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The Texans are doing a great job in making me hate this team
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ComstockLode
Waterboy
Grid said:
TJ might be a good player, but it was not a need on this team.
Babin has been very subpar for a 1st round pick, period. Were offensive linemen not available to acquire via trade up as well?
My comment is a reply to trust the personnel chosen that is best for this team... The mistakes in the drafts have far outweighed the good choices.
We are supposedly "building" a team from the draft and not free agency, and with our personnel decisions it led us right back where we started four years ago.
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SESupergenius
Guest
alrighty. I wasn't as high on Kubiak as some people, but that goes well in my book. Maybe he will provide that needed fire in this team.aj. said:
Did he come across as a bit nervous to you? That's what I was feeling after looking at the live internet telecast.
SESupergenius said:
Very much so in his opening comments. I thought he was going Vermeil on us right off the bat. That wouldn't have looked good. He admitted that he had to fight through some nerves. He was wound up tight as he went through his "thank you's" but after he started talking about football, he settled down.
I've never heard him speak before and after he settled down a little bit he still spoke softly and with a slight crack in his voice that seemed natural.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
aj. said:
I'll confirm aj's hearing. I liked the confidence he displayed.
TEXANFAN23435
Waterboy
OK, I've been a Houston Football fan since 1968. Seen it all. Stuck with them through thick and thin. Attended the Astrodome PEP RALLY'S. Was happy when we finally ran Bud Adams off, just had too much faith that the NFL would not ignore Houston. I was living in San Diego when Houston got the call and firmly believe McNair will do what's needed to make his Franchise a winner. I absolutely think Kubiak was the right man for the job. I think that between Kubes and Reeves, the Asst. Coaches will be solid and very pro Kubiak.
Kubiak has coached two of the top QB's in the NFL, Steve (NOT VINCE) Young and John Elway. During his tenure as their QB Coach each had their best seasons in the NFL and Young has 1-SB, Elway has 2-SB's to show for it. Both Young and Elway have spoken very highly of Kubiak. Elway once said, "having Kubiak on the sideline was like having a second set of eyes, he could just see everything." This was said while Kubiak was his backup.
I like the fact that Kubes has been winner everywhere he coached. If this man feels Carr has the required tools to become a top flight QB, then I'm putting my money on it. Has anyone on this current thread coached and evaluated QB's at the NFL level??? College level??? or High School level??? Then exactly what makes your opinion of who should lead the Texans next year, better than Kubiak's??? He's the one putting his livelihood on the line so my guess is, he's thought this through very methodically and arrived at a decision that HE not the organization could live with. Remember, he's the one who gets fired if this fails, not the organization.
Final thought, pick up Nalen, add an OT through the draft, add another big WR via FA-trade or draft, find a way to keep AJ and DD healthy for a full season and I feel you will see Carr blow away his 2004 numbers. Just my humble opinion. Oh TexanFight, I heard they're having a really good sale on some Green and White Jerseys. Just imagine, if we swap places with the NYJ you can become their biggest fan. Something tells me, you might want to reserve your seat for the draft.
Kubiak has coached two of the top QB's in the NFL, Steve (NOT VINCE) Young and John Elway. During his tenure as their QB Coach each had their best seasons in the NFL and Young has 1-SB, Elway has 2-SB's to show for it. Both Young and Elway have spoken very highly of Kubiak. Elway once said, "having Kubiak on the sideline was like having a second set of eyes, he could just see everything." This was said while Kubiak was his backup.
I like the fact that Kubes has been winner everywhere he coached. If this man feels Carr has the required tools to become a top flight QB, then I'm putting my money on it. Has anyone on this current thread coached and evaluated QB's at the NFL level??? College level??? or High School level??? Then exactly what makes your opinion of who should lead the Texans next year, better than Kubiak's??? He's the one putting his livelihood on the line so my guess is, he's thought this through very methodically and arrived at a decision that HE not the organization could live with. Remember, he's the one who gets fired if this fails, not the organization.
Final thought, pick up Nalen, add an OT through the draft, add another big WR via FA-trade or draft, find a way to keep AJ and DD healthy for a full season and I feel you will see Carr blow away his 2004 numbers. Just my humble opinion. Oh TexanFight, I heard they're having a really good sale on some Green and White Jerseys. Just imagine, if we swap places with the NYJ you can become their biggest fan. Something tells me, you might want to reserve your seat for the draft.
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SESupergenius
Guest
Thanks for the observations, that is what I was getting as well. I am willing to have an open mind this offseason and see how things go. I wanted a defensive minded coach, but If a offensive minded coach has a little fire and decent track record then that's just as well also. I look forward to seeing his coordinators however because he's going to be needing a good staff as whole to set this ship right.aj. said:
Bronco Texan
Waterboy
SESupergenius said:
We had a D minded coach in Capers and look how well that turned out. I think Koobs is the best man for the job. Denvers Offense ranked 1st in every category since Koobs joined Shanahan in Denver.
All I have to say about the VY/RB/Trade Down deal is if any other team had the first pick you think their fans would be having this arguement now? No! Because most would pick Bush because he is the highest rated player in the Draft. VY isn't even ranked in the top 5 for some teams. If the other teams need a QB they would take Matt or Jay, because Vince isn't even the top rated QB. So my next question is why does Houston have to be different?
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SESupergenius
Guest
That argument is fine, but really it just shows that Capers was not a good Head coach more than defensive coordinators make bad coaches. I could name a ton of offensive coordinators that were bad head coaches. What it really boils down to is the coordinators. Is Kubiak going to call the plays from the field along with his other 100 duties? Or is he going to give his new offensive coordinator the reigns. That's one question I'd like people to ask Kubiak when they get the chance, who's going to call the plays? I've seen the Steelers lose coordinators almost every other year, it speaks volumes for the Steeler franchise as it continues to win with all these losses.Bronco Texan said:
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
Vinny said:
What Vinny means, is bash anyone that agrees with his opinion, thus why we have one thousand threads trumpeting the greatness of Vince Young on these forums. I find his bias quite funny personally, but to the victor go the spoils. Maybe we'll have a new administrator once we pass on his draft pick? <grin>
Vinny
shiny happy fan
No, I haven't even been posting on this topic, and haven't posted much since the end of the football season (Texans season).FirstTexansFan said:
I have OPINION, not bias. What I am talking about is for you guys to stop bashing the posters for having an opinion. All I have to do is state that I don't have your opinion and you bash me. I haven't said a word to you, but you choose to bash me.
BTW, I haven't done much moderating here the last month and the most active mods are pro Bush...not Young. I have no control over others posting their opinions wanting Young or Bush. I don't delete one or the other. The insinuation is a total fabrication. I am very fair and I have a track record of such. All I want to do is send out the message to tone down bashing the members.
edo783
Hall of Fame
aj. said:
I live in the Denver area so I've had a bit of Broncos lore thrust on me. What has come out is that Kubes SEEMS mild and laid back. However, he is a very intense competetor and has been known to get up in a players grill. Doesn't yell and holler all the time (just becomes background noise after awhile anyway), but he is no push over and when he does say something folks pay attention. Really has good rapport with the players as they know he is working FOR them to make them and the team better.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
Bronco Texan said:
Because many Houston fans believe the team should cater to their wishes. They have little faith in their organization and believe all their moves are the wrong moves. It's in the air here. The way ppl like to think they know everything, I'll admit the Texans may not have made the most optimal choices. Sure Johnson could have been better than Johnson but the point is Houston has a different attitude than most other places, following fads with ease and not developing deep attachments. That is why Houston is different I can't say if this is good or bad, it just is.
Tulip
Veteran
This is a really interesting thread. I'm not sure if I should comment or not.
I have seen some poster bashing on the board lately. I'm a fan of sarcasm, but using sarcasm in every reply to every opposing opinion is just a passive-aggressive form of bullying. It's getting really tired.
I have seen some poster bashing on the board lately. I'm a fan of sarcasm, but using sarcasm in every reply to every opposing opinion is just a passive-aggressive form of bullying. It's getting really tired.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I love your aviator Herv. i'm going with the plain one, still shopping right now
Hervoyel
BUENO!
TexansFight said:
No you're not. You're a longtime poster who's been complaining about the team for as long as you've been here. This is just the latest in a long line of things that you're unhappy about where the Texans are concerned. I'm sure it won't be the last no matter which direction they go with the first pick.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Hoth-Boy said:
Now thats how you dissect a post. Good job.
What I'm trying to figure out (from all disgruntled fans) is how you can claim to be a long-time Houston fan and still claim that you will jump ship if the team doesn't take one particular player. This city has seen dozens of bad draft picks, dozens of choke jobs, and legions of bad coaches in every major sport. Why would one draft send you over the edge?
All these guys can do (Texans decision makers) is gather as much data as they can and make the best decision they can. I have a hard time understanding people that show up to the NFL draft in face paint and boo their team's selection. Picks look good and bad on draft day. It's not until they play that we know. All of this "Kubes may not be the answer", "the Texans will blow it if they pass on Young." and "Carr will never make it" are certainly possible, but let's try to be optimistic until at least the beginning of training camp.
All these guys can do (Texans decision makers) is gather as much data as they can and make the best decision they can. I have a hard time understanding people that show up to the NFL draft in face paint and boo their team's selection. Picks look good and bad on draft day. It's not until they play that we know. All of this "Kubes may not be the answer", "the Texans will blow it if they pass on Young." and "Carr will never make it" are certainly possible, but let's try to be optimistic until at least the beginning of training camp.
texan279
Hall of Fame
barzilla said:
It's all about the Vince Young fever, before the Rose Bowl this place was Reggie Bush mania, now after the Rose Bowl it has turned into the Vince Young fan club. Some here like Fiddy were pro Vince before the Rose Bowl. The thing that is funny to me is all the new posters who are flooding the boards saying they are long time Houston fans that just have to register here just to tell us they love Vince and if we do not draft him they will jump ship. To them I say adios.
Koolbrz
Waterboy
TexansFight said:
Good riddance...Your not a true Texan Fan. If you were you would'nt be talkin so much SMACK!!! Your probably a spoiled lil Longhorn, Right
? VY is a good nfl player at best. You can not compare the defense he faced in the Rose Bowl, which was ranked 39th in the country by the way, to the defense's he will be facing in the NFL. He will be to predictable. Everyone knows he will be lookin to run and at best has an avg. arm. Do you really think that if he would have had a bad game in the Rose Bowl everyone would be Blown his Horn. I don't think so!! You would be talkin about him having to stay in school to develop that avg arm of his. He will be no better than Micheal Vick. Trust me on this one. Look at the QB's from the past- R. Cunningham, K. Stewart. A. Brooks, and M. Vick now a days. How many championships have they won. He fits right into that mold. Besides he will not fit into Kubiaks way of running the offense. I guess if we do draft VY we will have to run an offense that best suits him and we will have to wait another 4 yrs. for VY to develop. Fans are not going to want to wait another 4 yrs. The honeymoon will come to an end in a hurry. Might as well give up your Texans gear and start stocking up on Titans gear, cause that is were he will more than likely end up. That is if Cutler doesn't pass him up in the player rankings before the draft. Say goodbye to the Texans and take all your Longhorn buddies with you. Us hardcore Texans fans will be here to support them.
MorKnolle
All Pro
To the original post, first of all let me say that it sounds like you are very committed to being a UT fan, which is commendable that you are sticking with your true #1 team. That said, it definitely sounds like you are much more of a UT fan than a Texans fan, and saying that you will wish the worst things upon this team just because they do not pick Vince Young is pretty lame and to me, and apparently many other people on this board, that says that you are not truly a fan of the team. I'm sure the team appreciates your support thusfar and your purchasing tickets. Casserly has surprisingly little say in who is drafted, most of that falls on the shoulders of the coaching staff, and hopefully Kubiak will do a better job of that than Capers & co. There is never a "no brainer" pick in a draft, and 95% of the country outside of the local Houston market and UT fans think that Reggie Bush is the best pick for this team, so saying Young is the clearcut, no brainer pick is far from the truth.
If all it will take to turn you away from this team is one pick that you don't approve of, then I am with many others on this thread in saying that it does not sound like you are a real fan of Texans football and that your loyalties mainly lie with UT (as the quoted statement also very clearly implies), which is fine in my books as you have chosen your preferred team and you are entitled to your opinion. All I can say is I wish you the best of luck rooting for the Titans again next year when they make Vince the #3 pick in this year's draft.
TexansFight said:
If all it will take to turn you away from this team is one pick that you don't approve of, then I am with many others on this thread in saying that it does not sound like you are a real fan of Texans football and that your loyalties mainly lie with UT (as the quoted statement also very clearly implies), which is fine in my books as you have chosen your preferred team and you are entitled to your opinion. All I can say is I wish you the best of luck rooting for the Titans again next year when they make Vince the #3 pick in this year's draft.
Koolbrz said:Good riddance...Your not a true Texan Fan. If you were you would'nt be talkin so much SMACK!!! Your probably a spoiled lil Longhorn, Right
A couple of thoughts on this one......
1. As much as I am pro-Bush I still say we cannot necessarily compare VY to the QBs you mentioned. From all that has been reported, he had more leadership ability than any of them IN COLLEGE. I tend to agree with your asessement of him, but I can understand those that say he should be great.
2. If Cutler has a great combine don't you suppose the Tennessee fans will be clamoring for him the way local fans clamor for VY?
More importantly, we simply don't know. Bush has questions about him, VY has questions around him, and Ferguson has questions about him (if we traded down). You wouldn't be a fair-minded fan if you didn't acknowledge all three points. You can choose to discount them on one or all if you wish, but I don't see why people get so bent out of shape when someone articulates a different view. There will be a day when all three retire and move on. Are we to expect fans of those players to stop watching Texans football then? Folks, football is a team sport. You watch the TEAM. I like certain individual players and I root for them, but it's not like a tie my very being to their team just because he is on it. When I pick a team to root for I use more than just a superstar to guide me.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
chuckm said:
I smell a poll coming....
Kaiser Toro said:I smell a poll coming....
Is that what that smell is? I thought something was burning...or maybe this thread was emitting an odor. There is nothing like dead rotting fans* to stink up a place, 'eh?
*because when you give up on your team, the fan inside you dies
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
chuckm said:
for me to declare that I will abandon the Texans if they don't draft Brady Quinn next year?
Brady Quinn = the real
about abandoning the Texans
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Double Barrel said:Is that what that smell is? I thought something was burning...or maybe this thread was emitting an odor. There is nothing like dead rotting fans* to stink up a place, 'eh?
*because when you give up on your team, the fan inside you dies
Yeah it was gas you were smelling. That guy brought the match and then the gas cans came out in full force. I have never seen a thread suck so many people in so quick. Pretty cool to see a gathering build like that in the virtual space.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
cuppacoffee said:for me to declare that I will abandon the Texans if they don't draft Brady Quinn next year?
Brady Quinn = the real
I do enjoy the golden domer humor on Saturday's, it takes me back to my college days in Albany, NY.
Yeah, I do have to say I've enjoyed the debate, recriminations, and hysteria on some level. In most years the number one pick wouldn't inspire much more than a yawn. I can just imagine if the Oilers had sucked in the mid-1990s we could have heard the "draft David Klinger or I'm out" chants.
BradK10
Veteran
barzilla said:Yeah, I do have to say I've enjoyed the debate, recriminations, and hysteria on some level. In most years the number one pick wouldn't inspire much more than a yawn. I can just imagine if the Oilers had sucked in the mid-1990s we could have heard the "draft David Klinger or I'm out" chants.
LOL!!!
Really, and just what does the "core group" think? This particular "debate" has been running about 45-VY/40-RB/15-Trade as far as I can tell...even amongst the "vets".Vinny said:
Do you really expect people to give a "football-related" reply to a statement like this one?
The thread-starter seems convinced that this is some sort of "Aggie Conspiracy". I've never seen so MANY people swear that they'd give up on a team if they picked the Heisman Trophy winner w/ their 1st pick. Many posters seems to think that the game out in Pasadena, CA was the Vince-vs.-Reggie bowl. Shame on Pete Carroll for trying to win the GAME, and not concentrating on promoting Reggie Bush.
Hey, I'm in agreement that the Texans haven't made all the best-and-brightest moves in football history, and I too wish Casserly was gone. That issue is far removed from this annoying "If they don't take Vince I'll whine, cry, pitch a fit and never root for the Texans again" BS that's spreading faster than the flu. :brickwall
rafterticket
Waterboy
I hope Gary Kubiak is smart enough to make a winning team through intelligent draft choices and superior coaching no matter who they pick this year.
When did Vince Young become Bill Bradsky?
When did Vince Young become Bill Bradsky?
Before anyone spends any more time on well thought out replies to this thread, remember the thread starter was the same person who was threatening to file a lawsuit against the Texans last year for failure to deliver services as promised - or something equally ridiculous. So with that context in mind, carry on.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
aj,
Are you being serious re: lawsuit? If so, that certainly explains a lot....
Are you being serious re: lawsuit? If so, that certainly explains a lot....
Big B Texan Fan
Veteran
My thoughts were that I was not gonna root for them too. Not from a VY mancrush or anything, but rather a bad team keeping bad players around in order to not look bad type of thing. A bad team making more bad decisions while I keep buying $6 beers and $6 hot dogs, and keep putting doing that honey-do list while I feel like I wastd a day to watch a bad team play just for the sake they play n my home town.
Now after I've cooled down a bit I realize that I would still root for the team and would be kinda excited if Bush were to come but....my dedication would slip, especially if were to still suck after 3 more years of Carrs' option. I mean suck by not making the playoffs. For whatever reason.
I am pissed though with all the bad decisions and see us being the next Arizona Cards if it were to keep up. If VY is to go onto greatness with another team than we better hope that Bush is the next coming of Sayers.
This has the potential to get people promoted or fired. As well as it does have the potential get more fans onboard or alot of fans lose interest.
Now after I've cooled down a bit I realize that I would still root for the team and would be kinda excited if Bush were to come but....my dedication would slip, especially if were to still suck after 3 more years of Carrs' option. I mean suck by not making the playoffs. For whatever reason.
I am pissed though with all the bad decisions and see us being the next Arizona Cards if it were to keep up. If VY is to go onto greatness with another team than we better hope that Bush is the next coming of Sayers.
This has the potential to get people promoted or fired. As well as it does have the potential get more fans onboard or alot of fans lose interest.
TexansFight
Veteran
I don't think some of you get it. I am not feeling this way about the Texas just because they look like they are not going to draft VY. Not drafting VY is the proverbial staw that breaks the camel's back for me. Hervoyel said that I have always been negative about this team. Well, considering we were 2-14 last year there isn't much to praise.
I had very high expectations for the Texans in becoming the pro football team that I always wished the Oilers were. I thought we finally had the right type of owner and could create something special here.
Well unfortunately that has not been the case. The Texans have shown that they are VERY slow to respond to obvious problems if they do so at all. I have wanted Charley Casserly gone since the second year because I have hated his drafts and because of this failure to address glaring problems like our offensive line. That he was able to keep his job to me shows that McNair doesn't realize how deep his problems are. He either is conning himself or is being conned into thinking that this team is close to being a playoff team. I think Casserly is selling him this line of bs to cover for his stinker of a job by deflecting all of the blame to Capers.
Casserly is complaining that if we take VY we will be starting over. HELLO EARTH TO CHARLIE!!! We were 2-14 last year. The number of holes on this team are alarming. As bad as our O-line is our entire defense is worse. We have absolutely no playmakers in our front 7. We need some ends and OLB worth a damn before we turn this team around.
This team stinks and is not as if our record this past year is an anamoly but that is exactly what the Texans want to sell you. I believe radical change is necessary. That is why I advocate taking VY. If we had a competent GM I would have no problem in trading down and getting a guy like D'brick or Hawk plus more picks to shore up all the holes this team has.
The Texans allowed one of the most inept coaching staffs to coach this team for 4 years. They allowed a situation to exist where the OC and coach were on completely different pages. They bypassed a playmaking LB in DJ and took a guy they didn't help us at all. I am a proud Longhorn but that does not rule what I think the Texans should do. However, I feel that the Texans have almost intentionally shunned us in favor of Aggies. Caesar has listed the Horns who could have helped us that we passed on and I agree with him that they could threw us a friggin bone. I would like to see if they pass up on the Horns OL and TE that are coming out which are positions that we need.
Basically, I have been very unhappy and angry with the direction of this team. I am passionate about them. Like you I want nothing more than seeing the Texans in the Super Bowl. If we got VY it would change the losing culture that this team has and would show other players that mediocrity won't be tolerated. This needs to happen.
I had very high expectations for the Texans in becoming the pro football team that I always wished the Oilers were. I thought we finally had the right type of owner and could create something special here.
Well unfortunately that has not been the case. The Texans have shown that they are VERY slow to respond to obvious problems if they do so at all. I have wanted Charley Casserly gone since the second year because I have hated his drafts and because of this failure to address glaring problems like our offensive line. That he was able to keep his job to me shows that McNair doesn't realize how deep his problems are. He either is conning himself or is being conned into thinking that this team is close to being a playoff team. I think Casserly is selling him this line of bs to cover for his stinker of a job by deflecting all of the blame to Capers.
Casserly is complaining that if we take VY we will be starting over. HELLO EARTH TO CHARLIE!!! We were 2-14 last year. The number of holes on this team are alarming. As bad as our O-line is our entire defense is worse. We have absolutely no playmakers in our front 7. We need some ends and OLB worth a damn before we turn this team around.
This team stinks and is not as if our record this past year is an anamoly but that is exactly what the Texans want to sell you. I believe radical change is necessary. That is why I advocate taking VY. If we had a competent GM I would have no problem in trading down and getting a guy like D'brick or Hawk plus more picks to shore up all the holes this team has.
The Texans allowed one of the most inept coaching staffs to coach this team for 4 years. They allowed a situation to exist where the OC and coach were on completely different pages. They bypassed a playmaking LB in DJ and took a guy they didn't help us at all. I am a proud Longhorn but that does not rule what I think the Texans should do. However, I feel that the Texans have almost intentionally shunned us in favor of Aggies. Caesar has listed the Horns who could have helped us that we passed on and I agree with him that they could threw us a friggin bone. I would like to see if they pass up on the Horns OL and TE that are coming out which are positions that we need.
Basically, I have been very unhappy and angry with the direction of this team. I am passionate about them. Like you I want nothing more than seeing the Texans in the Super Bowl. If we got VY it would change the losing culture that this team has and would show other players that mediocrity won't be tolerated. This needs to happen.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
I read the first couple of paragraphs before giving up. You "expected" the Texans to become what the Oilers never were? The Oilers had what, 30+ years to fulfill this expectation but for some reason you expected the Texans to do it in under 4?
All I got to say to you sir is stay in new york. If you are such an ignorant self biased deviant then maybe the fact that you believe the aggies have a losing tradition is forgivable. I didn't attend either A&M nor UT. I will take my hat off to both schools. If you are such a die hard VY fan and want us to draft him without having the protection for him all you are interested in seeing him get slammed in the ground and a talented young man get a ruined career. Some fan you are.TexansFight said: