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The Suck for Luck race

pirbroke said:
watching Luck for second time right now, I'm sorry but I just don't see a can't miss QB. Not saying he won't be great but I am not nervous about the colts drafting him. I doubt he will end up better than Peyton.
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That is a definite plus. Anything less than Luck being questionably the best QB of all time means that we have upgraded out position against the Horseshoes.
 
pirbroke said:
watching Luck for second time right now, I'm sorry but I just don't see a can't miss QB. Not saying he won't be great but I am not nervous about the colts drafting him. I doubt he will end up better than Peyton.
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He is undoubtedly the best qb prospect since peyton. His accuracy, arm strength, mobility, intelligence and ability to throw on the run is unmatched at the collegiate level. He will be good for sure. Super bowl winner? Maybe.
 
I'll admit bias towards him now that my thinking has him going to Indianapolis. His WR's botched a bunch of spot on targets in tight windows. He still maintained excellent composure, exhibiting leadership qualities teams covet. It's just that tonight he met a team focused & hungrier than the Stanford Cardinals.

GO DUCKS
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Doppelganger said:
Sorry Gary, but I just don't see Keenum as anything more than a system QB. He is very much in line with Timmy Chang, Graham Harrell, and Colt Brennan...QBs that put up HUGE numbers in college but were strictly system QBs. UH does not play a top defense that requires him to make reads nor does he play a quality defense.
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Is there any difference between the offense Case Keenum is running & the offense Kevin Kolb ran @Houston?

Do you think Kevin Kolb has demonstrated the ability to be productive & be successful at the NFL level?

Doppelganger said:
I don't think Case is worth a draft choice at all. We already have a pretty solid NFL project QB on the team. TJ Yates was just drafted last year. IMO Yates has a higher ceiling than Keenum.
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I agree with Yates.....
 
I've watched two Stanford games on TV this year, and last night for the second time this season I'm wondering if Luck was the best QB on the field ? Just like in the first game vs USC, in the game last night I thought the QB on Stanfords opponents team had atleast as much accuracy and actually a stronger arm. Duck QB Darren Thomas, the "other" QB from Houston, made some really impressive throws that I've not seen Luck make ?
I've now got more reservations than ever that Luck is the first QB taken in the 2012 NFL Draft, let alone the first player off the Board ?
 
beerlover said:
I'll admit bias towards him now that my thinking has him going to Indianapolis. His WR's botched a bunch of spot on targets in tight windows. He still maintained excellent composure, exhibiting leadership qualities teams covet. It's just that tonight he met a team focused & hungrier than the Stanford Cardinals.

GO DUCKS
lamichael-james-oregon-ducks.jpg
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He also threw 2 interceptions and had at least 1 fumble. He struggled somewhat against a Pro-style D. He had some difficulty against a Pro-Style D with USC as well. He will be the first QB off the board, but he is not the second coming of Peyton or Elway in my opinion.
 
thunderkyss said:
Is there any difference between the offense Case Keenum is running & the offense Kevin Kolb ran @Houston?

Do you think Kevin Kolb has demonstrated the ability to be productive & be successful at the NFL level?



I agree with Yates.....
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1. I cannot answer the question regarding Kolb vs Keenum.

2. Kolb has not done enough for me to think he will be a productive and successful NFL QB. He has a career 75.1 passer rating. He has 19 tds to 22 Ints. Over the last 2 years he has played 14 games which is essentially a full season. He has a 76.95 passer rating. Kolb is not good. He is 23rd among QBs for passer rating and #4 among sacks taken.
 
Doppelganger said:
He also threw 2 interceptions and had at least 1 fumble. He struggled somewhat against a Pro-style D. He had some difficulty against a Pro-Style D with USC as well. He will be the first QB off the board, but he is not the second coming of Peyton or Elway in my opinion.
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Peyton and elway struggled in college at times too. I'm not saying luck will be great but I dont think a couple bad games is the be all end all for him.

But i think it's less likely that the colts take him.
 
Rey said:
Peyton and elway struggled in college at times too. I'm not saying luck will be great but I dont think a couple bad games is the be all end all for him.

But i think it's less likely that the colts take him.
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All I am saying is that Luck has faced 2 Pro style Defenses this year and had difficulty against them. Peyton played in the SEC where there were Pro style Defenses near every week. I don't know what Elway faced in college.

Luck may be a good QB, or even a very good QB, but Elway and Peyton are in the discussion of greatest QBs ever. I just don't see Luck in that discussion.
 
With the Rams, Cards and Dolphins all winning...

I'm pretty sure the race is over. I have serious doubts the Colts win 2 games this season. Especially having just missed a chance to beat Gabbert.
 
If the Colts get ANOTHER Peyton Manning, I'm going to puke....a bunch of times over years. :wadepalm: :overreact:
 
I'm just going to downplay how good he is since he is going to the Colts.

Seriously though, what the heck are they going to do if Peyton comes back and plays another 4 or 5 years? That is too long to stick Luck on the bench.
 
TexCanada said:
I'm just going to downplay how good he is since he is going to the Colts.

Seriously though, what the heck are they going to do if Peyton comes back and plays another 4 or 5 years? That is too long to stick Luck on the bench.
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Think Green Bay. This could get fun.
 
Fluck it , let them have Luck ..... they will still suck. That team is flawed in so many ways , they remind me of the 2-14 Texans.
 
why couldnt this happen before the change in rookie pay? it would be wonderful for the colts to tie up all that money on a backup quarterback while the rest of the team is in complete ruin.
 
IDEXAN said:
I've watched two Stanford games on TV this year, and last night for the second time this season I'm wondering if Luck was the best QB on the field ? Just like in the first game vs USC, in the game last night I thought the QB on Stanfords opponents team had atleast as much accuracy and actually a stronger arm. Duck QB Darren Thomas, the "other" QB from Houston, made some really impressive throws that I've not seen Luck make ?
I've now got more reservations than ever that Luck is the first QB taken in the 2012 NFL Draft, let alone the first player off the Board ?
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The overall body of work, plus Luck's perfect size, Manning-like NFL brain, and accuracy have locked Luck in.

I just can't believe the Colts would sit him for 3-4 years. They may hold an auction and see if someone is willing to offer them 3 1st round picks plus a bunch of others. Their Herschel Walker moment perhaps. They pickes a great year to botton out.
 
Doppelganger said:
All I am saying is that Luck has faced 2 Pro style Defenses this year and had difficulty against them. Peyton played in the SEC where there were Pro style Defenses near every week. I don't know what Elway faced in college.

Luck may be a good QB, or even a very good QB, but Elway and Peyton are in the discussion of greatest QBs ever. I just don't see Luck in that discussion.
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I'm not arguing for luck either way. I'm just saying I don't know.

But you don't always see guys coming who are going to be "one of the best ever". Sometimes they sneak up on you.

But I get what you're saying.

On another note, for some of the same reasons I could see the colts trading out of that spot unless it's looking like it's over for Peyton for real.

But if he's looking like he's going to play I could see a number of teams wanting to give up a kings ransom to jump a couple spots and take him.

The colts could still get a good young developmental qb to learn behind Peyton and a slew of other resources to bolster their current roster. I'm actually more worried about that than then getting luck. If you have a good defense any qb is beatable.
 
Kellen Moore might be a good one for a team that won't have a shot at Luck. I've watched them both a few times over the past couple years and there isn't much drop off from Luck to Moore, imo.
 
toronto said:
The overall body of work, plus Luck's perfect size, Manning-like NFL brain, and accuracy have locked Luck in.

I just can't believe the Colts would sit him for 3-4 years. They may hold an auction and see if someone is willing to offer them 3 1st round picks plus a bunch of others. Their Herschel Walker moment perhaps. They pickes a great year to botton out.
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No doubt that Luck is off the chart in terms of intangibles - he's cerebral (actually he's really kinda nerdy), a consumate team guy, and physically he's NFL-TE sized and very durable. He's accurrate but don't know if he's supremely accurate, and his arm strength is slightly above average, , B- to B range in we are using letter grades ?
Those are my thoughts. It's just that the 2 games I watched him play this year aginst 2 very good teams (USC & Oregon), I didn't see a guy who really commanded the game like a truely magnificient talent like an Elway was. He's more of a game-manager IMO, which is certainly valuable.
But the 2012 Draft is going to be great with or without Luck because the slot money for the top picks (even #1), won't be prohibitively expensive to prevent a lot of wheeling and dealing on Draft day, and maybe pre Draft. NFL college Drafts should be better than ever.
 
PsychoLove said:
Living in California, I have watched every Luck/Stanford game. He is the real deal.
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There are a lot of "real deals" that made it to the NFL & thought they had "made it"

The guys who want to be more than what they are, are the guys who make something out of their careers. We won't know what Luck is or isn't until he signs that mega buck million dollar contract & takes a few licks.

We won't know who Luck is until he understands he'll make as much money sitting on that bench as he will getting pummeled by 250lb+ guys.
 
thunderkyss said:
There are a lot of "real deals" that made it to the NFL & thought they had "made it"

The guys who want to be more than what they are, are the guys who make something out of their careers. We won't know what Luck is or isn't until he signs that mega buck million dollar contract & takes a few licks.

We won't know who Luck is until he understands he'll make as much money sitting on that bench as he will getting pummeled by 250lb+ guys.
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If he wanted the $$$, he would have came out last year. This year will have rookie caps. His family is not poor. Whoever wins the suck for Luck will have a pro style offensive QB that has been groomed by Harbaugh already in a WCO. Plus, he has above average speed for a QB. Not counting you can't be dumb and get through Stanford.
 
PsychoLove said:
If he wanted the $$$, he would have came out last year. This year will have rookie caps. His family is not poor. Whoever wins the suck for Luck will have a pro style offensive QB that has been groomed by Harbaugh already in a WCO. Plus, he has above average speed for a QB. Not counting you can't be dumb and get through Stanford.
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Are you saying he is a lock for the Hall of Fame?

If not.... none of that stuff you just said matters. He still has to play the game & the deck is stacked against him.
 
I would like them to draft Luck and he refuse to play for them, demand a trage and all, remember Eli Manning and the Chargers, time for some payback. I could see luck now, I refuse to play for such a poorly ran franchise, etc etc. LOL
 
pirbroke said:
I would like them to draft Luck and he refuse to play for them, demand a trage and all, remember Eli Manning and the Chargers, time for some payback. I could see luck now, I refuse to play for such a poorly ran franchise, etc etc. LOL
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I don't think Luck would refuse to play for Indy becuase its poorly run, I think he would refuse to play for them becuase they have virtually nothing of value for him. To be successful a QB needs:

1) a good O line, Indy doesn't have that.
2) a good running game to keep the defense honest, Indy doesn't have that.
3) playmakers to help a QB. Indy has Reggie Wayne who is a FA in 2012 and unlikely to return to the Colts.
4) A Strong defense to keep the team in the game. Indy doesn't have that.

In short, Indy would essentially be a team that needs to be constructed from the ground up. There is nothing good about playing in Indy. If I was Indy i would seriously consider taking LT Matt Kalil with the first pick and then OT Mike Adams or Kevin Zeitler. They should address that O line and get it together rather than throw a young QB behind a non existent o line.
 
Indy has more needs than just a QB. Even if Payton Manning comes back next year, they'll still have problems. My feeling is the Titans or Jags will challange the Texans for the division before Indy will again.

Indy has had their day in the sun, and it's over now.
 
Doppelganger said:
I don't think Luck would refuse to play for Indy becuase its poorly run, I think he would refuse to play for them becuase they have virtually nothing of value for him. To be successful a QB needs:
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Luck doesn't strike me as a player who would refuse to play for them... for any reason.
 
bah007 said:
I had Bradford rated higher than most people when he came out and even I think Luck is way better.

His floor and ceiling are both way higher.
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When you put Luck and John Elway in the same sentence, you have got to take Luck #1. He's going to be somebody special.
 
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