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LikeMike

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I can't remember an offseason like this since I started following the Texans. So let's take a look at the team.

The base:

QB Deshaun Watson - we have got a real franchise QB, still young and on his rookie deal. We should be set for the next 10 years and he will give us the chance to win every game.

LT Laremy Tunsil - the best LT 25 and under. We still got him on a rookie deal. Again we should be set for the next 10 years and have one less worry. Plus whoever plays LG will have an easier time now.

DE JJ Watt - is getting up there in age and has battled some injuries, but if last season is any indication, he still got it.

WR DeAndre Hopkins - best WR in the league and still on the good side of 30.

I believe every team in the league would like to have this base.

The good:

OL we now have a lot of young talent that should turn our biggest weakness of last season into a strength.

TE several young, promising, cheap players

WR - until we have to pay Fuller or let him leave, I believe we have the best WR of the league.

DT/DE Reader has played real well for us, will be interesting when his contract talks come up...

FS Justin Reid is a stud and a difference make.

The bad:

CBs I am still unsure what we've got. Right now I would call this our biggest weakness.

OLB I like Mercilus and he played well when he was primary a pass catcher - but we have got a lot of questionmarks here.

Picks this is the big one. Without 2 firsts and a second the next two years we can't reliably fill holes via the draft and we will have to pay FAs - which will be difficult to fit unter the cap. Honestly, this is the only thing that really irks me.

Overall I am stoked for the season. Stoked to hopefully see a competent oline - stoked to see Watson with some time and a ton of weapons. We will be better than last year, but our secondary could still kill us.

And the future? We have filled the spots that are the hardest to fill - every other position you can find players in FA and they are easier to draft. Our core is great - now let's see what coaching and our future GM does with it...
 
LikeMike said:
I can't remember an offseason like this since I started following the Texans. So let's take a look at the team.

The base:

QB Deshaun Watson - we have got a real franchise QB, still young and on his rookie deal. We should be set for the next 10 years and he will give us the chance to win every game.

LT Laremy Tunsil - the best LT 25 and under. We still got him on a rookie deal. Again we should be set for the next 10 years and have one less worry. Plus whoever plays LG will have an easier time now.

DE JJ Watt - is getting up there in age and has battled some injuries, but if last season is any indication, he still got it.

WR DeAndre Hopkins - best WR in the league and still on the good side of 30.

I believe every team in the league would like to have this base.

The good:

OL we now have a lot of young talent that should turn our biggest weakness of last season into a strength.

TE several young, promising, cheap players

WR - until we have to pay Fuller or let him leave, I believe we have the best WR of the league.

DT/DE Reader has played real well for us, will be interesting when his contract talks come up...

FS Justin Reid is a stud and a difference make.

The bad:

CBs I am still unsure what we've got. Right now I would call this our biggest weakness.

OLB I like Mercilus and he played well when he was primary a pass catcher - but we have got a lot of questionmarks here.

Picks this is the big one. Without 2 firsts and a second the next two years we can't reliably fill holes via the draft and we will have to pay FAs - which will be difficult to fit unter the cap. Honestly, this is the only thing that really irks me.

Overall I am stoked for the season. Stoked to hopefully see a competent oline - stoked to see Watson with some time and a ton of weapons. We will be better than last year, but our secondary could still kill us.

And the future? We have filled the spots that are the hardest to fill - every other position you can find players in FA and they are easier to draft. Our core is great - now let's see what coaching and our future GM does with it...
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Hey great job. I’m actually listening to Rattlesnake Radio now from the Rattlesnake Saloon in Munich. Anyway keep an eye on the new edge rusher Jacob Martin. Could be a Mercilus replacement? Roby looks good at CB. Got a rookie CB that appears to be a fast learner.nobody likes to give up draft choices but we got better. Clowney is shaping into a contract nightmare that I’m sure we will be glad to be rid of, IMO. Btw, go Astros. Verlander just tossed a no hitter.
 
Texans “flatter” management structure falls flat on its face
Posted by Mike Florio on September 1, 2019, 12:23 PM EDT


Saturday’s whirlwind of transactions provided the first real test for Houston’s new-look, no-G.M. front office. The grade for the “flatter” management structure: A big, fat F.

Through not just one but two disastrous trades, the Texans not only botched their divorce from Jadeveon Clowney but also authored a mini-Herschel Walker fiasco that mortgages the future and complicates the process of hiring any G.M. who has real options in 2020.


The blame lands nowhere but on the desk of Cal McNair, who is now running the franchise following the passing of team founder of his father, Bob McNair. Cal McNair signed off on that clumsy plan to fire G.M. Brian Gaine and lure Nick Caserio from the Patriots, as if taking from the Patriots an employee they are intent on keeping ever works. Along the way, the Texans frustrating the Fritz Pollard Alliance by interviewing a pair of minority G.M. candidates for the job (Martin Mayhew and Ray Farmer) before deciding not to hire anyone.

The situation went sideways once the Texans hired from the Patriots an employee they definitely didn’t want to keep: Jack Easterby. He’s a former chaplain turned, well, something other than a chaplain but lacking the chops to do the job he now has, whatever it may be. It utimately entails significant influence with minimal accountability, since he can always claim (after one of the decisions he influences goes poorly) that he’s not a “football guy.”

At a time when some think that Sunday’s doubleheader of deals that may rip out the heart of the franchise are the result of coach Bill O’Brien operating without the balance that comes from having another strong voice in the organization, others believe that this isn’t simply Easterby failing to be O’Brien’s foil but Easterby subtly taking charge and imposing via whispers to McNair a vision for the roster that Easterby has crafted without having, you know, the skills, abilities, or experience to do so.

Let’s start with the trade that sent Jadeveon Clowney to Seattle. The failure of the Texans to trade him before July 15, the deadline for signing Clowney to a long-term deal, made Clowney less attractive to a new team, since the new team was getting, as a practical matter, a one-year rental. So the Seahawks wisely viewed Clowney as a one-year rental, and they negotiated with the Texans accordingly.

The initial terms — a third-round pick, linebacker Jacob Martin, and pass-rusher Barkevious Mingo — seemed a little rich, even though Mingo probably would have been cut, anyway. Sunday’s news that the Texans are paying $7 million of Clowney’s franchise tender of nearly $16 million makes it a great deal for the Seahawks. They get Clowney for one season at nearly $9 million, dibs at signing him to a new deal after the season (they’ve agreed not to restrict him with the franchise tag), and they’ll be eligible for a compensatory draft pick in 2021 that could climb as high as the third-round pick they sent to Houston for 2020.

So the Texans are buying a 2020 third-round pick and two players (one that probably could have been signed as a free agent) for $7 million. If the Texans simply hadn’t tagged Clowney in the first place, they could have gotten a 2020 third-round compensatory pick, without paying the $7 million. (If they’d simply rescinded the tender, there’s a chance they still would have been eligible for a compensatory pick in 2020. The answer to this isn’t completely clear; different people from different teams have different views on whether a compensatory pick would have been available.)

Thus, the Texans shouldn’t have applied the tender in the first place, and they should have rescinded the tender in lieu of doing the deal that was done on Saturday (even if they wouldn’t have gotten a compensatory pick by rescinding the tender in late August).

Then there’s the trade that made everyone quickly forget the Clowney debacle, and not in a good way. To get tackle Laremy Tunsil and receiver Kenny Stills from Miami (along with a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-rounder), the Texans gave up their 2020 first-round pick, their 2021 first-round pick, their 2021 second-round pick, tackle Julien Davenport, and cornerback Johnson Bademosi.

Even if there’s any way to defend the value the Texans got in exchange for the picks they surrendered (there isn’t), the fact that they did the deal without a long-term extension for Laremy Tunsil boggles the mind. Given what the Texans surrendered to get Tunsil, Tunsil and his agents will have the bulls by the balls (and then some) when it’s time to negotiate a new deal.

The league is buzzing about the level of ineptitude that these deals demonstrate. But few are surprised. The General Manager is gone, the coach (who has shown that he is a very good coach) isn’t a personnel specialist, and the guy who has finagled a path from chaplain to inner circle lacks the capacity to even begin to understand how the job is supposed to work.

Cal McNair boasted in July that the team will have “flatter organization with a faster management style” and that the “organization is totally re-energized with a team-based approach and new leadership based on sub programs with each sub program being fully optimized as a goal.” It was a confusing talking point when it was articulated by McNair, and it’s more confusing now.

Given the long-term impact of Saturday’s moves (along with the lingering presence of Easterby), it will be incredibly difficult for the Texans to hire the kind of G.M. they need in 2020. Whoever that G.M. is will surely have a chance to be a G.M. somewhere else next year, or to wait for another opportunity in 2021
 
TheKDog said:
Texans “flatter” management structure falls flat on its face
Posted by Mike Florio on September 1, 2019, 12:23 PM EDT


Saturday’s whirlwind of transactions provided the first real test for Houston’s new-look, no-G.M. front office. The grade for the “flatter” management structure: A big, fat F.

Through not just one but two disastrous trades, the Texans not only botched their divorce from Jadeveon Clowney but also authored a mini-Herschel Walker fiasco that mortgages the future and complicates the process of hiring any G.M. who has real options in 2020.


The blame lands nowhere but on the desk of Cal McNair, who is now running the franchise following the passing of team founder of his father, Bob McNair. Cal McNair signed off on that clumsy plan to fire G.M. Brian Gaine and lure Nick Caserio from the Patriots, as if taking from the Patriots an employee they are intent on keeping ever works. Along the way, the Texans frustrating the Fritz Pollard Alliance by interviewing a pair of minority G.M. candidates for the job (Martin Mayhew and Ray Farmer) before deciding not to hire anyone.

The situation went sideways once the Texans hired from the Patriots an employee they definitely didn’t want to keep: Jack Easterby. He’s a former chaplain turned, well, something other than a chaplain but lacking the chops to do the job he now has, whatever it may be. It utimately entails significant influence with minimal accountability, since he can always claim (after one of the decisions he influences goes poorly) that he’s not a “football guy.”

At a time when some think that Sunday’s doubleheader of deals that may rip out the heart of the franchise are the result of coach Bill O’Brien operating without the balance that comes from having another strong voice in the organization, others believe that this isn’t simply Easterby failing to be O’Brien’s foil but Easterby subtly taking charge and imposing via whispers to McNair a vision for the roster that Easterby has crafted without having, you know, the skills, abilities, or experience to do so.

Let’s start with the trade that sent Jadeveon Clowney to Seattle. The failure of the Texans to trade him before July 15, the deadline for signing Clowney to a long-term deal, made Clowney less attractive to a new team, since the new team was getting, as a practical matter, a one-year rental. So the Seahawks wisely viewed Clowney as a one-year rental, and they negotiated with the Texans accordingly.

The initial terms — a third-round pick, linebacker Jacob Martin, and pass-rusher Barkevious Mingo — seemed a little rich, even though Mingo probably would have been cut, anyway. Sunday’s news that the Texans are paying $7 million of Clowney’s franchise tender of nearly $16 million makes it a great deal for the Seahawks. They get Clowney for one season at nearly $9 million, dibs at signing him to a new deal after the season (they’ve agreed not to restrict him with the franchise tag), and they’ll be eligible for a compensatory draft pick in 2021 that could climb as high as the third-round pick they sent to Houston for 2020.

So the Texans are buying a 2020 third-round pick and two players (one that probably could have been signed as a free agent) for $7 million. If the Texans simply hadn’t tagged Clowney in the first place, they could have gotten a 2020 third-round compensatory pick, without paying the $7 million. (If they’d simply rescinded the tender, there’s a chance they still would have been eligible for a compensatory pick in 2020. The answer to this isn’t completely clear; different people from different teams have different views on whether a compensatory pick would have been available.)

Thus, the Texans shouldn’t have applied the tender in the first place, and they should have rescinded the tender in lieu of doing the deal that was done on Saturday (even if they wouldn’t have gotten a compensatory pick by rescinding the tender in late August).

Then there’s the trade that made everyone quickly forget the Clowney debacle, and not in a good way. To get tackle Laremy Tunsil and receiver Kenny Stills from Miami (along with a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-rounder), the Texans gave up their 2020 first-round pick, their 2021 first-round pick, their 2021 second-round pick, tackle Julien Davenport, and cornerback Johnson Bademosi.

Even if there’s any way to defend the value the Texans got in exchange for the picks they surrendered (there isn’t), the fact that they did the deal without a long-term extension for Laremy Tunsil boggles the mind. Given what the Texans surrendered to get Tunsil, Tunsil and his agents will have the bulls by the balls (and then some) when it’s time to negotiate a new deal.

The league is buzzing about the level of ineptitude that these deals demonstrate. But few are surprised. The General Manager is gone, the coach (who has shown that he is a very good coach) isn’t a personnel specialist, and the guy who has finagled a path from chaplain to inner circle lacks the capacity to even begin to understand how the job is supposed to work.

Cal McNair boasted in July that the team will have “flatter organization with a faster management style” and that the “organization is totally re-energized with a team-based approach and new leadership based on sub programs with each sub program being fully optimized as a goal.” It was a confusing talking point when it was articulated by McNair, and it’s more confusing now.

Given the long-term impact of Saturday’s moves (along with the lingering presence of Easterby), it will be incredibly difficult for the Texans to hire the kind of G.M. they need in 2020. Whoever that G.M. is will surely have a chance to be a G.M. somewhere else next year, or to wait for another opportunity in 2021
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Lol, we’re screwed. Why play the games. Great to have ammo to ***** whine for the next 10 years you said we were going to be awful. Can I be your friend, lol?
 
I thought teams could start signing players to their Practice Squad at 1PM eastern.

Nothing's posted?
 
Dejaview said:
Lol, we’re screwed. Why play the games. Great to have ammo to ***** whine for the next 10 years you said we were going to be awful. Can I be your friend, lol?
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Every post you make it becomes clearer why Doc left
 
Like your thread LikeMike! Now past the shick, I am trying to look at what we have going forward. Can anyone verify with link as to what year we give up second rounder for Tunsil?
 
I’m getting a little excited but if the Texans don’t show up at all at the Superdome I’m bringing the pitchfork to NRG.

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LikeMike said:
https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.cbs...t-round-picks-in-wild-laremy-tunsil-deal/amp/

There you go, it’s 2021.
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Excellent! This is much better trade than I had expected. Our 2nd, two thirds (3 if we dump Duke) and the high fourth we got from Miami projected top three can be very good for us. I want to see how our depth develops during the season. IF our eventual replacement for Watt (30.5 YOA) is on roster and learning behind the great one that locks down that spot for years. Omenihu? 6'5" 280 arms 36 inches, vert 36.5 inches (pass defense). 2018 senior at Texas 14 starts: 45 tackles 18 for loss with 9.5 sacks and 2 PBUs. Even better he is locked into a four year deal at $3 million with GTD signing bonus of only $300k. I am still going to miss our first come April but will enjoy trying to find later round nuggets.
 
TheKDog said:
Tweet from @AaronWilson_NFL: Especially when they were contemplating cutting Kenny Stills or accepting much less, per sources, as low as a fifth-round draft pick, in exchange for the wide receiver. He is essentially going to Texans for 2021 second-rounder https://twitter.com/AdamHBeasley/status/1168237192889679873
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Hmmm. Sounds like the trade was lopsided. Thank you for sharing that with me.


This whole time I thought it was lopsided. But now... now I know, it was lopsided.
 
badboy said:
Excellent! This is much better trade than I had expected. Our 2nd, two thirds (3 if we dump Duke) and the high fourth we got from Miami projected top three can be very good for us. I want to see how our depth develops during the season. IF our eventual replacement for Watt (30.5 YOA) is on roster and learning behind the great one that locks down that spot for years. Omenihu? 6'5" 280 arms 36 inches, vert 36.5 inches (pass defense). 2018 senior at Texas 14 starts: 45 tackles 18 for loss with 9.5 sacks and 2 PBUs. Even better he is locked into a four year deal at $3 million with GTD signing bonus of only $300k. I am still going to miss our first come April but will enjoy trying to find later round nuggets.
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I think we should be positive for comp picks also.
 
As I think productivity impacts what compensatory picks we get I am hoping Kareem Jackson has an all pro season except for when we play Denver this year. Would be awesome if we get a third for him and honey badger.
 
Corrosion said:
What ?!

Doc left ?!

WTF ….
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This was his second to last post for context:

I'm sorry, no it's not when it gets this ridiculous and members and/or mods take the time to call it out for what it is........and the rest of the members have enough respect to understand and adhere to the expected structure of the Board. We've lost good members for just this reason...........thinking they were tuning into rerun episodes of "Members Gone Wild."
 
kiwitexansfan said:
This was his second to last post for context:

I'm sorry, no it's not when it gets this ridiculous and members and/or mods take the time to call it out for what it is........and the rest of the members have enough respect to understand and adhere to the expected structure of the Board. We've lost good members for just this reason...........thinking they were tuning into rerun episodes of "Members Gone Wild."
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English kiwi English!
 
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