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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Dude's really starting to figure out his strengths. One of those is his ability to read the play. Clowney's never going to have the hips to rush consistently from a wide technique, instead he's a quicker and smarter version of Mario Williams. It's a blessing to him that Watt is out, Clowney is getting experience being able to move around and be the focal point of rush options that he wouldn't have otherwise. The hands still have a lot of improving to do, and he needs to figure out how to stay healthy, but in spite of the injuries and inexperience he's really showing talent.
 
Scooter said:
Dude's really starting to figure out his strengths. One of those is his ability to read the play. Clowney's never going to have the hips to rush consistently from a wide technique, instead he's a quicker and smarter version of Mario Williams. It's a blessing to him that Watt is out, Clowney is getting experience being able to move around and be the focal point of rush options that he wouldn't have otherwise. The hands still have a lot of improving to do, and he needs to figure out how to stay healthy, but in spite of the injuries and inexperience he's really showing talent.
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Well said. He can be a good football,but he will never be a top flight rusher. I mean RAC schemed Wimbley to 10 sacks as a rookie. If it were me next year, JD would just play lde.
 
leebigeztx said:
Well said. He can be a good football,but he will never be a top flight rusher. I mean RAC schemed Wimbley to 10 sacks as a rookie. If it were me next year, JD would just play lde.
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Wasn't it 11 sacks that Kemerion Wimbley produced with the Browns as a rookie back in 2006? And he didn't have to deal with a serious microfracture surgery at that young age. His career still went downhill after that if I recall.

If we were talking about a healthy Jadeveon Clowney he'd probably have had a double-digit sack season by now. This was one of the freakish athletes I've ever seen in college.

I just don't buy that Clowney will never be a top-flight pass rusher. He very well can be if he keeps his body healthy. A "very big if" but I wouldn't count him out just yet. He hasn't even hit his prime years, is still very young, and he's had to overcome some serious injuries.

I'd like to see anybody else have Clowney's history of injuries and still be as productive as he's been in 2016. It would be hard to find a player as good, IMO.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I just don't buy that Clowney will never be a top-flight pass rusher.
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He wont. Maybe before his knee reconstruction and a few other injuries he may have had a chance at being an elite pass rusher (dude had Lawrence Tayler level jump). Now he's a potential Justin Smith, which is one hell of a compliment. He has lots of work to do with his hands and leverage and health, but if he can combine what he learns this year to complimenting Watt next year ... Clowney may very well become a star.
 
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I am glad he made it. He has made it back from a pretty serious injury and to finally be able to excel again has been impressive. He has been unbelievable the past 2 weeks making destructive play after play.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Wasn't it 11 sacks that Kemerion Wimbley produced with the Browns as a rookie back in 2006? And he didn't have to deal with a serious microfracture surgery at that young age. His career still went downhill after that if I recall.

If we were talking about a healthy Jadeveon Clowney he'd probably have had a double-digit sack season by now. This was one of the freakish athletes I've ever seen in college.

I just don't buy that Clowney will never be a top-flight pass rusher. He very well can be if he keeps his body healthy. A "very big if" but I wouldn't count him out just yet. He hasn't even hit his prime years, is still very young, and he's had to overcome some serious injuries.

I'd like to see anybody else have Clowney's history of injuries and still be as productive as he's been in 2016. It would be hard to find a player as good, IMO.
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Clowney had a game against the Jags that Watt used to have. He lived in the backfield most of the day.

Congrats J.D. you worked your butt off and it is showing up on the field.
 
VTexan said:
we have the no #1 defense in the league without lord watt and ya'll will nitpick anything to death. i think i trust RAC to put JD in the best position to succeed than a bunch of posters on an chinese image board.
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This seems so out of place. like someone has been stuck in a time warp or something.
 
Jadeveon Clowney, DE, first Pro Bowl selection: Not only has Clowney been asked to fill big shoes after J.J. Watt was put on injured reserve in late September, but he has done it by playing multiple positions on defense. Clowney started the season as an outside linebacker, but the Texans have utilized his speed and ability to be disruptive by playing him at defensive end, as well. The former No. 1 pick dealt with many injuries in his first two NFL seasons. Clowney has managed to play all but one game this season while playing through wrist and elbow pain. Through 13 games, he has a career-high 5 sacks, a forced fumble and 11 tackles for a loss. Clowney leads a defense that ranks first in the NFL in total net yards (306.5). Since Week 8, Houston is also ranked first in net rushing yards per game, allowing an average of 70.6.
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You came a long way back man. You were down for sure, but you put it together and made it back.Congrats JD !
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Wasn't it 11 sacks that Kemerion Wimbley produced with the Browns as a rookie back in 2006? And he didn't have to deal with a serious microfracture surgery at that young age. His career still went downhill after that if I recall.

If we were talking about a healthy Jadeveon Clowney he'd probably have had a double-digit sack season by now. This was one of the freakish athletes I've ever seen in college.

I just don't buy that Clowney will never be a top-flight pass rusher. He very well can be if he keeps his body healthy. A "very big if" but I wouldn't count him out just yet. He hasn't even hit his prime years, is still very young, and he's had to overcome some serious injuries.

I'd like to see anybody else have Clowney's history of injuries and still be as productive as he's been in 2016. It would be hard to find a player as good, IMO.
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Even before that, he never could bend. Wimberley could bend and almost put his shoulder pad on the ground. Once they stopped trying to make him a 3-4 olb, he had a good career. In college, clowney either overpowered or speed rushed guys. In the nfl, if you can't convert one to the other, you wont be a top flight rusher. I haven't seen Clowney do it because he can't turn his hips. He's a good striker with long arms and he's quick,but you have to leverage guys. He can be a 8 sack, disruptive player and thats good.
 
Good for Clowney.

Hopefully he can stay healthy into next year and sustain this.

The questions then becomes, when do we trade him while his value has a ceiling? In the off season or right before next year's trade deadline?
 
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leebigeztx said:
Even before that, he never could bend. Wimberley could bend and almost put his shoulder pad on the ground. Once they stopped trying to make him a 3-4 olb, he had a good career. In college, clowney either overpowered or speed rushed guys. In the nfl, if you can't convert one to the other, you wont be a top flight rusher. I haven't seen Clowney do it because he can't turn his hips. He's a good striker with long arms and he's quick,but you have to leverage guys. He can be a 8 sack, disruptive player and thats good.
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Strahan wasn't one of those guys who could bend like Wimberly but he did okay working mainly with his strength. And I think Clowney can be quicker off the ball than Strahan was. Clowney will be alright as long as he can stay relatively healthy.
 
Texecutioner said:
Good for Clowney.

Hopefully he can stay healthy into next year and sustain this.

The questions then becomes, when do we trade him while his value his a ceiling? In the off season or right before next year's trade deadline?
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Why would you trade him when you don't know what you have in JJ Watt coming back from surgery? It seems you would set the defense back.
 
TexansBull said:
Why would you trade him when you don't know what you have in JJ Watt coming back from surgery? It seems you would set the defense back.
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Because McNair tied his hands pretty good when he dished out $98 million in salaries this year and another $40 million GTDs would devastate the salary cap.
 
Texian said:
Because McNair tied his hands pretty good when he dished out $98 million in salaries this year and another $40 million GTDs would devastate the salary cap.
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I ask this because I really don't know and I am not trying to be an ass and must have missed this conversation, but there is really no way to sign him? Even by franchising him, or letting go a contract like Cushing's?
 
TexansBull said:
I ask this because I really don't know and I am not trying to be an ass and must have missed this conversation, but there is really no way to sign him? Even by franchising him, or letting go a contract like Cushing's?
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There are ways to sign him and it more than likely would entail cutting player(s). Franchising would be cost prohibitive. Besides his long tern production and injury history doesn't equal a franchise salary. And yes his play has been better this year however his production doesn't really qualify for a stratosphere contract, so that should help.
 
IDEXAN said:
scratch

Or 2018 if the Texans decline to execute their 5th year option it appears ?
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I think Clowney has played consistent enough this season to exercise the 5th year option. Would probably be +/- $13M guaranteed for injury for 2018 season. Tough call to make on May 2nd.
 
IDEXAN said:
scratch

Or 2018 if the Texans decline to execute their 5th year option it appears ?
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gs27 said:
I think Clowney has played consistent enough this season to exercise the 5th year option. Would probably be +/- $13M guaranteed for injury for 2018 season. Tough call to make on May 2nd.
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They picked up the option on Mercilus without him showing a whole lot... they'll pick up Clowney
 
JB said:
They picked up the option on Mercilus without him showing a whole lot... they'll pick up Clowney
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I agree they will likely pick up Clowney's option, however Mercilus was much easier since he was after the 11th pick where the 5th year option becomes the average of 3-25 at the position versus the top 10 average.
 
Texans give Whitney Mercilus four-year, $26 million extension
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Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Nick Foles, bottom, is sacked for a 9-yard loss by Houston Texans linebacker Whitney Mercilus during the first quarter of an NFL football game, Sunday, Nov. 2, 2014, in Houston. Foles was injured on the play. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

The Texans didn’t pick up the fifth-year option on the rookie contract of 2012 first-round pickWhitney Mercilus, but now that’s moot. Mercilus and the Texans have agreed on a four-year contract extension.
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I think it was days after the deadline, but the Texans didn't pick up the fifth year option.
 
thunderkyss said:
Texans give Whitney Mercilus four-year, $26 million extension


I think it was days after the deadline, but the Texans didn't pick up the fifth year option.
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I'm sure they didn't negotiate that deal in the days after the deadline. I'd be willing to bet the framework was in place already. I can see a similar situation for Clowney. If they don't have a deal in place then they'll use the option year. Both sides have incentive to get a deal done; especially if he's healthy and productive again next year. We've already thrown more at way less in Brock; whom would basically be off our books by that season. That's $17M alone there.
 
TexansBull said:
Why would you trade him when you don't know what you have in JJ Watt coming back from surgery? It seems you would set the defense back.
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Clowney is having a good year now which is great for him and the Texans, but that doesn't change his injury prone history. He had the concerns coming out of college, and no one wanted to listen to them and he wasted a #1 draft pick on him. He is one of the worst types of players that you'd offer a max contract to. He may have some strong seasons throughout his career, and I could see that but I also expect to see a lot of inconsistency in his health which we already have to put it lightly. If Clowney can stay healthy for the remainder of this year and headed into next year his value can rise, and the Texans can get value for him before he gets hurt again. The next injury that takes him out for 3 games or more will dent his value a lot from what he has been able to repair from it this season. The smart move would be to trade him for a high value to a desperate team if you can during a trade deadline. That is exactly what the Patriots do with so many of their defensive players they know they aren't going to resign to a really high extension. LB's and DE"s end up getting way over inflated contracts if they are the top player at their position in the off season to negotiate. They always look at what the last guy got which is the dumbest structure that these owners have cornered themselves to. For example the guy that got paid after Watt piggy backed off of Watt, and he was nowhere near the player that Watt was. Suh got a contract like that and the Dolphins were crazy to pay that to a guy like Suh.

Picking up an option wouldn't be all that bad for a one year hook depending on the numbers and what the Texans have to spend and who is on their team already when that times comes around. I am just thinking ahead, because I know the Texans are not going to resign Clowney to a huge long term deal like what Watt got. They didn't do it for Mario, and Clowney is a much higher risk than what Mario was at the time.
 
Gor to admire the dude. Set for life financially with a huge uphill struggle to get back to this level.

I still have concerns regarding a long term deals though, hes the type of player the market is huge for and CnD's long term prognosis was of a few short years of his surgery allowing for him to play well followed by rapid degeneration if memory serves me.

Not that he would deserve the pay check after what he's been through, but I don't see it serving the Texans well.
 
welsh texan said:
I still have concerns regarding a long term deals though, hes the type of player the market is huge for...
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If we don't offer him a contract I hope Smith is man enough to talk to him & tell him where they are at. I can't remember specifically who, bit I recall several of our free agents who we just didn't make an offer to, didn't talk to them, nothing.
 
thunderkyss said:
If we don't offer him a contract I hope Smith is man enough to talk to him & tell him where they are at. I can't remember specifically who, bit I recall several of our free agents who we just didn't make an offer to, didn't talk to them, nothing.
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Pretty sure his agent will already know we won't by that time.

The hard part is to figure out when would be the best time where we could get good value for him.
 
JB said:
wtf? Wasn't that an illegal pick play? And did anyone else notice that Bouye just quit running even tho it was his man? Should he and KJ have switched responsibilities on that play?
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god Kareem Jackson is so terrible, that's what I saw
 
JB said:
I don't see how you got that. Him and Bouye collided, how do you put that all on KJ? It was Bouye that got beat
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OCs used to get us with those crossing routes all the time. we've gotten better against them over the years. but that one... if they're playing straight man, like it appears they were, Bouye needs to play deeper off the line.

Lafell is a bit quicker than most fullback's & it is impressive that JD didn't fall behind, but it still sux that we don't have a guy that can catch Lafell.

It's really surprising that we haven't given up more big plays.
 
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OCs used to get us with those crossing routes all the time. we've gotten better against them over the years. but that one... if they're playing straight man, like it appears they were, Bouye needs to play deeper off the line.

Lafell is a bit quicker than most fullback's & it is impressive that JD didn't fall behind, but it still sux that we don't have a guy that can catch Lafell.

It's really surprising that we haven't given up more big plays.
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Or tighter to the line and jam Lafell trying to get off
 
JB said:
I don't see how you got that. Him and Bouye collided, how do you put that all on KJ? It was Bouye that got beat
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Bouye did everything he could to go deep and avoid Jackson, Jackson, instead of sticking to his man and allowing Bouye to go around him, also went wide and ran into Bouye....Jackson was no where near his guy....
 
amazing80 said:
Bouye did everything he could to go deep and avoid Jackson, Jackson, instead of sticking to his man and allowing Bouye to go around him, also went wide and ran into Bouye....Jackson was no where near his guy....
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watch it again. Bouye started an immediate back pedal for almost 5 yards until trying to to follow Lafell. KJ was in pretty good coverage to prevent the first down. Bouye was lost

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see how deep Bouye is already? How was KJ supposed to avoid him?
 
DocBar said:
He's lazy and do3sn't go hard every down. Go back and read his scouting report. lol
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'Cuz people never change after college.

Even in college laziness was disputed but one of the themes for young players in the NFL is learning better work habits, consistent effort, etc. Haven't heard a whiff of laziness about him from his time with the Texans.

If that was tongue in cheek, please disregard.
 
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