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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Clowney has gotten better, but obviously the main thing has been his health. I could be wrong but I get the vibe that some people think he wasn't that good of a player prior to this season. He was not as good as he is now, but he was still a player that got the attention of other teams' coaching staffs.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
TBH, it was a good play call against the defense we were playing. Fans love seeing corners playing a lot of press-man, but these rub/pick plays are hard to defend in that type of coverage.
Now with that being said, it should have just been limited to a 10 yard gain, but a lot of guys took horrible angles. Bullough & Demps took bad angles. Hal did a horrendous job at trying to make an open field tackle.
Trying to blame KJ on this play is really grasping for straws.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Well one got benched in favor of another guy.....guess the coaches feel he isn't up to par either.
Was it a great call? Sure. Were there missed tackles after that, yes. But it doesn't negate the fact that Jackson forgot what to do and ran in to Bouye...
dream_team
Hall of Fame
What exactly did KJ forget to do?
Who got benched?
Is this a matter of KJ hate or Bouye love?
I still can't overlook the way that Bouye played that he couldn't have prevented a first down in any case, and in my eyes he played that much worse than KJ did
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
He had all the talent in the world and had a freak of nature types of measurables. His attitude and effort is what people questioned more than anything, and how it would effect him at the pro level throughout a career. Great talented players have huge years here and there based on talent and ability alone in many cases, but a lot of those guys can also struggle to be consistent in the long term if they don't have the work ethic and the right attitude to be a great football player where they love to play every week. Mario Williams was that kind of guy to me. A guy who had great measurables and could play well, but lacked a killer instinct to dominate and didn't ever seem to "love" football. He played it because he was great at it, and because he make a lot of money. I don't want guys like that on my football team. They'll eventually surface as under achievers. I think people had that feeling about Clowney more than anything. Not really whether he had the abilities to be a dominant player.
For the record I was on board with the Clowney pick. Thought he could be doing what he has been doing this yr early in his career. I did want him to have those bone spurs removed,
Injuries are the only thing that have held him back. I also think that getting rid of Swag was a major positive in Clowney's career.
Injuries are the only thing that have held him back. I also think that getting rid of Swag was a major positive in Clowney's career.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Can anyone explain exactly how his potential 5th year contract option would work?
Nope,
Hate to say this, but after CND's prediction I wonder how many yrs Clowney can play at his current level.
It's equivalent to next year's league transition tag.
Last year that number for a DE was 12.734M. Next year's early estimate for a DE is 14M.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Just to clairify, 5th year option isn't until after next season so the $14M would actually be more since the numbers slightly increase every season.
Right, should have said it's equivalent to the 2018 transition tag. Good catch, Pap.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Is this the same thing as a franchise tag? I'll assume it is, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Franchise tags are pretty high especially for a DE. I'm not sure if we could afford it along with JJ's contract. If Clowney is playing at a really high level around that time and his health is good then we might consider it if the numbers guys can make it work. It will be pretty difficult though. I think the Texans ultimately will end up trading him at some point.
They're not the same. But more importantly the fifth year option isn't the actual use of the transitional or franchise tag, it's just commensurately the dollar amount of that (the transitional) tag. The franchise tag is a bit more expensive.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
It should also be noted that the transition/franchise tag requires the player sign the 1 year guaranteed contract (and are therefore not under contract prior to that signing) while the exercising of the fifth year option simply extends the existing contract, and the player never has to sign anything, and is never "not" under contract.
Practically speaking, this makes little to no difference beyond being able to fine a player if they decide to hold out at any point.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Clowney has not played a lot of football up to this point of his career and is only 23.
I know he could be expensive, but I would like to retain his services and make this line the terror of ALL teams - including NE and GB.
At the time, I also agreed with the Clowney pick. I was also 100% against Johnny Football, but was not happy when they bypassed Derek Carr at # 33.
If he had been born 10 years earlier, that microfracture injury ends his career there and then.
I like his attitude - he plays for the enjoyment/fun of the game. That will help make him special.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Micro. Fracture.
Scary words for an athlete and I'm truly hoping JDC beats the odds.
I've been a wishy washy fan of JD's. Started on board. Fell off and criticized, and now i am blissfully ignorant. I used to get mocked when I would wear my Clowney jersey. Not so much anymore.
I can't wait to see the package that has JJ and JDC lined up on the same side next year, hot damn!
Scary words for an athlete and I'm truly hoping JDC beats the odds.
I've been a wishy washy fan of JD's. Started on board. Fell off and criticized, and now i am blissfully ignorant. I used to get mocked when I would wear my Clowney jersey. Not so much anymore.
I can't wait to see the package that has JJ and JDC lined up on the same side next year, hot damn!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Interesting to note that Clowney has not had an interception since HS.........and none through college.............great going big guy!
Showtime100
Got JJ?
I never thought Clowney would have a year like he had with us this year. Thanks for proving me wrong, and congrats on a great year if you happen to read this board, JDC.
VTexan
Rookie
if you're the GM, you would trade him this off season? because provided he plays well in NE, his value might be the highest it will be.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I'd still be cautious about resigning him. He played well this year, but one good season when he's had major injury problems doesn't mean we need to resign him.
Actually, he wasn't even the most consistent performer in this game at his position. Merci was better. Clowney made two plays, albeit one was a huge play. He had one tackle. Merci had a hell of a game throughout.
Mack actually had a better game overall as well.
Actually, he wasn't even the most consistent performer in this game at his position. Merci was better. Clowney made two plays, albeit one was a huge play. He had one tackle. Merci had a hell of a game throughout.
Mack actually had a better game overall as well.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Merci played a hell of a game. Some of that came from Clowney getting double teams. They played well off each other. Just like Merci would do with JJ. It doesn't diminish Merci's game to say that and it doesn't invalidate the impact Clowney had on the game because he didn't fill up a fantasy stat line.
And yes, the Texans need to resign him. It's clear that we are seeing the special talent he can be. Some risks are worth taking, and a Watt/Merci/Clowney led defense is definitely worth the risk.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Re-sign him but be careful in the structure of the contract.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
It's not so much about a fantasy stat line, it's about consistent play. He made two plays where he was able to get his hands on the ball, but didn't do a great deal other than that. He was also not getting double teamed all game.
I like what Clowney can provide when healthy. I'd be all for resigning him if it weren't for the injury risk. Having said that, I am not going to be disillusioned into believing he was a one man wrecking crew in this game or all season. He was inconsistent throughout the season and in this game. I'm sure he'll become more consistent in the future if he is able to stay on the field.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Mercilus definitely had a big game (as is his custom in big games it seems) but he was also absolutely a big beneficiary of Oakland focusing on Clowney. There were plenty of plays where he got a 1-on-1 with the RT because Clowney was getting double teamed. Oakland actually had quite a few snaps where they brought in a 6th OL at TE to double Clowney. That's a big assist to the secondary since it gives them one less option to cover. Clowney may have only had one tackle but he made a huge impact on the game throughout.
It's just nice that Clowney has seemingly progressed to the point where offenses have to scheme to slow him down. That's what made Watt & Mercilus such a great combo the last few years. Teams schemed for Watt and Mercilus tore them up as punishment.
I agree about being cautious about re-signing him though. The good thing is he basically has 2 years left on his rookie contract because of the rookie option so him staying healthy those 2 years will be huge come negotiation time.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I agree with that. We need to be very careful about how we structure a deal with Clowney. We can't really afford to have all this money tied to our DL/OLBs if they aren't all performing. Watt is a question mark already now with his second back surgery. It will be an almost death nail if Clowney is signed to a large deal, but again show signs of his unhealthy lower body.
PapaL
Loose Screw
BINGO! Just like our QB gamble, I'd do something similar.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Oakland was more in a save-face mode. Their offense looked about as bad as I have seen from a non-Texans team. Cook actually should have thrown 2 additional interceptions. One was literally thrown at a defender with no receiver even in the vicinity. He also held onto the ball for way too long. I'm glad we didn't draft that guy. I think Oakland was just trying everything they could to give him more time given how long he was hanging onto the ball. They also didn't have their starting left tackle. Our front 7 as a group played extremely well though, so they deserve alot of credit for that.
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WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I don't disagree with any of that. Oakland was a mess with Carr and Penn out. Watson being forced to play LT for the first time and Clowney feasted on him but, as a unit, the Oakland offense was pitiful. WR's dropping passes, O-Line overmatched, and QB completely overwhelmed.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I don't want to sound overly negative on Clowney. When he's healthy, he has plays where he's completely dominant. All I'm saying is that, in addition to staying healthy, I'd like to see him become more consistent. His tools are too great for him to get pushed out of plays as often as he does.
Come on. Even Watt loses battles in the trenches. So does Clowney.
Superman doesn't exist.
VTexan
Rookie
i don't buy that merc has been more "consistent" and better than clowney. talk about a dude who really gets most of his stats piggybacking off of watt.
clowney has brought it almost every play and has been damn consistent this year... at least to my eyes.
stats don't tell the whole story with JD
clowney has brought it almost every play and has been damn consistent this year... at least to my eyes.
stats don't tell the whole story with JD
If you haven't checked it out yet, Here's Jd's postgame interview..... pretty funny at the end.
I've said this before about Merc, he's a really good janitor. He doesn't usually create the mess, but you can count on him to clean it up a solid amount of the time.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I don't disagree. I'm not saying he needs to dominate every play, but he got pushed around quite a bit this year. He's too good to have had that happen to him as frequently as it did. Maybe it had something to do with injury or coming back from injury, I don't know, but it did happen and it was noticed by people throughout the year.
Guys are going to lose battles, but guys who get paid alot shouldn't lose them that often. This is part of the decision making process in regards to re-signing him. He isn't going to be a low-cost guy. He's going to have to be paid a great deal IMO. If we don't re-sign him early, at a high dollar contract, he'll go to FA and someone will pay him. With the contracts that we already have with Watt and Merci, we can't afford to pay Clowney alot as well if we aren't going to get consistent play. If we didn't have Watt and Merci on the team and under contract long term, I'd be more willing to take the risk, but that's not the case.
Edited re-sign for PapaL.
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
That's a good way to put it. He doesn't usually create the mess either way, good or bad; he does his job. He's consistent as hell.
You're not piggybacking off someone if you beat your man consistently enough. Merci has benefited from Watt in that he's not getting doubled, but he's also beating his man pretty consistently. It's not like he is running free at the QB often.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I can't help but think back to the Mario Williams years before he had a legit rusher opposite him.
Even top-level pass rushers need there to be some threat from the opposite side to stop the O from cheating the protection completely against them.
If the 'other' guy can't threaten 1V1, thats when you begin to have issues getting production even if your top rusher is at a very high level.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
He played lights out last night. I would sign him to a contract extension.
Clowney still not getting respect he deserves. Lol. He became a great player towards the end of this year. After getting healthy and getting a feel what takes he really turned it on. If Denver can have Miller and wade, why can't we have Watt and Clowney. This is our identity now like it or not. We just need to improve our OL and running game and add a solid vet QB that knows how to take care of the ball.
We can win it all with that formula.
We can win it all with that formula.
PapaL
Loose Screw
And he beat the **** out of Tom Brady this past weekend.
God Bless America and God Bless Jadeveon Clowney!
