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The Nnamdi Asomugha Thread

badboy said:
I can't believe all those silly children believing in Santa Clause. It is just simply impossible for such a thing to happen and I can not wait until next Christmas so I can inform those who want to believe how silly they are. WHere would they be without me putting in my two cents?
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Watch out, or Bob McNair could be your Grinch...

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I'd be stoked if Aso signed with the Texans, without a doubt.

That being said, I'm certainly not going to be disappointed when it does not happen, simply because I try not to set myself up with unrealistic expectations. :winky:
 
Double Barrel said:
Watch out, or Bob McNair could be your Grinch...

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I'd be stoked if Aso signed with the Texans, without a doubt.

That being said, I'm certainly not going to be disappointed when it does not happen, simply because I try not to set myself up with unrealistic expectations. :winky:
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I will be disappointed as it will be a chance to get the top position player at a arguably most needed position for only money and no players or draft picks.
 
badboy said:
I will be disappointed as it will be a chance to get the top position player at a arguably most needed position for only money and no players or draft picks.
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Well, it takes two to tango. And we have no evidence that Aso wants to be a Texan. So McNair could offer him the moon, but if Aso is just not interested in Houston, then it won't happen. My expectations are tempered by the fact that we are the Texans.
 
b0ng said:
I've been reading a hell of a lot more about the Eagles and Aso than the Texans fwiw.
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This just shows how things go-I live in Eagle area and I have not heard anything about this. I also work with a group of HARDCORE Eagles fans and they would have let me know if this was looking true.
They've been more concerned with McNabb showing up at "training camp".
 
Texas T said:
This just shows how things go-I live in Eagle area and I have not heard anything about this. I also work with a group of HARDCORE Eagles fans and they would have let me know if this was looking true.
They've been more concerned with McNabb showing up at "training camp".
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What do you mean by this? Just an example?
 
Double Barrel said:
Well, it takes two to tango. And we have no evidence that Aso wants to be a Texan. So McNair could offer him the moon, but if Aso is just not interested in Houston, then it won't happen. My expectations are tempered by the fact that we are the Texans.

Ah, but no evidence that he does not want to be a Texan. If the info is true about AJ recruiting him... If he was dead set against, seems he would have snickered and told AJ "Quit clowning around, fool!"
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badboy said:
Ah, but no evidence that he does not want to be a Texan. If the info is true about AJ recruiting him... If he was dead set against, seems he would have snickered and told AJ "Quit clowning around, fool!"
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The more teams in the mix bidding for his services the better (for him). It wouldn't be wise for him to say that to AJ even if he's thinking it.
 
redwhiteANDblue said:
If this gets done I can't imagine what im going to do. Just imagine guys. Peyton will never be able to throw to reggie wayne again! :hurrah:
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I do not want them to outbid everyone for Nnambi! No way. We should avoid these sweepstakes and get a CB for half the money, that is 2 or 3 years younger, and not already preparing for his life after football!
 
dalemurphy said:
I do not want them to outbid everyone for Nnambi! No way. We should avoid these sweepstakes and get a CB for half the money, that is 2 or 3 years younger, and not already preparing for his life after football!
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As much as I would like Aso, I agree that no player is worth "breaking the bank" for unless he's a proven pro-bowl quarterback in his prime...And other than a once-in-a-decade chance, how often does that happen?

Most of these unbelievably expensive free agents usually fall well short of their pay more often than not.
 
dalemurphy said:
I do not want them to outbid everyone for Nnambi! No way. We should avoid these sweepstakes and get a CB for half the money, that is 2 or 3 years younger, and not already preparing for his life after football!
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Ordinarily I would agree with you. I think in this case Nnamdi is a must sign. This is one case that a free agent is worth what he gets. To this defense (especially with Phillips defense) the abilty to shut down half the field is incredible. He changes the entire game with one signing and he does it for 3-5 years.

Mike
 
dalemurphy said:
I do not want them to outbid everyone for Nnambi! No way. We should avoid these sweepstakes and get a CB for half the money, that is 2 or 3 years younger, and not already preparing for his life after football!
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What CB is going to even be near his level that only wants half? I'm genuinely curious on this.
 
I agree we should not spend all our money on Nnamdi like I said in a different thread and get other players but I mean if we get Nnamdi then how can you be dissapointed? Its pretty much like getting another Andre but for the defense
 
The Texans need to win THIS YEAR.They need to make the moves that makes them competitive NOW. We're all tired of waiting for "next year" and the best WR in the NFL isn't getting any younger. The time is now!
 
b0ng said:
What CB is going to even be near his level that only wants half? I'm genuinely curious on this.
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This free agent market is flooded, particularly at the CB position. I'm not sure which players will be the best bargains, only that the principles of supply and demand will ensure that some will be. We have never seen a market this loaded with young talent in the salary cap era. Here are some names for you:

Johnathan Joseph
Brent Grimes
Antonio Cromartie
Brandon Carr
Josh Wilson
Chris Carr
Richard Marshall
Kelly Jennings
Chris Houston
Eric Wright
Fabian Washington


and that list excludes the 30 and 31 year old FAs that will also be in market:

Drayton Florence
Carlos Rogers
Ike Taylor
Phillip Buchanan


I'm not saying that all those guys are great players. But, some are/will be very good and smart teams will have the opportunity to assess which ones will have the best value as the NFL moves through this truncated free agent process.
 
Stemp said:
The Texans need to win THIS YEAR.They need to make the moves that makes them competitive NOW. We're all tired of waiting for "next year" and the best WR in the NFL isn't getting any younger. The time is now!
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agree w/stemp. we owe this to Andre Johnson too as well as the fans :fans:
 
dalemurphy said:
I do not want them to outbid everyone for Nnambi! No way. We should avoid these sweepstakes and get a CB for half the money, that is 2 or 3 years younger, and not already preparing for his life after football!
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Yes, how DARE we actually make a bold move to become competitive!

We know you're fine with 6-10 and giving Gary and Rick a lifetime contract. Some of us, however, want a little bit more.
 
I'm sorry, but anything but the signing of Aso won't cut it for me, and no amount of reasoning will pacify me. I don't want a second tier player, it's time for this front office to step up and deliver.
 
redwhiteANDblue said:
I agree we should not spend all our money on Nnamdi like I said in a different thread and get other players but I mean if we get Nnamdi then how can you be dissapointed? Its pretty much like getting another Andre but for the defense
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There's a difference. Offensively, the Texans can scheme in a way that ensures Andre will be involved in the game and have an opportunity to make a lot of plays.

An opposing team, on a passing down, will often have 5 eligible receivers running routes. Nnambi will only be covering one of those five. Good offenses can scheme and work an offense in a way that minimizes the impact Nnambi will make. After all, consider how bad the Raiders defense has been the past four years while Nnambi has been, dominant, healthy, and in his prime.
 
dalemurphy said:
I do not want them to outbid everyone for Nnambi! No way. We should avoid these sweepstakes and get a CB for half the money, that is 2 or 3 years younger, and not already preparing for his life after football!
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You are so lost sometimes. He's not old, he's not going to break the bank, and how many times have we gone out and signed a cornerback who was half the price of someone like Aso? How's that worked out so far?

I don't understand the reluctance to go out and get the best possible solution to one of our biggest problems over the last decade. A great player is on the market at a position we need and we have the chance to get him for money. Not picks, not players, just money. What is wrong with Texans fans that they can't imagine a reality where the team pays big money for the closest thing to a free agent sure thing in memory? Someone is going to sign him and that team will still be able to field a roster of players at least as good as ours I promise you. That team will have money to sign rookie contracts and they'll be able to pick up street free agents during the season to fill holes. He'll be expensive but he isn't going to render your team incapable of operating.

In 3-4 years his contract will look like a bargain compared to what the top free agent CB costs (whoever that may be).
 
BetaV1 said:
As much as I would like Aso, I agree that no player is worth "breaking the bank" for unless he's a proven pro-bowl quarterback in his prime...And other than a once-in-a-decade chance, how often does that happen?

Most of these unbelievably expensive free agents usually fall well short of their pay more often than not.
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So a QB is worth breaking the bank for but the ability to take half the field away from that same QB is not worth it?

What if your secondary is absolutely terrible and you could go from the 30th secondary in the league to instantly an average secondary? This is the one player that you can probably add 3-5 wins to your total instantly. Seriously. Without any other changes to our defense last year, add Nnamdi and you are talking about a team that wins 9-11 games.

Mike
 
dalemurphy said:
This free agent market is flooded, particularly at the CB position. I'm not sure which players will be the best bargains, only that the principles of supply and demand will ensure that some will be. We have never seen a market this loaded with young talent in the salary cap era. Here are some names for you:

Johnathan Joseph
Brent Grimes
Antonio Cromartie
Brandon Carr
Josh Wilson
Chris Carr
Richard Marshall
Kelly Jennings
Chris Houston
Eric Wright
Fabian Washington


and that list excludes the 30 and 31 year old FAs that will also be in market:

Drayton Florence
Carlos Rogers
Ike Taylor
Phillip Buchanan


I'm not saying that all those guys are great players. But, some are/will be very good and smart teams will have the opportunity to assess which ones will have the best value as the NFL moves through this truncated free agent process.
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You tell me which of those guys are going to be anywhere near Nnamdi in talent, and will only want half. None of the guys on either of those lists qualify that I can see.
 
dalemurphy said:
This free agent market is flooded, particularly at the CB position. I'm not sure which players will be the best bargains, only that the principles of supply and demand will ensure that some will be. We have never seen a market this loaded with young talent in the salary cap era. Here are some names for you:

Johnathan Joseph
Brent Grimes
Antonio Cromartie
Brandon Carr
Josh Wilson
Chris Carr
Richard Marshall
Kelly Jennings
Chris Houston
Eric Wright
Fabian Washington


and that list excludes the 30 and 31 year old FAs that will also be in market:

Drayton Florence
Carlos Rogers
Ike Taylor
Phillip Buchanan


I'm not saying that all those guys are great players. But, some are/will be very good and smart teams will have the opportunity to assess which ones will have the best value as the NFL moves through this truncated free agent process.
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Don't you ever get sick of watching the Texans sift through the bargain bin looking for "the best bargain" and trying to show the world how smart they are? After ten years of this haven't you figured out that the Texans aren't exactly good at this (Arian Foster's presence on the team notwithstanding)
 
houstonspartan said:
Yes, how DARE we actually make a bold move to become competitive!

We know you're fine with 6-10 and giving Gary and Rick a lifetime contract. Some of us, however, want a little bit more.
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I would like to see our finite resources used most efficiently. I have no problem with fans believing that paying for Nnambi is the best utilization of those resources. I happen to disagree. What I find intellectually insulting and immature, is the idea that the ONLY way the Texans can show they are serious about improving the team and winning this off-season is to sign Nnambi. That is such a silly straw man that it seems pointless to even discuss football with people that think that way.
 
dalemurphy said:
This free agent market is flooded, particularly at the CB position. I'm not sure which players will be the best bargains, only that the principles of supply and demand will ensure that some will be. We have never seen a market this loaded with young talent in the salary cap era. Here are some names for you:

Johnathan Joseph
Brent Grimes
Antonio Cromartie
Brandon Carr
Josh Wilson
Chris Carr
Richard Marshall
Kelly Jennings
Chris Houston
Eric Wright
Fabian Washington


and that list excludes the 30 and 31 year old FAs that will also be in market:

Drayton Florence
Carlos Rogers
Ike Taylor
Phillip Buchanan

I'm not saying that all those guys are great players. But, some are/will be very good and smart teams will have the opportunity to assess which ones will have the best value as the NFL moves through this truncated free agent process.
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I realize this was a FA list, but I would have left him off the list on general principle......
 
Hervoyel said:
Don't you ever get sick of watching the Texans sift through the bargain bin looking for "the best bargain" and trying to show the world how smart they are? After ten years of this haven't you figured out that the Texans aren't exactly good at this (Arian Foster's presence on the team notwithstanding)
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Don't you understand the uniqueness of this free agent market? This is the best free agent market, by far, in over a decade. There are a dozen CBs in free agency that would improve most NFL secondaries, certainly ours. Furthermore, beyond the CB market, there are many good to great NFL players just entering into their prime that could be major assets to our football team.

In free agency, last year's 2nd best CB was Leigh Bodden. This year the 10th best FA CB is clearly better than Bodden and will likely be signed for less money than Bodden was last year.
 
dalemurphy said:
This free agent market is flooded, particularly at the CB position. I'm not sure which players will be the best bargains, only that the principles of supply and demand will ensure that some will be. We have never seen a market this loaded with young talent in the salary cap era. Here are some names for you:

Johnathan Joseph: A clear number 2 and very good player. He will likel;y head back to Cincy though.
Brent Grimes: pretty good player, but not on the level of Aso
Antonio Cromartie: overrated.
Brandon Carr: solid, but unspectacular
Josh Wilson: more upside than Carr but not on the level of JJ or Aso
Chris Carr: pass
Richard Marshall: eh, is he really better than Allen?
Kelly Jennings: See Marshall
Chris Houston: see Marshall
Eric Wright: overated.
Fabian Washington: VERY overated


and that list excludes the 30 and 31 year old FAs that will also be in market:

Drayton Florence: bad for our system
Carlos Rogers: see Marshall
Ike Taylor: bad for our system
Phillip Buchanan: NO THANKS


I'm not saying that all those guys are great players. But, some are/will be very good and smart teams will have the opportunity to assess which ones will have the best value as the NFL moves through this truncated free agent process.
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Strongly disagree. There are maybe 3 CBs who would be definitive upgrades. The rest are basically on the same level as Jason Allen and the others don't fit our scheme.
 
Texanmike said:
So a QB is worth breaking the bank for but the ability to take half the field away from that same QB is not worth it?

What if your secondary is absolutely terrible and you could go from the 30th secondary in the league to instantly an average secondary? This is the one player that you can probably add 3-5 wins to your total instantly. Seriously. Without any other changes to our defense last year, add Nnamdi and you are talking about a team that wins 9-11 games.

Mike
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There's a reason why your secondary is absolutely terrible, and it ain't because you didn't have Aso in the backfield. You would swear from some of the reactions here that this guy is the sole reason why Oakland has been to the playoffs for the past eight years straight.

:kitten:

I'm not going to deny Aso's ability, but I've always been worried about buying into the hype of any player, especially at defensive back which is arguably the hardest position in football. Does he really shut down the field as well as people thinks he does? He's great, don't get me wrong, but there's a reason why nobody throws on the Raiders, and it's more to do with the fact that their run defense, in the words of Bart Scott, "can't stop a nosebleed."

A legitimate question for the Aso must-signers out there: How much do you think he's worth a year? And don't give me that "he's worth whatever it takes the win" bullplop. Man up and produce a number.
 
Richard Marshall is actually not a bad CB at all, it's just that the Panthers were terrible last year so people have a low opinion of him. But there is no way he is only asking for half. The only way we are getting a player who wants half of what Nnamdi wants is if we sign somebody that isn't in the same galaxy as him in terms of talent.
 
Doppelganger said:
Strongly disagree. There are maybe 3 CBs who would be definitive upgrades. The rest are basically on the same level as Jason Allen and the others don't fit our scheme.
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a few things:

1. The CBs that "don't fit our scheme" still flood the market and drive down the price of the ones that "do fit".

2. Clearly, you have a high opinion of Jason Allen. However, you do realize that teams often have 3 or 4 CBs on the field at the same time? So, even if these guys are on his level, why wouldn't we want them as well?

3. Who cares if they are "over-rated"? If they are solid players that make the team better and the market determines that they can be signed for a discounted rate, I'm hardly concerned whether they are as good as ESPN analysts believe they are.
 
dalemurphy said:
There's a difference. Offensively, the Texans can scheme in a way that ensures Andre will be involved in the game and have an opportunity to make a lot of plays.

An opposing team, on a passing down, will often have 5 eligible receivers running routes. Nnambi will only be covering one of those five. Good offenses can scheme and work an offense in a way that minimizes the impact Nnambi will make. After all, consider how bad the Raiders defense has been the past four years while Nnambi has been, dominant, healthy, and in his prime.
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Actually the raider defense has been pretty damn awesome. Especially the secondary. The problem has been their front 7's ability to stop the run. Aso is worth every $$ they threw at him. I'm not saying we get him, but I fully support making a legit run at him.
 
dalemurphy said:
a few things:

1. The CBs that "don't fit our scheme" still flood the market and drive down the price of the ones that "do fit".
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I doubt that the price is going to get driven down just because there are a lot of CB's on the market this year. Especially not driven down enough where we are getting a Richard Marshall (insert name of wanted CB here) for less than 5 or 6 million a year.
 
dalemurphy said:
a few things:

1. The CBs that "don't fit our scheme" still flood the market and drive down the price of the ones that "do fit".

2. Clearly, you have a high opinion of Jason Allen. However, you do realize that teams often have 3 or 4 CBs on the field at the same time? So, even if these guys are on his level, why wouldn't we want them as well?

3. Who cares if they are "over-rated"? If they are solid players that make the team better and the market determines that they can be signed for a discounted rate, I'm hardly concerned whether they are as good as ESPN analysts believe they are.
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1. CBs that don't fit the scheme are not ones we can actually use. So, while there may be 11 FA CBs , maybe only 6 are usable.

2. The CBs were pretty bad last year, but the main issue is that if you get a Aso or a Joseph, you cut off half the field. Now, the Safteys can cheat and help the other CB, help each other, and patrol the middle of the field. With Allen type players, they are not good enough to solo, so you need to keep a safety nearby, which opens up additional passing areas. One elite CB can significantly upgrade your D.

3. If they are overrated and basically on the level of Allen, why bring them in? Jackson was horrible, but got dramatically better as the season wore on. Allen was Allen. We have Brandon Harris as well. If the players we bring in are on the level of Allen, we may as well stick with our Allen and Jackson. At least Jackson has potentially more upside than some of the names you mentioned.
 
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