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The Vince Young dream is over. Casserly speaks definitively, decisively.

TexanBacker93 said:
That would depend on how well Bush or Williams performed for the team. If they were perennial pro bowl/all-pro players I would still think it was the best for the team. If a team has the right supporting players and the right system to support their QB even a non-"once in a lifetime" player can be great. Joe Montana and Tom Brady didn't exactly blow up the draft boards, but they fell into the right situations. This can happen at RB just as well, but right now I still feel Williams is the pick if the team wants to win Super Bowls. You win championships with Defense. You put casual fans in the seats with superstars, but you put real fans there for a longer time with a championship caliber team.
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So you think if Bush/Williams are perennial pro bowl/all-pro players, Carr would play bad enough to be competing for the starting job on his 3rd NFL team six/seven years from now??

Trust me, if Reggie/Mario can keep us in games, David can continue to develop as slowly as he wants... nobody cares, as long as we're winning.... I take that back, we don't even need to be winning.

But, the question asks if David is on his third team, I don't believe that David could play that bad, it's just a hypothetical, to get your response.

Frills said:
I wonder how much of the anti Vince sentiment is due to the frustration of UT fans hyping him 24/7 versus his actual ability?
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I woke up this morning, feeling it was time I stopped playing these silly games. Bush/Mario..... CC said it.. he even told us where to lay the blame, if we didn't like the pick.... he more or less told us were we could stick it.
So, I'm praticing my cheers, my chants......... Reggieee, Reggieee..... started contemplating buying an undersized #5 Jersey.... I sat down with my coffee, opened the Chronicle.......

and bam.... It's back on.......
 
I just don't get it. Sure Vince is from Houston and all, but he is NOT the best player for us. To me, and this is just my opinion, he is another Andre Ware. Bush can score TD's and that is what we need NOW. Super Mario, at best, could only get 1 sack a game. That is not a need, but I think signability is the key issue.

If we take Williams, and he may be a smoke screen for New Orleans trade, then New Orleans will definately trade out of the 2nd pick. Anyone agree?:twocents:
 
The UT fans are hilarious over there.

The day a GM or organization lets the fans decide the draft is the day they should be fired.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I just don't get it. Sure Vince is from Houston and all, but he is NOT the best player for us. To me, and this is just my opinion, he is another Andre Ware. Bush can score TD's and that is what we need NOW. Super Mario, at best, could only get 1 sack a game. That is not a need, but I think signability is the key issue.

If we take Williams, and he may be a smoke screen for New Orleans trade, then New Orleans will definately trade out of the 2nd pick. Anyone agree?:twocents:
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It's obvious I wouldn't make much money as a football scout. I don't know why Vince isn't rated as highly as Bush..... when Michael Vick was rated higher than McNabb & Culpepper. and Brees..... Makes me think there is some politicking going on. but IMHO, Vince Young is to quarterbacks, what Reggie Bush is to running backs...... & to say we need a runningback more than we need a quarterback in my mind is ludicrous(sp)

I understand the Texans have made moves since FA, that says they will not be looking at a QB in this draft at all........ I understand the Texans will not draft Vince Young, and I understand Vince will not be playing as a Houston Texan.....

But I don't understand how a QB coach who's played behind Elway, & coached Elway...... coached Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Clinton Portis, Rueben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Maurice Clarette, and Ron Dayne, would chose Reggie Bush over Vince Young.
 
gwallaia said:
Oh the Humanity!!!!!
http://forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwt...3&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1
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its pitiful how clueless (most of) those people are. 'they can trade carr'- you'd never think there wasnt a salary cap in college football. they also think every nfl defence will be like usc's.

seriously ive new found respect for VY-to-the-texans fans on this board. their posts are moderate and they accept reality unlike those horns fans.

they nearly all said they were never really texans fans anyway so i say good riddance
 
thunderkyss said:
It's obvious I wouldn't make much money as a football scout. I don't know why Vince isn't rated as highly as Bush..... when Michael Vick was rated higher than McNabb & Culpepper. and Brees..... Makes me think there is some politicking going on. but IMHO, Vince Young is to quarterbacks, what Reggie Bush is to running backs...... & to say we need a runningback more than we need a quarterback in my mind is ludicrous(sp)

I understand the Texans have made moves since FA, that says they will not be looking at a QB in this draft at all........ I understand the Texans will not draft Vince Young, and I understand Vince will not be playing as a Houston Texan.....

But I don't understand how a QB coach who's played behind Elway, & coached Elway...... coached Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Clinton Portis, Rueben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Maurice Clarette, and Ron Dayne, would chose Reggie Bush over Vince Young.
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May be that's why! I still think the 2nd try out was for a reason and it was conducted by Kubiak on an add-lib basis and not orchastrated by his tuitor. I still think there is something that was spoted that they don't like and Kubiak wanted to verify it. He's always talking about looking at film and verifying.

However, the most obvious answer is that it would take at least a year or two or VY to have an impact. NFL.COM had a feature on Elway and he didn't even have an impact in his 1st year. VY is good, but he's no Elway.

I think the Texans have concluded they need to win now to save their investment. That's why Bush or Mario are the top choices. Mario is the best from a best needs point of view at the present time, but Bush is the BPA at this point in time. If Bush is contract friendly, then he will be the pick.
 
thunderkyss said:
It's obvious I wouldn't make much money as a football scout. I don't know why Vince isn't rated as highly as Bush..... when Michael Vick was rated higher than McNabb & Culpepper. and Brees..... Makes me think there is some politicking going on. but IMHO, Vince Young is to quarterbacks, what Reggie Bush is to running backs...... & to say we need a runningback more than we need a quarterback in my mind is ludicrous(sp)

I understand the Texans have made moves since FA, that says they will not be looking at a QB in this draft at all........ I understand the Texans will not draft Vince Young, and I understand Vince will not be playing as a Houston Texan.....

But I don't understand how a QB coach who's played behind Elway, & coached Elway...... coached Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Clinton Portis, Rueben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Maurice Clarette, and Ron Dayne, would chose Reggie Bush over Vince Young.
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kubiak,being a qb coach, sees carr is a very good qb that doesnt need upgrading,reggie is a ready to go impact player. VY will take season/s to be nfl ready. DD is good but hes injury prone and bush and DD can play on the field at the same time- unlike caar and VY
 
I wanted Young, but I don't understand how you can be dissapointed with Bush, because if vince would have stayed and came out next yr. most of the "I'd kill for VY" guys would be out making custom made reggie bush jerseys right now...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I wanted Young, but I don't understand how you can be dissapointed with Bush, because if vince would have stayed and came out next yr. most of the "I'd kill for VY" guys would be out making custom made reggie bush jerseys right now...
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the only disappointment I will have with Reggie Bush, is that all the "Bush Bowl" fans will be appeased.
 
Frills said:
For thos who think Carr can't play, answer this.

Where is Pendry coaching this year?
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I think you would have to ask that question with a different name inserted. Chris Palmer and he is now with the Cowboys. Pendry was promoted to offensive cordinator the 3rd game of the season. Even though I don't think Pendry was worth beans did anyone really expect him to be able to install a new offense and make big changes after the season already started? So I think there are still big question marks over Carr until he proves otherwise. This season will be the make or break season for him.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I wanted Young, but I don't understand how you can be dissapointed with Bush, because if vince would have stayed and came out next yr. most of the "I'd kill for VY" guys would be out making custom made reggie bush jerseys right now...
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That is so entirely true. The moment that game ended (Rose Bowl) my first thought was that I hope Young doesn't come out now. I don't think the guy is going to be a failure or a bust or anything like that. I just think that I wanted to see what Carr did in Kubiak's system.

We just spent a #1 on a QB in 2002 and for the last four years we've seen him try to run Dom Capers version of the "Fisher-Price My First Offense". Throwing him out before we can see him in an alternate system would be stupid IMO.

I was really hoping that we could get a year with Reggie Bush and to evaluate David Carr, then if Vince Young repeated his 2005 performance and David Carr demonstrated clearly that something was wrong we could have targeted Young in the 2007 draft. He had to go get all impatient though and leave school early which screwed the whole scenario (in my mind) up.
 
bckey said:
I think you would have to ask that question with a different name inserted. Chris Palmer and he is now with the Cowboys. Pendry was promoted to offensive cordinator the 3rd game of the season. Even though I don't think Pendry was worth beans did anyone really expect him to be able to install a new offense and make big changes after the season already started? So I think there are still big question marks over Carr until he proves otherwise. This season will be the make or break season for him.
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I think you're still on the wrong name. I think the question you want to ask is "Which teams offense is Dom Capers "guiding" with his philosophy this season?"

The answer is of course nobody's offense because he's back on the defensive side of the ball where he belongs and where the offense is safely out of his reach.

Palmer has always been a quality offensive mind who got results and that only stopped when he became Dom's offensive coordinator and was forced to reign in what he wanted to do in order to fit into what Capers wanted. Palmer getting the axe in week 3 was the worst move the Texans made all season. Capers should have taken the hit and Palmer should have been elevated to HC. Then we might have seen some results from the offense.

In hindsight it was tough to watch but I'm glad we're heading in the direction we are currently.
 
I just hope Young doesn't go to Tennessee. Let him go to the Raiders, or better yet, an NFC team. I don't want us to have to play him twice a year...
 
Hervoyel said:
That is so entirely true. The moment that game ended (Rose Bowl) my first thought was that I hope Young doesn't come out now. I don't think the guy is going to be a failure or a bust or anything like that. I just think that I wanted to see what Carr did in Kubiak's system.
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OK, so I'm putting you down as someone who thinks Vince is worthy of the #1.... just not this year........ not that he's less talented, but because you like another player........ or another two players...... that's cool, that's fine..

I have no problem with people like you.
 
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