Doesn't make sense for Sporano to tank it..... he's gone if he doesn't win. He won't be picking Andrew Luck regardless if the Dolphins get the first pick.
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Doesn't make sense for Sporano to tank it..... he's gone if he doesn't win. He won't be picking Andrew Luck regardless if the Dolphins get the first pick.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I've thought about this a lot and I just don't agree with you. Dolphins need a huge year in 2012 and after Luck the QBs fall off a lot. Dolphins could sell a QB with 3 straight years averaging 4500 yds especially if Texans go deep into playoffs. Luck is the only QB I think could start & be successful @ Miami rooke year.
We gave two 2nds for Schaub knowing little about him. I think 2 firsts with teams knowing what he delivers is reasonable. The pressure is on Miami not Houston.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Schaub's contract ends after 2012 season so he could tutor only one year. I do not want to trade either Foster or Tate as we finally have that position locked down. Also Rams don't really need a DE. Also, in our O. Luck can start immediately.What if we put Mario Williams, Ben Tate & our first round pick to the Rams (if they win & aren't in need for a QB?)
Then we get luck to sit & watch Matt for a year or two & we continue to win until Luck is ready to play?
No QB needs to start right away. Whether they can or not. However good he can be, he can be better by taking his time & learning the game before getting beat to ****.
badboy
Hall of Fame
We better find a QB somewhere as Schaub's deal is up end of 2012. Options:
re-sign MS at much higher contract (don't forget that Mario is FA after this season). Other FA after this season,
Pos Player FA Status Previous Team Current Team RB Arian Foster RFA Houston Texans Free Agent RB Derrick Ward UFA Houston Texans Free Agent WR Bryant Johnson UFA Houston Texans Free Agent TE Joel Dreessen UFA Houston Texans Free Agent PK Neil Rackers UFA Houston Texans Free Agent DL Damione Lewis UFA Houston Texans Free Agent LB Mario Williams UFA Houston Texans Free Agent
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2012#ixzz1bucEmxtf
badboy
Hall of Fame
If you can get Luck and keep Schaub for his last year, great. You are gonna need at least 2 firsts rounds next draft to get Luck maybe more.
RagingBull
Hall of Shame
I think Schaub would bring similar draft picks to what the Broncos got for Cutler.
bah007
Hall of Fame
No, I don't. A coach's job security is based on how much he wins. Losing on purpose just gives them more ammunition against you come contract time. What possible assurance could they give him that would make him believe losing is in his best interest?
What if they turn their back on him and fire him? Now he is really screwed. Who the hell would hire him after that disaster of a season?
If you were to say that the front office is secretly hoping for losses and may actually try to make some moves that might hurt the team in the short term, I would say yeah I can believe that. But there is no way they would ever get the coaches or the players involved. There is no way it could be pulled off without friction.
Can you imagine an owner or front office personnel walking into a locker room full of coaches and professional athletes and pulling this one off?:
"Hey guys, what's up? As you all know, we are the worst team in the league. But there is hope. If we lose the rest of our games on purpose we will get the #1 pick in the draft. Then, we can select a kid who is barely old enough to drink and he will save us. That's right, I have more belief in this kid who has never played a professional down than I do in all of you."
That should go over real well..
badboy
Hall of Fame
a first and conditional 2013 that could upgrade to a first. Yep, I kept that in mind. Cutler has been out of NFl for a bit and Schaub has been making hay while sun shines. If Matt takes Texans to 11-5 or more, Miami should be drooling. Like Oakland they may be willing to pay and pay big. Dolphins could select other players but need a QB desperately.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Huh?
Blake
MMQB
Who said anything about Sporano? It doesnt take a head coach to make them lose. Just a coordinator like Mike Nolan to call the wrong defense on key situations.
You don't necessarily have " EVERYBODY LOSE" written on the whiteboard at practice. All it takes is a single coordinator nudging a bad team over the edge with a few key play call blunders.
Franchises have tanked before. I dont understand why everyone thinks its insane to fathom. Numerous instances have been brought up. The NBA does it all the time. And the NFL is not immune to corruption or scandal.
I would do just about whatever it takes for Luck. He is, and will be, that good. Arm strength and accuracy, mobility, size, intelligence, demeanor, he has it all. Out of all the players I have scouted over the last couple years (since I have been following the draft), Luck is ranked first. I cannot think of a reason why he would bust in the NFL.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I would take the set of draft picks, depending on what the package is. If we are talking about multiple first rounders and multiple second rounders with lower picks included, I am entertaining that offer.
A team like the Rams, the Colts, and the Seahawks need depth. People get injured in the NFL. Look at the Colts. They were one of the best teams in the league, but look at them now. Its rare a guy will play almost every single game for a football team during his career, as Peyton did. Even missing only one season in 10 years is rare.
Depth and balance are the two things that teams should be constantly seeking.
I didn't understand the Nolan reference earlier, now I do.
Would you give him a second chance at HC though? He couldn't control his locker room.
Ditka traded a ton of picks for R. Williams .... Of the players drafted with those traded picks , none lasted more than 3 years in the league. Ricky is still playing .....
GP
Go Texans!
Which is why they become a bust. Expectations work in funny ways like that.
College game and Pro Game are on different levels. I don't know that Stanford is facing any tougher competition than Fresno State did.......
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
That's the fault of the scouting department.
I would look at acquiring alot of high value assets if I was at #1. The race for Luck will probably be unprecedented barring injury. Teams will probably be willing to part with more than we are used to seeing. I would get while the gettin's good.
Doppelganger
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I agree with TexansSeminole. Look at the Herschel Walker trade. After wheeling and dealing the six draft picks they got from the Vikings resulted in: running back Emmitt Smith, wide receiver Alexander Wright, defensive tackle Russell Maryland, wide receiver Alvin Harper, linebacker Dixon Edwards, linebacker Robert Jones , cornerback Kevin Smith, and safety Darren Woodson. Smith, Wright, and Harper along with Aikman and Irvin became the core of the Cowboy offense, and Maryland, Edwards, Smith, and Woodson were the corp of the Cowboy Defense that won those 3 championships.
And in terms of the Ricky trade: the Skins drafted poorly. They could have had: Jevon kearse, Marty Booker, Aaron Smith, Jerry Azumah, Donald Driver, Desmond Clark, Brian urlacher, and Laveranues Coles. Had the Redskins drafted those players, and gotten a decent QB, they would have been contending for superbowls and everyone would be looking back on that trade as a coup by the Redskins.
This is definitely starting to sound like the Reggie Bush hype, it's getting to the point there's no way Luck will be able to live up to it.
Peyton Manning has one SuperBowl
Phillip Rivers has never been
Michael Vick... none
Eli Manning, one
Sam Bradford plays on one of the worst teams in the NFL (still)
STafford is stuck in Detroit
Jamarcus Russell
David Carr
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Carson Palmer
Tim Couch
Ryan Leaf
The list is extremely long, most of them never live up to the hype or get anywhere near a Super Bowl.
This kid's career may be over before he even starts if he tries to live up to his expectations.
GP
Go Texans!
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The probability that Luck will be what people think he will be is pretty small. Let's look at QBs selected with the first pick since 1983:
1983: John Elway
1987: Vinny Testeverde
1989: Troy Aikman
1990: Jeff George
1993: Drew bledsoe
1998: Peyton Manning
2001: Michael Vick
2002: David Carr
2003: Carson Palmer
2004: Eli Manning
2005: ALex Smith
2007: Jamarcus Russell
2009: Matthew Stafford
2010:Sam Bradford
I think you have to take Luck. It is more likely he does "ok" than his a complete bust or superstar. He could have the career of Drew Bledsoe or Vinny Testaverde and it would be a very respectable and solid pick. But you said, " I would do just about whatever it takes for Luck." To justify that, Luck would need to become a superstar in the league who can take over a game, lead a deficient team to the promised land, and do it consistently over a long and storied career. Elway, Aikman, Peyton are the only QBs on that list who meet that criteria? That's it.
Now, you may say that's not bad odds, 3/14. But I would counter and say its a lot worse than that. The reason being that of that group only Manning played in the salary cap era post (1994). So if you look at those numbers it looks A LOT worse: 10%. Now take the scenario that Luck busts and the team that took him was the worst team. In that scenario, that team is setback a few years. Now, if another team trades a MASSIVE ransom for Luck and he busts they could be setback 3-4 additional years.
Then, think of the story of Carson Palmer. He was looking great until one fluke injury in the playoff occurs and he is never the same again. Unlike basketball, the NFL is a TEAM game. There is only 1 John Elway, Troy Aikman, and Peyton Manning. As good as Luck may look, I don't think he is in that class.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Huh? More like CRAP! I said that? Carson Pakmer of course and yes he was not out long but I think you know what I mean.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Actually, I wasn't trying to bust your chops or anything; I just really didn't know what you were saying. Thought maybe you meant a different QB. I think I get it now.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Interesting you two say this, there's been rumblings that Luck will in fact pull a Marino/Eli and get himself in the team he wants. Considering who his father is, I'm inclined to believe that, Luck may not necessarily go for the big money on his first contract.
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If that's the case where do you think he would want to go?
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Bradford had mondo injury issues coming out and played in a spread, so it wasn't a for sure thing that he could run an offense in the NFL with multiple progressions, or even what his progressions looked like when he was at OU.
If Luck gets a gnarly injury sometime this year he would still be considered a better prospect than Bradford simply based on how effective he is at running a pro-style offense.
But the pro style is getting more & more "spread" oriented.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Yeah but most pro offenses aren't 4WR/5WR Shotgun sets 90% of the time like some of the offenses you see in college. You have QB's who may have issues with footwork being under center as well as most pro scouts can't really identify the progressions one of these spread college QB's are making, or how many reads they might have.
This is why it's still a knock. Many good QB's have come from spread offenses, but many bad ones have come as well.
BeerTastesLikeVictory
Custom Title
Or they are just getting a jump start on their game plan when they have to play against him.
srrono
All Pro
due diligence yeah could be
badboy
Hall of Fame
So Luck is the only possible NFL draftee on either team?
Hmm.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
True, the Texans could be playing against him twice a year after this next draft.
There were about 5 1st round picks playing in the STANFORD-USC game.
Very impressed with how Luck responded to the pick six in the 4th quarter. He doesn't have the overwhelming ability that Cam Newton possesses. But, Luck has ability, leadership, and poise. He is probably the safest #1 pick in years.
Ben Maller has in sports talk, etc long enough to know that at a game like that there are plenty of scouts and plenty of prospects. This how bad rumors get started.
Hopefully they were scouting Martin and DeCastro.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Matt Barkley is a damn good QB himself and would probably go #1 overall in any draft not containing Andrew Luck. I have a feeling if Luck goes pro, Barkley goes back for another year at USC. If Luck stays in college then I bet Barkley comes out.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I'll take that bet
Barkley comes out. Draft slots are now capped no big ridiculous guaranteed money or contracts so no reason to stay another year. same as Luck.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yep that was my point. Several future NFL players in that game. Every team should have had a scout there.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Nuh uh no way. He should be second QB taken and maybe the 2nd overall pick. I could see him going to Miami if Indy takes Luck.
GlassHalfFull
Hall of Fame
That's pretty funny.
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
I've been thinking the same thing. Texans need to address their QB position in the next coming years to ensure that Schaub can't hold them hostage. As we've seen with the OD-Garrett Graham situation, the Texans FO isn't shy about drafting replacement if contract negotiations don't go their way.
Doppelganger
None
Sorry Gary, but I just don't see Keenum as anything more than a system QB. He is very much in line with Timmy Chang, Graham Harrell, and Colt Brennan...QBs that put up HUGE numbers in college but were strictly system QBs. UH does not play a top defense that requires him to make reads nor does he play a quality defense.
I don't think Case is worth a draft choice at all. We already have a pretty solid NFL project QB on the team. TJ Yates was just drafted last year. IMO Yates has a higher ceiling than Keenum.