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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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What did the xBox kid say?
Because they don't have people skills?
This should include both Clowney/BOB in this post.
Found @zshawn10 post on it. Don't know why it erased half of it when i quoted it. Too lazy to look into it.
That clowney didn't want to go to Miami and that's why he wasn't signing his tender. Preferred Seattle and phiy.Additionally mentioned the locker room wasn't happy and Crennel threatened to retire.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I know exactly why it was made.
Care to share?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
He gets FT and rightfully so. No way should the Texans ever have offered him the Donald and Mack money he was talking about. Then he holds out, which frankly, was the right move by him. Then he says he coming back after the Cowboys game. Everything is going exactly like it’s supposed to.
Then the Miami trade rumors fly, JD says “whoa”, and next thing you know, a Pro-Bowl edge player is given away for nothing and getting half his salary paid by the Texans on top of it.
If you can’t figure it out from that, I don’t know what to tell you. Here’s a clue though, hot headed jackass of a HC/GM.
Remember when Mallett couldn’t wake up and OB wanted to cut him on the spot? Fortunately he had someone to talk him off the ledge so they wouldn’t be playing a game with Lechler as the backup QB. Well, no one’s here now to talk him down when he goes all red ass. And we see what the result of that is.
Why the Texans soured on clowney
after firing general manager Brian Gaine in June, Texans chairman Cal McNair (left) has given coach Bill O'Brien power over personnel as the team's de facto GM.
Photo: Brett Coomer, Staff photographer
The Texans have never admitted it publicly, but the framework to trade outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney began to take shape before the 2018 season when they were unable to sign him to a multiyear contract extension.
The decision to trade Clowney turned out to be instrumental in the acquisition of Miami left tackle Laremy Tunsil even though, ultimately, Clowney was shipped to Seattle rather than the Dolphins. But the groundwork to get Tunsil to protect quarterback Deshaun Watson's blind side had been laid.
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O'Brien makes the final decision on players and answers to McNair. To assist in the process, O'Brien relied on a team of executive vice president of team development Jack Easterby, senior vice president of football administration Chris Olsen, director of player personnel Matt Bazirgan, director of football information systems Russell Joyner, director of pro personnel Rob Kisiel, assistant director of pro personnel C.J. Leak and director of college scouting James Liipfert.
According to multiple people familiar with what transpired, the genesis of the Clowney trade was a lack of progress in negotiations for more than a year. The two sides were far apart and remained far apart.
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Dallas defensive end DeMarcus Lawrence and Seattle defensive end Frank Clark, who was traded to Kansas City, were able to take advantage of the elevated pay scale for elite pass rushers. Clowney was not.
Clowney's agent, Bus Cook, visited training camp in West Virginia last year to talk with Olsen, who oversees the salary cap and contract negotiations, but left without a deal.
When last season began, trading Clowney — or making another run at trying to extend him — was placed on the back burner and didn't reignite until before this year's draft, according to those familiar with the situation. Ultimately, the Clowney saga ended Aug. 31 when O'Brien dealt him to the Seahawks.
That same day, O'Brien acquired Tunsil, receiver Kenny Stills and a fourth-round draft choice from Miami. He sent the Dolphins two first-round draft choices, a second-round selection, offensive tackle Julién Davenport and cornerback Johnson Bademosi.
The Texans refused to pay Clowney like an elite pass rusher. Coupled with their desperation to find a franchise left tackle to replace Duane Brown, who was traded to Seattle during the 2017 season because of a contract dispute, they formulated a plan to swap Clowney for Tunsil.
Jadeveon Clowney was the Texans' first draft pick after Bill O'Brien was hired as coach in 2014, but O'Brien eventually soured on the former South Carolina star, whom O'Brien didn't believe was part of the team culture conducive to winning.
Photo: Brett Coomer, Houston Chronicle
When the Texans placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Clowney in early March, former general manager Brian Gaine said they would continue to try to sign him, but there were no substantive negotiations after that.
The franchise tag meant another team could sign Clowney, and if the Texans didn't match, they would have received two first-round picks. No team was interested in him at that price tag.
Before this year's draft, the Texans tried to trade Clowney. They contacted more than 10 teams. They zeroed in on Kansas City, but the Chiefs acquired Clark from the Seahawks. They surrendered first- and second-round draft choices for Clark and a third-round pick.
Clark signed a new contract with the Chiefs (five years, $104 million, $62.3 million guaranteed, $20.8 million average).
Lawrence, meanwhile, re-signed with the Cowboys (five years, $105 million, $65 million guaranteed, $21 million average).
Clowney wanted a contract slightly more than Clark and Lawrence, but the Texans had decided they weren't going to pay him $100 million, no matter how many players signed contracts in that stratosphere.
Seattle general manager John Schneider disclosed last week he first spoke to the Texans about Clowney before the draft. They wanted too much. He still had Clark on the roster. After trading Clark to the Chiefs, Schneider remained patient and wouldn't bite on a Clowney deal unless the price was reduced significantly.
After McNair fired Gaine in early June, O'Brien became the general manager without the title and was determined to be more aggressive in the trade market than Gaine had been.
O'Brien and his offensive staff had coveted Tunsil for two months and wanted him in a deal that included Clowney and draft choices.
Clowey had known for weeks he was going to be traded when he signed the tender. Once the July 15 deadline passed for franchise players to sign multiyear contracts until 2020, Clowney was holding the cards. He could veto any trade by not signing his franchise-tag tender.
The Texans offered to trade Clowney to Miami for Tunsil and multiple high draft picks. The Dolphins wanted Clowney, but he didn't want the Dolphins even though he had worked out in Miami during the offseason when he refused to report to the Texans because he was unhappy about not getting a long-term deal.
According to two people close to Clowney, he didn't want to play at Miami for two reasons: the Dolphins are rebuilding, and he didn't want to play for a team that wasn't a playoff contender.
Clowney also didn't want to play for new Dolphins coach Brian Flores, who left New England for Miami. Clowney wasn't interested in playing for another Bill Belichick disciple after spending five years with O'Brien.
The Texans gave the Dolphins permission to meet with Clowney, but Flores couldn't change his mind.
One of the reasons Jadeveon Clowney wasn't keen on a trade to Miami was his lack of interest in playing for another Bill Belichick disciple in new Dolphins coach Brian Flores.
Photo: Sean Gardner, Getty Images
Over the past three years, O'Brien always said good things when asked about Clowney. But what he didn't say was revealing.
Usually, when O'Brien is asked about one of his players, he talks about what great team players they are and how hard they work. He never described Clowney that way. Several close to O'Brien said he didn't believe Clowney was part of the team culture he believes is conducive to winning.
Cook knew his client had three options: Sit out regular-season games and lose $939,000 a week, wait until teams were no longer interested in a trade and play one more season for the Texans or sign the tender and be traded.
Cook reiterated to the Texans that Clowney wasn't going to Miami. Cook told them to target Seattle or Philadelphia, two playoff contenders that play 4-3 schemes, which would allow Clowney to return to right defensive end, his natural position.
Brown, the Texans' first-round pick in 2008 who signed a multiyear contract with Seattle last year, was contacted by Clowney a month before the trade.
Brown told Seattle reporters he said good things about coach Pete Carroll, the organization, the weather and the city. Clowney expressed interest in finding a way to get to the Seahawks as Brown had done in 2017 when former general manager Rick Smith traded him for second- and third-round draft choices.
The Eagles came up with an offer, but it wasn't as good as Seattle made. The Seahawks offered a third-round draft choice and two defensive ends, Barkevious Mingo and Jacob Martin, who'll be moved to outside linebacker by the Texans.
For more than a year, agents tried to entice Clowney to leave Cook, claiming they could have gotten him the kind of contract he wanted. Finally, Clowney fired Cook but didn't sign with a new agent. A week later, he rehired Cook, and the trade was completed.
O'Brien got McNair to chip in $7 million of Clowney's $15.967 million salary this season.
Somehow, Cook convinced the Seahawks to promise not to designate Clowney as the franchise player again in 2020. That means Clowney could be one and done in Seattle. If he stays healthy and plays well, either the Seahawks or another team should reward him with a contract that'll pay him north of $100 million.
In Laremy Tunsil, the Texans believe they have a long-term solution for their left-tackle problem and protector for star quarterback Deshaun Watson.
Photo: Karen Warren/Houston Chronicle
Meanwhile, at the same time the Clowney deal was going down, O'Brien continued to pursue Tunsil.
With Clowney out of the picture, O'Brien sweetened the pot for Miami, offering two No. 1 picks and a second-round selection while also asking for Stills to be included.
As a coach, O'Brien wants to win now. As a de facto general manager, he'll worry about the 2020 and 2021 drafts later.
The Texans' thinking was this, according to three people close to the situation: Tunsil would step in at left tackle and help protect Watson for years. Both will get extensions next year. Stills brings speed, durability, a 16-yard average per catch in his career and 21 touchdowns over the last three years.
The Texans believe, like this year, they'll be picking low in the first and second rounds. They can spend more in free agency to make up for the loss of draft choices. Or they could possibly trade back into the first and second rounds.
With O'Brien being in charge now, it's clear by his actions on cutdown day a new era has been ushered in when it comes to player acquisitions. If Aug. 31 was an indication of how O'Brien is going to operate, fans could be in for a wild ride during the next free agency period and the 2020 draft
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...exans-soured-on-Jadeveon-Clowney-14419608.php
after firing general manager Brian Gaine in June, Texans chairman Cal McNair (left) has given coach Bill O'Brien power over personnel as the team's de facto GM.
Photo: Brett Coomer, Staff photographer
The Texans have never admitted it publicly, but the framework to trade outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney began to take shape before the 2018 season when they were unable to sign him to a multiyear contract extension.
The decision to trade Clowney turned out to be instrumental in the acquisition of Miami left tackle Laremy Tunsil even though, ultimately, Clowney was shipped to Seattle rather than the Dolphins. But the groundwork to get Tunsil to protect quarterback Deshaun Watson's blind side had been laid.
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O'Brien makes the final decision on players and answers to McNair. To assist in the process, O'Brien relied on a team of executive vice president of team development Jack Easterby, senior vice president of football administration Chris Olsen, director of player personnel Matt Bazirgan, director of football information systems Russell Joyner, director of pro personnel Rob Kisiel, assistant director of pro personnel C.J. Leak and director of college scouting James Liipfert.
According to multiple people familiar with what transpired, the genesis of the Clowney trade was a lack of progress in negotiations for more than a year. The two sides were far apart and remained far apart.
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Dallas defensive end DeMarcus Lawrence and Seattle defensive end Frank Clark, who was traded to Kansas City, were able to take advantage of the elevated pay scale for elite pass rushers. Clowney was not.
Clowney's agent, Bus Cook, visited training camp in West Virginia last year to talk with Olsen, who oversees the salary cap and contract negotiations, but left without a deal.
When last season began, trading Clowney — or making another run at trying to extend him — was placed on the back burner and didn't reignite until before this year's draft, according to those familiar with the situation. Ultimately, the Clowney saga ended Aug. 31 when O'Brien dealt him to the Seahawks.
That same day, O'Brien acquired Tunsil, receiver Kenny Stills and a fourth-round draft choice from Miami. He sent the Dolphins two first-round draft choices, a second-round selection, offensive tackle Julién Davenport and cornerback Johnson Bademosi.
The Texans refused to pay Clowney like an elite pass rusher. Coupled with their desperation to find a franchise left tackle to replace Duane Brown, who was traded to Seattle during the 2017 season because of a contract dispute, they formulated a plan to swap Clowney for Tunsil.
Jadeveon Clowney was the Texans' first draft pick after Bill O'Brien was hired as coach in 2014, but O'Brien eventually soured on the former South Carolina star, whom O'Brien didn't believe was part of the team culture conducive to winning.
Photo: Brett Coomer, Houston Chronicle
When the Texans placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Clowney in early March, former general manager Brian Gaine said they would continue to try to sign him, but there were no substantive negotiations after that.
The franchise tag meant another team could sign Clowney, and if the Texans didn't match, they would have received two first-round picks. No team was interested in him at that price tag.
Before this year's draft, the Texans tried to trade Clowney. They contacted more than 10 teams. They zeroed in on Kansas City, but the Chiefs acquired Clark from the Seahawks. They surrendered first- and second-round draft choices for Clark and a third-round pick.
Clark signed a new contract with the Chiefs (five years, $104 million, $62.3 million guaranteed, $20.8 million average).
Lawrence, meanwhile, re-signed with the Cowboys (five years, $105 million, $65 million guaranteed, $21 million average).
Clowney wanted a contract slightly more than Clark and Lawrence, but the Texans had decided they weren't going to pay him $100 million, no matter how many players signed contracts in that stratosphere.
Seattle general manager John Schneider disclosed last week he first spoke to the Texans about Clowney before the draft. They wanted too much. He still had Clark on the roster. After trading Clark to the Chiefs, Schneider remained patient and wouldn't bite on a Clowney deal unless the price was reduced significantly.
After McNair fired Gaine in early June, O'Brien became the general manager without the title and was determined to be more aggressive in the trade market than Gaine had been.
O'Brien and his offensive staff had coveted Tunsil for two months and wanted him in a deal that included Clowney and draft choices.
Clowey had known for weeks he was going to be traded when he signed the tender. Once the July 15 deadline passed for franchise players to sign multiyear contracts until 2020, Clowney was holding the cards. He could veto any trade by not signing his franchise-tag tender.
The Texans offered to trade Clowney to Miami for Tunsil and multiple high draft picks. The Dolphins wanted Clowney, but he didn't want the Dolphins even though he had worked out in Miami during the offseason when he refused to report to the Texans because he was unhappy about not getting a long-term deal.
According to two people close to Clowney, he didn't want to play at Miami for two reasons: the Dolphins are rebuilding, and he didn't want to play for a team that wasn't a playoff contender.
Clowney also didn't want to play for new Dolphins coach Brian Flores, who left New England for Miami. Clowney wasn't interested in playing for another Bill Belichick disciple after spending five years with O'Brien.
The Texans gave the Dolphins permission to meet with Clowney, but Flores couldn't change his mind.
One of the reasons Jadeveon Clowney wasn't keen on a trade to Miami was his lack of interest in playing for another Bill Belichick disciple in new Dolphins coach Brian Flores.
Photo: Sean Gardner, Getty Images
Over the past three years, O'Brien always said good things when asked about Clowney. But what he didn't say was revealing.
Usually, when O'Brien is asked about one of his players, he talks about what great team players they are and how hard they work. He never described Clowney that way. Several close to O'Brien said he didn't believe Clowney was part of the team culture he believes is conducive to winning.
Cook knew his client had three options: Sit out regular-season games and lose $939,000 a week, wait until teams were no longer interested in a trade and play one more season for the Texans or sign the tender and be traded.
Cook reiterated to the Texans that Clowney wasn't going to Miami. Cook told them to target Seattle or Philadelphia, two playoff contenders that play 4-3 schemes, which would allow Clowney to return to right defensive end, his natural position.
Brown, the Texans' first-round pick in 2008 who signed a multiyear contract with Seattle last year, was contacted by Clowney a month before the trade.
Brown told Seattle reporters he said good things about coach Pete Carroll, the organization, the weather and the city. Clowney expressed interest in finding a way to get to the Seahawks as Brown had done in 2017 when former general manager Rick Smith traded him for second- and third-round draft choices.
The Eagles came up with an offer, but it wasn't as good as Seattle made. The Seahawks offered a third-round draft choice and two defensive ends, Barkevious Mingo and Jacob Martin, who'll be moved to outside linebacker by the Texans.
For more than a year, agents tried to entice Clowney to leave Cook, claiming they could have gotten him the kind of contract he wanted. Finally, Clowney fired Cook but didn't sign with a new agent. A week later, he rehired Cook, and the trade was completed.
O'Brien got McNair to chip in $7 million of Clowney's $15.967 million salary this season.
Somehow, Cook convinced the Seahawks to promise not to designate Clowney as the franchise player again in 2020. That means Clowney could be one and done in Seattle. If he stays healthy and plays well, either the Seahawks or another team should reward him with a contract that'll pay him north of $100 million.
In Laremy Tunsil, the Texans believe they have a long-term solution for their left-tackle problem and protector for star quarterback Deshaun Watson.
Photo: Karen Warren/Houston Chronicle
Meanwhile, at the same time the Clowney deal was going down, O'Brien continued to pursue Tunsil.
With Clowney out of the picture, O'Brien sweetened the pot for Miami, offering two No. 1 picks and a second-round selection while also asking for Stills to be included.
As a coach, O'Brien wants to win now. As a de facto general manager, he'll worry about the 2020 and 2021 drafts later.
The Texans' thinking was this, according to three people close to the situation: Tunsil would step in at left tackle and help protect Watson for years. Both will get extensions next year. Stills brings speed, durability, a 16-yard average per catch in his career and 21 touchdowns over the last three years.
The Texans believe, like this year, they'll be picking low in the first and second rounds. They can spend more in free agency to make up for the loss of draft choices. Or they could possibly trade back into the first and second rounds.
With O'Brien being in charge now, it's clear by his actions on cutdown day a new era has been ushered in when it comes to player acquisitions. If Aug. 31 was an indication of how O'Brien is going to operate, fans could be in for a wild ride during the next free agency period and the 2020 draft
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...exans-soured-on-Jadeveon-Clowney-14419608.php
"O'Brienmakes the final decision on players and answers to McNair. "
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
You removed the paragraph from your post stating exactly what I posted. That’s cheap **** chief. Anybody want to see what he did, go to the Chronicle website and read the COMPLETE article. Smh, again.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
What is a winning culture???
Just think of everything you know about Texans history......
..... now, everything you just thought of... think the opposite.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I am not a cap expert, but everyone says this is personal between BOB and Clowney, but I think it is good business not doing the long term deal.
In the LONG term, we had to pivot and pay the offense a bit, and I will try to give my take here
For 2019, we could have afforded him so not sure the big issue there, I suspect they really wanted Tunsil,Miami could wait for Clowney to show up so reduced the draft capital we had to give them (say a RD1, Rd2 and Clowney), Clowney said no, both sides got pissed. We then traded him for a good colonoscopy as suitors knew it was not a open market. But long term, I don't think Clowney works in a salary cap world
We have $30m of cap room
You can get roughly $28m if you let Mingo ($4m), Stills ($8m), Colvin ($9m), Fulton ($7m) go. Don't know yet if wise to release Fulton, Stills is expensive insurance but maybe he could go, but let's go with this
We then have to pay some large increases, Fuller gets ($7m), Tunsil ($8.2), DW4 ($700k) = $16m
Mercilus, Reader are free agents, probably getting a raise. Let's act like the same though to keep it simple
Roby and JJo are free agents. Not sure you can replace them for the $15m they are together, again, let's act like you can
So if you really paid Clowney $22m per, DW4 $30m per you are already chewing up your $30m in space and the $12m, actually you are $10m short
Watt may want a raise if Clowner gets $22m and he is at $15m per. Oh Yeah, Tunsil add another $8m to him after 2020 I suspect.
So long term this was business, I think the team wanted to spread the dollars around differently. If you have a franchise
QB, you pay him, and you protect him. Giving him a great D is nice, but as much as I can dislike BOB, I get the lob term side of the move, Maybe short term after the Miami debacle, they sensed he was not coming in until week 9 and would be a distraction.
In the LONG term, we had to pivot and pay the offense a bit, and I will try to give my take here
For 2019, we could have afforded him so not sure the big issue there, I suspect they really wanted Tunsil,Miami could wait for Clowney to show up so reduced the draft capital we had to give them (say a RD1, Rd2 and Clowney), Clowney said no, both sides got pissed. We then traded him for a good colonoscopy as suitors knew it was not a open market. But long term, I don't think Clowney works in a salary cap world
We have $30m of cap room
You can get roughly $28m if you let Mingo ($4m), Stills ($8m), Colvin ($9m), Fulton ($7m) go. Don't know yet if wise to release Fulton, Stills is expensive insurance but maybe he could go, but let's go with this
We then have to pay some large increases, Fuller gets ($7m), Tunsil ($8.2), DW4 ($700k) = $16m
Mercilus, Reader are free agents, probably getting a raise. Let's act like the same though to keep it simple
Roby and JJo are free agents. Not sure you can replace them for the $15m they are together, again, let's act like you can
So if you really paid Clowney $22m per, DW4 $30m per you are already chewing up your $30m in space and the $12m, actually you are $10m short
Watt may want a raise if Clowner gets $22m and he is at $15m per. Oh Yeah, Tunsil add another $8m to him after 2020 I suspect.
So long term this was business, I think the team wanted to spread the dollars around differently. If you have a franchise
QB, you pay him, and you protect him. Giving him a great D is nice, but as much as I can dislike BOB, I get the lob term side of the move, Maybe short term after the Miami debacle, they sensed he was not coming in until week 9 and would be a distraction.
Why the Texans soured on clowney
after firing general manager Brian Gaine in June, Texans chairman Cal McNair (left) has given coach Bill O'Brien power over personnel as the team's de facto GM.
Photo: Brett Coomer, Staff photographer
The Texans have never admitted it publicly, but the framework to trade outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney began to take shape before the 2018 season when they were unable to sign him to a multiyear contract extension.
The decision to trade Clowney turned out to be instrumental in the acquisition of Miami left tackle Laremy Tunsil even though, ultimately, Clowney was shipped to Seattle rather than the Dolphins. But the groundwork to get Tunsil to protect quarterback Deshaun Watson's blind side had been laid.
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O'Brien makes the final decision on players and answers to McNair. To assist in the process, O'Brien relied on a team of executive vice president of team development Jack Easterby, senior vice president of football administration Chris Olsen, director of player personnel Matt Bazirgan, director of football information systems Russell Joyner, director of pro personnel Rob Kisiel, assistant director of pro personnel C.J. Leak and director of college scouting James Liipfert.
According to multiple people familiar with what transpired, the genesis of the Clowney trade was a lack of progress in negotiations for more than a year. The two sides were far apart and remained far apart.
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Dallas defensive end DeMarcus Lawrence and Seattle defensive end Frank Clark, who was traded to Kansas City, were able to take advantage of the elevated pay scale for elite pass rushers. Clowney was not.
Clowney's agent, Bus Cook, visited training camp in West Virginia last year to talk with Olsen, who oversees the salary cap and contract negotiations, but left without a deal.
When last season began, trading Clowney — or making another run at trying to extend him — was placed on the back burner and didn't reignite until before this year's draft, according to those familiar with the situation. Ultimately, the Clowney saga ended Aug. 31 when O'Brien dealt him to the Seahawks.
That same day, O'Brien acquired Tunsil, receiver Kenny Stills and a fourth-round draft choice from Miami. He sent the Dolphins two first-round draft choices, a second-round selection, offensive tackle Julién Davenport and cornerback Johnson Bademosi.
The Texans refused to pay Clowney like an elite pass rusher. Coupled with their desperation to find a franchise left tackle to replace Duane Brown, who was traded to Seattle during the 2017 season because of a contract dispute, they formulated a plan to swap Clowney for Tunsil.
Jadeveon Clowney was the Texans' first draft pick after Bill O'Brien was hired as coach in 2014, but O'Brien eventually soured on the former South Carolina star, whom O'Brien didn't believe was part of the team culture conducive to winning.
Photo: Brett Coomer, Houston Chronicle
When the Texans placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Clowney in early March, former general manager Brian Gaine said they would continue to try to sign him, but there were no substantive negotiations after that.
The franchise tag meant another team could sign Clowney, and if the Texans didn't match, they would have received two first-round picks. No team was interested in him at that price tag.
Before this year's draft, the Texans tried to trade Clowney. They contacted more than 10 teams. They zeroed in on Kansas City, but the Chiefs acquired Clark from the Seahawks. They surrendered first- and second-round draft choices for Clark and a third-round pick.
Clark signed a new contract with the Chiefs (five years, $104 million, $62.3 million guaranteed, $20.8 million average).
Lawrence, meanwhile, re-signed with the Cowboys (five years, $105 million, $65 million guaranteed, $21 million average).
Clowney wanted a contract slightly more than Clark and Lawrence, but the Texans had decided they weren't going to pay him $100 million, no matter how many players signed contracts in that stratosphere.
Seattle general manager John Schneider disclosed last week he first spoke to the Texans about Clowney before the draft. They wanted too much. He still had Clark on the roster. After trading Clark to the Chiefs, Schneider remained patient and wouldn't bite on a Clowney deal unless the price was reduced significantly.
After McNair fired Gaine in early June, O'Brien became the general manager without the title and was determined to be more aggressive in the trade market than Gaine had been.
O'Brien and his offensive staff had coveted Tunsil for two months and wanted him in a deal that included Clowney and draft choices.
Clowey had known for weeks he was going to be traded when he signed the tender. Once the July 15 deadline passed for franchise players to sign multiyear contracts until 2020, Clowney was holding the cards. He could veto any trade by not signing his franchise-tag tender.
The Texans offered to trade Clowney to Miami for Tunsil and multiple high draft picks. The Dolphins wanted Clowney, but he didn't want the Dolphins even though he had worked out in Miami during the offseason when he refused to report to the Texans because he was unhappy about not getting a long-term deal.
According to two people close to Clowney, he didn't want to play at Miami for two reasons: the Dolphins are rebuilding, and he didn't want to play for a team that wasn't a playoff contender.
Clowney also didn't want to play for new Dolphins coach Brian Flores, who left New England for Miami. Clowney wasn't interested in playing for another Bill Belichick disciple after spending five years with O'Brien.
The Texans gave the Dolphins permission to meet with Clowney, but Flores couldn't change his mind.
One of the reasons Jadeveon Clowney wasn't keen on a trade to Miami was his lack of interest in playing for another Bill Belichick disciple in new Dolphins coach Brian Flores.
Photo: Sean Gardner, Getty Images
Over the past three years, O'Brien always said good things when asked about Clowney. But what he didn't say was revealing.
Usually, when O'Brien is asked about one of his players, he talks about what great team players they are and how hard they work. He never described Clowney that way. Several close to O'Brien said he didn't believe Clowney was part of the team culture he believes is conducive to winning.
Cook knew his client had three options: Sit out regular-season games and lose $939,000 a week, wait until teams were no longer interested in a trade and play one more season for the Texans or sign the tender and be traded.
Cook reiterated to the Texans that Clowney wasn't going to Miami. Cook told them to target Seattle or Philadelphia, two playoff contenders that play 4-3 schemes, which would allow Clowney to return to right defensive end, his natural position.
Brown, the Texans' first-round pick in 2008 who signed a multiyear contract with Seattle last year, was contacted by Clowney a month before the trade.
Brown told Seattle reporters he said good things about coach Pete Carroll, the organization, the weather and the city. Clowney expressed interest in finding a way to get to the Seahawks as Brown had done in 2017 when former general manager Rick Smith traded him for second- and third-round draft choices.
The Eagles came up with an offer, but it wasn't as good as Seattle made. The Seahawks offered a third-round draft choice and two defensive ends, Barkevious Mingo and Jacob Martin, who'll be moved to outside linebacker by the Texans.
For more than a year, agents tried to entice Clowney to leave Cook, claiming they could have gotten him the kind of contract he wanted. Finally, Clowney fired Cook but didn't sign with a new agent. A week later, he rehired Cook, and the trade was completed.
O'Brien got McNair to chip in $7 million of Clowney's $15.967 million salary this season.
Somehow, Cook convinced the Seahawks to promise not to designate Clowney as the franchise player again in 2020. That means Clowney could be one and done in Seattle. If he stays healthy and plays well, either the Seahawks or another team should reward him with a contract that'll pay him north of $100 million.
In Laremy Tunsil, the Texans believe they have a long-term solution for their left-tackle problem and protector for star quarterback Deshaun Watson.
Photo: Karen Warren/Houston Chronicle
Meanwhile, at the same time the Clowney deal was going down, O'Brien continued to pursue Tunsil.
With Clowney out of the picture, O'Brien sweetened the pot for Miami, offering two No. 1 picks and a second-round selection while also asking for Stills to be included.
As a coach, O'Brien wants to win now. As a de facto general manager, he'll worry about the 2020 and 2021 drafts later.
The Texans' thinking was this, according to three people close to the situation: Tunsil would step in at left tackle and help protect Watson for years. Both will get extensions next year. Stills brings speed, durability, a 16-yard average per catch in his career and 21 touchdowns over the last three years.
The Texans believe, like this year, they'll be picking low in the first and second rounds. They can spend more in free agency to make up for the loss of draft choices. Or they could possibly trade back into the first and second rounds.
With O'Brien being in charge now, it's clear by his actions on cutdown day a new era has been ushered in when it comes to player acquisitions. If Aug. 31 was an indication of how O'Brien is going to operate, fans could be in for a wild ride during the next free agency period and the 2020 draft
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...exans-soured-on-Jadeveon-Clowney-14419608.php
I see you left out the most important paragraph in the article.
I will put it out there for all to see. But I would love to know why you left this out. Things like this are why you have very little credibility. Here's the paragraph you left out.
From the time the Texans finalized their plan to trade Clowney and acquire other players to bolster the roster, team chairman Cal McNair had coach Bill O'Brien as his point man doing most of the negotiations and closing the deals.
I posted the whole article
I posted the whole article and that doesn't change that obrien has finally say on personnel
Dejaview
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Total lie. Odd isn’t it that the only thing that fell out of your post is the part that totally damns your opinion. Why did you post this altered lie? Thought you wouldn’t get caught. You have zero credibility and are nothing more than a troll. You destroy honest debate on this forum.
Mr teX
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That wasn’t the most important part. I think it was interesting that they tried negotiating with him for a full year, suspended negotiations. Doesn’t really sound like BoB hated him as much as some on here assert. and then they actually did try to trade him before the draft and July 15 deadline...no takers. 10 teams....& noone wanted to give much of anything for him...didn’t want to touch dude b/c as the article says Schneider said, “the price was too high, they just wanted too much”......that speaks VOLUMES about what the league thinks of him.
Why then? There was no good reason other than butt chin allowing his ego to get the best of him.
I posted the whole article and that doesn't change that obrien has finally say on personnel
We don't know what teams offered for a guy who was gonna get tagged soon. And the Texans were looking for an LT which no one would give up
Lol Jadeveon Clowney was the Texans' first draft pick after Bill O'Brien was hired as coach in 2014, but O'Brien eventually soured on the former South Carolina star, whom O'Brien didn't believe was part of the team culture conducive to winning. give it up dude. OB is a POS egomaniac. He thinks he’s billacheck and he’s not even worthy of being a towel boy for that legend.
I guess coming from a guy with zero.credibility makes it true
The whole article is in this thread.
ATXtexanfan
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Lol if Cal is making moves then we never gonna get rid his secretary OB. Throw in how long did it take jerry Jones to understand how to build a team. If Cal is truly calling the shots then we are in trouble as fans. One he has no idea, two he loves him some OB, three this his real life madden lol.
Great post
This is where I'm at
Although I would have made Clowney play on the tag this yr
Care to point out where I got that paragraph from?
I can tell you where, the 4th paragraph of the article.
Yes
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Just go away. You are an exposed liar and troll.
You dont like that BOB did what it took to protect Watson?
Lol
OB is the laughing stock of the NFL. Joke after joke by NFL alumni and sports media about OB and his horrible decision. I just hope he doesn’t trade Watson for a seventh round pick when his contract negotiations don’t go OBs way. Although it wouldn’t surprise me. He’d probably say it’s ok we now have such a great OL now that he could coach and win with any QB. He’s a fkn moron and anyone who can’t see that has their head up his chin.
ATXtexanfan
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How many people here actually believe this article from the super secret OB front lol. We all know info is fed for reasons. So jumping another poster for an article is being the tool who wrote the article.
I mean when we trade our next 4 first round picks we gonna a play by play detail right???
I'm just waiting for OB to blow a game because he didnt call time out and we find out Cal didnt give him permission to call the time out.
Leaks are leaks. Source of the leak a bigger story than the leak
I mean when we trade our next 4 first round picks we gonna a play by play detail right???
I'm just waiting for OB to blow a game because he didnt call time out and we find out Cal didnt give him permission to call the time out.
Leaks are leaks. Source of the leak a bigger story than the leak
Post what he left out then.
Didnt you just join? Are you trying to run everyone off like doc?
ATXtexanfan
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I dont like that after five years OB gets a new credit card. If he cant develop then he is a failure.
What you haven’t run off enough people here already? Maybe it’s you who should go snowflake. I swear my granddaughter has thicker skin than you.
Agreed BOB is running the show, I wish this had happened from the beginning instead of the boardroom approach.
Someone did give up a LT and if Clowney had been willing to go to Miami the cost would've been less. That's why BOB should've made Clowney play on the tag
ATXtexanfan
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Weird considering everyone thinks you ran off the doc
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Didnt you just join? Are you trying to run everyone off like doc?
Yes I think it was clowney and a first for Tunsil.
What you haven’t run off enough people here already? Maybe it’s you who should go snowflake. I swear my granddaughter has thicker skin than you.
Sure but that’s like saying “you don’t like that the guy putting a tourniquet on your arm that is responsible for it getting cut off?”.
Oh now you did it. Here comes the crying lol. This guy is like a delicate flower.
I totally get this
But with rhe toxic relationship RS/BOB had I'm willing to give him a pass and see what he can do when he's the sole guy calling the shots. I guess what I'm most happy about is the boardroom style mgmt is dead.
ATXtexanfan
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Dear FOOTBALL GODS
can we please get to texans vs saints. Man breaking down Xs and Os is better than fighting amongst my peeps.
We already have lost the Doc and that dude that started the Clowney thread.
Cant we all just get along
Sorry no gif
can we please get to texans vs saints. Man breaking down Xs and Os is better than fighting amongst my peeps.
We already have lost the Doc and that dude that started the Clowney thread.
Cant we all just get along
Sorry no gif
Post #5863 I posted the whole article.