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The Nnamdi Asomugha Thread

Prisco says the Texans made a late offer to Weddle but Jacksonville never got into the running. Glad we missed out on that one. He got crazy money.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
I'm a Braves fan....yep. That was the biggest bullshit I've ever seen in my life.
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It's a bit disheartening that this play is the only one getting attention, despite his horrendous strike zone the entire night (that resulted in the ejection of McClouth and Gonzales).

Pirates weren't the only ones that got jobbed in that game.
 
I have to admit, I thought all it would take to get Nnamdi is the most money. Looks like that might not be the case. It's only fitting that the only time the Texans decide to spend top dollar on an elite player it just so happens that he is one of the only guys in the league that isn't completely motivated by money.
 
DX-TEX said:
Ok a couple interesting tweets from Lance Z:





Second one was when asked if the Texans were making a legit offer to Aso.
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I posted the cap savings on these guys days ago. Not bragging just glad Lance agrees. BTW there are more savings available on other players.
 
DX-TEX said:
Ok a couple interesting tweets from Lance Z:





Second one was when asked if the Texans were making a legit offer to Aso.
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Interesting stuff really. I can only hope it's true, but I doubt we'll ever really know if he's not signed.
 
Per Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reports that the Jets are prepared to pay free agent Nnamdi Asomugha $12 million a year.

The question is whether that will cut it for Asomugha, who at the start of free agency was rumored to be commanding upwards of $20 million per season. In the story linked below, SI's Peter King insists, "If you don't think Rex Ryan is pushing for this, you're crazy." The Jets, for now, look to be the front-runners for Asomugha. But the 49ers are pushing hard according to multiple reports, and the Texans look to still have some interest.
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So the Texans have to offer 15 million or so?

Too high IMO.
 
HTown2ATX said:
Have to disagree. Plenty of fat can be cut from this team to make $$ avail.
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where? There is nobody on the Texans team that is getting "overpaid" to cut and won't hurt the cap. They still haven't even signed their draft picks yet. So if you cut some, it's gonna get sucked up by the rookie contracts....

Everybody making significant money on the Texans are all big players that are absolutely needs.

I would absolutely love to see Aso in a Texans uni, but reality is telling me they do not have the money. Hope I am wrong but I don't think I am.
 
badboy said:
I posted the cap savings on these guys days ago. Not bragging just glad Lance agrees. BTW there are omore savings available on other players.
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I think you may have brought up David Anderson too, another $1M? I like him a lot and think we need a player that fits that role but we've got a lot of receiving threats. Jeff Maehl could surpris people, plus Toliver plus Dickerson plus Jacoby plus Walter plus all our TEs.
 
Rey said:
I love how everyone is a cap expert.

No one really knows what teams can do to make the cap work.
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Kinda like how everyone is a better GM than the one getting paid professionally? nobody has to be an expert, just what has been reported and read. Texans do not have enough to sign Aso, from everything being reported and talked about on radio and net....

Robbing Peter to Pay Aso isn't a logical solution...IMO
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think you may have brought up David Anderson too, another $1M? I like him a lot and think we need a player that fits that role but we've got a lot of receiving threats. Jeff Maehl could surpris people, plus Toliver plus Dickerson plus Jacoby plus Walter plus all our TEs.
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We could keep six if we went with one fb this year and three te's.
 
Rey said:
I love how everyone is a cap expert.

No one really knows what teams can do to make the cap work.
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Re-structuring big contracts and cutting players that are due to make more money than they are worth are kind of it. Can also fenagle new contracts so that the big hits to the cap are done down the line (So that they don't hit at the same time as other big contracts).

The only thing the new CBA seemed to get rid of were the Tampa Bay and Cincinatti specials of putting huge bonuses in a contract with unattainable parameters (block 5 punts in a season, register a sack for offensive players, etc etc). The cap is also calculated at the end of the year this year, so you can sign whoever you want, play out the season and re-negotiate/cut players to get yourself there.

A good cap person can get almost any team under the cap it seems if we look at the last decade in the NFL.
 
b0ng said:
Re-structuring big contracts and cutting players that are due to make more money than they are worth are kind of it. Can also fenagle new contracts so that the big hits to the cap are done down the line (So that they don't hit at the same time as other big contracts).

The only thing the new CBA seemed to get rid of were the Tampa Bay and Cincinatti specials of putting huge bonuses in a contract with unattainable parameters (block 5 punts in a season, register a sack for offensive players, etc etc). The cap is also calculated at the end of the year this year, so you can sign whoever you want, play out the season and re-negotiate/cut players to get yourself there.

A good cap person can get almost any team under the cap it seems if we look at the last decade in the NFL.
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Do we believe the Texans have this person in the FO? I don't...
 
Alright, so if the Jets sign him for the supposed 12 mil/year and factoring in their discount (given their New York location, Revis, and winning organization), will you blame the Texans?

Or would you just chalk this up to the Jets making an irresistible offer?
 
BullNation4Life said:
Kinda like how everyone is a better GM than the one getting paid professionally? nobody has to be an expert, just what has been reported and read. Texans do not have enough to sign Aso, from everything being reported and talked about on radio and net....
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Knowing whether or not a team can manipulate the cap to fit their needs is not even close to recognizing when a gm has done a poor job bringing talent in.

Sure the texans don't have enough to sign aso. That's why they are pursuing him. . Cuz they don't have the money to sign him.

If that's the case the gm and organization is worse than I thought.
 
Rey said:
Knowing whether it not a team can manipulate the cap to fit their needs is not even close to recognizing when a gm has done a poor job bringing talent in.

Sure the texans don't have enough to sign aso. That's why they are pursuing him. . Cuz they don't have the money to sign him.

If that's the case the gm and organization is worse than I thought.
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Are they? I have yet to read anything saying they are actually pursuing Aso at this moment. All I have read is the Jets. Maybe they are keeping it close to the vest, don't understand why, but I don't think they are pursuing Aso, I think they have already ran the numbers and are looking for other options... Like I said JMO....
 
b0ng said:
I don't either, but it is most certainly possible to do, even if your team is terrible (Redskins, Raiders).
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Oh I agree that it is possible to do, the Patriots, Steelers and a number of other teams have proven their model works. I just have little faith in the Texans FO to be able to really sit down and find the money it would take to launch this team into contention....

I mean have they ever given you or I any reason to think they could do so?
 
BullNation4Life said:
Oh I agree that it is possible to do, the Patriots, Steelers and a number of other teams have proven their model works. I just have little faith in the Texans FO to be able to really sit down and find the money it would take to launch this team into contention....

I mean have they ever given you or I any reason to think they could do so?
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This is basically what I was saying earlier. That was misunderstood maybe?
 
b0ng said:
A good cap person can get almost any team under the cap it seems if we look at the last decade in the NFL.
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BullNation4Life said:
Do we believe the Texans have this person in the FO? I don't...
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Chris Olsen enters his fourth season with the Texans and first as the team’s vice president of football administration. He spent 13 years working at the NFL league office in New York. Olsen’s primary responsibility with the Texans is to work closely with general manager Rick Smith on negotiating player contracts and managing the salary cap.

Olsen served as the manager of labor operations with the NFL Management Council from 1999-2006. He was responsible for reviewing and analyzing player contracts to ensure teams were in compliance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) and salary cap. He provided assistance to club executives pertaining to player-related areas of the CBA. He also served as a League liaison to the NFL Players Association regarding player contract matters.
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I don't know... but I think we're alright. Have we had serious problems with our cap situations historically? I don't know what all the fuss is about.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/staff/chris-olsen/60032eb8-d2f1-471d-9902-4842f91a411d
 
HTown2ATX said:
This is basically what I was saying earlier. That was misunderstood maybe?
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And this is the damn shame of it all. Other teams shoot for the moon and if they miss, they are still amongst the stars....

The Texans FO shoots for the upper atmosphere and tend to land flat on their faces back on Earth....
 
BullNation4Life said:
Oh I agree that it is possible to do, the Patriots, Steelers and a number of other teams have proven their model works. I just have little faith in the Texans FO to be able to really sit down and find the money it would take to launch this team into contention....

I mean have they ever given you or I any reason to think they could do so?
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Pats and the Steelers aren't really known for going out and signing FA's to gazillion dollar contracts.

To be fair, when they said they were going to go after a DE in the '09 season, they did go out and get the best DE that didn't get franchised and paid him maybe a tad more than what he was worth.

I don't think it totally absolves them for not getting any playmakers in '10 but this would be the time for redemption with how chock full this FA class is, and how much other teams are having to cut just to get under the cap.
 
Chris Olsen had every players contract in the NFL hit his desk for 13 years, I'd say we definitley have the right person.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think you may have brought up David Anderson too, another $1M? I like him a lot and think we need a player that fits that role but we've got a lot of receiving threats. Jeff Maehl could surpris people, plus Toliver plus Dickerson plus Jacoby plus Walter plus all our TEs.
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$1.44 in his last year.2011: $1.44 million, 2012: Free Agent

Andre Davis $3.45m

Now that JJ has re-signed do we need either of these guys. I want to see more of Dorian Dickerson.
 
I still feel like my theory from last night may hold true. Texans have a deal with Aso and his agent is using these teams as leverage to get more. Seems now the max the Jets can give him is 12 million a year. Now Aso's agent goes to the Texans and says beat this.
 
badboy said:
$1.44 in his last year.2011: $1.44 million, 2012: Free Agent

Andre Davis $3.45m

Now that JJ has re-signed do we need either of these guys. I want to see more of Dorian Dickerson.
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Davis was cut some time ago and should be off the cap this year as far as I know.
 
DX-TEX said:
I still feel like my theory from last night may hold true. Texans have a deal with Aso and his agent is using these teams as leverage to get more. Seems now the max the Jets can give him is 12 million a year. Now Aso's agent goes to the Texans and says beat this.
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It makes sense considering we haven't been connected to any other corners.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Are they? I have yet to read anything saying they are actually pursuing Aso at this moment. All I have read is the Jets. Maybe they are keeping it close to the vest, don't understand why, but I don't think they are pursuing Aso, I think they have already ran the numbers and are looking for other options... Like I said JMO....
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I've read a lot of things saying they're actively pursuing Aso. And they made an offer to Weddle, too.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Do we believe the Texans have this person in the FO? I don't...
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Yes we do, Chris Olsen was hired directly from NFL and has used his knowledge to get Texans out of bad contracts and has reduce dead money to about $23,000 this season. He works with Smith on structuring contracts.
 
BullNation4Life said:
This is all well and good, but if the Texans do not have the money to offer 15-16 mil there is nothing to be done. Everything I have read was Texans were 118 mil against a 120-125mil cap. So who do you cut? where do you free the money to sign Aso? I don't see it happening. I see Aso going to one of those teams that needs to spend alot of money to just get within the salary cap.

If the Jets are going to pursue Aso, they are going to have to cut some significant money. I've read they are already sitting up against 120 mil...

guess we'll have to wit and see
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Or instead of saving cash you can throw 5.5 mil at Leinart.
 
Anybody else wonder if all this posturing from the Jets is aimed at getting Cromartie to sign on the dotted line without testing the market too much.

Overrated or not Cromartie is a pretty good #2 CB.

In a similar vein we just went out and signed a bunch of promising UDFA WR's and stoked a bit of chatter about Plax before re-signing JJ to a reasonable deal, sure you could look at the Full Back situation in a similar way, just whether or not Leach Re-up's remains to be seen.

Or am I clutching at straws?
 
Dutchrudder said:
Davis was cut some time ago and should be off the cap this year as far as I know.
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But off what number? The $120m or the last known list of roster salaries (2010)? Hard to find out what the 2011 player money is. My research shows 2010 roster was $92,947,804 with Davis, E. Wilson and Jacques Reeves included. These three total a bit over $10m
 
DX-TEX said:
I still feel like my theory from last night may hold true. Texans have a deal with Aso and his agent is using these teams as leverage to get more. Seems now the max the Jets can give him is 12 million a year. Now Aso's agent goes to the Texans and says beat this.
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Isn't it more likely that the opposite is true- i.e. that the agent would use a desperate team's (Texans) superior offer as leverage to get a better deal from his preferred destination (NYJ)?
 
welsh texan said:
Anybody else wonder if all this posturing from the Jets is aimed at getting Cromartie to sign on the dotted line without testing the market too much.

Overrated or not Cromartie is a pretty good #2 CB.

In a similar vein we just went out and signed a bunch of promising UDFA WR's and stoked a bit of chatter about Plax before re-signing JJ to a reasonable deal, sure you could look at the Full Back situation in a similar way, just whether or not Leach Re-up's remains to be seen.

Or am I clutching at straws?
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Possible scenario.
 
markn said:
Isn't it more likely that the opposite is true- i.e. that the agent would use a desperate team's (Texans) superior offer as leverage to get a better deal from his preferred destination (NYJ)?
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Go back tpo last nights posts around midnight. We discussed that scenario as well and its a crazy theory but it does have some reports that help to reinforce it.
 
DX-TEX said:
Or you have a deal done with Aso and have already accounted for his money.....
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I hope you are right. I signed up for Google Alerts for anything Aso or Houston Texan related. Everytime my BlackBerry goes off I get all excited.

Aso would be great, but I'll tae Joseph and Sensabaugh. If we can land one of these CB's and a solid Safety I will be giddy about this year!!!!

Its time to make a run, AJ deserves a shot at the SB, we can't do to AJ what we did to Earl Campbell.
 
I hate to be a downer, but I just don't see ASO coming here. Quality F/A use our team as a way to get better bids from the teams they WANT to play with. I don't remember the Fat Albert or the Peppers signing being much of a secret or any hessitation on their press release.

I'd love to have ASO and be the talk of the NFL media for something other than rosencopter or the hail mary in Jax, but I think people are getting themselves worked up for a big let down.
 
euro-Texan said:
I hate to be a downer, but I just don't see ASO coming here. Quality F/A use our team as a way to get better bids from the teams they WANT to play with. I don't remember the Fat Albert or the Peppers signing being much of a secret or any hessitation on their press release.

I'd love to have ASO and be the talk of the NFL media for something other than rosencopter or the hail mary in Jax, but I think people are getting themselves worked up for a big let down.
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No one saw Haynesworth coming.
 
euro-Texan said:
I hate to be a downer, but I just don't see ASO coming here. Quality F/A use our team as a way to get better bids from the teams they WANT to play with. I don't remember the Fat Albert or the Peppers signing being much of a secret or any hessitation on their press release.

I'd love to have ASO and be the talk of the NFL media for something other than rosencopter or the hail mary in Jax, but I think people are getting themselves worked up for a big let down.
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That's why i refuse. I'm going to the gym and getting my Arian Foster on in Yoga. Severe stress relief. Hopefully all this nonsense is over when i get back.
 
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