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The "Won't be available at 13" Thread

beerlover said:
here is my best guess to date who will be gone by #13
  1. Alex Smith
  2. Aaron Rodgers
  3. Antrell Rolle
  4. Derrick Johnson
  5. Mike Williams
  6. Braylon Edwards
  7. Alex Barron
  8. Cedric Benson
  9. Erasmus James
  10. Cadillac Williams
  11. Thomas Davis
  12. Marcus Spears
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updated list as of 2-3-05
 
hou059 said:
Top 3 are Cedric Benson and Williams and Brown. Everyone else will be second round picks. I see all three backs going 1st round!
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Personally, I hope all three go in top 12 as someone we can use may go at 13. DD as our starter with a back up to save him a few carries is ok by me. :howdy:
 
beerlover said:
updated list as of 2-3-05
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I think we are plugging in BPA when we make these "gone before 13" lists, when actually alot of teams will take on need as well. Just an observation.
 
This kind of stuff knocks players down from primo money slots in the draft...
Oh, and another thing…Rolle is a total knucklehead. Going into the season, he was suspended for battery on a police officer. The charges were dropped, and Rolle played all year, but NFL teams don’t like guys who get charged with hitting cops, no matter how great they are because the likelihood of more stupid stunts to follow is troubling.
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http://www.draftboardinsider.com/players/CB/rolle-a.html
 
...but NFL teams don’t like guys who get charged with hitting cops...
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This is another reason why I'm always questioning what these internet scouts say. They could have looked up the truth about Rolle's incident as easily as I did.
Charges dropped against Miami's Rolle: Miami cornerback Antrel Rolle won't be tried for allegedly striking a police officer, and was reinstated to the team.

Hurricanes coach Larry Coker had indefinitely suspended Rolle after his arrest.

"I am extremely pleased that there has been a positive resolution to the issue," Coker said in a statement.

Assistant State Attorney Michael Grieco said that while the arrest was "valid," Rolle's "post-arrest contrition and lack of criminal history" led to the decision to drop the case. The physical contact between Rolle and the officer was "merely incidental," Grieco said.

Rolle — whose father is chief of police in nearby Homestead, Fla. — also participated in an ride-along session with Miami-Dade County police "during active nightlife hours," gaining an appreciation for officers' work, Grieco said.

According to a police complaint, Rolle was involved in a fight in a street near campus earlier this month and resisted arrest, cursing and swinging his arms in an attempt to free himself and forcing officers to call for backup help.

Along with the felony charge, Rolle was charged with disorderly conduct and resisting an officer without violence, both misdemeanors.
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NFL teams will interview Rolle and determine what kind of guy he is. I can't see this having an impact on too many teams boards. Maybe the Raiders might move Rolle up a few spots.
 
updated post NFL Combine- less QB's & RB's (-5)

1. Derrick Johnson
2. Mike Williams
3. Antrell Rolle
4. Alex Barron
5. Adam Pac-Man Jones
6. Braylon Edwards
7. Thomas Davis
8. Shawne Merriman
9. Marcus Spears
10. Jammal Brown
11. Troy Williamson
12. Justin Miller
13. David Pollack

subtracting the 5 picks, 5 players near the end of the list should be available for the Texans/Casserly to choose from. would y'all be happy with those :)
 
I think I have come to the conclusion that nobody will be available at the 13th pick. :cool:
 
:thumbup Come on Vinny your just hitting the wall push through it . How far did the Hampton WR move up by running so well ? Ronnie Brown I think is now top a 3 pick . I think the QBs are not so good that they won't be bumped . Are RBs cheaper at #1 than QBs ,cause the 49ers need alot of help and it does not seem like they have any takers for the first pick ?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Are RBs cheaper at #1 than QBs ,cause the 49ers need alot of help and it does not seem like they have any takers for the first pick ?
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Pretty much no--that is why you don't see many TE's, safeties or kickers/punters as top draft picks. The salary for their draft spot would put them in excess of the salaries for the best players at their positions already in the league.
 
Meloy said:
Personally, I hope all three go in top 12 as someone we can use may go at 13. DD as our starter with a back up to save him a few carries is ok by me. :howdy:
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Did we forget about Tony Hollings? He was great until he got hurt. And Jonathan Wells wasn't exactly the recking ball we all hoped but he was good enough to handle the load and give DD a breather from time to time.

I think we learn enough from past years that stacking one position doesn't really make things better. Case in point, Our TE situation. I still believe Billy Miller is our guy. But backing him up with a guy who hasn't played a down of ball in two years because he's always hurt or a guy who is way past his prime and his considered a "Blocking" TE yet we keep putting him out on routes. Is it me or does that seem like it doesn't make any sense?
 
From WildBlackBear32

To be blunt...it's pretty bad...

-No way DJ drops to 13.
-No way Marcus Johnson is the first OL off the board.
-No way Barron drops out of the top 15.
-The Pats drafted Wilfork last year, don't think they are gonna take another DT.

These are just at a quick glance..
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I wish I had some of last year's comments so we could compare them, like:

No way Randy Starks drops out of the 1st round.
No way Wilfork drops out of the top 20.
Detroit drafted Charles Rogers last year, don't think they are gonna take another WR.
 
the pats did take ben gordon and daniel graham in consecutive years, didn't they? the fact that they run both a 3-4 and 4-3 prolly puts a premium on DT. maybe they will go after a WR with patten in washington now.
 
royce1054 said:
Rolle, Merriman, Spears, Barron, Johnson, Pac-Man, Benson, C. Williams, Benson, Brown, Edwards, M. Williams wont be there are 13.
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Just figured I'd add in what I saw in another thread...
 
A couple of those guys might be there considering Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers will go within the first 10 picks. A couple of these guys will fall and I think Benson and Pac-Man maybe be available for us. Merriman may fall to us too. So I think we'll have 2 or 3 of the supposed top 10 players available.
 
I still say only two RBs will go before 13 and one will fall...Everything I've seen has the three rated very similarly, so based on how well each RB would fit in each system, I say Benson will fall to us...I'm not too sure if we'd take him though...
 
Boy how this is going to change over the next month. As needs and rumors begin circulating.

At this point my mind has completely been blown thinking about the draft.

:bag:
 
please don't let it blow your mind, here is my updated list of who will not be available @ 13-

1. Mike Williams
2. Braylon Edwards
3. Ronnie Brown
4. Cedric Benson
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Alex Smith
7. Antrell Rolle
8. Carnell Williams
9. Derrick Johnson
10. Shawne Merriman

this is clearly the top 10 group of NFL prospects, after that it becomes too close to call before the Texans pick, so I'm going to leave it at that, everyone else is fair game.
 
1. Mike Williams
2. Braylon Edwards
3. Ronnie Brown
4. Cedric Benson
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Alex Smith
7. Antrell Rolle
8. Carnell Williams
9. Derrick Johnson
10. Shawne Merriman
11. "Pac Man" Jones

EVERYONE seems to agree on the top 11 above - even if a few mocks interject another player or two in that forces one of them down to #13.

Now, we just hope that a few teams do the same thing. That Dallas decides it has to have Cody at #10 and Detroit or Washington take CRogers because Rolle and Jones are gone and they really want a CB - not that is the scenario I am predicting but that is what we need to happen.

Usually, about one or two weeks before the draft, between one and three players shoot up the rankings.

Let's just hope that James/SCody/DCody/Spears/CRogers/Williamson/HMiller or someone else slides up a few spots - leaving us one of those top 11. Then we take him - ragardless of position (except for QB which will be gone anyway).

Last year - PRivers, Hall and Dunta shot up the charts just before the draft (they were highly ranked but not considered top 10 until about a week before the draft). The same thing will happen this year. At least on the DL will shoot up and maybe a CB - Just wait and see.
 
If Benson fell I'd take him like a shot . . . unless someone else wanted to trade up to take him. And let's face it, they would.
 
BuffSoldier said:
I know a lot of people dont think that we should draft Barron, but I think if he falls to us and DJ, Rolle, and Pac-Man are gone(which they will be) then Barron is probably the BPA
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Taken from the Rob Rang mock thread...
 
I really hope the Texans don't use #13 on Barron. Just because he's the highest rated O-lineman in THIS draft doesn't mean he's a miracle cure for the team. Left tackle is one of, if not THE, hardest positions to play and it is even moreso for rookies in need of attitudinal adjustments. :loser
We'd be better off trading up for LB Johnson or trading down for a tweener or best available. I would like to see us pick up a good RB on day 2 so we have insurance against DD's annual injury bug.
 
Depending on who you talk to, some think Barron isn't even the top rated OT in this draft...Our O-Line coach was allegedly "drooling" over Khalif Barnes at his pro day...On the flip side of this, in an interview on ESPN 790, Casserly said that Barron could easily step in and make an impact here from day one...Let's just hope that was a smokescreen...
 
D-ReK said:
Depending on who you talk to, some think Barron isn't even the top rated OT in this draft...Our O-Line coach was allegedly "drooling" over Khalif Barnes at his pro day...On the flip side of this, in an interview on ESPN 790, Casserly said that Barron could easily step in and make an impact here from day one...Let's just hope that was a smokescreen...
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I've heard that Barnes is better from a variety of sources. He may be, but there are still no real "blue chippers" in this draft on the O-line.I wouldn't expect Casserly to say anything different, especially when we may end up drafting the guy. I think our line will improve a great deal just from staying together as a unit. Wand is a HUGE man and is still pretty raw. He must have an upside or why move Pitts to LG after we dropped to 36 sacks in '03? Remember Dallas' O-line in the early 90's? I think we have that potential. Draft big on "D" in the 1st round. THAT'S where we need more help. I hope the linebacker corps will have more of a killer instinct this year with all the changes we've made. Maybe we'll get lucky with #13 and get another shutdown corner to compliment Robinson in a year or two. Kinda hard to figure LB's with all the tweeners. Lots of potential, but fewer garuantees.
They need to add spellcheck on here. LOL idonno:
 
If anything, we should give up less sacks this season because of Carr having more 3 step drops with the receivers running timing routes, much like what happened in 2003...Either Cass or Capers, can't remember which, confessed that we brought Wand in a year to early and that he hadn't yet developed the technique or strength to handle top NFL DEs, but I think with a year of experience under his belt and another offseason in the Texans conditioning program, he should he much improvement next year...

The main thing our D needs is a solid pass rush, and I could see us using our 1st rounder on an OLB in an attempt to improve that...Our D should have more of a killer instinct with Peek on the field full time, since he's our most intense and feared player on D...I think getting a CB would be an ok idea, but Glenn has at least two quality years left in the tank and we gave Faggins a pretty good contract this offseason, so I can't really see us taking a 1st round CB unless Rolle were to somehow slip to us...
 
For an up to date recap on the won't be available at #13 players (drum roll please...):

Derrick Johnson
Mike Williams
Antrelle Rolle
Matt Leinart (now I am going to have to give this guy kudos)
Braylon Edwards
D'Brickshaw Ferguson (another Nostradamus--OK enough of the did not declared folks)
Cedric Benson
Cadillar Williams
Ronnie Brown
Aaron Rodgers
Alex Barron
Erasmus James
Thomas Davis
Alex Smith
Pac-Man Jones
Shawne Merriman
Demarcus Ware
Marcus Spears
Troy Williamson

Less than I expected, but that is 17 (Wags wins, less than 25--sheesh never heard of hyperbole), but nonetheless, the Texans should have their choice of 5 won't be available at #13 players.
 
Do I get any bonus points if my picks go before thirteen? Johnson, Williams, and Edwards.

Hyperbole? Is that something that ridilin can help?
 
wags said:
Hyperbole? Is that something that ridilin can help?
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Gee, I don't know--I'll have to look that up, well but first I have to wash the dog, I mean well speaking of washing, I need to powerwash the house, and then figure out my mock draft, but wait I could mock something or someone first, and I need to go pick up that prescription but nah, that can wait until after I redo the list in this thread on Saturday morning because I am sure there will be at least 200 players not available by then.
 
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