CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Did you know that Mario is the only signed 1st round pick to date?..and every one of the next 3 picks evidently feel that they are more valuable than Mario.
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The One And Only......mario
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TexansFanatic
Extremist
Ridiculous bunch of greedsters!
I've decided Bush is a phoney. We made the right choice with Mario...
I've decided Bush is a phoney. We made the right choice with Mario...
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I was wondering with such a deep draft class. I didn't think anybody would sign that quickly because the draft was deep at alot of positions like TE etc...
We may have made the right decision in getting someone who would sign now. Hopefully everyone else takes their time to sign.
We may have made the right decision in getting someone who would sign now. Hopefully everyone else takes their time to sign.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Super Mario We are the best team at signing our picks so I'm not suprised.
wags said:
What was said by whom, and when?
I remember some who said TJ was a classic one-gapper who would have to adjust his style to play in Fangio's system.
I'm sure you can find lots of "real deal" quotes on him too if that's what you're getting at.
I was simply relaying a linemates comments from July 18, 2006.
Texans86
Rookie
The CBA needs to have the salaries of rookies put into writing. They get paid outrageous amounts of money for potential. Millions of guaranteed dollars and they haven't played a down. Reggie Bush wants to get more guaranteed money than LT, Shaun Alexander, and basically any other RB in the league. And he has yet to don a uniform in a pro game. This really is getting out of hand, and someone needs to put a stop to it. Unfortunately, I doubt it willl for some time.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
TD Rivers said:Maybe Bush knows what his value will be AFTER he faces NFL defenses so he's getting what he can now.
Not a very way out statement........get it while the HYPE is there.......it'll be much more difficult to ask for more later.....from a hospital bed.
MightyTExan
It's go time!
We gets no love. You would think they would memtion the #1 draft pick.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3296418/
NFL teams open their training camps next week, officially touching off the long road toward the next Super Bowl. And for the first time in many moons, the most interesting stories will center around prized rookies and their colossal upsides moreso than veterans and established teams.
Reggie Bush is now a New Orleans Saint. Will he be the dynamic, game-breaking dervish who bedeviled opponents while at USC? Will new head coach Sean Payton be able to find enough creative ways to get Bush the football? Will Bush be able to take the pounding of bigger, stronger and quicker defenders week after week?
Then there’s Vince Young. He was practically unstoppable while at Texas. But he toiled in a relatively simple offense in college and relied mostly on his superb athletic gifts. Can he be molded into a patient, drop-back passer who can read complicated defenses? Did the Titans do the right thing in bringing in Young as the quarterback of the future and kicking out Steve McNair, who would have been the perfect mentor?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3296418/
NFL teams open their training camps next week, officially touching off the long road toward the next Super Bowl. And for the first time in many moons, the most interesting stories will center around prized rookies and their colossal upsides moreso than veterans and established teams.
Reggie Bush is now a New Orleans Saint. Will he be the dynamic, game-breaking dervish who bedeviled opponents while at USC? Will new head coach Sean Payton be able to find enough creative ways to get Bush the football? Will Bush be able to take the pounding of bigger, stronger and quicker defenders week after week?
Then there’s Vince Young. He was practically unstoppable while at Texas. But he toiled in a relatively simple offense in college and relied mostly on his superb athletic gifts. Can he be molded into a patient, drop-back passer who can read complicated defenses? Did the Titans do the right thing in bringing in Young as the quarterback of the future and kicking out Steve McNair, who would have been the perfect mentor?
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
MightyTExan said:
Because most NFL fans aren't concerned with whether or not Mario Williams will fail. Vince Young is definitely the thing on most NFL fans minds, simply because they want to see if he will fail or not. It's like a reality show.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
MightyTExan said:
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Technically, Bush is NOT a New Orleans Saint...........until a contract is signed, the RIGHTS to Bush are held by the Saints.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Don't kid yourself, its Reggie Bush people are looking out for, most football fans should know that Vince won't start this year.Titan "Tack" Fan said:
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I dont know if most NFL fans think Mario is the real deal....I think those that actually know something about Mario know he has probably the biggest chance out of the top 3.
TheCD
Rookie
I used to fall for this "Reggie is a class act" b.s. until recently. He had the opportunity to fall into the lap of a city that desperately needs him to help rebuild itself from its recent catastrophy...and yet he could care less about doing that until they pay him first...
He wants 1st overall QB money...not just good money, he wants to the the highest paid rookie ever (and I'll be willing to bet that if he gets it he'll have the highest rookie contract for a great number of years as well, since every team will be saying "You're no Reggie Bush, we're not going to pay you more than he got paid") The fact is, he's turned out to be greedy and selfish on a team who's city is in desparate need of a stand-up guy to help turns things around. I'll be the first to laugh at him if he turns out to be the greatest bust in the history of sports...
He wants 1st overall QB money...not just good money, he wants to the the highest paid rookie ever (and I'll be willing to bet that if he gets it he'll have the highest rookie contract for a great number of years as well, since every team will be saying "You're no Reggie Bush, we're not going to pay you more than he got paid") The fact is, he's turned out to be greedy and selfish on a team who's city is in desparate need of a stand-up guy to help turns things around. I'll be the first to laugh at him if he turns out to be the greatest bust in the history of sports...
Numbskull
Noob
TheCD said:
Ignorant and bitter still almost three months later. Yall need to get over your front office's nonpick of Bush.
http://www.nola.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/sports-2/1151906459103650.xml#continue
NoBullTexan
Waterboy
"Reggie Bush says all the right things when folks are watching. He could very well turn out to be a problem child however, behind closed doors."
Sure has a resonant ring to it. We shall see.
Sure has a resonant ring to it. We shall see.
the wonger need food
All Pro
Numbskull said:
Great first post numbskull! Hopefully it will be your last...
Leon's philanthropy is simply a part of his marketing campaign and doesn't detract from the fact that he has close ties to known gang members and committed several NCAA violations which may end up costing USC a national championship or two. There isn't much (if any) money coming out of Leon's pockets.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
We only got one more draft pick to sign and I'm happy with that. Other draft picks mentioned in this thread are not Texans!! Greedstar or not, who cares.
At least, we have our draft picks ready for TC and that I care.
At least, we have our draft picks ready for TC and that I care.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Agreed with the dominos....Believe brick will be the first domino to fall. Bush will be the last. He "should" of been #1 overall. We'll see. Have we inked Spencer & Winston yet ?TheOgre said:
Texizgreat
Waterboy
waiting on Winston
Numbskull
Noob
NoBullTexan said:
Oh, so we're going to quote the media and speaking it like gospel are we? I believe you are quoting profootballtalk, no less. I'll have at crack at it then....
That also has a resonant ring to it.
Its very selfish in my opinion to portray his charity into some sort of coverup scheme. Its good press, but I don't see Mario Williams or any other 1st round draft pick spending thousands of dollars to help New Orleans or their own communities for that matter. Do you think that the school for the handicapped cares that he got good press for helping save their school? Hell no, he's a savior to them and is making a difference in the community. Your angle is incredibly transparent; it is a twisted, grudging, and bitter perspective.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Actually, Vince Young and Mario Williams have gone to schools to give out money and talk, but Bush is the one with the press...It's like tobacco companies that donate hundreds of dollars to charities and spend millions advertising their act.Numbskull said:Oh, so we're going to quote the media and speaking it like gospel are we? I believe you are quoting profootballtalk, no less. I'll have at crack at it then....
That also has a resonant ring to it.
As for using philanthropy as a marketing campaign, thats just BS. Its good press, but I don't see Mario Williams or any other 1st round draft pick spending thousands of dollars to help New Orleans or their own communities for that matter. Do you think that the school for the handicapped cares that he got good press for helping save their school? Hell no, he's a savior to them and thats the point of the money.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Numbskull said:
Wonger and I have shared these thoughts in the past. I don't see Reggie spending thousands of dollars to help Houston take care of the quarter of a million mostly dead beat New Orleans transplants most of whom are still on welfare..............by the way, in light of his potential anticipated income, those dollars will fare well when they are deducted at tax time. In fact, I would not be surprised, if he would exceed his "charitable" contribution deduction, that he would write the rest off as "PR expenses."
Your line of thought reminds me of what James Michener once wrote: "An age is called Dark, not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it."
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mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Yes. Exactly. Just what I meant. Great Analysis.Numbskull said:
LBC_Justin
Rookie
A few of Reggie Bush's sponsors are ponying up the donation dollars to protect their huge investment in Reggie, they need him to come accross as a golden boy. He took a big hit after the housing scandal and then the fact that he didn't go with the #1 pick to a big market team and instead ended up in probably the worst possible market for advertising. Low population, Low Income....not a good combination.Numbskull said:
Personally I could care less how well Reggie does. As soon as we didn't call his name and he went to the NFC he became a "non-factor" in my book. I hope he does just fine. In fact I hope the Saints beat the snot out of every AFC team they play. It can only help the Texans.
I don't think that Texan fans are jealous of New Orleans for getting Reggie Bush. Our guys said....."No Thanks, well take Mario".
BTW I was also shocked to hear that not a single team attempted to trade up to get Reggie Bush when he dropped to #2, and that contrary popular believe the Saints were not jumping for joy when the Texans signed Mario. They had their eye on that prize and knew first hand what a freakish DE can do after face Julius Peppers twice a year. (This was derived from Interviews on Sirius NFL radio with several members of the Saints staff.)
South Texan
Waterboy
I agree with those that think our defense was more in need of the high picks rather than the offense.
I strongly feel that Mario, directly or indirectly, will cause turnovers, more 3 and outs, and get our offense on the field more often.
I think management guessed right that at least 1 good lineman would still be around by our third pick. (We got lucky that there were 2 available.)
Every indication is that Reggie and Vince Young will have great careers, but Reggie's style is not what we need in our new system, and right or wrong the Front Office still has faith in Carr's potential.
What excites me most about Mario, is that he seems to have most desire of all three of the top picks to prove himself, and the talent to do it.
And on a lighter note, Anyone else think DE's will be compared to Mario instead of Peppers in the years to come??
I strongly feel that Mario, directly or indirectly, will cause turnovers, more 3 and outs, and get our offense on the field more often.
I think management guessed right that at least 1 good lineman would still be around by our third pick. (We got lucky that there were 2 available.)
Every indication is that Reggie and Vince Young will have great careers, but Reggie's style is not what we need in our new system, and right or wrong the Front Office still has faith in Carr's potential.
What excites me most about Mario, is that he seems to have most desire of all three of the top picks to prove himself, and the talent to do it.
And on a lighter note, Anyone else think DE's will be compared to Mario instead of Peppers in the years to come??
blockhead83
Rookie
Numbskull said:
Whereas real intellectuals troll internet message boards to ensure nobody offers anything but a glowing supposition about their new found hero.
Don't worry.....Numbskull...., there are plenty of 'Nawlins fans already policing our threads to let us know the extent of buyer's remorse we should be feeling after passing on your boy.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Numbskull said:Nice quote, I mean.. Great job trying to discredit me by using James Michener. He's a wise man. Your line of thought reminds me of what Dr. Seus once wrote: "Today was good. Today was fun. Tomorrow is another one."
[Insults deleted--infantrycak]
My, my.........we have to resort to name calling............Did you have to look up who James Michener was?
Numbskull
Noob
CloakNNNdagger said:
Wikipedia... He was a writer... a Texan.... A fan of UT Women's Basketball... wrote a bunch of books....
It wasn't much an insult.... Just said that quoting a vague statement by a dead writer was pretty unoriginal and lazy for an educated person like yourself. Tell me how you really feel in your own words about my forced ignorant perspective...
Numbskull said:
Sure, he's given a nice chunk to the community to give the illusions that he's a great guy.
But in football you're only a great guy as a rookie if you don't have hold-out potential.
Bush has holdout written all over him.
Viva La Mario Williams who WILL BE in camp on time...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Numbskull said:
Consider the insults and above misrepresentation of what you oiginally wrote (which our moderator INFANTRYCAK appropriately deleted) putting an end to this "conversation."
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
CloakNNNdagger said:
The conversation was over before it began. I pity the troll.
I would like to see both VY and RB do well, so long as they are both destroyed by Mario when the Texans play them. I liked RB before, but I agree that he is doing a bad thing down there in New Orleans. That truely is a pity.
As for Vince.... I never really liked him, and I think he will never be able to adjust to a real offense and become a drop back pocket passer more than a "one progression" passer. I think he had a chance with McNair as a mentor... but I guess that's the name of the game (at least for Dud Adams). He screwed himself over trying to spite Houston.
P.S.- This RB thing may be the prelude to a much larger situation where the Saints move to LA. I really think that it may happen soon, if LA can get the ball rolling (new stadium?).
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
BroussardSaint said:
Sure there may have been some offers, but no team offered anything the Texans thought worthwhile to take a lesser player. Texans trade out for someone moving up for Bush and NO takes Mario. TN was set on a QB. The Texans would have had to move down to 4 or below--that's an approximate value of getting the #12 pick in the 1st round of this draft or an even higher one next year. Getting a 2nd or 3rd or even both doesn't come close to the same value so accepting that would only make sense if the team felt the talent of the player they would get there was essentially the same--something they obviously did not believe was the case. The closest thing to false going on with this issue is armchair GM's assuming facts and second guessing.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Sorry, saw it on TV. I do know however, that some of the homers were PO'd that Vince Young was wearing a Titans jersey when he visited the school, which happened to be in Houston. If you check the draft discussions, you should find them, but...just take my word for it.BroussardSaint said:
Is it legal to say that?SAMURAITEXAN said:
Exactly! I have to agree with you SAMURAI on this. I don't care about who other teams drafted and if they are signed or not! I wish Bush and Young the best (except when they play us of course), but it's time to "stop feeding the trolls!" I'm more interested in our team and what they are doing.
I think it's going to be an exciting season!
Numbskull
Noob
TexansLucky13 said:
What are you talking about? I still do not understand how charity is a bad thing. The NCAA deal is a non-issue with the Saints. On our MB, it hasn't come up as a topic of discussion in weeks... He's done nothing but excite the fans in New Orleans and show that he's willing to make a difference both on and off the field. The only reason we don't have 10 relocation threads on the front page of our board is because of the excitement he and the new regime have brought in (Drew Brees, Sean Payton, etc.). He's been a becon of hope for the "new" New Orleans. With half of the city's population MIA, the Superdome will be sold out through season tickets alone for the first time in the 31 years they have played there. Its not all Reggie, but he's part of the excitement for a city which desperately needs something to smile about.
edo783
Hall of Fame
Numbskull said:
And I supose the fact that his family took ~300K of money from a known gangster and southern cal gang leader (not gangsta raper or anything) LLoyd Lakes wouldn't bother anyone either. Lakes is a background member of the sports rep firm that the house and money came from and he was the one funding the firm. IMO, that is the real reason why the Texans dropped RB like a hot potatoe the Tuesday befor the draft. I doubt the Texans were real happy about the way he and his agent were acting and the NCAA thing, but when they found out about Lake they dropped him in a heartbeat. Check the San Diego newspaper about Lakes. He was just recently sent to prison on an unrelated charge.