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Numbskull said:
What are you talking about?

I was referring to him holding out. I know the condition of the majority of NO. It will take some time before the city and the people heal. RB opening wounds isn't what I would call charity work. Maybe he needs to realize that no matter how much ESPN and Sports Illustrated try to hide it, he did in fact land 2nd in the draft. Not first. I think it was a lesson in humility for him to be passed up this past April.

P.S. - I could care less how many "gifts" his family received, or in what manner. He just needs to stop being a sore loser.
 
Numbskull said:
He's done nothing but excite the fans in New Orleans and show that he's willing to make a difference both on and off the field.

Not so fast there... last I checked he wasn't exactly willing to make a difference on the field. He's looking for a few more million in his bank account before he's willing to do that.
 
the wonger need food said:
Not so fast there... last I checked he wasn't exactly willing to make a difference on the field. He's looking for a few more million in his bank account before he's willing to do that.

It's funny how early perception ends up present reality. This is a piece I found from mid May '06:

And I have to be honest, I'm not in love with the idea of drafting Williams as much as the idea of not drafting Bush. Two words summarized Bush in the week or two leading up to the draft – holdout and scandal. As in, will Reggie demand the 25 percent jump in guaranteed money that last year's number one pick, QB Alex Smith, got from the 49ers? And, what will be the fallout for Bush once the investigation is complete in regards to the allegations that his family lived in a wannabe agent’s house for free last year?

That’s a move straight out of the movie “Blue Chips.” Of course, in the movie it was only a tractor. But as you can tell from the Reggie Bush holdout rumors, he likes to aim for the sky. When Casserly sat down with Reggie and asked him about his parent’s housing arrangements last year, he walked away from the conversation convinced the kid was lying to him. Which tells me Bush doesn't get it - even though these allegations are serious enough that the USC running back could be the first player ever to lose his Heisman Trophy (something that even O.J. Simpson avoided). Casserly believed Bush was withholding the truth, and with everything else piled on top it was enough for the GM to say "thanks, but no thanks."

Even now, Bush is more concerned with whether or not he can wear #5 on his jersey next season than making this ugly situation with his parents go away. And there is plenty of talk that the New Orleans Saints, who grabbed Bush with the second pick in the draft, won’t be able to get Reggie signed before training camp.

Complete piece
 
I hope the Saints use the Eagles philosophy and let him sit, let's see how much he can make outside of Football.
 
BroussardSaint said:
Where did you hear that not a single team attempted to trade up to get Reggie Bush when he dropped to #2, and that contrary popular believe the Saints were not jumping for joy when the Texans signed Mario. They had their eye on that prize and knew first hand what a freakish DE can do after face Julius Peppers twice a year. (This was derived from Interviews on Sirius NFL radio with several members of the Saints staff.)????????? what i heard was they got offers and none was overwhelming enough to not take Reggie. And that was on Sirius radio.
And do you REALLY think that no team tried to offer something to get Reggie???? come'on man don't post false things just to try to justify y'all taking Mario.
The interview I heard was with the General Manager of the New Orlean Saints.

I posted about it either the day of or the day after the interview (May 1st)
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=22726

Pat Kirwin also later reported(on the radio, sorry no link) that according to his inside source in the Saints Organization that they were very very quiet when Mario was signed and that they were not as estatic as the fans and the Media. They thought Reggie was great but not the perfect player for their team either.

Reggie will be great. I have no doubt. But I would rather the Texans pick Mario Williams, mainly because I spent the entire last season cussing at my TV because the Texans defense was not getting any pressure on the opposing team's QB. Plus in our division the only way to beat the Colts is to pressure Peyton.

Your happy with Reggie, We're happy with Mario. Sounds like a win-win situation to me.
 
edo783 said:
And I supose the fact that his family took ~300K of money from a known gangster and southern cal gang leader (not gangsta raper or anything) LLoyd Lakes wouldn't bother anyone either. Lakes is a background member of the sports rep firm that the house and money came from and he was the one funding the firm. IMO, that is the real reason why the Texans dropped RB like a hot potatoe the Tuesday befor the draft. I doubt the Texans were real happy about the way he and his agent were acting and the NCAA thing, but when they found out about Lake they dropped him in a heartbeat. Check the San Diego newspaper about Lakes. He was just recently sent to prison on an unrelated charge.

Your supposition is exactly right. We don't care whatsoever. Whether Reggie Bush's parent's might have benefitted from Reggie's status at USC is the furthest thing on New Orleans' citizens collective minds; we have more important things to worry about. Nothing has been proven as of yet and none of these accusations are carry any kind of criminal charges. If they declare him ineligable, so f'ing what? Take his Heisman, but frankly we have better things to worry about. You know what? I bet most here would hope he did it so that the NCAA could strip a national title and a half from that school. LSU fans hate USC and we have nothing but contempt for that school. This isn't New York, this isn't Chicago, this is New Orleans; "you know, the city you saw on CNN back in September with houses flooded all the way up to their 2nd floors."

Have yall actually seen, with your own two eyes, the devestation in New Orleans? I'm not talking about on TV, I mean "HAVE YOU BEEN THERE?" There are still places where there are cars turned over ontop of houses. I was over there a couple months ago helping a friend tear through the rubble of her ruined childhood home so that they could sell the house's foundation and land. WE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT REGGIE BUSH'S PARENTS! People are just trying to survive over here and make slow progress toward normalcy. Reggie Bush has brought only hope and joy to this city, nothing else.

Watch the reaction from the Saints draft party. Do you see anyone who is upset?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1241091096088941178&q=reggie+bush+saints

Then you have all this talk about a holdout. Any real observer of the NFL should realize that holdouts are a part of the game. Don't hate the player, hate the system. If he's out a week, thats part of the game when you are trying to sign a top draft pick; when you are getting upwards of 2 weeks into a holdout, then you have a real problem. Here in New Orleans, we have seen many holdouts before and they ussually only last a few days. The NFL is a business and players want to maximize their earnings when they are about to sign away their future. Thats human nature folks. In a perfect world, Reggie would have signed with the Saints the day before the draft (like Mario), but that is just not a realistic scenario. Thats great for the Texans (I guess) that they used their leverage and got a pick signed before the draft, but that was not an option for the Saints or Reggie unfortunately.

As for the Saints coveting Mario Williams over Reggie.... LOL

Seriously, you could bash Tom Benson, Cathlene Blanco, or Ray Nagin all you want and I wouldn't have really any problem with it because most of the criticism they would get would be deserved. What I see here is a bunch of bitter boys trying to convince themselves that Reggie has somehow wounded New Orleans and its football team. A slightly strained hammy that held him out of practice for a day in mini-camp got a 2 page thread here from Dr. Cloak. People here want him to fail because they want to convince themselves that their team did the right thing in passing him up. The RB hate here is purely a result of a bunch of bitter Texan fans.
 
Numbskull said:
Your supposition is exactly right. We don't care whatsoever. Whether Reggie Bush's parent's might have benefitted from Reggie's status at USC is the furthest thing on New Orleans' citizens collective minds

Exactly. That's what differentiates Aints fans from Texans fans.

Numbskull said:
Have yall actually seen, with your own two eyes, the devestation in New Orleans?

Yes we have. We've seen an increase in our crime rate by approximately 25% since we inherited New Orleans' "displaced citizens".

Numbskull said:
Then you have all this talk about a holdout. Any real observer of the NFL should realize that holdouts are a part of the game.

Really? We have had a "real" NFL team for 5 years now and never had a holdout.

Numbskull said:
Seriously, you could bash Tom Benson, Cathlene Blanco, or Ray Nagin all you want and I wouldn't have really any problem with it because most of the criticism they would get would be deserved. What I see here is a bunch of bitter boys trying to convince themselves that Reggie has somehow wounded New Orleans and its football team. A slightly strained hammy that held him out of practice for a day in mini-camp got a 2 page thread here from Dr. Cloak. People here want him to fail because they want to convince themselves that their team did the right thing in passing him up. The RB hate here is purely a result of a bunch of bitter Texan fans.

Actually, most of us don't give the Aints or its chocolate city a second thought. But I will admit that most of us will be happy to see Leon fail because we see him as a greedy, arrogant person.
 
Numbskull said:
Your supposition is exactly right. We don't care whatsoever. Whether Reggie Bush's parent's might have benefitted from Reggie's status at USC is the furthest thing on New Orleans' citizens collective minds; we have more important things to worry about. Nothing has been proven as of yet and none of these accusations are carry any kind of criminal charges. If they declare him ineligable, so f'ing what? Take his Heisman, but frankly we have better things to worry about. You know what? .

Well, I guess this all fits well. NO is now just a pile of trash and aparently the fans are pretty much happy with, about and as trash. Good fit all around IMO. Have fun.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
that would be hilarious


No what would be hilarious is that Vince is waiting till Reggie signs so he can see what he gets.

#1 pick signed
#2 pick wants more than #1 pick got and Tom Benson is not a free spender
#3 pick thinks a QB is worth more than a DE and RB and doesn't want to sell his self cheap.

Funny, funny stuff.
 
the wonger need food said:
Exactly. That's what differentiates Aints fans from Texans fans.

Yes we have. We've seen an increase in our crime rate by approximately 25% since we inherited New Orleans' "displaced citizens".

Really? We have had a "real" NFL team for 5 years now and never had a holdout.

Actually, most of us don't give the Aints or its chocolate city a second thought. But I will admit that most of us will be happy to see Leon fail because we see him as a greedy, arrogant person.

Call me when Reggie Bush beats his wife, pulls a gun on someone, or is hit with a DUI, then you can legitimately slander RB. Till then you are either bitter or just a hater. Also, I'm not the one trolling here. Expressing a different (and more realistic) point of view is not trolling. I haven't said anything negetive about the city of Houston or the Texans. My mother's entire side of the family lives in Houston; I don't have anything against yall. Many of you however have chosen to insult both my team and city. Calling New Orleans a pile of trash is low. I could think of alot of smartass comments to reply with about both your "real" NFL team and your city, but I'll seek a higher road.

Saying that "we care about class on our football team" and then calling New Orleans a pile of trash in the next sentence illustrates the mindset of many of you.
 
Numbskull said:
I could think of alot of smartass comments to reply with about both your "real" NFL team and your city, but I'll seek a higher road.

Hopefully that road leads you in the opposite direction of the fair city of Houston. We'll even make you some "special" brownies for your trip back home. You have done nothing but act a fool so far, and you deserve the responses to this point. I would not personally insult the city of NO, but I have to tell you from experience.... this time the boot fits. So lets just move on and compare W-L at the end of this season. You might be moving in with yo mommas family over here in H-town after you see what these Texans can do.
 
PFT stuff

Heh.

BUSH SITTING OUT THE YEAR?

Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reports that Saints tailback Reggie Bush is contemplating sitting out the entire 2006 season and re-entering the draft next year if he doesn't get the kind of contract he thinks he deserves.

His leverage? More than $5 million in endorsement deals that don't require him to actually play football this season and a local fan base that thinks he's Jesus -- and that Saints owner Tom Benson is Beelzebub.

On the surface, Cole's item reads like a shill job for Bush, Segal, and/or Bush marketing agent Mike Ornstein. But unless Cole has undergone an organic personality change since jumping from the Miami Herald to Yahoo!, the last guy for whom he'd be in the tank is Bush. After all, Cole was at the leading edge of the story regarding Bush's dealings with New Era Sports & Enterainment, which helped fuel the controversy that dropped Bush to No. 2. Cole likewise has raised questions regarding Bush's relationship with Ornstein.

Instead, the Segal shill is Len Pasquarelli of ESPN.com, and to date Len has yet to suggest that Bush would sit out for the entire season. (In Friday's "Inside" -- i.e., not free -- Tip Sheet, Pasquarelli says that if the Saints try to work off of the deal that running back Ronnie Brown received as the No. 2 overall pick in 2005, "that won't get a deal done.")

And we're glad to see that someone in the "real" media other than the Clarion-Ledger is mentioning on the looming threat of a protracted holdout by Bush. The AP shockingly failed to pick up the item from earlier in the week in the Jackson, Mississippi newspaper regarding Bush's belief that the Saints promised to pay him as if he were the No. 1 overall pick, and regarding Ornstein's belief that a holdout is likely.

Surely, Bush and his advisers think that the money Reggie has sprinkled over various New Orleans charities is enough to secure for him the full support of the man on the street in New Orleans. But will it? With $5 million already in his pocket, why does he need to squeeze so much more money out of the Saints than his position in the draft merits, especially when so many of the men on the street are still struggling after Katrina?

Look, it's not the Saints' fault that the Texans, who held the No. 1 pick, concluded Bush was lying to them about the involvement of him and/or his family with folks in San Diego who allegedly provided rent-free housing and cold, hard cash in an effort to get the gig that Ornstein ultimately landed.

.....

We don't think Bush is serious about sitting out the year, because there's no way he'd be drafted No. 1 or No. 2 in 2007 after exposing himself as a complete and total turd by refusing to play for the Saints. But it's now obvious that there is a strong likelihood of a holdout lasting deep into training camp. So that picture of Reggie wearing his New Orleans uni on the cover of the current Sports Illustrated might be the last time anyone sees him in those colors for a long time.

Meanwhile, how smart do the Texans now look for telling Bush to get bent?


This will be sad for everyone if someone with the potential of Bush gets derailed because of the money thing. There have been lots of hyped college players that got off-track making the jump--protracted holdouts are stupid.
 
Why are we surprised?

I think in addition to the housing situation, the Texans realized back in mid-April that 5's priorities are clearly not football first.

Bob McNair: "Hello Reggie, welcome to Houston."

Blackberry buzzz...

Hollywood: "Hello? Yeah. Yeah... okay sure, hang on a minute.... hey Joel, tell this McNair dude to hang on a sec, Nike's on the phone."

Hang up.

Hollywood: "Sorry about that."

McNair: "No problem, welcome to Hou..."

Blackberry buzzz...

Hollywood: " Uh hang on a sec. Yeah, yeah, the NFL Office? Uh huh. Uh huh. What? Whaddaya mean I can't wear #5!"



I'm happy with the big humble kid from the small town in North Carolina. At least for now.
 
"More than $5 million in endorsement deals that don't require him to actually play football this season and a local fan base that thinks he's Jesus "
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I dunno, but when I watch the ESPN talking heads going on and on about Bush as soon as his name is mentioned, I get this same suspicious feeling as when I watch the TV financial gurus on the stock market shows going on and on about a particular stock they obviously want you to buy and I hear this voice that keeps saying in my mind "caveat emptor..caveat emptor".
Then at the end of the pitch about Bush, I almost expect to hear the ESPN
guys say something like you know ABC owns us and Disney owns ABC, and Disney will be coming out with a new movie starring Reggie Bush, just as the
financial guys are required by the SEC to give minimal disclosure re their own
personal equity portfolios.
I think celebrity Bush/Bush Inc. is already a bigger deal than Reggie Bush the
college football ever was. But I'm still very much looking forward to seeing the real football player on the field in the NFL, whenever that will be, to see how he stacks up against the legend.
 
Bush will make camp, and yes he should be taking the Saints for as much as he can get them for. It is the Saints people. The kid wont sit out football, because he loves the game, but he is expecting Benson and Co. to come through on their promise to treat him like he was the number 1 pick.
 
Numbskull said:
...As for the Saints coveting Mario Williams over Reggie.... LOL....
Betcha they would've taken Mario if we didn't. From the Saints website, an interview with Mickey Loomis
Q: Were you eating with Sean Payton when you heard that the Texans signed Mario Williams?

A: "We were going to dinner and got that call. We were surprised. I wouldn't say shocked. Mario Williams is a great player. We think an awful lot of Mario Williams. I don't think Houston needs any criticism for taking him. This kid's (Reggie Bush) worthy of being the first pick in the draft and in a lot years he would be, but we were surprised, but not shocked. We talked about the chance that we might have the chance to take Reggie Bush. I don't think any of us really took it seriously in terms of that opportunity, but when it came it was discussed."

Now, he didn't exactly come out and say it, but pretty close.
 
All of this yahoo.com stuff is pure speculation and I have to figure that these "inside sources" are just trying to build up Reggie's negotiating power and leverage to get the best deal they can possibly get. If it comes down to that, I'll be a very unhappy camper. Still, right now it is slow news in the NFL and I don't see this as a very likely scenario whatsoever. Reggie will be signed and be in camp after a short holdout. The Saints and RB know whats at stake in these negotiations and things will get resolved.

I don't doubt that the Saints might have taken Mario Williams had the Texans taken Reggie. He was definately one of the players on the Saints radar at the #2 pick. Many sources though have reported that the Saints actually were poised to pick AJ Hawk at #2 if Reggie wasn't there and if they couldn't make a trade down to grab him at #4 or #5. Once Reggie came available, Saints officials immediately said that their demands went way up and that it would have taken a monster deal for them to leave Reggie to another team. Loomis was quoted as saying they didn't get an offer that they even came close to accepting and that it would have taken a "Ricky Williams" type deal for them to move the pick. Prisco reported that Sean Payton was doing handstands after he heard that yall had passed up Bush. I really doubt that the Saints had anyone rated higher than RB.
 
Numbskull said:
Hmmmm... Reggie Bush bought a house in New Orleans yesterday... Why would he do that, considering yahoo.com has him holding out the entire year?

Maybe he needed somewhere to stash his family.
 
Anguyen said:
Here is the link about Mario Williams shows big heart off field. Hope this is not repost.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/texans/2006-06-20-williams-cover_x.htm
Here is the quotes about Williams.

Williams visited the "wounded warrior" barracks at Camp Lejeune, N.C. There he addressed about 50 Marines injured while fighting in Iraq. He even arm-wrestled Lance Cpl. Johnny R. Burra; Williams won the match. Williams was so moved that he invited each Marine to a Texans game this fall at his expense.

"I told him I was going to tell the media about what he did," says Steve Marshburn, who organized the appearance. "He said, 'Please don't.' But I said, 'Mario, people need to know about this.' "
 
This will be sad for everyone if someone with the potential of Bush gets derailed because of the money thing. There have been lots of hyped college players that got off-track making the jump--protracted holdouts are stupid.[/QUOTE said:
Haven't several hold outs in the past gotten hurt the first year in the NFL? Cedric Benson, Kellen Winslow, etc. What comes around goes around:spy:
 
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