The Texans would have had to take him at #35. A bit of a reach don't you think?

RWilliams in the 7th in the 1st round of 2004. Would have had to trade up to get him. Texans took Dunta Robinson.

as for Will Matthews, he signed with them as an undrafted free agent and is on their practice squad.

Where would you have taken them Caesar?

 

[Caesar]

I think you're missing the point. I wasn't talking about those players specifically. I was just noting that if quality UT players are plentiful enough that four could end up with one team, you would think that a team FROM TEXAS might take notice and draft ONE in a meaningful round one of these days.

The only reason I mentioned that they would all start for the Texans is because another poster was implying that those players might be a contributing factor to the Lions lack of success.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I was just noting that if quality UT players are plentiful enough that four could end up with one team, you would think that a team FROM TEXAS might take notice and draft ONE in a meaningful round one of these days.

We've only been in the league for four years. (four drafts) Its not like we've been passing up UT players for two decades. Plus the only one you could make a case for is DJ

BTW I would totally support if the Texans grabbed David Thomas

 

[Señor Stan]

I think you're missing the point. I wasn't talking about those players specifically. I was just noting that if quality UT players are plentiful enough that four could end up with one team, you would think that a team FROM TEXAS might take notice and draft ONE in a meaningful round one of these days.

The only reason I mentioned that they would all start for the Texans is because another poster was implying that those players might be a contributing factor to the Lions lack of success.

No, you're missing the point. The Texans have not been in a position to take a Texas player in a "meaningful" round with the exception of DJ.

Texas 1st day draftees
2002
#4 Mike Williams
#5 Quenten Jammer

No other Longhorns taken Day One

2003
No Longhorns taken in 1st 2 rounds.
Round 3
#66 Redding
#67 PEEK
#75 WAND
#81 Dockery
#97 Simms

2004
#7 Roy Williams
#23 Tubbs

No other Longhorns taken Day One

2005

#4 Benson
#15 DJ!!!! (available for dem sunzabeeches Texans at 13 dangit.)

No other Longhorns taken Day One


Be honest. The only real gripe you have is that they didn't take DJ.

 

[edo783]

Be honest. The only real gripe you have is that they didn't take DJ.

And we aren't taking VY.

 

[TEXANFAN23435]

You know, I'm an Aggie and Cougar fan but when UTexas went to the Rose Bowl....As a Red, White and Blue Texan I put all differences aside and cheered for UTexas to put a beating on USC. This is just simple pride in the State of Texas. When UT won the National Championship, I viewed it as an opportunity for ALL Texas Football Programs to recruit more Texas HS talent and keep these athletes from defecting and helping other programs.

Now, I covered where my heart is... let me get to where my brain is:

1. VY had a spectacular season but that's just it, he had ONE great season. Coming into this season, Reggie McNeal was rated higher than VY. Most scouts didn't even have VY on the radar. All this talk about VY made me remember how everyone thought Ryan Leaf was the future for QB's based on his ONE season. How many experts said Colts made a bad move in taking Manning over Leaf??? It's very easy to see why Lienert is rated ahead of VY, the man has started and played unbelievable over the past two seasons, against opponets who played each game like it was their National Championship. ML is ready for the NFL now. VY may need some time to season, like McNair and not be thrown to the wolves like Leaf was. I want to see VY become successful in the NFL.

2. Now, if we have to take a QB with the 1st pick... it's ML who brings the immediate impact opportunity. We don't need a QB, so the wise move is to trade down.

3. Bush is exciting but a #1 pick on a 3rd down back/WR/KR. I'm real iffy on this, personally I was all Bush until the Rose Bowl. UTexas team speed nuetralized him. If UT's speed can do that, what will NFL Defenses do to him??? If we must select a RB, then my pick goes to LinDale White or DeAngelo Williams. These men are RB's who can run between the T's, have the speed to break it outside after defenses respect their ability to run inside and can carry the ball 25 to 30 times a game. Can anyone imagine what White's season might have been like if he got all the carries??? After the Rose Bowl game, I realized that I had just seen the best RB in the Nation and it wasn't Bush!!! As for Williams, he has had his way with Division I defenses for 2 seasons and reminds me more of LT than Bush does.

4. If the #1 pick has to be a TRUE RB then it would be a toss up between Williams and White. I don't think we would have to use the #1 pick on either guy since they would be available in the Top 5-10 picks, so again I say trade down, get more picks and if either back is available when we pick, take one. That puts DD and Wells on the market for a R2 and R4or5 this year. We do need a durable back.

Nothing against VY, RB or ML but our needs go much deeper than any one of these players can fill over the next couple of years.

 

[YodAa]

This is what irritates me most. While I am sure there is a fraction of fans out there like that, there are also those that think is he the best player regardless where he went to school. Don't lump all of us into that group.

all he said was people?

 

[swisher]

I look forward to sitting in Reliant and cheering on a Vince-led Tennessee team, along with half the other fans in the stadium, while the "draft Reggie" crowd sits back and wonders what might have been.

As a so-called Texans fan, the only excuse you could ever have for rooting for a "Vince-led Tennessee team" is if you actually gave birth to Vince Young....otherwise it's just really really sad.

 

[swtbound07]

I believe your looking for 'Moot Point" = no longer relavant.

actually no...the little bit i quoted was from an episode of friends...i found it funny

 

[Bronco Texan]

How can VY be "Jordan-esque" or "a football god" if he isn't even the top rated player in this draft??? When did teams start not taking the highest rated player in the draft with the first pick? Most teams do! And if the team doesn't need the highest rated player in the draft they trade down, whick the Texans should do since they don't need either Bush or VY.

 

[texanmojo]

Last years unforgiveable draft fiasco put this organization on "probation" with myself and many other UT fans/alumni. Another insult this season, given the number of UT players in the draft at need positions for Houston, and I'm out. Why should we pull for a franchise that continually spits in our faces?

Are you a season ticket holder? I doubt it. I doubt you even went to UT...you are probably just another UT wannabe that acts like they went to the school.

You seem to think that the city of Houston is made up of nothing but UT alumni! Hmmm...what about the rest of us that live here?

With an attitude like yours...we don't need you as a fan. I'll be the first to show you the door...you are just plain ignorant. Grow up and please go away.

 

[Tulip]

im not boycotting or leaving anything if we draft bush...i have to be here to say "i told you so" when he busts, or be in line to get my crow if he is a phenom....if the texans do something different, its all a "moo point" (moo point? whats that? Its like an arguement a cow would make...it doesnt matter...its moo.)

I miss Joey - but not enough to watch his new show.

I don't even try to predict busts. But I will be there to say "I told you" so if Vince lights up the NFL.

 

[edo783]

actually no...the little bit i quoted was from an episode of friends...i found it funny

Sorry I was slow on the uptake. I have a co-worker that actually does say Moo point and it drives me nuts.

 

[Htown34s]

People calling for Vince Young because he is a Longhorn?

I haven't seen anyone voice support for VY because he is a Horn. Its because he has accomplished great things at every level he has played. Its because there hasn't been a player in the NFL, ever, like VY (not my words but an NFL scout's).

If there is any extra motivation its because he is also from Houston. Like Ryan, Clemens, and Pettite, these are fun guys to root for.

So you can complain about people wanting someone from their hometown, but the Longhorn hating has to stop.

 

[MorKnolle]

It tells me that if UT is putting out enough good players that a team in Michigan can find several worthy of starting for them, you'd think a team from Texas could notice them enough to bring in ONE early round pick in four years.

This isn't like recruiting local high school area kids to come play for a college team, in the NFL you have a nation-wide spectrum of players to choose from and there is no reason to concentrate just on guys from local schools. Look how much most of those guys are doing for Detroit. Roy Williams is the only Longhorn on the Lions that I'd want on the Texans and we weren't in a position to get him. I wanted Derrick Johnson last year, but that had nothing to do with the fact that he was from UT or Texas at all, it was because he was a freakishly athletic LB who was solid in all the necessary skills of the position and it was a position that we had a bigtime need to fill, but apparently our brilliant LB coach didn't think very highly of him and prefered acquiring Greenwood as our only offseason LB move after cutting our two stud ILBs.

 

[BradK10]

This is what irritates me most. While I am sure there is a fraction of fans out there like that, there are also those that think is he the best player regardless where he went to school. Don't lump all of us into that group.

Dude, your username is Hookem Horns...we're not stupid

 

[Marcus]

The idea that this organization owes UT alumni ANYTHING is preposterous. I've read some pretty stupid comments on this board this past month, but nothing has actually pissed me off like yours just did.

As if being a UT fan entitles you to some sort of holier than thou status that anybody would actually care if you put this organization on "probation" because they don't draft Longhorns.

Spits in your face!? The fact that you actually think the Texans have some sort of conspiracy going to not draft players from UT proves to me how distorted your reality is and really makes me question your sanity. If the Texans drafted players solely based on what a few people with burnt orange colored glasses want, then THAT would be spitting in our face.

I went nuts when Texas beat USC, but now I wish they had lost.

And before your post, I was happy with whoever the Texans drafted, but now I hope to God we draft Bush so you can put them on "permanent probation" and leave us all alone.

I nominate this for POY! (Post of the year!)

 

[Porky]

This is getting old quick. It's honestly turning me off of VY because his fans are such whiners, that is becoming a huge turnoff. I am thinking of changing my avatar and sig. Who wants to be associated with a bunch of crybaby's. I feel like breaking out a rattle and some diapers.

There are roughly 130 some odd D1 schools, not to mention numerous D2 and lower schools. There are 53 roster spots. The Texans don't have a single player from Oklahoma. Is there a conspiracy there too? There are tons of OK graduates and fans here. They don't have any players from Penn State either. I guess there is a bias against Penn State too. And tsk tsk, not a one from Vanderbilt. Their alumni association should really be up in arms about this.

The whole thing is so silly, it's really not worth discussing, so I will leave you to your paranoia. I hope you have fun, both of you.

 

[Hookem Horns]

Dude, your username is Hookem Horns...we're not stupid

Actually, I took the name Hookem Horns as a play on the Bull on the Texans helmet. However, if it is causing confusion I can change it. If it has to refer to the school I attended I will change my username.

 

[Marcus]

So you can complain about people wanting someone from their hometown, but the Longhorn hating has to stop.

It's too late. Longhorn fans have already done enough to make me root against that team forever. The utter distaste I have for their fanbase makes me want to puke.

 

[Mr. White]

On this MB, all this BS about college loyalty really needs to go away. If people want to sound off, fine. Knock yourself out. Let's chalk up Derrick Johnson being passed over to drafting ineptitude rather than a conspiracy or a bias against UT.

To everyone else, don't let the Horns who are pi$$ing you off speak for the rest of the Longhorn homers. Just like we shouldn't let the Aggies on here that are horses' @ $ $ E $ speak for the rest of the people they claim to represent.

Your favorite college has sites with MBs on them. Save all that BS for those boards.

 

[TheOgre]

Which expert? Casserly? BTW, I am home, I live here in Texas. Why don't you go home www.denverbroncos.com.. Geez, and this guy registered in Jan 06.

That is just plain rude, Dude.

 

[Wolf]

I am hoping this ship gets turned around I couldn't imagine what ..well yes I can ...if we somehow have a disasterous season next year and we trade down to get some linemen..

I guess we could insert Quinn where Young is and IF Peterson has a good season and declares .. we'd exchange his name with Bush.

I think I need a beer now.

 

[TheOgre]

This is getting old quick. It's honestly turning me off of VY because his fans are such whiners, that is becoming a huge turnoff. I am thinking of changing my avatar and sig. Who wants to be associated with a bunch of crybaby's. I feel like breaking out a rattle and some diapers.

Porky,
That is exactly what turned me off of the Young Love Boat. I think we need to refer to this as the Man Crush Award.

Previous Man Crush Winners
Sean Taylor in 2004
D.J. in 2005
Bush before the War of the Roses was the favorite for the award, but now it is Young and the Restless (fans) in 2006

Who will be the "we have to have this guy or else..." player in 2007? Adrian Peterson is my early favorite despite going to Bosworth U . Brady Quinn will be on the list too if we don't draft Young, and Carr doesn't have a stellar year. Any other early picks for the 2007 draft Man Crush Award?

 

[TheOgre]

I think I need a beer now.

Best comment on the thread yet.

 

[Wolf]

Porky,
That is exactly what turned me off of the Young Love Boat. I think we need to refer to this as the Man Crush Award.

Previous Man Crush Winners
Sean Taylor in 2004
D.J. in 2005
Bush before the War of the Roses was the favorite for the award, but now it is Young and the Restless (fans) in 2006

Who will be the "we have to have this guy or else..." player in 2007? Adrian Peterson is my early favorite despite going to Bosworth U . Brady Quinn will be on the list too if we don't draft Young, and Carr doesn't have a stellar year. Any other early picks for the 2007 draft Man Crush Award?

we are thinking the same thing Grid

 

[Bobo]

I know Longhorn football is big in Texas but this is nuts! People calling for Vince Young because he is a Longhorn? People questioning if you like the Kubiak hire because he was an Aggie? David Carr is the man in Houston and Kubiak has the background to be a great coach. It is just amazing to see people saying that they will no longer be a Houston Texans fan if we don't get Young. I think those fans are already gone and were never really behind the Texans 100% to begin with. Keep in mind that this is the NFL and college is different from it. Keep the two seperated. The Texans need to do what's best for them and it makes no difference what college background that help comes from.

I don't like Kubiak because I believe he was a poor choice -- Aggie or no Aggie. He has no NFL head coach experience and spent the whole season as OC of Denver up in the box -- he has no experience as a sidelines coach as well. Plus, as OC with Denver after Elway, his record with a loaded Broncs team was spotty at best. Yes, his team made the playoffs a few times. But in most cases they were laughed out of the tournament in the first round. Plus, he had a 7-9 and 9-7 mark in there -- not too good for a team with a lot more talent than the Texans have. Heck, if he can't help a decent Broncs team to better than a 7-9/9-7 record, do you REALLY expect him to do much with a young, green Texans team that went 2-14 last year? My prediction -- oh yes, they will improve. If you think 3-13 or 4-12 is an improvement.

 

[Caesar]

Heck, if he can't help a decent Broncs team to better than a 7-9/9-7 record, do you REALLY expect him to do much with a young, green Texans team that went 2-14 last year? My prediction -- oh yes, they will improve. If you think 3-13 or 4-12 is an improvement.

Good point. The smartest thing for the Texans to do if they want a significant improvement right away is to trade the pick. The Texans have so many holes, they need all the picks they can get, and the sure don't need to be picking a player at one of the few positions where they DON'T need help.

Whether they take Bush or Young, the Texans will be very fortunate to win 5 games next year. The difference is, people would be much more tolerant with Vince Young than they would with Bush. After the 2-14 '05 fiasco, the Texans need all the public realtions help it can get, but I don't expect the Texans to have sense enough to see this.

 

[Bobo]

Good point. The smartest thing for the Texans to do if they want a significant improvement right away is to trade the pick. The Texans have so many holes, they need all the picks they can get, and the sure don't need to be picking a player at one of the few positions where they DON'T need help.

Whether they take Bush or Young, the Texans will be very fortunate to win 5 games next year. The difference is, people would be much more tolerant with Vince Young than they would with Bush. After the 2-14 '05 fiasco, the Texans need all the public realtions help it can get, but I don't expect the Texans to have sense enough to see this.

I agree.

 

[edo783]

It's too late. Longhorn fans have already done enough to make me root against that team forever. The utter distaste I have for their fanbase makes me want to puke.

I suspect there is a WHOLE lot folks puking over the UT fan base and have now turned on them, Vinny and ANYTHING remotely associated with UT, out of spite for their actions and whiner, picked on mentality.

 

[Caesar]

Yes, we Texas fans are so demanding and unreasonable. The Texans have systematically disriminated against our players since year one, while failing to neglect their aggie fans (players, and now coaches) and we're upset about it. How silly of us.

We're such distasteful people for questioning why we should be loyal to franchise that cares nothing about us. It is our privelege to pay our hard earned money on tickets & merchandise, because I'm sure they don't need our money. We should just shut up and be happy about them avoiding our players in favor of lesser talent. Afterall, the personel decisions of the Texans management have gotten us so far, they must know what they're doing.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I don't like Kubiak because I believe he was a poor choice -- Aggie or no Aggie. He has no NFL head coach experience and spent the whole season as OC of Denver up in the box -- he has no experience as a sidelines coach as well. Plus, as OC with Denver after Elway, his record with a loaded Broncs team was spotty at best. Yes, his team made the playoffs a few times. But in most cases they were laughed out of the tournament in the first round. Plus, he had a 7-9 and 9-7 mark in there -- not too good for a team with a lot more talent than the Texans have. Heck, if he can't help a decent Broncs team to better than a 7-9/9-7 record, do you REALLY expect him to do much with a young, green Texans team that went 2-14 last year? My prediction -- oh yes, they will improve. If you think 3-13 or 4-12 is an improvement.

Wow if the only thing you can do is pull out a 7-9 year and a 9-7 year (which isn't bad) out of 11 years then you are really reaching. Especially when during that stretch they had THREE different starting QBs and playing in one of the toughest divisions (Remember Oakland went to the Superbowl and multiple playoff appearences and KC is always strong).

I swear somethimes I thing Bobo is Capers' alias. Also as far as you saying Kubiak is up in the box, he was the freaking Offensive Coordinator, there are many O coordinators that coach from the box so they can see the feild and the match ups. Also he didn't strictly coach from the box I have tape of him on the sidelines as well and have tape of him getting up in players grill and if you want us to believe in this man's 15 year+ coaching career that he has no sideline experience your crazy.
Capers you got fired, give it up all ready and concentrate on Miami

 

[Carr Bombed]

Yes, we Texas fans are so demanding and unreasonable. The Texans have systematically disriminated against our players since year one, while failing to neglect their aggie fans (players, and now coaches) and we're upset about it. How silly of us.

We're such distasteful people for questioning why we should be loyal to franchise that cares nothing about us. It is our privelege to pay our hard earned money on tickets & merchandise, because I'm sure they don't need our money. We should just shut up and be happy about them avoiding our players in favor of lesser talent. Afterall, the personel decisions of the Texans management have gotten us so far, they must know what they're doing.

THIS ISN'T TEXAS, THIS IS THE NNNNNNFFFFFFLLLLL, For the love of god. You act like TEXAS was the best program for the last 4 years. Oklahoma had a better program then they did before this year and we didn't take any of their players.

You live in a crazy reality if you think our staff is sitting in the draft war room holding Aggie fraternity meetings, passing up Horn players. Most of our Organization isn't even from Texas, the NFL is nation WIDE, we look at ALL player from accross the COUNTRY. There is only ONE player you can make a case for and that is DJ, ever other player we didn't have a chance to "in your words pass up" and if we took any others it would of been a reach.

You act like the whole fanbase is made up of Horn fans, its not. There are many fans that don't give a RATS *** about the horns.

I'm a horn fan, but when saturday is over and its SUNDAY I take off the orange and put on the Steel Blue.

If all you care about is burnt orange then go to another message board, you are making people hate the UT

 

[Marcus]

If all you care about is burnt orange then go to another message board, you are making people hate the UT

It's still January for the love of God! I knew eventually, a major backlash against the UT fanbase would be coming bigtime, but I figured the earliest would be late Feb, early March. There will be a serious drive to burn UT to the ground by April, if this keeps up.

 

[Buffi2]

you are making people hate the UT

You speak the truth! The TV folks may find a sudden drop next year of Houston area viewers of UT games. Since UT is one of the top 5 college teams for TV viewing - this could have monumental repercussions!

 

[Carr Bombed]

It's still January for the love of God! I knew eventually, a major backlash against the UT fanbase would be coming bigtime, but I figured the earliest would be late Feb, early March. There will be a serious drive to burn UT to the ground by April, if this keeps up.

Its a shame, because I love the longhorns, but I am getting so irritated with this crap.

Now I know exactly how Jag fans felt when their board was flooded with irrational razorback Fans, but this situation is ten X worst than that.

 

[MorKnolle]

I don't like Kubiak because I believe he was a poor choice -- Aggie or no Aggie. He has no NFL head coach experience and spent the whole season as OC of Denver up in the box -- he has no experience as a sidelines coach as well. Plus, as OC with Denver after Elway, his record with a loaded Broncs team was spotty at best. Yes, his team made the playoffs a few times. But in most cases they were laughed out of the tournament in the first round. Plus, he had a 7-9 and 9-7 mark in there -- not too good for a team with a lot more talent than the Texans have. Heck, if he can't help a decent Broncs team to better than a 7-9/9-7 record, do you REALLY expect him to do much with a young, green Texans team that went 2-14 last year? My prediction -- oh yes, they will improve. If you think 3-13 or 4-12 is an improvement.

Just an FYI, since 1995 when Shanahan and Kubiak took over the Broncos, they have been #1 over the 11 seasons in scoring offense and rushing offense, not too spotty if you ask me.

 

[OzzO]

If the Texans take Young - the fans will not be tolerant as mentioned above. They'll want him starting in the preseason after Carr's first incomplete or 2 yard gain... don't act like you'll wait.

Speaking of, McNair is looking for immediate wins - takeing a QB with the first pick to ride the bench is not going to result in immediate wins. He realizes the fans can't sit through another season like the last and hope to retain the "casual" fan base - whether that's the bandwaggoners, the take VY or I'll pout, or the "man, I REALLY want to be able to tell them I said so" (though not sure what points one gets when they can tell another so... maybe it makes 'em feel good.

I see more of a Bush (to follow appreantly what the rest of the NFL nation thinks) or trade down. Wondering about where's the next #2 WR as well. I see more upside of Carr, Bush, DD, AJ than Carr, DD, AJ (with Vince on the bench). If Young goes to the Titans and succeeds, good for him - he's proven to do well to this point in his career. However, if he's the next S. McNair protege... well, we beat the Titans with S. McNair...

Carr most likely will get the extension, maybe even for 3 years... but like mentioned on 610, having the longer contract may look better to other teams if it does come to a trade in the future.

As for the UT nation holding the Texans hostage... dream on. Just like any team, there's the fans, and then the extremists. I think McNair is focusing on the fans and what's best for the team, as the extremists come and go with the flavor of the month. For the post that mentioned the Texans don't listen to the fans... pfft... haven't been around the past 4 years? They'll listen and take it into account - if it makes good business sense - they'll do it.

I don't think I know it all and have all the answers, but it's good to see some posters have less of a clue than I.

 

[swisher]

Yes, we Texas fans are so demanding and unreasonable. The Texans have systematically disriminated against our players since year one, while failing to neglect their aggie fans (players, and now coaches) and we're upset about it. How silly of us.

You really should just step away from the keyboard. You're losing credibility with every sentence you write.

 

[Bobo]

Just an FYI, since 1995 when Shanahan and Kubiak took over the Broncos, they have been #1 over the 11 seasons in scoring offense and rushing offense, not too spotty if you ask me.

If they were so good, then why did they get rid of Griese? If they were so great, then where were all the AFC championship games and Super Bowl appearances following Elway? If they were so great, then what about all those early, lopsided, laughable losses in the playoffs with a loaded team? Yes, that is indeed spotty. VERY spotty. Bad, bad choice and by midseason you will be wondering if the Texans are even worth tuning in to watch.

 

[Señor Stan]

Yes, we Texas fans are so demanding and unreasonable. The Texans have systematically disriminated against our players since year one, while failing to neglect their aggie fans (players, and now coaches) and we're upset about it. How silly of us.

We're such distasteful people for questioning why we should be loyal to franchise that cares nothing about us. It is our privelege to pay our hard earned money on tickets & merchandise, because I'm sure they don't need our money. We should just shut up and be happy about them avoiding our players in favor of lesser talent. Afterall, the personel decisions of the Texans management have gotten us so far, they must know what they're doing.

Would you please quit spewing this tripe? I posted every Day One Longhorn selection a page or so back. Care to elaborate on the "systematic discrimination." You can't.

Admit it. You were jonesing for DJ and didn't get him. Don't try to paint it as an overarching conspiracy. Why don't you go pollute a Cowboy's message board. They passed on DJ a few picks before the Texans did.

You give rational Longhorn fans and VY supporters a bad name.

 

[Bobo]

Wow if the only thing you can do is pull out a 7-9 year and a 9-7 year (which isn't bad) out of 11 years then you are really reaching. Especially when during that stretch they had THREE different starting QBs and playing in one of the toughest divisions (Remember Oakland went to the Superbowl and multiple playoff appearences and KC is always strong).

I swear somethimes I thing Bobo is Capers' alias. Also as far as you saying Kubiak is up in the box, he was the freaking Offensive Coordinator, there are many O coordinators that coach from the box so they can see the feild and the match ups. Also he didn't strictly coach from the box I have tape of him on the sidelines as well and have tape of him getting up in players grill and if you want us to believe in this man's 15 year+ coaching career that he has no sideline experience your crazy.
Capers you got fired, give it up all ready and concentrate on Miami

7-9/9-7 for a team that is loaded (remember, the Texans finished 7-9 in 2004) and has been to the Super Bowl on two occasions is indeed bad. Fact is, once Elway was gone they didn't do so well. I am glad you admitted that Kubiak was indeed up in the box. Many OCs and defensive coordinators are NOT in that box and are on the sidelines. That makes them more qualified than Kubiak. Perhaps the fact that he wasn't on the sidelines is the reason it took him so long to finally land a HC job. But the fact that you saw him down on the field screaming at a player certainly reassures me. I guess that gives him probably as much time on the field as the guest cheerleaders for the Texans. Fact is, this guy is up in the clouds most of the time and knows nothing about coaching players from the sidelines -- let alone having NFL experience as a HC. And THIS is the guy the Texans hire as a HC?

 

[Wolf]

7-9/9-7 for a team that is loaded (remember, the Texans finished 7-9 in 2004) and has been to the Super Bowl on two occasions is indeed bad. Fact is, once Elway was gone they didn't do so well. I am glad you admitted that Kubiak was indeed up in the box. Many OCs and defensive coordinators are NOT in that box and are on the sidelines. That makes them more qualified than Kubiak. Perhaps the fact that he wasn't on the sidelines is the reason it took him so long to finally land a HC job. But the fact that you saw him down on the field screaming at a player certainly reassures me. I guess that gives him probably as much time on the field as the guest cheerleaders for the Texans. Fact is, this guy is up in the clouds most of the time and knows nothing about coaching players from the sidelines -- let alone having NFL experience as a HC. And THIS is the guy the Texans hire as a HC?

I bet you said the same thing about Jeff Fisher ..
I mean why can't we see what he does and gets the whole staff together before we start the "fire Kubiak" threads.

 

[Bobo]

I bet you said the same thing about Jeff Fisher ..
I mean why can't we see what he does and gets the whole staff together before we start the "fire Kubiak" threads.

I wish they WOULD fire him before he screws up the team. He was an awful, awful choice. At least Jeff Fisher spent his time on the football field!

 

[Wolf]

I wish they WOULD fire him before he screws up the team. He was an awful, awful choice. At least Jeff Fisher spent his time on the football field!

What does that matter? Capers has been on the field. Mike Martz has been on the field.. Jim Haslett has been on the field and the list goes on and they all got fired..


What is so horrible about Kubiak? He has worked in a successfull system in Denver... For me,I'd love to have Jeff Fisher but that is another story.

Only question I have with Kubiak is assistant coaches... I'd like to have a DC that has some experience (being Kubiak doesn't on the "d" side of it) OC .. I'd like to see Sherman so the Texan STAFF has some experience

 

[HoustonFan]

Can't wait for the season to start. *random comment

 

[edo783]

Come one folks, Caesar & Bobo are just trolls who say whack job BS that sets off a post fire storm. They are just duffuses that are looking to get people wound up. I suspect them to be the same person (don't know though) as they post around each other all the time. Probably just a couple of pimply faced guys who's stones haven't even dropped yet. Quit reacting to the incredibly stupid BS thay are spewing and they will go away.

 

[Carr Bombed]

7-9/9-7 for a team that is loaded (remember, the Texans finished 7-9 in 2004) and has been to the Super Bowl on two occasions is indeed bad. Fact is, once Elway was gone they didn't do so well. I am glad you admitted that Kubiak was indeed up in the box. Many OCs and defensive coordinators are NOT in that box and are on the sidelines. That makes them more qualified than Kubiak. Perhaps the fact that he wasn't on the sidelines is the reason it took him so long to finally land a HC job. But the fact that you saw him down on the field screaming at a player certainly reassures me. I guess that gives him probably as much time on the field as the guest cheerleaders for the Texans. Fact is, this guy is up in the clouds most of the time and knows nothing about coaching players from the sidelines -- let alone having NFL experience as a HC. And THIS is the guy the Texans hire as a HC?

Capers we let you go, let it go and move on.

The Denver Broncos weren't a loaded team, which is the reason why they took a chance on a aging all-pro safety in Lynch, traded their all-pro runningback for a "shutdown" corner, which is the reason why they took a gamble on the browns past high draft picked Dline, they were lacking on defense thats why the Colts blew them out two years in a row (defense has nothing to do with Kubiak)

Stop running around spewing "The Broncos were a loaded team", "The Broncos were a loaded team" and then offer nothing to support your argument, your arguments have no substance whatsoever.

A team that goes through 11 years only to have one season where they came up a game short of a 500. record has something to be very proud of.

Name me another team with that kind of success, especially one that did it with THREE different QBs at the helm, thats right YOU CAN'T!!!

Many teams go through rebuilding periods through that kind of span, including the Broncos and yet while they were retooling they only had one loosing season.

The very points you make don't even support your argument that he is a bad coach and make you look foolish.

Also will you let go "Kubiak was in the box" in fact I never noticed him in the box I just took you word for it, but now I don't know how credible the source is.

Anyways it doesn't matter like I said MANY, MANY OCs coach from the box, the calls come from up above, why the hell do you think the head coach has head phones on, to relay messages 5 feet down the sideline to his offensive coordinator, do you even watch football. A offensive coordinator can't wait for print outs, he has to watch the defense in real time and has to see the entire field, it only makes sense for him to be up above.

I'm tired of you saying the Broncos haven't done anything since Elway. A team can't win the Superbowl every year. Thats like saying the Colts haven't done anything since Unitas. The Broncos have had MANY winning records and postseason appearences since Elway and Elway never won a Superbowl prior to the arrival of Kubiak, it goes both ways.

Elway's winning percentage before Kubiak: .607
Eway's winning percentage after Kubiak: 733

Elway's carrer passer rating before Kubiak: 76.8
Elway's carrer passer rating after Kubiak: 88.7

The guy has three superbowl rings and has ran the best and most consistent offense over the past decade

 

[Carr Bombed]

Come one folks, Caesar & Bobo are just trolls who say whack job BS that sets off a post fire storm. They are just duffuses that are looking to get people wound up. I suspect them to be the same person (don't know though) as they post around each other all the time. Probably just a couple of pimply faced guys who's stones haven't even dropped yet. Quit reacting to the incredibly stupid BS thay are spewing and they will go away.

opps...... sorry didn't see your post.

 

[Mr. White]

Please...please...this thread is screaming for it. No offense to people that can appreciate the other side of an argument.