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I know Longhorn football is big in Texas but this is nuts! People calling for Vince Young because he is a Longhorn? People questioning if you like the Kubiak hire because he was an Aggie? David Carr is the man in Houston and Kubiak has the background to be a great coach. It is just amazing to see people saying that they will no longer be a Houston Texans fan if we don't get Young. I think those fans are already gone and were never really behind the Texans 100% to begin with. Keep in mind that this is the NFL and college is different from it. Keep the two seperated. The Texans need to do what's best for them and it makes no difference what college background that help comes from.
 
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People calling for Vince Young because he is a Longhorn?
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This is what irritates me most. While I am sure there is a fraction of fans out there like that, there are also those that think is he the best player regardless where he went to school. Don't lump all of us into that group.
 
Hookem Horns said:
This is what irritates me most. While I am sure there is a fraction of fans out there like that, there are also those that think is he the best player regardless where he went to school. Don't lump all of us into that group.
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That is funny because all of the EXPERTS think he isn't the best player. Go home HOMER!!!
 
Hookem Horns said:
This is what irritates me most. While I am sure there is a fraction of fans out there like that, there are also those that think is he the best player regardless where he went to school. Don't lump all of us into that group.
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Did I say you are in that group?
 
It is just amazing to see people saying that they will no longer be a Houston Texans fan if we don't get Young. I think those fans are already gone and were never really behind the Texans 100% to begin with.
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It's not ONLY about not getting Young. I could forgive them if they were to pass on Young to trade the pick. That would show me that they're working to improve a team that needs work at many positions. What I won't forgive is passing on Vince Young to draft a guy at a position where we're already three deep, and who would not contribute to a quick turaround (playing on a team with no defense and an abysmal line) any more than VY. That would be yet another seemingly deliberate slap in the face to Longhorn players and fans, and I'm not going to take that.

Last years unforgiveable draft fiasco put this organization on "probation" with myself and many other UT fans/alumni. Another insult this season, given the number of UT players in the draft at need positions for Houston, and I'm out. Why should we pull for a franchise that continually spits in our faces?
 
Sorta like all the experts who gave Bush the Heisman in a landslide and those who thought he was better than Young going into the Rose Bowl. That had a hilarious outcome.
 
Caesar said:
It's not ONLY about not getting Young. I could forgive them if they were to pass on Young to trade the pick. That would show me that they're working to improve a team that needs work at many positions. What I won't forgive is passing on Vince Young to draft a guy at a position where we're already three deep, and who would not contribute to a quick turaround (playing on a team with no defense and an abysmal line) any more than VY. That would be yet another seemingly deliberate slap in the face to Longhorn players and fans, and I'm not going to take that.

Last years unforgiveable draft fiasco put this organization on "probation" with myself and many other UT fans/alumni. Another insult this season, given the number of UT players in the draft at need positions for Houston, and I'm out. Why should we pull for a franchise that continually spits in our faces?
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I beg to differ. We are not three deep at a certain position. VM is an okay RB, Wells might not be back, and DD is consistantly hurt. Never fails, you can count on him being out 4-5 games a yr. We need an explosive player at the position and on this team. Nothing against VY, he is a great athlete, it's just not a player we need. We have a QB with a great arm just need better coaching and a better line. Everyone is saying he will not lead us to a championship...LOL...look at Indy, Manning can't lead them to a championship. Texans don't need to draft VY. We can upgrade the O-Line through FA, maybe a trade or two. Pick up a couple of defensive players through the draft for depth and maybe go after some quality defensive players. It can be done. Nothing against UT either, we just don't need another QB when we already have one, or maybe we all want to wait another 4 yrs before we can start talking playoffs if we do take VY. Just because he was at UT and because he is a hometown boy. I don't think so!
 
Caesar said:
Sorta like all the experts who gave Bush the Heisman in a landslide and those who thought he was better than Young going into the Rose Bowl. That had a hilarious outcome.
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Whose to say he still isn't? I remember this being a team sport and you win or lose as a team not because you are the best player in college.
 
Just wait and see what the team is going to do... No more Bush/Vince post's... Just sit back and relax, and ignore the hype.
 
bakerooskie said:
Just wait and see what the team is going to do... No more Bush/Vince post's... Just sit back and relax, and ignore the hype.
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Sorry Lincoln but I don't think this Civil war is ending any time soon
 
Hookem Horns said:
Which expert? Casserly? BTW, I am home, I live here in Texas. Why don't you go home www.denverbroncos.com.. Geez, and this guy registered in Jan 06.
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Right now it is accurate to say most projections have Leinart going before Young and some folks are even talking about Cutler jumping above Young as well. Personally, I would take Young over Leinart in a heartbeat. I haven't seen enough of Cutler to have a judgment.
 
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Right now it is accurate to say most projections have Leinart going before Young and some folks are even talking about Cutler jumping above Young as well. Personally, I would take Young over Leinart in a heartbeat. I haven't seen enough of Cutler to have a judgment.
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I was thinking too about Leinart about halfway through the season. Once it starting becoming obvious to me that Carr wasn't going to pan out I started watching Leinart more closely. I even posted about it here and some of you felt Leinart was overhyped and had a bad wheel. The thought of VY never crossed my mind because I was convinced he would stay in school.
 
Caesar said:
That would be yet another seemingly deliberate slap in the face to Longhorn players and fans, and I'm not going to take that.

Last years unforgiveable draft fiasco put this organization on "probation" with myself and many other UT fans/alumni. Another insult this season, given the number of UT players in the draft at need positions for Houston, and I'm out. Why should we pull for a franchise that continually spits in our faces?
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The idea that this organization owes UT alumni ANYTHING is preposterous. I've read some pretty stupid comments on this board this past month, but nothing has actually pissed me off like yours just did.

As if being a UT fan entitles you to some sort of holier than thou status that anybody would actually care if you put this organization on "probation" because they don't draft Longhorns.

Spits in your face!? The fact that you actually think the Texans have some sort of conspiracy going to not draft players from UT proves to me how distorted your reality is and really makes me question your sanity. If the Texans drafted players solely based on what a few people with burnt orange colored glasses want, then THAT would be spitting in our face.

I went nuts when Texas beat USC, but now I wish they had lost.

And before your post, I was happy with whoever the Texans drafted, but now I hope to God we draft Bush so you can put them on "permanent probation" and leave us all alone.
 
I'm in the "draft Vince" camp but I'm gonna be realistic. The new coach has given every indication that is not going to be an avenue he goes down. Fine.
It's not something I control anyway.

I think the majority of fans that are in the Vince camp though feel he WILL go to the Titans and he WILL be an impact player for them eventually.

Now that would hurt. :crying:
 
Hookem Horns said:
This is what irritates me most. While I am sure there is a fraction of fans out there like that, there are also those that think is he the best player regardless where he went to school. Don't lump all of us into that group.
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Great point - I support drafting Vince because he is a great player (the best this year IMHO) and Houston is his home town. I not sure why so many have trouble understanding that not everyone who wants VY bleeds orange.
 
Remember guys...teams don't listen to the fans for football advice.

All they want is your money for seats and to know if you prefer if they sell Coke or Pepsi.
 
As if being a UT fan entitles you to some sort of holier than thou status that anybody would actually care if you put this organization on "probation" because they don't draft Longhorns.
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Do you have any idea how large the UT fanbase in Houston is? Do you have any idea how much of the Texans fanbase is also Longhorns? If they piss off enough of us, you're going to have quite a few empty seats in Reliant. We, as fans, buy the tickets, buy the merchandise, and provide the TV ratings. The Texans need us more than we need them.

Spits in your face!? The fact that you actually think the Texans have some sort of conspiracy going to not draft players from UT proves to me how distorted your reality is and really makes me question your sanity.
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Well you say that, but there have been quite a few excellent UT players in the draft in recent years at positions that the Texans desperately needed. Like last year, they get rid of Sharper, leaving Wong as the only legitimate NFL starter at linebacker. Who's available in the draft when the Texans pick? Hey, it's Derrick Johnson, a guy that many considered top 5 caliber. Since LB was the Texans' top need (outside of o-line), and you claim that they don't discriminate against UT players, then I guess DJ must be on the team. Hmmmmmmm. I'm looking up and down my roster right now, but I can't seem to find him. Maybe you can help.

If the Texans drafted players solely based on what a few people with burnt orange colored glasses want, then THAT would be spitting in our face.
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Nobody is suggesting they do that. I'm just suggesting that when a quality UT player is available at a need position, they might consider taking him rather than drafting a lesser quality player at a non-need position, as they have done a number of times in the past.

And before your post, I was happy with whoever the Texans drafted, but now I hope to God we draft Bush so you can put them on "permanent probation" and leave us all alone.
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And I hope that Bud Adams (who I once hated) takes VY so all the Vince haters among the Texans fanbase and organization will be forced to watch as he kicks the hell out of Houston twice a year. I look forward to sitting in Reliant and cheering on a Vince-led Tennessee team, along with half the other fans in the stadium, while the "draft Reggie" crowd sits back and wonders what might have been.
 
Bamboo said:
"bye bye" your hemmoroid, until the Texans SCREW this up i will be here every day to remind you that you didn't provide a reasonable or even better solution.

thanks for your weak response. now give me a reason why the Texans shouldn't choose the GREATEST college player other than barry sanders to the Texans???

don't give me your weak bye bye answer.
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You UT fans don't understand why Texan fans are now turned off or have had their fill of Young, this is why and many posts like this and the one right above mine.

After the Rose Bowl I was leaning towards wanting Vince, but after the flood of newbies that didn't want to talk about anything else, but about how Vince was god or Micheal Jordan (which btw, there is no such thing in the sport of football) and force feeding us their draft Vince of screw the texans threads and posts. It is people like you that have turned some of this board against Vince and that is really sad because Vince is a great young man.

This is the NFL not everybody on this board bleeds orange, people have different opinions and just because they don't agree with yours doesn't mean you go around calling them Texan *****s

and then in that same post you had the gall to tell them to grow up:confused:

Sometimes I just wish UT didn't win that game and thats very very sad, it was a great game to watch.
 
Hey while your saving your money, why don't you save your time too and LEAVE, because its pretty obvious, the only interest you have in this team is the posibility of drafting Vince
 
How many times have you heard that the NFL is a faster game than college? Every year in training camp the rookies talk about trying to get used to how fast the game is,David Carr has been around that speed for 4 years ,VY has not so now we have to wait around for him to speed up to NFL pace.You may be right VY maybe some kind of football god I don't know.I just think it's kind of dum to say screw a team over one unproven COLLEGE qb,(jmo).
 
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Hey while your saving your money, why don't you save your time too and LEAVE, because its pretty obvious, the only interest you have in this team is the posibility of drafting Vince
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At the moment, that's pretty close to the truth. The possibility of drafting a Jordan-esque football player, OR trading the pick to improve the team as a whole, is about the only thing to inspire any interest or hope after a 2-14 season.

Oh, and I'll leave when I feel like it
 
Bamboo said:
"bye bye" your hemmoroid, until the Texans SCREW this up i will be here every day to remind you that you didn't provide a reasonable or even better solution.
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Try to fit in a little better than a "hemmoroid". We would all appreciate it.
 
Caesar said:
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At the moment, that's pretty close to the truth. The possibility of drafting a Jordan-esque football player, OR trading the pick to improve the team as a whole, is about the only thing to inspire any interest or hope after a 2-14 season.

Oh, and I'll leave when I feel like it
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How is Young "Jordan-esque"? Does he have a good jump shot? Can he dunk from the free throw line? Wait, this is Vince Young we're talking about...He can do anything! :superman:
 
Caesar said:
Do you have any idea how large the UT fanbase in Houston is? Do you have any idea how much of the Texans fanbase is also Longhorns? If they piss off enough of us, you're going to have quite a few empty seats in Reliant. We, as fans, buy the tickets, buy the merchandise, and provide the TV ratings. The Texans need us more than we need them.
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The Texan's fanbase consist of more then UT alumi, and I believe most Longhorn fans will not hate the Texans if they do not draft Vince Young. They'll be disappointed, but will not hate them.

As far as empty seats if the Texans win the seats will be full, and if they continue to lose they'll be empty. It's not going to matter if the quaterback is Vince Young or David Carr. If VY is given the reigns and 4 years from now the Texans are still losing the seats will be empty.
 
Caesar said:
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At the moment, that's pretty close to the truth. The possibility of drafting a Jordan-esque football player, OR trading the pick to improve the team as a whole, is about the only thing to inspire any interest or hope after a 2-14 season.

Oh, and I'll leave when I feel like it
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Vince Young is not a Jordan-esque football player. There is no such thing in FOOTBALL. It took a complete team effort to beat USC. I give just as much of more credit to the Texas defense for the victory in that game. They had two key INTs (one was a absolute great play not a bad throw and the other was picked off in the endzone) and a fumble recovery and two key 4th and short stops. David Thomas made great catch after great catch and made plays on some very bad passes. The Texas Oline was the best in the country and had one of their best games.

Young isn't going to come here and have the same success. He doesn't have Thomas, he doesn't have Sweed, he doesn't have that great Texas Dline to prevent a high powered offense from scoring and he doesn't have a secondary with three first day picks. If Young comes here he is going to face the same problems as David. A subpar team that can't stay consistent on offense and can't stop or hold leads on defense.

When we take Young, we isn't bringing his Oline with him, he isn't bringing Sweed or his other recievers with him, he isn't bringing Taylor, Charles, and his other very talented backs with him, he isn't bringing his all american Dline and secondary with him.
 
The Texan's fanbase consist of more then UT alumi, and I believe most Longhorn fans will not hate the Texans if they do not draft Vince Young. They'll be disappointed, but will not hate them.
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It depends. I think that if they trade the pick, it will be better recieved because it will indicate that the Texans are trying to fortify the many weak spots on the team. The Texans aren't going to get any more of an immediate improvementwith Bush than they would with Young, and if they take Bush anyway, it will be taken by many as the final insult. I personally think that TRADING the pick is the smartest choice, but if you're going to use the # 1 pick on a player that is not an immediate need, you take Vince. It should be a no brainer, but we're talking about the Texans management so....
 
The thing is it's a no win type of deal,if you draft Bush and VY becomes a pro bowl player you are dum for taking Bush.If you take VY and Bush becomes a all time great back then your dum for not taking Bush.Thats why I will leave the drafting to the Houston Texans and the new coach.I don't care where they played college ball if they are the best player for the Texans then I'm happy.
 
Young isn't going to come here and have the same success. He doesn't have Thomas, he doesn't have Sweed, he doesn't have that great Texas Dline to prevent a high powered offense from scoring and he doesn't have a secondary with three first day picks. If Young comes here he is going to face the same problems as David. A subpar team that can't stay consistent on offense and can't stop or hold leads on defense.
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And the same thing could be said about Bush. In Houston, he won't have a QB like Matt Leinart, second RB like Lendale White, an excellent TE, and a dominating offensive line like he did at USC. Heck, even with all those things, he looked pretty inconsistent the first time he played against a strong, fast defense. Sure he had some electric runs, but for every long one, he got stuffed four times. If Vince is not worth a #1 pick, Bush sure isn't.
 
Caesar said:
The Texans aren't going to get any more of an immediate improvementwith Bush than they would with Young, and if they take Bush anyway, it will be taken by many as the final insult.
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That is not neccesarily true it is proven time and time again, that rbs can come in and make a IMMEDIATE impact. The rb position translates the easiest to the pros.

As far as people taking drafting Bush as the final insult that also isn't true, since most of this city was just about wetting themselves as the prospect of being in the posistion to take him. Do you remember the "Bush Bowl" and the 15 min. segment on ESPN with plenty of interviews of Texan fans saying "We have to lose that game".
 
Carr Bomb said:
Hey while your saving your money, why don't you save your time too and LEAVE, because its pretty obvious, the only interest you have in this team is the posibility of drafting Vince
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:homer: D'OH!
 
Carr Bomb said:
As far as people taking drafting Bush as the final insult that also isn't true, since most of this city was just about wetting themselves as the prospect of being in the posistion to take him. Do you remember the "Bush Bowl" and the 15 min. segment on ESPN with plenty of interviews of Texan fans saying "We have to lose that game".
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There will be a lot of people go away from the message board if and when we pick Bush....but I don't qualify that as a "necessarily a bad thing". Most of them haven’t been here the first 4 years anyway, so it's not much of a threat.
 
Do you remember the "Bush Bowl" and the 15 min. segment on ESPN with plenty of interviews of Texan fans saying "We have to lose that game".
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I do remember. That's why I rooted for Houston harder than ever down the stretch so that Casserly wouldn't have the opportunity to waste the # 1 pick on another RB.
 
I'm curious, since a few of the Longhorns on the board are threatening to boycott the team if we don't draft Young, what are your opinions of the University of Texas at Detroit? They have Roy Williams, Shaun Rogers, Corey Redding, and Will Matthews, yet there are very few UT/Lions fans...Vince is a UT legend, but so are Williams (possibly the best WR in Texas history), Rogers (he's been to a Pro Bowl or two), and Redding (maybe not a legend, but he was a good player there who was a Lombardi award finalist)...I mean we could've drafted Redding and Williams (would've had to trade up), but we didn't, and there was no huge revolt...How is this different?
 
Caesar said:
And the same thing could be said about Bush. In Houston, he won't have a QB like Matt Leinart, second RB like Lendale White, an excellent TE, and a dominating offensive line like he did at USC. Heck, even with all those things, he looked pretty inconsistent the first time he played against a strong, fast defense. Sure he had some electric runs, but for every long one, he got stuffed four times. If Vince is not worth a #1 pick, Bush sure isn't.
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He only had like about a dozen carries and I remember him having alot more than 3 good runs so no he didn't get stuffed every 4 times he touch the ball. He still avg. 6.7 yards, not to mention 95 rec yards against your strong and fast defense. He might not have a offensive line like he did at USC, but he will have a line that allowed a 4th round pick to have two 1000 yard season and if DD could of stayed healthy it would of been three. Also yeah he won't have Lendale White, but DD is more than capable of splitting carries with him.
 
Vinny said:
There will be a lot of people go away from the message board if and when we pick Bush....but I don't qualify that as a "necessarily a bad thing". Most of them haven’t been here the first 4 years anyway, so it's not much of a threat.
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Thats fine with me, most likely the only ones that will split or the ones that joined in Jan 06 and of course the ones that say if we pass on Vince they will root against us. So I think that is a GOOD thing
 
im not boycotting or leaving anything if we draft bush...i have to be here to say "i told you so" when he busts, or be in line to get my crow if he is a phenom....if the texans do something different, its all a "moo point" (moo point? whats that? Its like an arguement a cow would make...it doesnt matter...its moo.)
 
I'm curious, since a few of the Longhorns on the board are threatening to boycott the team if we don't draft Young, what are your opinions of the University of Texas at Detroit?
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It tells me that if UT is putting out enough good players that a team in Michigan can find several worthy of starting for them, you'd think a team from Texas could notice them enough to bring in ONE early round pick in four years.
 
First of all let me get something straight: I don't care what the texans do with the pick, its not my decision and frankly I don't know what they should do. I'm not going to have a amorism if they draft Vince, trade down, or draft Bush.

I'm just sick of all the Vince is GOD or Draft Vince or die posts
 
Caesar said:
It tells me that if UT is putting out enough good players that a team in Michigan can find several worthy of starting for them, you'd think a team from Texas could notice them enough to bring in ONE early round pick in four years.
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What player, besides DJ, would you have taken and with what pick?

For the record I would have chosen DJ, but I think there is a reason why 14 teams passed on him.

I wouldn't put to much stock in that "Michigan" team's talent evaluation. Detroit fans hate Matt Millen more than Texan fans hate Casserly.
 
I think the Texans should hire a few hundred extra police officers armed in riot gear to be at the Texans Draft Party. When Young is passed over there will be a great possibility of looting and rioting.
 
Caesar said:
It tells me that if UT is putting out enough good players that a team in Michigan can find several worthy of starting for them, you'd think a team from Texas could notice them enough to bring in ONE early round pick in four years.
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Maybe we should do like the Lions because they won so many games this year. :rolleyes: :brickwall :ok:
 
swtbound07 said:
im not boycotting or leaving anything if we draft bush...i have to be here to say "i told you so" when he busts, or be in line to get my crow if he is a phenom....if the texans do something different, its all a "moo point" (moo point? whats that? Its like an arguement a cow would make...it doesnt matter...its moo.)
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I believe your looking for 'Moot Point" = no longer relavant.
 
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