The Upcoming CBA

[CloakNNNdagger]

And so it begins.

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CBA talks expected to begin in April, Mara says
9:38 PM CT
Dan Graziano ESPN Staff Writer
PHOENIX -- Talks between the NFL and its players union on a new collective bargaining agreement are expected to begin in early to mid-April, New York Giants owner John Mara said Tuesday at the NFL's annual meeting.

Mara said there already have been talks "at the staff level" about setting up negotiating sessions for a new CBA. The current agreement, signed in 2011 following an offseason lockout, expires after the 2020 season.
Sources with the NFL and the NFL Players Association say both sides are motivated to reach a new agreement and avoid a work stoppage this time around. However, those sources cautioned that the collective bargaining process is complicated and unpredictable, and there's no guarantee a new agreement would be reached this offseason just because discussions begin.

"Any conversation with NFL owners will be a renegotiation for a new deal, not an extension," NFLPA president Eric Winston responded via Twitter. "At our board meetings, we told everyone to prepare for a work stoppage; nothing has changed."
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[ShinobiMusashi]

AAF getting the scabs ready

 

[Thorn]

AAF getting the scabs ready

That would be hilarious if that happened. The XFL, which is in no state of mind to cooperate with the NFL like the AAF does, starts up in 2020 and a player lockout could really work to the XFL's advantage. Just imagine the possible crazy scenarios that could occur if a player's lockout happened at the same time as the start of the XFL and the 2nd season of the AAF. That in itself could be more entertaining than OBs Texans.

 

[Speedy]

That in itself could be more entertaining than OBs Texans

To be fair, that’s not a very high bar.

 

[Texecutioner]

That would be hilarious if that happened. The XFL, which is in no state of mind to cooperate with the NFL like the AAF does, starts up in 2020 and a player lockout could really work to the XFL's advantage. Just imagine the possible crazy scenarios that could occur if a player's lockout happened at the same time as the start of the XFL and the 2nd season of the AAF. That in itself could be more entertaining than OBs Texans.

Here comes the lunacy idea that the XFL could somehow threaten the NFL.

 

[IDEXAN]

And so it begins.

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"Any conversation with NFL owners will be a renegotiation for a new deal, not an extension," NFLPA president Eric Winston responded via Twitter. "At our board meetings, we told everyone to prepare for a work stoppage; nothing has changed."
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Has Winston played a single snap in the last couple years ? See I thought the NFLPA Prez would need to be an active NFL football player ?

 

[infantrycak]

Has Winston played a single snap in the last couple years ? See I thought the NFLPA Prez would need to be an active NFL football player ?

Eric Winston played 2017. Why would you think that? Anyway, the Executive Director (DeMaurice Smith) is the big dog in the NFLPA.

 

[IDEXAN]

Eric Winston played 2017. Why would you think that? Anyway, the Executive Director (DeMaurice Smith) is the big dog in the NFLPA.

So even if he's only the titular head of the NFLPA, guess then the answer is a person no longer an active player in the league can hold the position.

 

[infantrycak]

So even if he's only the titular head of the NFLPA, guess then the answer is a person no longer an active player in the league can hold the position.

The Executive Director, President & Executive Committee can all be either. Not sure why that is surprising. Hell fans would be/are mouthing off about not fully dedicated to football on current players. E.g. Winston and some fans here. There is also a current player rep from each team (which is where Winston started).

Troy Vincent was President 2 years as a player then 2 after. Then Kevin Mawae last year as a player then 3 after. Then Dominique Foxworth 3 years after. Then Winston. So Winston is typical, a player at the tail end or just past playing.

 

[steelbtexan]

The Executive Director, President & Executive Committee can all be either. Not sure why that is surprising. Hell fans would be/are mouthing off about not fully dedicated to football on current players. E.g. Winston and some fans here. There is also a current player rep from each team (which is where Winston started).

Troy Vincent was President 2 years as a player then 2 after. Then Kevin Mawae last year as a player then 3 after. Then Dominique Foxworth 3 years after. Then Winston. So Winston is typical, a player at the tail end or just past playing.

I see Winston has accomplished his goal of finally getting to be unapologetic clubhouse lawyer.

 

[steelbtexan]

delete

 

[infantrycak]

I see Winston has accomplished his goal of finally getting to be unapologetic clubhouse lawyer.

Exhibit A.

 

[steelbtexan]

Exhibit A.

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[infantrycak]

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Read a few posts back.

 

[Lucky]

Why do fans always hate on the players when there’s a negotiation? Who goes to the game to watch the owner? I’m not saying take the players’ side every time. Just don’t take a side and let them handle their business like you handle yours.

 

[Texecutioner]

Why do fans always hate on the players when there’s a negotiation? Who goes to the game to watch the owner? I’m not saying take the players’ side every time. Just don’t take a side and let them handle their business like you handle yours.

Because we've got common sense.

Only a special type of idiot would root for the athletes who always want more money, more guaranteed money whether they play well or not, and no salary cap where certain cities can just buy championships and all of the competitiveness goes out the window in all types of ways.

Hopefully the NFL owners play hardball so badly that we miss an entire season. Nothing would make me more happy than to see the players go back to realizing how much power the owners have if they really want to show them who has it.

 

[Texecutioner]

I see Winston has accomplished his goal of finally getting to be unapologetic clubhouse lawyer.

They couldn't have found a whinier know it all for the job. I hope he gets embarrassed on this next one.

 

[JB]

Because we've got common sense.

Only a special type of idiot would root for the athletes who always want more money, more guaranteed money whether they play well or not, and no salary cap where certain cities can just buy championships and all of the competitiveness goes out the window in all types of ways.

Hopefully the NFL owners play hardball so badly that we miss an entire season. Nothing would make me more happy than to see the players go back to realizing how much power the owners have if they really want to show them who has it.

Uggh

 

[Texecutioner]

Uggh

Maybe you enjoy player holdouts, kneeling, political charades, and tirades on the sidelines more than I do I suppose, but I'm with the owners all day long on the CBA.

 

[Lucky]

Because we've got common sense..

Why is common sense so often a synonym for ignorance?

Will fans get one dollar off their ticket price if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?
Will fans get one dollar off their parking pass if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?
Will fans get one dollar off their team jersey if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?
Will fans get one dime off their price for a stadium hot dog if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?
Will fans see one less ad during the game if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?

No . Nada. Negatory. Nope. Never.

But, it's just common sense to support the owners.

 

[JB]

Maybe you enjoy player holdouts, kneeling, political charades, and tirades on the sidelines more than I do I suppose, but I'm with the owners all day long on the CBA.

wow, Imma be drumk, but not that drumk

 

[Texecutioner]

Why is common sense so often a synonym for ignorance?

Will fans get one dollar off their ticket price if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?
Will fans get one dollar off their parking pass if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?
Will fans get one dollar off their team jersey if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?
Will fans get one dime off their price for a stadium hot dog if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?
Will fans see one less ad during the game if the owners "win" their negotiations with the players?

No . Nada. Negatory. Nope. Never.

But, it's just common sense to support the owners.

Its called watching a much better competitive sport where the best guys are motivated to compete. Huge reason why a lot of companies have "incentive" based pay, because it keeps employees inspired to work hard for the company. You overpay someone and continue to spoil, spoil, spoil, you end up with a brat that meets only half their potential. A league full of brats that run their own league gives you the NBA. We have that product if you want to see a sport that got ruined by what you're asking for.

 

[Texecutioner]

wow, Imma be drumk, but not that drumk

Not sure what your opinion really is here.

 

[Lucky]

You overpay someone and continue to spoil, spoil, spoil, you end up with a brat that meets only half their potential.

Getting paid never seemed to keep guys like Drew Brees or Tom Brady from meeting their potential. I could make a list a mile long of players making good money and still preforming.

And if a guy underachieves, isn't that on the team as much as the player? It's the team that made the bad investment. And why is the owner motivated to produce the best product if he's making money hand over fist, anyway. I'd like to see winning teams get a bigger chunk of the pie, and the losers less.

 

[Texecutioner]

Getting paid never seemed to keep guys like Drew Brees or Tom Brady from meeting their potential. I could make a list a mile long of players making good money and still preforming.

Name two HOF's, and act like tons of others didn't totally tank? How honest of you. I guess I just imagined all of these bad contracts that teams have paid on players year after year. Tom Brady and Brees kept playing at high levels, so thats all the proof necessary until eternity.

And if a guy underachieves, isn't that on the team as much as the player? It's the team that made the bad investment.

Why do you drag your politics into sports related stuff that has nothing to do with it? You're presenting the same one sided arguments to players, and suggesting that its not possible that they could become bad employees that don't show up to work on time, miss practice, give poor efforts, fail to study playbooks, or do their overall job expectations presented to them by their coaches. They aren't toddlers like you are trying to suggest. They are grown men. You somehow have targeted professional athlete as "a victim" in all situations involving them and the owners. Its the same mentality guys like Lebron James have tried to push through the media calling it slavery and stuff like that, and you aren't even using "logical" arguments here. You're acting as if players don't screw up their careers every day in front of our eyes. Some players are bad investments because they are damaged goods at times, or sometimes they were a bad fit for a certain system. Yes, that happens too and coaching can become a factor in all of that. Common sense. So is the fact that a lot players tank it once they've gotten paid a lot of money.

And why is the owner motivated to produce the best product if he's making money hand over fist, anyway. I'd like to see winning teams get a bigger chunk of the pie, and the losers less.

They do.

 

[Lucky]

They do.

"Common sense" would suggest they do. The reality is, all get an equal chunk of the TV, sponsorships, licensing and merchandise deals. Where is their incentive to succeed and not become spoiled brats?

 

[Texecutioner]

"Common sense" would suggest they do. The reality is, all get an equal chunk of the TV, sponsorships, licensing and merchandise deals. Where is their incentive to succeed and not become spoiled brats?

Not gonna keep answering such really stupid questions.

1. They want fan support and attendance or they end up leaving to another city. If they have garbage team for long enough, fans stop showing up in most cases. As a fan that's your job to decide on what you'll accept and support over a long period of time with your team. You obviously will accept a lot, because you're a fan of shitty organization like the Texans over 20 years and the Oilers before that, so you're a perfect example of how far fans will go to keep supporting a bad organization. Bud Adams told you and others to kiss his ass though and bolted out of town for greener pastures when you didn't support his franchise enough to give him a stadium when he obviously needed it. The fans were negative towards him. He left as a result. Bud likely didn't want to be in that predicament, but he was because of a lot of his own actions as well. A lot of examples in there.



Again, all common sense.

 

[Lucky]

Not gonna keep answering such really stupid questions.

1. They want fan support and attendance or they end up leaving to another city. If they have garbage team for long enough, fans stop showing up in most cases. As a fan that's your job to decide on what you'll accept and support over a long period of time with your team. You obviously will accept a lot, because you're a fan of shitty organization like the Texans over 20 years and the Oilers before that, so you're a perfect example of how far fans will go to keep supporting a bad organization. Bud Adams told you and others to kiss his ass though and bolted out of town for greener pastures when you didn't support his franchise enough to give him a stadium when he obviously needed it. The fans were negative towards him. He left as a result. Bud likely didn't want to be in that predicament, but he was because of a lot of his own actions as well. A lot of examples in there.



Again, all common sense.

So shiity organizations over bratty players? Do you even like pro football?

 

[Texecutioner]

So shiity organizations over bratty players? Do you even like pro football?

Respond with things I've said, not stupidity that I haven't.

So far you haven't made one SINGLE argument to defend what you originally said.

I'm right 100% until I see an actual attempt on your part. I don't expect you'll try, but you are free to.

 

[badboy]

I think NFL will offer bunches of cash, increase in team rosters, better officiating via tech, shorter preseason, permission to "toke out" and players will walk season to brink possibly even a handful of games before agreeing.

 

[badboy]

I think NFL will offer bunches of cash, increase in team rosters, better officiating via tech, shorter preseason, permission to "toke out" and players will walk season to brink possibly even a handful of games before agreeing.

 

[steelbtexan]

"Common sense" would suggest they do. The reality is, all get an equal chunk of the TV, sponsorships, licensing and merchandise deals. Where is their incentive to succeed and not become spoiled brats?

The McNair's Houston Texans since 2002.

 

[Lucky]

I think NFL will offer bunches of cash, increase in team rosters, better officiating via tech, shorter preseason, permission to "toke out" and players will walk season to brink possibly even a handful of games before agreeing.

The days of strikes are over. Too much money on the table. Plenty of posturing on both sides, but the deal will get done.

 

[badboy]

The days of strikes are over. Too much money on the table. Plenty of posturing on both sides, but the deal will get done.

Yes, too much turkey and dressing on table too kick the table over for a little more gravy when huge bowl already in front of each plate.

 

[steelbtexan]

The days of strikes are over. Too much money on the table. Plenty of posturing on both sides, but the deal will get done.

Hopefully

Also hopefully the NFLPA will trade off the 18 game season for the ability to limit God'ell's suspension powers and making smoking weed a non suspendable offense.

In short, I hope the NFLPA no longer allows God'ell to be judge and jury. I dont want to see God'ell ever presiding over Bountygate/Deflategate/Zekegate etc...

Take the evidence to a nuetral arbitrator and let him decide the punishment for these offenses, if they even were offenses. What God'ell currently does has the ability to change the balance of the NFL. I think the Cowboys would've made the playoffs without Zekegate or God'ell tried to do the same thing with Deflategate with no evidence on either one of these things.

Tags overturned God'ell's star caps decision and now God'ell will never put himself in a position of having and independent person getting the chance to overrule his decisions unless he's forced to in the CBA negs and the NFLPA. They need to look out for their union members and for the betterment of the game. Because you know the Owners/God'ell could care less about the betterment of the game. They are all about the $$$$ and the 18 game season should help a deal become possible because the owners will make more $$$$.

What amazes me and makes me think the NFL is rigged is even after the NFCCG some owners still voted against replay on PI calls.

 

[Thorn]

I don't think the NFL is rigged, but I do think it's full of incompetency.