The Texans are doing a great job in making me hate this team

[Kaiser Toro]

So it's OK to express your opinions while trying to demean a school in the process? Texags and Kubiag are great way to express a "football related" opinion. This post should have been locked as soon as it hit for flaming.

I think we are big boys and girls and can handle the Ag and Tsip monikers as long as they aren't amplified with any other colorful words.

 

[Maddict5]

"Another ode to Vince Young played on a rusty trombone."

have you ever seen vince young play? the only thing that looks rusty are the defenders

Rose bowl
reggie bush 177 total yds
Vince Young 467 total yds

on the same field, it was obvious who carried leadership and his team, why would anyone NOT want that for the Texans??

Great point. but i think you'll find a qb usually has more yards than a rb that shares carries. and never mind the fact vince wasn't able to run a pro-style offence at texas or that his arm is questionable. i haven't been on these boards long but im already sick of people like you

 

[Vinny]

I think I may be tossing a lot of newbies soon.

 

[TheOgre]

"Another ode to Vince Young played on a rusty trombone."

have you ever seen vince young play? the only thing that looks rusty are the defenders

Rose bowl
reggie bush 177 total yds
Vince Young 467 total yds

on the same field, it was obvious who carried leadership and his team, why would anyone NOT want that for the Texans??

One guy was going against a top 10 defense and the other was facing the 39th defense. Care to guess which is which?

 

[Bubbajwp]

I think I may be tossing a lot of newbies soon.

Anything but that.

 

[Double Barrel]

I think I may be tossing a lot of newbies soon.

yay, the 2nd Annual Newbie Toss!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled fan fight...

Remember, folks, it's still just a game.

 

[Bubbajwp]

One guy was going against a top 10 defense and the other was facing the 39th defense. Care to guess which is which?

The only person who stopped bush in that game was pete carrol. IMO

 

[Vinny]

I don't agree with much of what TF posts (other than not liking the direction and leadership of this team - we agree on that one), but if the team is making him hate it....well, he can post that. Tough luck to everyone who is drinking the Kool-Aid.

Just attack the 'opinion' and not the 'opinion giver' please....that's all I'm trying to say.

Carry on.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

The only person who stopped bush in that game was pete carrol. IMO

Some would argue the better back in the game stopped Bush.

 

[Texans_Chick]

This is a poorly made post!!

Reggie Bush, 177 rushing/receving comined and 1 TD against the #2 defense in the country. Bush ran the ball 13 times for 82 yards for a 6.3 AVG....do you know how crazy those stats are?? That's great!! He had 95 yards through the air, receiving 6 for 95 yards and a 15.8 avg. receiving. And all this against the #2 defense.

Meanwhile....VY went against a 43 ranked USC defense and threw for ZERO TDs.

In your post...it seems as if you're implying that Bush is trash when compared the Young. However....they play different positions and in reality....Bush made a huge impact according to his stats. Keep in mind that he was also limited in his touches on the ball. Why? That's up to the USC coaching staff....not at all Bush's fault. Imagine if he would have touched the ball more......I guarantee you that Texas doesn't want to imagine cause at the pace he was on....he could have embarrassed their highly praised #2 defense.

Bush and Young are both great college players. There is a case that could be made that both have had some of the best college seasons of all times.

As to the USC having a sorry defense argument, I will point out that they were tops in college at turnover margin and turnovers gained. (Well and at least ESPN thought them worthy to be considered as ONE OF THE BEST COLLEGE TEAMS OF ALL TIME. lol.) Part of this was the sort of conference they played in--it is very pass oriented. Though their defense had a couple of games that were high scoring, they also contained some very explosive offensives over the course of the season.

The flipside of your argument is that when faced with taking a top QB and a top RB, you might want the top QB because they touch the ball EVERY offensive snap.

Just trying to balance out the analysis some.

 

[jerek]

This isn't complex. Bash or bully the members here and you get tossed. Give all the opinion you want otherwise.

I would be interested to better understand the thought process that endorses the explicit bashing of an entire team, city, owner, university, individual players, and class of fans outside of the poster's own thinking, and yet condemns the thread that utilizes one fraction of that venom in alluding to that poster packing it in and leaving the board, after that poster specifically issued an ultimatum saying he would willingly do so.

I didn't think I was "bashing" anyone here. If any poster doesn't want to support the team, then that is fine. Last I checked, it was their constitutional right to do so, and that didn't violate your board TOS. I was debating the opinion, I did not call him names, and I simply and calmly called him on his bluff, and if he wants to leave the team or the board, then by all means, he knows how to click Close in the web browser.

Okay? Yeesh, does any one else think my words were strong?

 

[ComstockLode]

your history with the Houston franchise is no more extensive or strenuous than thousands of other Houston fans. I imagine there are a good deal more people on this board who have an even greater history of Houston "fandom" than you.. and they make no threats of "quitting on the team" because a player they like may not be drafted.

This is a team sport, and if you arent capable of being a fan of the TEAM..then I recommend following a sport that is less cumbersome to your hero worship... like Tennis, Golf, Boxing, or Nascar.

In football.. a teams success depends on alot more than one player.. no matter what position he plays. Our staff will make the choice that is best for this team.. and if you cant accept that, then leave. You wont be missed.

Just like the picks of babin, Travis Johnson, and buchanon were right for this team

 

[utahmark]

Let me lay down my credentials. I grew up in Houston and grew up being a diehard Houston sports fan. I lived and breathed Oilers football and whenever they lost I was down until Wednesday. Even now that I live in New York I follow all the Houston sports teams via the internet and listen to Houston sports talk over the internet and I make it home often to attend at least 3 Texans games a year.

I have been around these message boards for a while. In fact I was on the LA Times message board starting around 1999 discussing the expansion process and one of the Houston posters even went to the Chicago for the owner's meeting. I was ecstatic when we were awarded another team and loved the logo (not really the name) and was excited about everything about our new team. I own field box PSLs with my family and have spent a lot of money on this team. I thought with McNair we would have a golden age of football in Houston and that we finally had the owner we always deserved.

Well things haven't worked out so well. We had one of the most incompetent coaching staffs in NFL history over the past 4 years. These guys should have been gone a long time ago. McNair has let Casserly and his Reign of Error destroy the expansion bounty of draft picks and free agents which should have laid a foundation for success for this team. He has not addressed the offensive line since the beginning and he has made egregious errors that all of us know about. I have hated his drafts since the beginning. I was fine with Carr at the time but the rest of his picks even in that first draft were average to terrible. That Casserly still has a job is ridiculous.

Basically, I love Houston and am a Houston homer all the way around. However, if the Texans pass on VY and pick Bush instead that will be the final nail in the coffin for me as a fan of this team. I have great amount of anger towards this team. I feel that McNair sticks with losers like Carr and Capers way too long and is not proactive enough. The albatross, Casserly, is not going to admit to his mistake with Carr. We have witnessed boring football and a try not to make the score not like bad while not trying to win attitude that drove me crazy.

If the Texans want to be the Texags and associate with the losing tradition of aggy football that is fine by me. But they won't have me as a fan and I will root against them with great vigor. I am not alone in this regard. Checkout hornfans.com and see what other Houston UT fans have to say about this. A team that will pass on VY who would recapture the excitement we all felt when we beat the Cowboys in the first game multiplied by ten and would rather keep Carr is no team of mine. This is such a no brainer yet these guys will screw it up. I am so angry and disheartened by this team. Y'all can have Kubiag and the rest of these losers while I won't have team anymore like when the Oilers left. I will root for whatever team VY is on and hope that he will kill the Texans.

just once could you come in here and have something postive to say.

p.s. how's the lawsuit coming along?

 

[Vinny]

I would be interested to better understand the thought process that endorses the explicit bashing of an entire team, city, owner, university, individual players, and class of fans outside of the poster's own thinking, and yet condemns the thread that utilizes one fraction of that venom in alluding to that poster packing it in and leaving the board, after that poster specifically issued an ultimatum saying he would willingly do so.

Feel free to spend hours on this. Just attack the opinion and not the poster.

I didn't think I was "bashing" anyone here. If any poster doesn't want to support the team, then that is fine. Last I checked, it was their constitutional right to do so, and that didn't violate your board TOS. I was debating the opinion, I did not call him names, and I simply and calmly called him on his bluff, and if he wants to leave the team or the board, then by all means, he knows how to click Close in the web browser.

You already stated you dont like "insubstantive tantrums", and told TexansFight he can tell me to go **** myself, so I'm cutting this off at the bud. If you don't grasp this, I can't help you. You have a history so you get less slack.

 

[Grid]

go find me a team that doesnt make picks that they regret later Comstocklode, and ill agree with you.

And Babin and TJ are still up in the air. Babin showed promise, TJ hasnt looked BAD.. and could look alot better under a better coach. Does anyone deny that Fangio was a horrible DC?

I dont like how much we gave up for Babin and Buchanan.. but im not going to call our staff incompetent for it. Casserly has actually had a pretty good draft history for us. His problems have been in free agency.

 

[swisher]

In fact I was on the LA Times message board starting around 1999 discussing the expansion process and one of the Houston posters even went to the Chicago for the owner's meeting.

Hey, I was right there with you. I was on those L.A. Times board battling out with some guy named Ted who thought we were insane to even bother about kicking name ideas around because there was NO way the NFL would choose Houston over LA.

I know who you are talking about, the guy who ran the first Texans MB in the summer of 1999. Ryan or Rich or something like that, going to Chicago for the owners meetings...wow, that brings back some memories.

Which makes me disapointed that you would allow all of that to be thrown away because of some kid coming out of college, even if he's on of the best college players on earth. And to say the Reggie Bush would be the last nail in the coffin...it just doesn't make any sense.

You talk about the Oiler memories...in four seasons how could you ever expect the Texans to compete with that. This is exactly how memories are made. Going 2-14, coaches fired and hired, high draft picks and future stars. There will be more heartbreaking losses in the future and great wins, no matter who we draft. Young or Bush, both should be great players. But you're thinking about this with your heart not your head.

 

[exclude]

i live in houston and i agree with you, my problem is i will start rooting for the team that chooses Young. Casserly says don't worry about the player you don't get, worry about the ones you have.

Now our defense is changing and me upset that they didn't select Derrick Johnson last year gives me an uneasy feeling the same thing when Vince finds success in another city.

Casserly and the boys don't need to worry about the players the don't get, if they would start selecting the right ones.

I sure as heck don't want Reggie Bush as a Texan.

We're on the same boat....just different ends

I sure as heck don't want VY as a Texan.

 

[texan279]

Let me lay down my credentials. I grew up in Houston and grew up being a diehard Houston sports fan. I lived and breathed Oilers football and whenever they lost I was down until Wednesday. Even now that I live in New York I follow all the Houston sports teams via the internet and listen to Houston sports talk over the internet and I make it home often to attend at least 3 Texans games a year.

I have been around these message boards for a while. In fact I was on the LA Times message board starting around 1999 discussing the expansion process and one of the Houston posters even went to the Chicago for the owner's meeting. I was ecstatic when we were awarded another team and loved the logo (not really the name) and was excited about everything about our new team. I own field box PSLs with my family and have spent a lot of money on this team. I thought with McNair we would have a golden age of football in Houston and that we finally had the owner we always deserved.

Well things haven't worked out so well. We had one of the most incompetent coaching staffs in NFL history over the past 4 years. These guys should have been gone a long time ago. McNair has let Casserly and his Reign of Error destroy the expansion bounty of draft picks and free agents which should have laid a foundation for success for this team. He has not addressed the offensive line since the beginning and he has made egregious errors that all of us know about. I have hated his drafts since the beginning. I was fine with Carr at the time but the rest of his picks even in that first draft were average to terrible. That Casserly still has a job is ridiculous.

Basically, I love Houston and am a Houston homer all the way around. However, if the Texans pass on VY and pick Bush instead that will be the final nail in the coffin for me as a fan of this team. I have great amount of anger towards this team. I feel that McNair sticks with losers like Carr and Capers way too long and is not proactive enough. The albatross, Casserly, is not going to admit to his mistake with Carr. We have witnessed boring football and a try not to make the score not like bad while not trying to win attitude that drove me crazy.

If the Texans want to be the Texags and associate with the losing tradition of aggy football that is fine by me. But they won't have me as a fan and I will root against them with great vigor. I am not alone in this regard. Checkout hornfans.com and see what other Houston UT fans have to say about this. A team that will pass on VY who would recapture the excitement we all felt when we beat the Cowboys in the first game multiplied by ten and would rather keep Carr is no team of mine. This is such a no brainer yet these guys will screw it up. I am so angry and disheartened by this team. Y'all can have Kubiag and the rest of these losers while I won't have team anymore like when the Oilers left. I will root for whatever team VY is on and hope that he will kill the Texans.

Why is it a lot of the people who threaten to stop being a Texan fan because of us not drafting Young always talk about the excitement Young would bring, that he is a hometown hero, we'd be stupid not to take him, he would put fans back in the stands, etc? I haven't personally read many posters who say anything about him helping us win or that he would be the best choice for the team. And if some here think we should draft Vince because we need an upgrade at the QB position and dump Carr, why have I not seen one thread from anyone wanting us to draft Leinhart or Cutler? After listening to ESPN and the NFL Network with the Senior Bowl practices going on, some scouts now have Young ranked as the third best QB in this draft behind Cutler and Leinhart. I even heard a few say that for the time being they have Cutler as the #1 QB on their board and he could end up being a top 5 pick. So if Carr is "such a loser" why shouldn't we draft Cutler or Leinhart instead of Young?

 

[thegr8fan]

man this thread is HILARIOUS. In 2 hours this thing has grown to 4 pages. Maybe we should rename this thead the Texans Wildfire thread or something.

Hey Texansfight, I find the Carr decision to be quite discouraging myself. But hang in there. Not even McNair can't be blinded by 'potential' for more than 5 years, IMHO.

 

[Maddict5]

I think I may be tossing a lot of newbies soon.

i presume it was nothing i said

 

[Long Baller]

Honestly, man, even the Oilers had their share of controversy. Where did two of Houston's greatest sports icons - Bum Phillips and Earl Campbell - finish their careers? (hint: not in Houston!) Read "Oiler Blues" when you get the chance, and you'll find out that Bud Adams has been one of the most hardassed owners in football (like having 6 head coaches in the first five years!!), and dude still doesn't have an NFL championship.

Players come, player go. Same for coaches. But we root for the team, not the individual.

I'm not flaming you or anything, but when you say that you're "not some blind VY homer who wants him here at all costs", everything else in your two posts indicate otherwise. You're willing to blow off an infant team (yes, 4 years is still a baby team) because they don't pick a player you like.

While I understand a desire to take certain players based upon unproven potential, you have to temper your passion with a reality check. Because being a long time fan of a team is about loyalty in spite of bad decisions, bad games, bad seasons, or bad coaches.

I hate to see the Texans lose a fan, but remember that the door will be open if/when you decide to come back into the fold.

Well said

 

[Sportsfan]

I lost interest when i got to the 4th paragraph. A VY thread in disguise. Man i hate those. :brickwall

 

[tsip]

...why patrionize this guy?..probally all he wants!.. and is just sitting back and laughing as he counts the posts!

 

[Caesar]

I have to agree with the original poster. I'm a life long Houstonian, and I've been a fan of all our local teams since I was a kid. But I've also been a Longhorn all my life, and as much as I love Houston pro teams, UT comes first. After catering to Aggies throughout their short existence (Glenn, McKinney, Kubiak), they continue to snub the Longhorn segment of their fanbase. This isn't just a Young-Bush issue. It seems that almost every year the Texans are in position to draft UT players, at need positions, on day 1, and yet they pass on them, often for inferior talent. This is a prevalent sentiment among UT fans/alumni who follow the Texans, and I don't think we are out of line to feel this way.

It doesn't make us "bad fans" to question why we should we represent a franchise that doesn't represent us. Maybe it is THE TEXANS who are disloyal to US.

 

[Exascor]

I have to agree with the original poster. I'm a life long Houstonian, and I've been a fan of all our local teams since I was a kid. But I've also been a Longhorn all my life, and as much as I love Houston pro teams, UT comes first. After catering to Aggies throughout their short existence (Glenn, McKinney, Kubiak), they continue to snub the Longhorn segment of their fanbase. This isn't just a Young-Bush issue. It seems that almost every year the Texans are in position to draft UT players, at need positions, on day 1, and yet they pass on them, often for inferior talent. This is a prevalent sentiment among UT fans/alumni who follow the Texans, and I don't think we are out of line to feel this way.

It doesn't make us "bad fans" to question why we should we represent a franchise that doesn't represent us. Maybe it is THE TEXANS who are disloyal to US.

Wow...

 

[Overalls]

When I decided to fork over the money for a personalize jersey, I chose "00" as the number because I don't follow the Texans because of the players on MY team. I follow the Texans because they are MY team. I just want them to win.

 

[michael123]

goodbye, see you in the playoffs in 2006, then your a** will happily jump bandwaggons, hate people like you, stick with the team from ups to downs. LOVE THE FACT WE ARE GOING TO PISS PEOPLE OFF BY DRAFTING THE BEST BACK,

KILLER TEAM IN 06

QB-CARR
HB-BUSH
FB-MORRIS/WELLS
WR-JOHNSON
WR-GAFFNEY
WR-FA-
TE-DRAFT
OL-PITTS
OL-MCKINNEY
OL-FA
C-THE HOG
OL-WAND-GIVE THE GUY A SECOND CHANCE IN KUBIAC OFF.

THIS TEAM IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT SAN DIEGO CHARGERS OF 04/05 SEASON

 

[michael123]

carr had 15 passes batted down last year, 4th worst in the NFL.

"never mind the fact vince wasn't able to run a pro-style offence at texas or that his arm is questionable. i haven't been on these boards long but im already sick of people like you"

much of the offense Vince ran, was similar to the NFL Colts.

this arm the "experts" question, led the nation in passing efficiency as well as holding the career passing percentage record in school history.

reggie bush had all of his great yards in the pac-10, not a very defensive conference, but one thing i noticed when faced with what could be close to NFL speed, he had a hard time turning the corner.

he is not an every down running back and the Texans have a solid running backs already, even with that o-line. vince will put the defenses on their heels and would not have near the sacks as carr.

some of you vince haters need to see the leadership he brings, one that the Texans lack.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN VY GO IN A CENTER FORMATION YOUR NOT JUST GOIN TO WIN BY SHOTGUN NFL WILL DESTROY HIM.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

NEW YORK CITY, get a rope. sorry had to break out the old picante sauce commercial. lol

But anywho, IMO remember the FO is going to do what they feel is best for the team and we won't always agree. And certainly not because fans are screaming for them to do something different.

But there is no way I would ever give up on this team, I am in for Better of for Worse. That is how i describe being a fan, not threatening to leave if you are demands are not met.

 

[Porky]

I'm pretty dissapointed in the McNair led effort myself TexansFight. It's ok to express an opinion around here, but people will bash you for not thinking like the core group. I wish the posters would give football related or field related opinion more than just bash the posters who do not think in unison.

Just my opinion here Vinny, but I think it's style over substance. Heck, I and a bunch of others have said we like Young, don't think Carr is a SB QB, etc., but with him it's almost a threat, as if you better do it my way, or I am taking my rattle and sucking my thumb and going home. It's like a form of fan blackmail almost, and it isn't becoming. I think some of his points are not that far off point, but all these threats just don't come off well. Most of us are Texans fans. We may have favorite players, both on and off the Texans, but I won't stop being a fan because of who they draft. If he wants to give up his tickets because they don't draft his boy, then give them up, and let's be done with it. No one is forcing him to be a fan. Heck, I was strongly in favor of drafting D Johnson out of Texas last year, but it was Travis, and that is that. Life goes on, the sun still comes up, and we have to realize their are multiple ways to skin a cat. Let's debate the merits of the moves make, and leave the threats and blackmails to Desperate Housewives.

 

[swtbound07]

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN VY GO IN A CENTER FORMATION YOUR NOT JUST GOIN TO WIN BY SHOTGUN NFL WILL DESTROY HIM.

buddy....your capslock is stuck.

 

[Errant Hothy]

carr had 15 passes batted down last year, 4th worst in the NFL.

"never mind the fact vince wasn't able to run a pro-style offence at texas or that his arm is questionable. i haven't been on these boards long but im already sick of people like you"

much of the offense Vince ran, was similar to the NFL Colts.

Sorry but thats a load of BS. UT ran the spread, just like Florida, Utah, Texas Tech, Michigan State, etc. Indy runs maybe one of teh most complex offenses on the planet. The only difference between UT's spread and some of teh other spread offenses was the fact that VY also ran the "zone option read" a play that has 0% chance to work in teh NFL.

this arm the "experts" question, led the nation in passing efficiency as well as holding the career passing percentage record in school history.

Untill VY shows he can throw a 15 yard out pass, on the money, his arm will be suspect. The 15 yard out is the gold standard for passing ability, atleast to scouts. VY throw several flutterers this year, one in teh Rose Bowl that he was lucky wasn't intercpeted.

reggie bush had all of his great yards in the pac-10, not a very defensive conference, but one thing i noticed when faced with what could be close to NFL speed, he had a hard time turning the corner.

And the Big XII was loaded with good teams?

he is not an every down running back and the Texans have a solid running backs already, even with that o-line. vince will put the defenses on their heels and would not have near the sacks as carr.

Untill DD plays a full season, I will be looking to upgrade. And will VY may be sacked less then Carr; I don't think he will be much more effective then Carr. NO QB can be effective behind our O-line

all of you vince haters need to see the leadership he brings, one that the Texans lack.

Well see. College leadership doesn't alwsay translate to NFL leadership.

 

[FILO_girl]

When I decided to fork over the money for a personalize jersey, I chose "00" as the number because I don't follow the Texans because of the players on MY team. I follow the Texans because they are MY team. I just want them to win.

My custom is #1 and Doc has 00 too.

I log off, do some housework and take the kid to Driver's Ed. Come back to check my email and touch base here and Armageddon occurs. I am always late to the good parties.

Texansfight, all I can add at this time is...Got Kevlar?

 

[chuckm]

have a nice life ....

Let me lay down my credentials. I grew up in Houston and grew up being a diehard Houston sports fan. I lived and breathed Oilers football and whenever they lost I was down until Wednesday. Even now that I live in New York I follow all the Houston sports teams via the internet and listen to Houston sports talk over the internet and I make it home often to attend at least 3 Texans games a year.

I have been around these message boards for a while. In fact I was on the LA Times message board starting around 1999 discussing the expansion process and one of the Houston posters even went to the Chicago for the owner's meeting. I was ecstatic when we were awarded another team and loved the logo (not really the name) and was excited about everything about our new team. I own field box PSLs with my family and have spent a lot of money on this team. I thought with McNair we would have a golden age of football in Houston and that we finally had the owner we always deserved.

Well things haven't worked out so well. We had one of the most incompetent coaching staffs in NFL history over the past 4 years. These guys should have been gone a long time ago. McNair has let Casserly and his Reign of Error destroy the expansion bounty of draft picks and free agents which should have laid a foundation for success for this team. He has not addressed the offensive line since the beginning and he has made egregious errors that all of us know about. I have hated his drafts since the beginning. I was fine with Carr at the time but the rest of his picks even in that first draft were average to terrible. That Casserly still has a job is ridiculous.

Basically, I love Houston and am a Houston homer all the way around. However, if the Texans pass on VY and pick Bush instead that will be the final nail in the coffin for me as a fan of this team. I have great amount of anger towards this team. I feel that McNair sticks with losers like Carr and Capers way too long and is not proactive enough. The albatross, Casserly, is not going to admit to his mistake with Carr. We have witnessed boring football and a try not to make the score not like bad while not trying to win attitude that drove me crazy.

If the Texans want to be the Texags and associate with the losing tradition of aggy football that is fine by me. But they won't have me as a fan and I will root against them with great vigor. I am not alone in this regard. Checkout hornfans.com and see what other Houston UT fans have to say about this. A team that will pass on VY who would recapture the excitement we all felt when we beat the Cowboys in the first game multiplied by ten and would rather keep Carr is no team of mine. This is such a no brainer yet these guys will screw it up. I am so angry and disheartened by this team. Y'all can have Kubiag and the rest of these losers while I won't have team anymore like when the Oilers left. I will root for whatever team VY is on and hope that he will kill the Texans.

 

[Frills]

<insert AOL goodbye sound effect>

 

[Errant Hothy]

I have to agree with the original poster. I'm a life long Houstonian, and I've been a fan of all our local teams since I was a kid. But I've also been a Longhorn all my life, and as much as I love Houston pro teams, UT comes first. After catering to Aggies throughout their short existence (Glenn, McKinney, Kubiak), they continue to snub the Longhorn segment of their fanbase. This isn't just a Young-Bush issue. It seems that almost every year the Texans are in position to draft UT players, at need positions, on day 1, and yet they pass on them, often for inferior talent. This is a prevalent sentiment among UT fans/alumni who follow the Texans, and I don't think we are out of line to feel this way.

It doesn't make us "bad fans" to question why we should we represent a franchise that doesn't represent us. Maybe it is THE TEXANS who are disloyal to US.

Wow, I don't know how to respond to this except that if you, and teh rest of teh UT homers you hang out with feel this way, you might want to stick to pulling for UT and UT only. Becasue in teh NFL no franchise is going to show loyalty to a college, any college, no matter how big, rich or precived importance that fanbase is.

Sorry, you might just want to leave now; becasue there'll never be a day when teh NFL team in Houston makes draft picks based on what the fans of UT think, and nor should they.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Sorry but thats a load of BS. UT ran the spread, just like Florida, Utah, Texas Tech, Michigan State, etc. Indy runs maybe one of teh most complex offenses on the planet. The only difference between UT's spread and some of teh other spread offenses was the fact that VY also ran the "zone option read" a play that has 0% chance to work in teh NFL.



Untill VY shows he can throw a 15 yard out pass, on the money, his arm will be suspect. The 15 yard out is the gold standard for passing ability, atleast to scouts. VY throw several flutterers this year, one in teh Rose Bowl that he was lucky wasn't intercpeted.

Hey Hoth, you need to pick up the speed with your index finger, the old middle finger is beating it to the punch.

Its ok though I'm a little trigger happy with my middle finger too.

 

[Caesar]

Becasue in teh NFL no franchise is going to show loyalty to a college, any college, no matter how big, rich or precived importance that fanbase is.

No, but apparently they will show bias against some.

 

[Carr Bombed]

No, but apparently they will show bias against some.

Nobody is showing bias against a team. I swear if they pass on a couple of Horns the conspiracy starts. What about all the other 30 teams that passed on the players. Man it must be a league wide thing.

 

[Buffi2]

This is the silliest thread I think I've ever read - and I can't believe I read it. My bad. This is like falling into some kind of outer twilight zone from hell. And now I'm responding to it? I may have Mad Cow.

Let me see if I have this down - you are arguing about no longer being a Texan fan because they won't draft "your" special guy? For 5 pages? Perhaps someone lost the team concept somewhere?

With all due respect, football is not a showcase for one player - you have that confused with golf or tennis or ice skating. One player may have a great game - but he sure as the devil didn't have that great game all by himself - in case no one noticed - there were 21 other guys on the field. 11 trying to stop this great game and 10 trying to help him.

If, and most probably when, the Texans choose to let VY go to another team - it is not a slap in the face of every UT grad or even to VY himself - it is just a choice that makes the Texans a better team right now. And if it proves to be a poor choice? So be it - it won't be the first time any team made an error in judgement and it won't be the last. This isn't world peace - it is football....a game.

I have faith that eventually some semblance of sanity will return to this board and we will all have supporting the Texans through good and bad in common. I am a Texan fan until I die.

 

[profan]

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN VY GO IN A CENTER FORMATION YOUR NOT JUST GOIN TO WIN BY SHOTGUN NFL WILL DESTROY HIM.

The simple answer to your question is YES!

 

[Hookem Horns]

I have to agree with the original poster. I'm a life long Houstonian, and I've been a fan of all our local teams since I was a kid. But I've also been a Longhorn all my life, and as much as I love Houston pro teams, UT comes first. After catering to Aggies throughout their short existence (Glenn, McKinney, Kubiak), they continue to snub the Longhorn segment of their fanbase. This isn't just a Young-Bush issue. It seems that almost every year the Texans are in position to draft UT players, at need positions, on day 1, and yet they pass on them, often for inferior talent. This is a prevalent sentiment among UT fans/alumni who follow the Texans, and I don't think we are out of line to feel this way.

It doesn't make us "bad fans" to question why we should we represent a franchise that doesn't represent us. Maybe it is THE TEXANS who are disloyal to US.

Do you honestly think they avoid drafting guys just because they went to UT? Didn't they draft Sloan Thomas last season? Aren't both of McNair's kids UT alums? I think the problem is we have a clueless GM and he is the root of our problems, not some anti UT bias. Besides taking Travis Johnson over Derrick Johnson and Dave Ragone over Chris Simms, when else did the Texans overlook a UT guy that would have been a better choice?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Do you honestly think they avoid drafting guys just because they went to UT? Didn't they draft Sloan Thomas last season? Aren't both of McNair's kids UT alums? I think the problem is we have a clueless GM and he is the root of our problems, not some anti UT bias. Besides taking Travis Johnson over Derrick Johnson and Dave Ragone over Chris Simms, when else did the Texans overlook a UT guy that would have been a better choice?

We could have drafted Major.

 

[SESupergenius]

What blows me up most about the posts lately is this mancrush on Vince Young like he's going to come in, learn Denvers playbook be a better running Elway and play CB, LB, DT and safety for this team. Our #1 priority is to fix the offensive line and defense, either through a new scheme and/or new players. If anyone else thinks that VY is going to do that then welcome to another mediocre year for the Texans and watch the Burnt Oranges turn their attention to college football in late December again.

 

[Porky]

Do you honestly think they avoid drafting guys just because they went to UT? Didn't they draft Sloan Thomas last season? Aren't both of McNair's kids UT alums? I think the problem is we have a clueless GM and he is the root of our problems, not some anti UT bias. Besides taking Travis Johnson over Derrick Johnson and Dave Ragone over Chris Simms, when else did the Texans overlook a UT guy that would have been a better choice?

Sure they drafted Sloan Thomas, but Casserly realized last year that he misread the pre-draft reports. He thought he was from UT, University of Tennesee. Realizing that this was a huge mistake, he had Capers release Thomas last off season to purge the Texans of any semblence of Longhorns. They want to make a super race of Houston Texans, and they must make sure to cleanse themselves of Horns. Hiel Casserly. Sloan, is that you. I think he is locked up in Casserly's dungeon, but we are starting to get some communication from him.

 

[Caesar]

Besides taking Travis Johnson over Derrick Johnson and Dave Ragone over Chris Simms, when else did the Texans overlook a UT guy that would have been a better choice?

Seth Wand over Derrick Dockery and now Reggie Bush over Vince Young. Ofcourse, they've always been able to find room for a punter or a freaking deep snapper from A&M.

We'll see if I'm right in April. Besides VY, we have Jonathan Scott, Rod Wright, Cedric Griffin, and David Thomas available at positions where the Texans need to draft someone. I'd put the odds at about 1% that the Texans even take a second look at any of them. I'd be extatic with ONE, but I doubt the Texans braintrust would be able to manage that.

 

[aj.]

Originally Posted by Vinny
I'm pretty dissapointed in the McNair led effort myself TexansFight. It's ok to express an opinion around here, but people will bash you for not thinking like the core group. I wish the posters would give football related or field related opinion more than just bash the posters who do not think in unison.

There's a core group? When did that start and who are they? I really don't feel like reading hundreds of posts to try and figure it out.

I usually avoid high traffic/ high emotion periods on here because the quality goes down so much but I thought we had multiple groups on here, i.e., the pro Vince group, the pro Bush group and it's somewhat overlapping pro Carr group, and the trade down group. That's what I get for not paying attention I guess. Just by reading the thread title, I could imagine a new anti McNair faction emerging. Sounds like some serious drama. I'm going to have a beer and forget about it.

 

[SheTexan]

Thanks for the entertainment guys/gals!! Unbelievable thread!!

GOOOOO TEXANS!!!!

 

[SESupergenius]

There's a core group? When did that start and who are they? I really don't feel like reading hundreds of posts to try and figure it out.

I usually avoid high traffic/ high emotion periods on here because the quality goes down so much but I thought we had multiple groups on here, i.e., the pro Vince group, the pro Bush group and it's somewhat overlapping pro Carr group, and the trade down group. That's what I get for not paying attention I guess.

AJ did Kubiak actually say "I won't let you down" ? That's pretty ballsy if he did.

 

[LongBignasty1]

Vince Young #1 period.

'nuff said