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The Nnamdi Asomugha Thread

Cjeremy635 said:
It's all over but the cryin' folks. I just can't see him choosing us over the Jets. Defensive players love Rex and that is a big market. You pair him with Revis and that is a sick tandem, the sickest in the league.
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Take that same money and get two competent players. That's not to say that I wouldn't love to score Aso, but he's already stated (or his agent) that he would take less money to be with a contender.... The Texans, as much as I hate to admit aren't that team....
 
DX-TEX said:
I still dont get how the Jets can sign him, even for a tad less than what is expected, with all their own FA's they have to sign. Are they going to completely compromise their offense for ONE CB?
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Rex is of the "defense wins championships" mentality. Their defense was already one of the best in the league, you add Nnamdi and I don't think anyone puts over 10 points a game on them. I could be wrong, but where are you gonna throw? It would be hard to beat 2 shut down corners.
 
Don't think that Jets thing means much. Just more speculation. Plus, the Jets still need to sign Holmes and Edwards. The Texans' biggest competition is the Ravens, IMO. Since Houston is in a weaker division, and Nnamdi's position is our biggest weakness (plus one of his good friends is already on the team), maybe he'll come here. There is some hope.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Don't think that Jets thing means much. Just more speculation. Plus, the Jets still need to sign Holmes and Edwards. The Texans' biggest competition is the Ravens, IMO. Since Houston is in a weaker division, and Nnamdi's position is our biggest weakness (plus one of his good friends is already on the team), maybe he'll come here. There is some hope.
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That and Baltimore plans to re-sign their guys, might not want to commit that much to the CB spot.
 
Doppelganger said:
The other thing to consider is the Jets had trouble generating a pass rush without blitzing. That was when they had Ellis. If they bank on rooks and lower level FAs to supply the pass rush, not even a duo of Nmandi and Revis will save them from teams exploiting holes in the middle of the field.
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The more I think about it, the more I think something is afoot.

1) Aso gives a list of teams to his agent he would like to play for, Houston being one.
2) Lots of talk that Houston would go after him fast and quick. Most insiders were saying the Texans were going to sign him. Mike Francessa said last week it "was the worst kept secret in the NFL" that Aso was gong to Houston. Make him a good offer today.
3) Agent leaks news that the Jets are interested, even though no one can expalin how they can afford it. Use these rumors get Houston to sweeten the deal just a tad more.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Rex is of the "defense wins championships" mentality. Their defense was already one of the best in the league, you add Nnamdi and I don't think anyone puts over 10 points a game on them. I could be wrong, but where are you gonna throw? It would be hard to beat 2 shut down corners.
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You take away Holmes and they might not score 10 points on anyone all year either...

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Anyone else see Tampa bowing out as a really good sign? Drives the price down at the very least. We may just be the last team standing.
 
Doppelganger said:
Why San Francisco? haven't heard that rumor before.
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Well they need a cornerback, they have Nate Clements but his salary is pretty huge and his play doesn't really merit the kind of money he will be making imo. Nmamdi gets to stay in the west coast in beautiful San Fran. The 49ers play in probably the weakest division in the league and they have a good shot at making a playoff run.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Rex is of the "defense wins championships" mentality. Their defense was already one of the best in the league, you add Nnamdi and I don't think anyone puts over 10 points a game on them. I could be wrong, but where are you gonna throw? It would be hard to beat 2 shut down corners.
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Who's gonna cover the TE's and RB's? WCO was built to defeat this kind of D setup. Put OD and Dreesen on the field in a single back set and they can't cover everyone AND defend the run.
IMO, your best bet on D is to take away 1/2 the field and roll help to the other 1/2 and disguise your coverage as best as possible to bait the QB into throwing to the latter 1/2. That gets into 76Texan's theory of safeties being more of a factor than a CB. An exceptional safety can read the QB's eyes and take appropriate action. Of course, I may be full of it, too.
 
Only thing is, if you take away the first read, such as Reggie Wayne, that gives our DL & LB's just that extra little bit of time to get to Peyton, and that could be all she wrote. Besides that it gives you the chance to scheme up a plan to handle the other 5, or however many receivers he might have, especially Dallas Clark. I like it, and devoutly hope we sign Aso.
 
According to MLive.com's Tom Kowalski, free agent Nnamdi Asomugha wants to play for the Jets.

Kowalski is a Lions reporter, but he's presumably done digging on Asomugha because Detroit has so often been connected to this year's premier free agent. That digging apparently led Kowalski to believe Asomugha wants to play in New York. There have been several other indications this is the case, so it isn't a crazy notion. If Asomugha is willing to take a discount to play in the destination he covets, the marriage could very well happen
http://twitter.com/#!/TomKowalski36/statuses/96029259138740224
 
Nawzer said:
Well they need a cornerback, they have Nate Clements but his salary is pretty huge and his play doesn't really merit the kind of money he will be making imo. Nmamdi gets to stay in the west coast in beautiful San Fran. The 49ers play in probably the weakest division in the league and they have a good shot at making a playoff run.
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Interesting. Can they afford both Clements and Aso? Yes, SF is in a weak Division but for how long? St Louis is on the way up. If Arizona gets a QB and they look to get Kolb, they are they are the team to beat. Plus, Seattle won the division last time and Ol Pete has some tricks up his sleeve.

I could see the NFC West getting real tight in a year or two.
 
HoustonSportsFan09 said:
According to MLive.com's Tom Kowalski, free agent Nnamdi Asomugha wants to play for the Jets.

Kowalski is a Lions reporter, but he's presumably done digging on Asomugha because Detroit has so often been connected to this year's premier free agent. That digging apparently led Kowalski to believe Asomugha wants to play in New York. There have been several other indications this is the case, so it isn't a crazy notion. If Asomugha is willing to take a discount to play in the destination he covets, the marriage could very well happen
http://twitter.com/#!/TomKowalski36/statuses/96029259138740224
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Everyone seems to be repeating the same rumor. Question is how much of a discount is he willing to take? If its a couple of mill a year, maybe. If its like 5+ maybe not.
 
I honestly don't care if we sign him or not. My biggest fear is that we miss the boat on other players because we invest too much time into chasing a pipe dream. I'd rather have a known quantity than nothing at all. There are still good players out there that can help us get going in the right direction. We could get a couple of good players for Aso's contract amount. At some point you have to fold and move on to the next hand.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
I honestly don't care if we sign him or not. My biggest fear is that we miss the boat on other players because we invest too much time into chasing a pipe dream. I'd rather have a known quantity than nothing at all. There are still good players out there that can help us get going in the right direction. We could get a couple of good players for Aso's contract amount. At some point you have to fold and move on to the next hand.
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I think most of the second tier CBs are waiting on Aso to use his contract as a benchmark.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
I honestly don't care if we sign him or not. My biggest fear is that we miss the boat on other players because we invest too much time into chasing a pipe dream. I'd rather have a known quantity than nothing at all. There are still good players out there that can help us get going in the right direction. We could get a couple of good players for Aso's contract amount. At some point you have to fold and move on to the next hand.
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Agree 100%. Texans must have a point, IMO tomorrow, where they say this is the best we can do. Take it or leave it. then move on to J Joseph.
 
Doppelganger said:
Interesting. Can they afford both Clements and Aso? Yes, SF is in a weak Division but for how long? St Louis is on the way up. If Arizona gets a QB and they look to get Kolb, they are they are the team to beat. Plus, Seattle won the division last time and Ol Pete has some tricks up his sleeve.

I could see the NFC West getting real tight in a year or two.
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I think I read on espn.com last week that the 49ers may cut Clements or re-structure his contract. I'm not saying the 49ers are the favorites, but don't count them out. All those teams have potential but I think with the defense that the Niners have with Patrick Willis and Co., they should be a good enough team to make it to the playoffs.
 
I can't believe people still think that the Texans were ever going to lay down the scratch to get Aso. Bob doesn't have it in him and Rick Smith has no clue how to pull off a deal and sell a player like that.

I don't know if the the Jets will get him. I sure as hell hope not, because that would be the scariest secondary I've ever seen in any era of the NFL. One thing is for sure though is that Rex Ryan knows how to sell his franchise to players around the league. He has confidence and moxy and he's been able to build more of a winning culture there in just two seasons than what Smithiak has in five. If the Jets can pull the funds together to sign this guy (I don't see how it's possible), then the Texans would be an after thought even if we paid him more because the Texans don't have anyone in this organization that can sell a winning future other than AJ or Cushing and they are just players like a thousand others in the league.

I just hope that Aso doesn't end in NY and ends up somewhere in the NFC. Smith doesn't know how to sign players like these when they have multiple suitors.
 
Nawzer said:
I think I read on espn.com last week that the 49ers may cut Clements or re-structure his contract. I'm not saying the 49ers are the favorites, but don't count them out. All those teams have potential but I think with the defense that the Niners have with Patrick Willis and Co., they should be a good enough team to make it to the playoffs.
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I think QB play dictates who wins that division.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
I honestly don't care if we sign him or not. My biggest fear is that we miss the boat on other players because we invest too much time into chasing a pipe dream. I'd rather have a known quantity than nothing at all. There are still good players out there that can help us get going in the right direction. We could get a couple of good players for Aso's contract amount. At some point you have to fold and move on to the next hand.
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How can you get a more known quantity than Aso? What other player, at a position of desperate need, comes close to Aso? You honestly don't care? Sounds like a case of premature sour grapes to me. Is premature sour grapes redundant?
 
Texecutioner said:
I can't believe people still think that the Texans were ever going to lay down the scratch to get Aso. Bob doesn't have it in him and Rick Smith has no clue how to pull off a deal and sell a player like that.

I don't know if the the Jets will get him. I sure as hell hope not, because that would be the scariest secondary I've ever seen in any era of the NFL. One thing is for sure though is that Rex Ryan knows how to sell his franchise to players around the league. He has confidence and moxy and he's been able to build more of a winning culture there in just two seasons than what Smithiak has in five. If the Jets can pull the funds together to sign this guy (I don't see how it's possible), then the Texans would be an after thought even if we paid him more because the Texans don't have anyone in this organization that can sell a winning future other than AJ or Cushing and they are just players like a thousand others in the league.

I just hope that Aso doesn't end in NY and ends up somewhere in the NFC. Smith doesn't know how to sign players like these when they have multiple suitors.
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Why are you typing in the past tense? Has Aso agreed to terms somewhere or eliminated the Texans from the running? You need a Happy Meal. :smooch:
 
DocBar said:
Why are you typing in the past tense? Has Aso agreed to terms somewhere or eliminated the Texans from the running? You need a Happy Meal. :smooch:
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We don't have a competent GM that knows how to pull off a deal on a marquee player of Aso's caliber that has several suitors. It's that simple.
 
DocBar said:
How can you get a more known quantity than Aso? What other player, at a position of desperate need, comes close to Aso? You honestly don't care? Sounds like a case of premature sour grapes to me. Is premature sour grapes redundant?
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Do I think he can help us? Hell yeah I do. Do I think we're one CB away from the superbowl? Nope. I think there are too many positions of need on defense to invest it all in one player. Having said that, I wouldn't be upset if we did sign him. I think that there are pros and cons to both scenarios.
 
Texecutioner said:
We don't have a competent GM that knows how to pull off a deal on a marquee player of Aso's caliber that has several suitors. It's that simple.
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Antonio was the #1 rated DE available in FA the year we got him.

To be fair can you name any other players of Aso's caliber that have even come on the market for FA since Smith has been GM?
 
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Jets' interest in Nnamdi Asomugha (and a dream pairing with Revis) is real interesting. Remember, Nnamdi played 5 yrs for Rex's brother Rob. I do think this about Nnamdi -- Winning is important this time around. And I believe he'd sacrifice some money for the right situation.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Do I think he can help us? Hell yeah I do. Do I think we're one CB away from the superbowl? Nope. I think there are too many positions of need on defense to invest it all in one player. Having said that, I wouldn't be upset if we did sign him. I think that there are pros and cons to both scenarios.
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What do you think our many positions of need are? I can think of 2 "need" positions. CB and S. We could use LB depth as well.
EDIT: Signing Aso will significantly reduce our need at S.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Do I think he can help us? Hell yeah I do. Do I think we're one CB away from the superbowl? Nope. I think there are too many positions of need on defense to invest it all in one player. Having said that, I wouldn't be upset if we did sign him. I think that there are pros and cons to both scenarios.
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I think the psychological impact is understated. Front 7 know that Aso would lock down one side of the field. The other DBs know they don't need to help him. Having Aso puts their minds to rest.

Also, having Aso fires up the team even more becuase its a sign from ownership that they will do ANYTHING to win.
 
Doppelganger said:
Antonio was the #1 rated DE available in FA the year we got him.

To be fair can you name any other players of Aso's caliber that have even come on the market for FA since Smith has been GM?
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You're trying to use Antonio Smith as an example that Smith can pull off a high caliber player that's being targeted by several teams? Lol!

That's funny.
 
DocBar said:
What do you think our many positions of need are? I can think of 2 "need" positions. CB and S. We could use LB depth as well.
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Each and every single one!!! C'mon man!!! We ALSO need LBs, Nose, WR, FB, OL, KR, punter.... that's just for starters.

Nnamdi's a pipe dream. We can't afford him...
 
I wonder if the Texans potential participation in Hard Knocks could have been leveraged as added value in bringing Aso in.
 
NitroGSXR said:
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Each and every single one!!! C'mon man!!! We ALSO need LBs, Nose, WR, FB, OL, KR, punter.... that's just for starters.

Nnamdi's a pipe dream. We can't afford him...
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Really? We have a very good WR corps, our OL is very good, with some depth, A little guy named Holliday is supposed to be one helluva kick returner(injured last season), Phillips says he's happy with our NT personnel. I agree we need LB help, but who would you sign as a FA that commands enough $$ to torpedo signing Aso? What on earth do you mean we need a punter? Besides, a punter is gonna screw the salary cap? Are we signing Janakowski? C'mon man yourself.
 
DocBar said:
Really? We have a very good WR corps, our OL is very good, with some depth, A little guy named Holliday is supposed to be one helluva kick returner(injured last season), Phillips says he's happy with our NT personnel. I agree we need LB help, but who would you sign as a FA that commands enough $$ to torpedo signing Aso? What on earth do you mean we need a punter? Besides, a punter is gonna screw the salary cap? Are we signing Janakowski? C'mon man yourself.
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First off, we can do better at the #2 WR position. I like Walter, but he's not a huge threat and lacks that little bit of extra speed. I think he's clutch, but I still think an upgrade would help.
As far as Holliday goes, I wasn't impressed with him last preseason and I think the best thing that could gave happened to him was to get injured. I think he hesitated too much and looked a little scared. I wouldn't bank on him being a big contributor this year, but I hope I'm wrong.
 
Wow there sure is a ton of negativity in this thread.

We're in the first day of the most interesting FA period in my lifetime. Can you not wait until this all shakes out before you go slamming our GM, our coach and the franchise? Geez.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
First off, we can do better at the #2 WR position. I like Walter, but he's not a huge threat and lacks that little bit of extra speed. I think he's clutch, but I still think an upgrade would help.
As far as Holliday goes, I wasn't impressed with him last preseason and I think the best thing that could gave happened to him was to get injured. I think he hesitated too much and looked a little scared. I wouldn't bank on him being a big contributor this year, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Our offense isn't based on deep threats like Desean Jackson. It's possession, precision, blocking. You can upgrade the speed of WR2 and remove Walter, but there are very few other WRs in the league who do the things he does AND upgrade that speed.
 
Texecutioner said:
We don't have a competent GM that knows how to pull off a deal on a marquee player of Aso's caliber that has several suitors. It's that simple.
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This could possibly be true. Certainly, I can offer no evidence to the contrary. Personally, I don't think that is a very important quality in an NFL GM. I'll take a GM that can draft well and has an eye for talent, rather than one whose greatest asset is getting the guy that everyone agrees is the best player at his position.

Unfortunately, Smith's draft record is mixed and a number of the team's personnel decisions have been questionable to say the least. So, even though I still have some hope, I can't make a strong argument that Rick Smith is a very competent GM. And, I'm terrified the Texans are going to royally screw in free agency over the next ten days. I have hope, but zero confidence that they have properly prepared for the strange set of circumstances that the lockout has created.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
First off, we can do better at the #2 WR position. I like Walter, but he's not a huge threat and lacks that little bit of extra speed. I think he's clutch, but I still think an upgrade would help.
As far as Holliday goes, I wasn't impressed with him last preseason and I think the best thing that could gave happened to him was to get injured. I think he hesitated too much and looked a little scared. I wouldn't bank on him being a big contributor this year, but I hope I'm wrong.
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OK. You addressed two out of five positions you listed. We've had a top 4 passing O the last 3 seasons and you want to deep six Aso to improve that. What??? Are you nucking futs??? KR and PR guys are usually not huge FA signings. So tell me again about all the holes we need to fix? If we had Aso last season, we're talking our 2nd trip to the playoffs and winning the SB. Without Aso this season, we're talking about the '12 season as "our year". I'm sick of next year being "our year".
 
DocBar said:
OK. You addressed two out of five positions you listed. We've had a top 4 passing O the last 3 seasons and you want to deep six Aso to improve that. What??? Are you nucking futs??? KR and PR guys are usually not huge FA signings. So tell me again about all the holes we need to fix? If we had Aso last season, we're talking our 2nd trip to the playoffs and winning the SB. Without Aso this season, we're talking about the '12 season as "our year". I'm sick of next year being "our year".
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I don't know if frank bush would have known what to do if he had aso
 
FirstTexansFan said:
Even Aso can't overcome playing back ten yards from the line :)
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Maybe Aso would've freaked out the secondary like Pollard did by "disguising" his coverage. Or maybe he would've done what ge does best and coaches be damned. Pull it off and the coaches can;t ***** too much.
 
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