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The Texans are doing a great job in making me hate this team

As soon as I clicked this thread and seen the threadstarters avatar, I just already knew there was no reason for me to continue reading:rofl:

Boy, these Texas fans are something else. *shakes his head in utter disbelief*
 
Further more you say lay down your credentials; all you are doing is blah blah blah I watched the oilers and I like to brag about spending money. You haven't stated whether you ever even played the game and for what team. You ever coached anything other then the kids in the backyard? Probably not. I come from a football family. My dad played in school as I. I also played a little in college. I have coached and volunteered for my local little league teams. I don't have season tickets. I can't afford tickets. I hate to spend money that my family needs on something that is so expensive. I am a true fan though. I will always look forward to seeing our guys play and better themselves.
 
TexansFight said:
I don't think some of you get it. I am not feeling this way about the Texas just because they look like they are not going to draft VY. Not drafting VY is the proverbial staw that breaks the camel's back for me. Hervoyel said that I have always been negative about this team. Well, considering we were 2-14 last year there isn't much to praise.

I had very high expectations for the Texans in becoming the pro football team that I always wished the Oilers were. I thought we finally had the right type of owner and could create something special here.

Well unfortunately that has not been the case. The Texans have shown that they are VERY slow to respond to obvious problems if they do so at all. I have wanted Charley Casserly gone since the second year because I have hated his drafts and because of this failure to address glaring problems like our offensive line. That he was able to keep his job to me shows that McNair doesn't realize how deep his problems are. He either is conning himself or is being conned into thinking that this team is close to being a playoff team. I think Casserly is selling him this line of bs to cover for his stinker of a job by deflecting all of the blame to Capers.

Casserly is complaining that if we take VY we will be starting over. HELLO EARTH TO CHARLIE!!! We were 2-14 last year. The number of holes on this team are alarming. As bad as our O-line is our entire defense is worse. We have absolutely no playmakers in our front 7. We need some ends and OLB worth a damn before we turn this team around.

This team stinks and is not as if our record this past year is an anamoly but that is exactly what the Texans want to sell you. I believe radical change is necessary. That is why I advocate taking VY. If we had a competent GM I would have no problem in trading down and getting a guy like D'brick or Hawk plus more picks to shore up all the holes this team has.

The Texans allowed one of the most inept coaching staffs to coach this team for 4 years. They allowed a situation to exist where the OC and coach were on completely different pages. They bypassed a playmaking LB in DJ and took a guy they didn't help us at all. I am a proud Longhorn but that does not rule what I think the Texans should do. However, I feel that the Texans have almost intentionally shunned us in favor of Aggies. Caesar has listed the Horns who could have helped us that we passed on and I agree with him that they could threw us a friggin bone. I would like to see if they pass up on the Horns OL and TE that are coming out which are positions that we need.

Basically, I have been very unhappy and angry with the direction of this team. I am passionate about them. Like you I want nothing more than seeing the Texans in the Super Bowl. If we got VY it would change the losing culture that this team has and would show other players that mediocrity won't be tolerated. This needs to happen.
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so when exactly are you leaving for good?
 
TexansFight said:
Well things haven't worked out so well. We had one of the most incompetent coaching staffs in NFL history over the past 4 years. These guys should have been gone a long time ago. McNair has let Casserly and his Reign of Error destroy the expansion bounty of draft picks and free agents which should have laid a foundation for success for this team. He has not addressed the offensive line since the beginning and he has made egregious errors that all of us know about. I have hated his drafts since the beginning. I was fine with Carr at the time but the rest of his picks even in that first draft were average to terrible. That Casserly still has a job is ridiculous.

Basically, I love Houston and am a Houston homer all the way around. However, if the Texans pass on VY and pick Bush instead that will be the final nail in the coffin for me as a fan of this team. I have great amount of anger towards this team. I feel that McNair sticks with losers like Carr and Capers way too long and is not proactive enough. The albatross, Casserly, is not going to admit to his mistake with Carr. We have witnessed boring football and a try not to make the score not like bad while not trying to win attitude that drove me crazy.

If the Texans want to be the Texags and associate with the losing tradition of aggy football that is fine by me. But they won't have me as a fan and I will root against them with great vigor. I am not alone in this regard. Checkout hornfans.com and see what other Houston UT fans have to say about this. A team that will pass on VY who would recapture the excitement we all felt when we beat the Cowboys in the first game multiplied by ten and would rather keep Carr is no team of mine. This is such a no brainer yet these guys will screw it up. I am so angry and disheartened by this team. Y'all can have Kubiag and the rest of these losers while I won't have team anymore like when the Oilers left. I will root for whatever team VY is on and hope that he will kill the Texans.
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1.) Capers was far from incompetent. He took a team from its infancy to a 7-9 record in just three years. That's far, far from incompetency.
2.) Remember who was with the team when the Texans beat the Cowboys. Carr and Capers, the two folks you are apparently exasperated with.
3.) Kubiak is a bad choice because of his lack of experience both as a head and sidelines coach as well as his spotty record as OC of the Broncs. Whether he is a former Aggie or not, who cares. What do you expect the Texans to do? Just draft the entire Aggies senior team? Are you one of the guys who wanted Bucky Richardson to replace Warren Moon? Or are you lobbying for Slocum as defensive coordinator?
4.) The Texans aren't making me hate them but I must admit they are making me feel more and more apathetic towards them -- and that's not good when you alienate your base season ticketholders, of which I have been one since the inception of the team. The Texans have made many, many boneheaded moves but not the ones you are talking about. For example, I think they should have kept Capers on as coach of this team. After all, both coaches of the teams who are in the SB this year had bad years but they weren't fired. Good thing, too. Why fire Capers for one bad season and three good ones? That was nonsensical. Plus it looks like they are about to make a huge, huge mistake and draft a player into a position they are already strong in (Bush or Young). If it was any team other than the Texans who had the top pick and the team had as many holes as the Texans do, everybody on this board would be saying they should trade the pick.
 
Bobo said:
1.) Capers was far from incompetent. He took a team from its infancy to a 7-9 record in just three years. That's far, far from incompetency.
2.) Remember who was with the team when the Texans beat the Cowboys. Carr and Capers, the two folks you are apparently exasperated with.
3.) Kubiak is a bad choice because of his lack of experience both as a head and sidelines coach as well as his spotty record as OC of the Broncs. Whether he is a former Aggie or not, who cares. What do you expect the Texans to do? Just draft the entire Aggies senior team? Are you one of the guys who wanted Bucky Richardson to replace Warren Moon? Or are you lobbying for Slocum as defensive coordinator?
4.) The Texans aren't making me hate them but I must admit they are making me feel more and more apathetic towards them -- and that's not good when you alienate your base season ticketholders, of which I have been one since the inception of the team. The Texans have made many, many boneheaded moves but not the ones you are talking about. For example, I think they should have kept Capers on as coach of this team. After all, both coaches of the teams who are in the SB this year had bad years but they weren't fired. Good thing, too. Why fire Capers for one bad season and three good ones? That was nonsensical. Plus it looks like they are about to make a huge, huge mistake and draft a player into a position they are already strong in (Bush or Young). If it was any team other than the Texans who had the top pick and the team had as many holes as the Texans do, everybody on this board would be saying they should trade the pick.
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1. It's been a while, and I don't really recall, but hasn't Capers been fired before? It seems he comes in with a big bang, poof, then fizzles out.

2. IMHO, beating the Cowboys back then wasn't really a big accomplishment, since both teams were almost equally bad.

3. If wonder if there would even be a conversation about Vince or Reggie if Kubiak would have been hired the first time he applied for the job.

4. I believe that Young is a rare talent that will be great one day, no proof as with any other initial belief, but if it comes to past, it would hurt that the Texans had the right of first refusal. However, I won't base selecting Young as the pick as to whether or not I renew my season's tickets. I don't believe it is a University thing, and if he had attended A & M or Florida, I expect that he would command the same performance based attention that he is now getting.
 
Man, I will be happy if we draft Young. I will be happy if we draft Bush. I will be happy if we trade the pick. I'm just happy we are stopping the madness that was the last year and a half or so...
 
Bobo - How exactly has Denver's offense while Kubiak was OC been spotty?
10 of the 11 years they were in the top 10 in scoring. 8 of the 11 years they were in the top 5 in yards. The only other team that can approach that success in the past 10 years is the Packers. The team produces 1,000 yard running backs like the Texans produce linemen that give up 15 sacks a year. This wasn't done with flashy high dollar free agent spendings either. It was through solid drafting and coaching. Has he been a head coach before? No. Neither was Cowher when he got his shot in Pittsburgh. Nor had Holmgren when Green Bay hired him. With Kubiak the Texans get a head coach that hasn't been fired from a previous job for being incompetent or just plain lousy.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
Bobo - How exactly has Denver's offense while Kubiak was OC been spotty?
10 of the 11 years they were in the top 10 in scoring. 8 of the 11 years they were in the top 5 in yards. The only other team that can approach that success in the past 10 years is the Packers. The team produces 1,000 yard running backs like the Texans produce linemen that give up 15 sacks a year. This wasn't done with flashy high dollar free agent spendings either. It was through solid drafting and coaching. Has he been a head coach before? No. Neither was Cowher when he got his shot in Pittsburgh. Nor had Holmgren when Green Bay hired him. With Kubiak the Texans get a head coach that hasn't been fired from a previous job for being incompetent or just plain lousy.
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An added note to this post on stats (nice job on this BTW), I saw on ESPN that since Kubiak and Shanahan took over in Denver, over the 11 year span, the Broncos are #1 in scoring offense and #1 in rushing offense over the course of those 11 seasons (I thought I posted that on here before but maybe I didn't or it was on another thread), but that is far from having a questionable track record in Denver.
 
TexansFight said:
Let me lay down my credentials. I grew up in Houston and grew up being a diehard Houston sports fan. I lived and breathed Oilers football and whenever they lost I was down until Wednesday. Even now that I live in New York I follow all the Houston sports teams via the internet and listen to Houston sports talk over the internet and I make it home often to attend at least 3 Texans games a year.

I have been around these message boards for a while. In fact I was on the LA Times message board starting around 1999 discussing the expansion process and one of the Houston posters even went to the Chicago for the owner's meeting. I was ecstatic when we were awarded another team and loved the logo (not really the name) and was excited about everything about our new team. I own field box PSLs with my family and have spent a lot of money on this team. I thought with McNair we would have a golden age of football in Houston and that we finally had the owner we always deserved.

Well things haven't worked out so well. We had one of the most incompetent coaching staffs in NFL history over the past 4 years. These guys should have been gone a long time ago. McNair has let Casserly and his Reign of Error destroy the expansion bounty of draft picks and free agents which should have laid a foundation for success for this team. He has not addressed the offensive line since the beginning and he has made egregious errors that all of us know about. I have hated his drafts since the beginning. I was fine with Carr at the time but the rest of his picks even in that first draft were average to terrible. That Casserly still has a job is ridiculous.

Basically, I love Houston and am a Houston homer all the way around. However, if the Texans pass on VY and pick Bush instead that will be the final nail in the coffin for me as a fan of this team. I have great amount of anger towards this team. I feel that McNair sticks with losers like Carr and Capers way too long and is not proactive enough. The albatross, Casserly, is not going to admit to his mistake with Carr. We have witnessed boring football and a try not to make the score not like bad while not trying to win attitude that drove me crazy.

If the Texans want to be the Texags and associate with the losing tradition of aggy football that is fine by me. But they won't have me as a fan and I will root against them with great vigor. I am not alone in this regard. Checkout hornfans.com and see what other Houston UT fans have to say about this. A team that will pass on VY who would recapture the excitement we all felt when we beat the Cowboys in the first game multiplied by ten and would rather keep Carr is no team of mine. This is such a no brainer yet these guys will screw it up. I am so angry and disheartened by this team. Y'all can have Kubiag and the rest of these losers while I won't have team anymore like when the Oilers left. I will root for whatever team VY is on and hope that he will kill the Texans.
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You are a Texas fan? No. Really?

Do me a favor, when you sell your PSL field box seating, try to sell them to a fan who appreciates the game and this football team b/c apperently you dont.

You may be tired of watching this team and the way it is being constructed but I am perosnally tired of reading the posts from the over privaleged who pout and whine and moan b/c they cant get there way.

If your loyalties are so shallow and norrow minded that you would stop rooting for a team b/c of your precious longhorn, then this team never needed you to be a fan to begin with.

Cry me a river:crying:
 
I Love VY but if not drafting him means we get rid of sorry fans like you that boo at our home games than that is fine with me. You would fit right in with the cowboy fans:loser
 
I remember the longhorn fans calling for Mack's head up until this past season...something about losing 5 straight to OU.

Amazing how one off year from OU can turn a coach and QB into superstars.
 
Frills said:
I remember the longhorn fans calling for Mack's head up until this past season...something about losing 5 straight to OU.

Amazing how one off year from OU can turn a coach and QB into superstars.
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Amazing, isn't it?

I would have loved to see the Horns face a primo OU team, not this sorry batch of underclassmen that Stoops put out there this year. I am not even saying the Horns would have lost, but I would have loved to see that game.
 
Wonder when the GREAT Mack Brown will be wearing the NFL headset??? The suspense is killing me...... How about..... NEVER!!!!!!!!
 
Frills said:
I remember the longhorn fans calling for Mack's head up until this past season...something about losing 5 straight to OU.

Amazing how one off year from OU can turn a coach and QB into superstars.
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Give it a year or two. The next time he loses to OU, he'll be back on the chopping block. And the same kind of fans who want to trash the Texans for not taking their pick are the same kind of fans who will be ready to kick Mack out of Texas once he loses his next one to OU.
 
jerek said:
Amazing, isn't it?

I would have loved to see the Horns face a primo OU team, not this sorry batch of underclassmen that Stoops put out there this year. I am not even saying the Horns would have lost, but I would have loved to see that game.
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They did. Its the 2004 OU team.

The team that VY had problems against and the one where Bush nearly broke every OU defenders ankles trying to stop him.
 
exclude said:
They did. Its the 2004 OU team.

The team that VY had problems against and the one where Bush nearly broke every OU defenders ankles trying to stop him.
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Good point. That year, both VY and RB played the same team. Bush did better.
 
Frills said:
I remember the longhorn fans calling for Mack's head up until this past season...something about losing 5 straight to OU.

Amazing how one off year from OU can turn a coach and QB into superstars.
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Actually, it is my opinion that VY just made Mack Brown look great. Brown didn't just become a genious overnight. I wouldn't be surprised to see the old Mack Brown back next season.
 
exclude said:
They did. Its the 2004 OU team.

The team that VY had problems against and the one where Bush nearly broke every OU defenders ankles trying to stop him.
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According to ESPN's records, Bush only had 106 yards of total offense (granted it was only on 8 touches) and 0 TDs that game, while Vince went 8/23 for 86 yards and had 16 carries for 54 yards in their game vs. OU, so neither did especially well, although Bush did outperform Vince.
 
MorKnolle said:
According to ESPN's records, Bush only had 106 yards of total offense (granted it was only on 8 touches) and 0 TDs that game, while Vince went 8/23 for 86 yards and had 16 carries for 54 yards in their game vs. OU, so neither did especially well, although Bush did outperform Vince.
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Boxscore from the game
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArt...SPID=190&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=300&ATCLID=99869

If anything, this exercise will show once again that Lendale White brings his A game when the spot light is at its hottest.
 
TexansFight said:
A team that will pass on VY who would recapture the excitement we all felt when we beat the Cowboys in the first game multiplied by ten and would rather keep Carr is no team of mine. This is such a no brainer yet these guys will screw it up. I am so angry and disheartened by this team. Y'all can have Kubiag and the rest of these losers while I won't have team anymore like when the Oilers left. I will root for whatever team VY is on and hope that he will kill the Texans.
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I understand how a fan might really, really, want the Texans to draft Vince Young, but the bottom line is if you're willing to root against the Texans just because they don't have one player, then you are not a true fan. However, the point he makes is legitimate. If the Texans want to recapture that founding excitement, AND build a team around a winning QB, then he is the right guy for the job. I am a Texans fan, but I am a football realist first, and no team that changes their defense in the off-season is going to have a good season the following year, especially without a high-powered offense, which the Texans don't have the O-line to do.
 
Fighting Blue Hen said:
Actually, it is my opinion that VY just made Mack Brown look great. Brown didn't just become a genious overnight. I wouldn't be surprised to see the old Mack Brown back next season.
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I can't believe someone would say this, Mack Brown's record speaks for itself.
I hope you don't really believe this to be true, no need to bash Mack Brown to make your point

Brown at Texas since 1998. 70 Wins, 19 losses. Does that sound like it happened overnight?

He is 90-22; .804 % - over the last nine years.
Since 1990 - Mack Brown (TEXAS/NORTH CAROLINA) 137-45-1 ; .753 %

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball....annel_id=&url_article_id=615&change_well_id=2

If the old Mack Brown means 10 or 11 wins without VY that would be pretty damn good.
 
Frills said:
I remember the longhorn fans calling for Mack's head up until this past season...something about losing 5 straight to OU.

Amazing how one off year from OU can turn a coach and QB into superstars.
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I consider myself a Longhorn fan, and I still think Mack has to prove that HE can coach a team to a National Championship; not simply inherit a player whose own greatness is able to rise above Mack's inability to win big games. I think that's why most people who follow Texas realize this guy is so great, he overcame a mediocre coaching system (the entire story of the team was how the coaches got out of his way and let him LEAD the team to victory) and brought home the hardware. There is no doubt in my mind that there have been WAY more talented UT teams (Simms, anyone?) and they could not get the job done because they lacked the quality that Young brings to the table, the exact same ingredient the Texans are missing...

BTW; OU and USC are still class of the NCAA, he has seen just as much top-flight talent as any other player in the draft, not to mention the OU teams of 03-04 and 04-05...
 
DaveCarr@andrejohnson.net said:
Bush won the hieman did young? no
david carr won the hieman i guess they are both better than him
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm common sense genius
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Carr was a Heisman finalist, but he didn't win it, Eric Crouch did...
 
Hardcore Texan said:
I can't believe someone would say this, Mack Brown's record speaks for itself.
I hope you don't really believe this to be true, no need to bash Mack Brown to make your point

Brown at Texas since 1998. 70 Wins, 19 losses. Does that sound like it happened overnight?

He is 90-22; .804 % - over the last nine years.
Since 1990 - Mack Brown (TEXAS/NORTH CAROLINA) 137-45-1 ; .753 %

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball....annel_id=&url_article_id=615&change_well_id=2

If the old Mack Brown means 10 or 11 wins without VY that would be pretty damn good.
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Dude, you can quote all the winning %s you want, but add up the ones against top ten teams (especially before this VY dream season) and you'll see the disparity where it matters...
 
TreWardTxn said:
I consider myself a Longhorn fan, and I still think Mack has to prove that HE can coach a team to a National Championship; not simply inherit a player whose own greatness is able to rise above Mack's inability to win big games. I think that's why most people who follow Texas realize this guy is so great, he overcame a mediocre coaching system (the entire story of the team was how the coaches got out of his way and let him LEAD the team to victory) and brought home the hardware. There is no doubt in my mind that there have been WAY more talented UT teams (Simms, anyone?) and they could not get the job done because they lacked the quality that Young brings to the table, the exact same ingredient the Texans are missing...

BTW; OU and USC are still class of the NCAA, he has seen just as much top-flight talent as any other player in the draft, not to mention the OU teams of 03-04 and 04-05...
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My point exactly about Mack Brown. He always did great against the Lousiana Technical Junior Colleges of the world. I want to see him beat OU and win a championship without that freak named Vince Young. Heck, Franchione could probably even win a NC with Vince Young. :rolleyes:
 
Fighting Blue Hen said:
My point exactly about Mack Brown. He always did great against the Lousiana Technical Junior Colleges of the world. I want to see him beat OU and win a championship without that freak named Vince Young. Heck, Franchione could probably even win a NC with Vince Young. :rolleyes:
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Now, let's not be too hasty. This is Franchione we're talking about.

Yes, Mack has an awesome record. Yes, his record is really tarnished if you look at his team vs. other top 10 teams. That being said, I don't think we should take away from what he did this year. Texas is both the Big XII and the National Champions, and I don't think Vince Young could have done that without Mack or the rest of the 'Horns.

To get back on topic: we were 2-14. Bottom of the gutter. Coaching was a huge reason we stunk up the football fields last year. However, we happen to be in a very nice place. There are two football players who will, in their own way, light up the NFL. Either one would be a great advantage, and the one thing out of this, IMHO, is we are in a win-win-win scenario. Take Vince, we win. Take Reggie, we win. Trade down, we win some great picks. This is going to be a phenomenal year for the Draft (I'll bet you've never heard that one before).

Lendale White looks like an NFL back. I could see trading down to take him and get something next year, too.
 
Wow, yes you are angry. Hold you breath, count to ten, slowly. Release.

But, you sound just like any other Longhorn fan. VY is from Houston, went to UT, so that is the reason he should be a Texan. Well, it prolly ain't gonna work like that.

Gig'em!!!!!!!
 
:brickwall A true fan would stand behind their home town team, regardless of who ever is drafted in late april. all this crap about If they don't do this or don't do that, than I am leaving you might as well adopt your new home-town team the J-E-T-S. Don't even think about crawing back when the texans make it to the payoffs and claim to be a fan.
 
TexansFight said:
Let me lay down my credentials. I grew up in Houston and grew up being a diehard Houston sports fan. I lived and breathed Oilers football and whenever they lost I was down until Wednesday. Even now that I live in New York I follow all the Houston sports teams via the internet and listen to Houston sports talk over the internet and I make it home often to attend at least 3 Texans games a year.

I have been around these message boards for a while. In fact I was on the LA Times message board starting around 1999 discussing the expansion process and one of the Houston posters even went to the Chicago for the owner's meeting. I was ecstatic when we were awarded another team and loved the logo (not really the name) and was excited about everything about our new team. I own field box PSLs with my family and have spent a lot of money on this team. I thought with McNair we would have a golden age of football in Houston and that we finally had the owner we always deserved.

Well things haven't worked out so well. We had one of the most incompetent coaching staffs in NFL history over the past 4 years. These guys should have been gone a long time ago. McNair has let Casserly and his Reign of Error destroy the expansion bounty of draft picks and free agents which should have laid a foundation for success for this team. He has not addressed the offensive line since the beginning and he has made egregious errors that all of us know about. I have hated his drafts since the beginning. I was fine with Carr at the time but the rest of his picks even in that first draft were average to terrible. That Casserly still has a job is ridiculous.

Basically, I love Houston and am a Houston homer all the way around. However, if the Texans pass on VY and pick Bush instead that will be the final nail in the coffin for me as a fan of this team. I have great amount of anger towards this team. I feel that McNair sticks with losers like Carr and Capers way too long and is not proactive enough. The albatross, Casserly, is not going to admit to his mistake with Carr. We have witnessed boring football and a try not to make the score not like bad while not trying to win attitude that drove me crazy.

If the Texans want to be the Texags and associate with the losing tradition of aggy football that is fine by me. But they won't have me as a fan and I will root against them with great vigor. I am not alone in this regard. Checkout hornfans.com and see what other Houston UT fans have to say about this. A team that will pass on VY who would recapture the excitement we all felt when we beat the Cowboys in the first game multiplied by ten and would rather keep Carr is no team of mine. This is such a no brainer yet these guys will screw it up. I am so angry and disheartened by this team. Y'all can have Kubiag and the rest of these losers while I won't have team anymore like when the Oilers left. I will root for whatever team VY is on and hope that he will kill the Texans.
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OK, I guess it is time you got off our wagon. You need help. You are going to need alot of it supporting VY.
 
Bamboo said:
the last thing anybody that says gig em' should be talking about is mack brown and the texas longhorns. they pwned you on the field, hell, even baylor is a hard team for the aggies to beat.

mack has lost 8 games in the last FIVE YEARS. he is a great coach, no matter what you say.

sadly, there are many Texans fans that are aggie fans as well. so what you have are a whole bunch of fans that are used to having a losing mentality. VY will bring a winning mentality to the Texans. the aggies are just following the aggie operating procedure and not wanting a great player because he played for UT.
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VY is a thug. Ask him to spell english. He can not even do that. By the way, Aggies is capitalized. To tell you the truth, VY sucked against the Aggies and they had a hard time beating the Aggies this year buddy.
 
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