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The State of the Texans from an Eagles fan. Stats included

Texans_Chick said:
And KT wins the thread by a knockout. :perfect10:

I am very curious to hear Eagle fans' response to their troubles against zone blocking.

BTW, the Broncos played the NFC East last year and Kubiak has that relatively recent game planning still in his noggin.
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Traditionally the eagles value speed over brute size. Zone blocking is about as brutal as it gets and lbs. make a big difference. Pretty much they are overpowered.

Kubs gameplaned against a patchwork team last year. If he kept that book and plans to use it on Sept. 10th it's gonna get ugly pretty quick.
 
BigDTexansFan said:
MIGHT want to take a look at END of schedule before make travel plans for playoffs

Nov 26th Indy Away
Dec 3rd Carolina Home
Dec 10th Wash Away
Dec 17th NY Giants
Dec 24th Dallas AWay

That to me looks like a long stretch of bad road, I wasn't aware until heard someone talking how Philly had a brutal schedule at end of season and 8-8 would be an improvement.
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Yeah, they do have a brutal schedule. I saw that a long, long time ago. LOL!
 
Gaffney has good hands is truly meant to be a #3 slot receiver. He doesn't have the separation/speed to play on every down though.

The Eagles are my second favorite team. I give them about a 60% chance of winning the opener. I'm still not convinced they are back to 2004 (and before) form yet. I am hopeful.

In the NFC East, I think the Skins fall (their QB situation is a joke. Did you see their offense in those two playoff games?), the Giants will float around .500, and it will be a two-team race between Dallas and Philly.

Parcells has a history of making it work with problem children (LT, Terry Glenn, and Meshawn) as long as they perform on the field. Bledsoe looked good last year until Flo Adams (LT) went down. I think the defense they have put together will be great.

The Eagles front four on defense along with their secondary are great. My issues with the team are LB and WR. I hope Buckhalter stays healthy. Him and Westbrook make a good 1-2 punch. I also think McNabb will bounce back with no T.O. disrupting everything. 10-6 seems par for the course.
 
TheOgre said:
Gaffney has good hands is truly meant to be a #3 slot receiver. He doesn't have the separation/speed to play on every down though.

The Eagles are my second favorite team. I give them about a 60% chance of winning the opener. I'm still not convinced they are back to 2004 (and before) form yet. I am hopeful.

In the NFC East, I think the Skins fall (their QB situation is a joke. Did you see their offense in those two playoff games?), the Giants will float around .500, and it will be a two-team race between Dallas and Philly.

Parcells has a history of making it work with problem children (LT, Terry Glenn, and Meshawn) as long as they perform on the field. Bledsoe looked good last year until Flo Adams (LT) went down. I think the defense they have put together will be great.

The Eagles front four on defense along with their secondary are great. My issues with the team are LB and WR. I hope Buckhalter stays healthy. Him and Westbrook make a good 1-2 punch. I also think McNabb will bounce back with no T.O. disrupting everything. 10-6 seems par for the course.
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I agree with everything except for the bold. Parcells overlooked LT as well as the media until the sunset of LT's career. Glenn and Keyshawn were not as big as problems as they were out to be, but given the hype machine that follows Parcells he can spin anything he wants.

Parcells is the most most overhyped coach in the last 30 years in my opinion. The genius is in NE and LT retired long ago.
 
If anyone is trying to build a case against the Eagles using the "zone blocking" argument, you need to include their two games against the Redskins last year in the scope of the argument. The Skins incorporated many aspects of the stretch and backside cut and go into their offensive system last year and Portis thrived in it - although in their game at home against the Eagles in November, the Skins could do nothing on the ground.

The Eagles have a little different look on their front seven this year. Darren Howard is a hand full, Bunkley and Patterson are very promising young players.

The Eagles are going to be a very tough opponent and they are going to bring the house against our OL and QB until we can prove we can protect. Zone blocking doesn't mean diddly squat when you're trying to account for blitzing linebackers. If the Texans can run the ball effectively, that will take the pressure off Carr and keep the pressure in check to a degree. That's a big if and one of the keys to the game.

The game is winnable for the Texans but just because we installed our version of the Denver offense doesn't mean the result will be the same, especially in the first week against a tough opponent. Kubiak will have his guys ready to play. So will Smith. I'm concerned about our secondary and the Carr panic meter. We can't afford to get behind by 10 or more early.

In the Atlanta-Phi game last year, it looks like it was Atlanta's defense (or Philly's inept and mistake prone offense - take your pick) that had as much or more to do with the Falcons winning that game versus their "zone blocking scheme." What exactly did Atlanta's offense do in that game after the first quarter that was so impressive? I see six punts and two lost fumbles in their last eight drives.
 
40 rushes at 5.0 yds per clip (29 att for the RB's, 132 yds) against 23 passing attempts for the Falcons spells taking time off the clock to have a rested defense and put pressure on the pass happy Eagles. It also must be noted that Trotter was kicked out the of the game.

The Falcons controlled the time of possession in each quarter. Not exciting for many, but effective use of a scheme that has worked against the Eagles D.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20050912_PHI@ATL
 
Sure, "controlling clock" is the obvious hindsight argument here, albeit a weak one.

Just a guess but I would think the odds are fairly well stacked against any team to come out with a win if they don't score any points on their final eight drives of any given game.

Dunn had three nice runs of 10 or more, but some of their rushing yards came from Vick and probably had little to do with "zone blocking." The Eagles D also had to contend with the Vick run threat which is a slightly different game plan than the Carr run threat.

Looking ahead, if the Texans don't score on their final eight drives or in the final three quarters against the Eagles on opening weekend, I'm fairly confident they won't win the game.
 
aj. said:
Sure, "controlling clock" is the obvious hindsight argument here, albeit a weak one.

Just a guess but I would think the odds are fairly well stacked against any team to come out with a win if they don't score any points on their final eight drives of any given game.

Some of those rushing yards came from Vick and probably had little to do with "zone blocking."

Looking ahead, if the Texans don't score on their final eight drives against the Eagles on opening weekend, I'm fairly confident they won't win the game.
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I agree controlling the clock is a hyped residual benefit of a running game. That logic definitely passes muster in our travels throughout NFL history. Moreover, hindsight is what coaches base their startegy off of for the future. I have to agree with you once again that watching tape and looking at stats are awful predictors for trends to help us with the future.

I am fairly confident that if we are up 14-0 in the first quarter and we control the time of possession in each quarter we will win the game as the Falcons did. I know it is crazy and defies logic, but I am ignorant and a homer and that is how I base my opinions.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I am fairly confident that if we are up 14-0 in the first quarter and we control the time of possession in each quarter we will win the game as the Falcons did. I know it is crazy and defies logic, but I am ignorant and a homer and that is how I base my opinions.
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I see you are Channelling Dom Capers again.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I have to agree with you once again that watching tape and looking at stats are awful predictors for trends to help us with the future.
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If you want to debate, that's great. If you want to be a condescending wise ass, I'll move on to another topic that doesn't involve you. Let me know.
 
aj. said:
If you want to debate, that's great. If you want to be a condescending wise ass, I'll move on to another topic that doesn't involve you. Let me know.
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Your sweetness is my weakness.
 
aj. said:
The Eagles have a little different look on their front seven this year. Darren Howard is a hand full, Bunkley and Patterson are very promising young players.

The Eagles are going to be a very tough opponent and they are going to bring the house against our OL and QB until we can prove we can protect. Zone blocking doesn't mean diddly squat when you're trying to account for blitzing linebackers.
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You can change that blitz at will mind set with halfback screens I seen it work pretty well last night when the Steelers did it. I'm not saying it will be a cake walk but it can be done. Coach Kubes will see them blitzing like crazy and make the adjustments that is the diffrence between this years team and the team from last year good coaching.
 
In reality, the Eagles did not have to blitz that much which is odd because this is preseason and there were a lot of young guys in there. That could be a good sign also.
 
Lets face it that what the Eagles do when healthy and come the reagular season it will pin your ears back and go and thats when we will see how our coach's react. I think they will do well calling the adjustments. It will be a good game to work off win or lose but like I said I see us pulling a shocker and winning a close one.
 
Roughnecks said:
You can change that blitz at will mind set with halfback screens I seen it work pretty well last night when the Steelers did it. I'm not saying it will be a cake walk but it can be done. Coach Kubes will see them blitzing like crazy and make the adjustments that is the diffrence between this years team and the team from last year good coaching.
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There's many ways to beat the blitz. Knowing how it's drawn up is one thing. Doing it is another. Until we do it consistently and effectively, expect to see frequent jailbreaks. And I'm not talking about Punk Man Jones.
 
TK_Gamer said:
I think if we win it will be on a key turnover and a well timed blitz beating deep ball by david carr
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If you are correct, that type of result in the Kubiak era's first game would kickstart our fortunes and a playoff run would be well within our reach. I love the smell of confidence on a Monday morning.
 
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same as us but we only had 5 years
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Give 'em a break, they won the NFL championship 46 years ago.

The Eagles are tied with the Vikings for the third most futile NFL franchise (in terms of league championship) behind the Cardinals and Lions.
 
seriously on this thread.

NFC East should be pretty tough division ,but with parity in the NFL, most divisions are pretty tough(maybe except NFC West)

I really think we can pull off an upset(if it really is called an upset). 1) What scouting report does the Eagles have on us? Denver's would be close, but I expect Kubiak to put his spin on it and change stuff.
2)I honestly believe eventhough we won 2 games last season, we were more talented than what our record showed. Just scheme/coaching/confidence was shot in 2005.

Game should be good,Eagles were banged up last season and I expect them to rebound, but not sure if they are playoff bound due to the NFC East is tough.
 
Runner said:
I don't know - the post has something. I'm trying to put my finger on it...
...words! It has words!

Most of them are spelled right too.
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I've got a finger for it.

That was funny and you know it.
 
aj. said:
Give 'em a break, they won the NFL championship 46 years ago.

The Eagles are tied with the Vikings for the third most futile NFL franchise (in terms of league championship) behind the Cardinals and Lions.
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One of my best friends are from Philly and I am always making fun of him.

1) Texans and Eagles are tied in the amount of Superbowl rings.

2) Dallas has 5, Redskins have 2, Giants have 2, Eagles have.........oh yea....0.
There is one positive thing I can say about the Eagles. They are not the Cowboys.
 
Hey, Chuck Bednarik and Norm Van Brocklin were bad azz... give 'em some respect. Are they still alive?
 
Wolf said:
If only Moon could have gotten 28 more yards :heh:

:whip:
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I remember that game. Moon could have broken the record but they sat him in the 4th. The anouncers thought he should have been kept in to break it. After all it is an old record.
 
aj. said:
Hey, Chuck Bednarik and Norm Van Brocklin were bad azz... give 'em some respect. Are they still alive?
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Norm died many years ago. Chuck is still alive and was at camp this year.
 
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