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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Trade for melvin gordon........... straight up? One year rental. Maybe beg for a 4 rounder.

Clowney not gonna sign here. Whey the hell would he? He knows BOB does not have his interest in mind. No discounts here baby!
 
So the scenario is gonna be... Texans start season... Clowneys holds out... O'Brien gets fired at 0-2 start of regular season... Clowney comes back... Season ends... Caserio becomes GM...signs Clowney?
 
infantrycak said:
There's no guarantee the Patriots will want to keep him thru the draft.

Wtf on why bring him in? To hopefully have a top GM for the future. Just because you csn muddle by doesn't mean you pass up improvement.
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Hey Cak what's you thoughts on the Pats asking price for Caserio ? Would a second round pick secure him for the Texans ?
 
infantrycak said:
There's no guarantee the Patriots will want to keep him thru the draft.

Wtf on why bring him in? To hopefully have a top GM for the future. Just because you csn muddle by doesn't mean you pass up improvement.
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Well presumably we want him on the recommendation of O'Brien, and he was interested in interviewing because they are friends.

If OBrien is gone then why are we using his recommendation? Why would caserio come?

Not to mention if we are looking for a new regime with a new head coach, I'd rather just look for a really good head coach rather than caserio who had vague responsibilities
 
TheKDog said:
Well presumably we want him on the recommendation of O'Brien, and he was interested in interviewing because they are friends.

If OBrien is gone then why are we using his recommendation? Why would caserio come?

Not to mention if we are looking for a new regime with a new head coach, I'd rather just look for a really good head coach rather than caserio who had vague responsibilities
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Caserio has been a hot item for teams for years now. Whether he’s worth it or not I don’t know and neither does anyone else but don’t act like the Texans are trying to hire some random guy off the street just on BoBs say so.

He and BoB being friends is why we are considered the front runners to get him and are said to have the best chance of luring him away from NE. Also everyone in NE has “vague responsibilities” except BB and position coaches. If you are in the front office in NE your job is whatever BB wants you to do.
 
maverick512000 said:
Caserio has been a hot item for teams for years now. Whether he’s worth it or not I don’t know and neither does anyone else but don’t act like the Texans are trying to hire some random guy off the street just on BoBs say so.

He and BoB being friends is why we are considered the front runners to get him and are said to have the best chance of luring him away from NE. Also everyone in NE has “vague responsibilities” except BB and position coaches. If you are in the front office in NE your job is whatever BB wants you to do.
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Are you really expecting KDog to objectively make sense?
 
maverick512000 said:
Caserio has been a hot item for teams for years now. Whether he’s worth it or not I don’t know and neither does anyone else but don’t act like the Texans are trying to hire some random guy off the street just on BoBs say so.

He and BoB being friends is why we are considered the front runners to get him and are said to have the best chance of luring him away from NE. Also everyone in NE has “vague responsibilities” except BB and position coaches. If you are in the front office in NE your job is whatever BB wants you to do.
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The only times I've heard of him as a hot item is obrien going after him. I never heard of him before a couple years ago .There have been many GM openings in recent years and guys like Wolf or Highsmith get more hype. Packers didn't even request to interview caserio for their opening

Also if we move on from Bob we should do a real search, not just hire one of Bob's friends. What does he know about leading a franchise anyway?

A recent report said it wouldn't be surprising to see caserio sign an extension anyway

Hiring a guy just because he did stuff for belichik is how we ended up with the current clown
 
TheKDog said:
The only times I've heard of him as a hot item is obrien going after him. I never heard of him before a couple years ago .There have been many GM openings in recent years and guys like Wolf or Highsmith get more hype. Packers didn't even request to interview caserio for their opening

Also if we move on from Bob we should do a real search, not just hire one of Bob's friends. What does he know about leading a franchise anyway?

A recent report said it wouldn't be surprising to see caserio sign an extension anyway

Hiring a guy just because he did stuff for belichik is how we ended up with the current clown
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Eliot Wolf and Alonzo Highsmith? What did you just go to the Browns website and look at who’s on their staff. If they are so hyped why is neither of them a GM or ever had been a GM. They’re good at what they do but they are no more proven than Caserio. Who, by the way, would have been named the Fins GM back in 14 if they had let him fire the HC.
 
thunderkyss said:
This was also my understanding. I thought Caserio was our front runner because he & BO'b had history.

Lose Solder, lose Brown... demonstrates a knack for trading down... this is the guy we want?
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Those were BB decisions and you know it. The person with the final say on anything in NE is BB until Kraft says otherwise. I don’t know if Caserio would be good or not but people like Kdog are condemning him simply because he knows and is friends with BoB.
 
JB said:
You really think Caserio made the call there? And if he did, probably a good one
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Let's say he didn't.

Still not seeing a shining star here. New England hasn't had the best drafts. & as far as finding players to fit their system, I give a lot of credit to the coaching staff for coaching what they have & not what they wish they had.

If I'm looking for a GM who can "find me another Wes Welker" by all means, let's get Caserio. If I'm looking for another guy to bring another piece of the NE puzzle (maybe the missing piece, because something is definitely missing) to go with BO'b, RAC, & Easterby, by all means, let's get Caserio.

But if we pull the plug on BO'b... let's shtcan the whole NE South thing we got going. It's time For East-Seattle
 
maverick512000 said:
Those were BB decisions and you know it. The person with the final say on anything in NE is BB until Kraft says otherwise. I don’t know if Caserio would be good or not but people like Kdog are condemning him simply because he knows and is friends with BoB.
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I actually agree they were Belichicks calls.

So what does Caserio do and why is he qualified to be GM?
 
maverick512000 said:
Eliot Wolf and Alonzo Highsmith? What did you just go to the Browns website and look at who’s on their staff. If they are so hyped why is neither of them a GM or ever had been a GM. They’re good at what they do but they are no more proven than Caserio. Who, by the way, would have been named the Fins GM back in 14 if they had let him fire the HC.
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There have been several GM changes the last few years. How many teams requested to interview caserio?
 
I think they just want Caserio because he "looks" like a jock or a brute or however else you'd describe his face...
He gots that "Power suit, Power tie, Power steering" kinda look... Checkout John Dorsey and his DEEP ass demonic voice
It's dominate and with Caserio I feel the Texan feel they can just PROJECT the image of being successful and it'll happen but
THIS AIN'T NEW ENGLAND, BABY!!!
This is the SOUTH (Or Mid-west)
We are BEASTS... Texans should go after John Dorsey if anything... Not Caserio but don't mind me...
 
Pharaohcious said:
Guess your right...
I'm just tryna point out the skill set in John Dorsey compared to Pretty boy caserio
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You realize Dorsey got fired by KC despite 3 of 4 years in the playoffs because he screwed their cap up & rubbed everyone the wrong way?

And every Wolf, Ozzie, Dorsey was once a Caserio. I am by no means wedded to Caserio. I just like the Texans targeting someone instead of settling.
 
Texans' strange front office leads to Jadeveon Clowney dreams in Detroit
The Houston Texans have had a bizarre offseason, and as a result, a team like the Detroit Lions could get lucky and capitalize on the chaos.

Houston owner Cal McNair, who inherited the team from his father Bob when he passed away last year, rashly fired GM Brian Gaine in June after less than 18 months on the job. No specific reasons were ever cited, but the generally accepted story is thatGaine lacked vision and action.
On Wednesday, the Texans revealed they will not immediately replace Gaine. Houston will operate without a functioning GM in 2019, instead relying on assigning more responsibilities to three current front office staffers in various capacities.

It’s a bold strategy, particularly when the team has an ongoing contractual squabble with star EDGE Jadeveon Clowney. And that’s where the Lions come in.

Clowney needs a new deal. The three-time Pro Bowler (each of the last three years) has until Monday to reach a long-term agreement with the team or else he will play the 2019 season on the franchise tag. If the two sides don’t come to a new deal, Clowney will become a free agent after the year ends. Few expect a new deal, and Clowney has already declared he will sit out training camp and the preseason without a big new contract.

It’s where the Lions found themselves with Ziggy Ansaha year ago, except Clowney is both healthy and still an ascending player at 26. And Clowney is an absolutely perfect fit for the Lions “multiple” defense under Matt Patricia and Paul Pasqualone.
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https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/12/texans-front-office-jadeveon-clowney-detroit-lions/
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I dunno thought this was a thread about JD Clowney, and if so looks like its digressed a bit ?
No matter just marking time until TC starts, so anyway here's a little something. I bet Matt Patricia would have fun using JD in his D.
 
Detroit Lions have no package that I'm interested in. They lost their chance by not offering picks before the draft
 
thunderkyss said:
I'll take future picks... preferably in a draft we have a GM in, but I'm not picky.
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Not I and here's why: Clowney is too important to let go without something significant to benefit team this season. Of course depending on the offer we need to have a plan to replace him now. To keep my posts more readily available to me, I will continue to add trade suggestions in my off season thread. A combo package is what I want.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
Interesting camp Clowney is at, Peppers and other pros helping him with pass moves. Happy to see this and they say he is humble and open minded

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...ney-honing-pass-rush-skills-with-14091071.php
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Some really good quotes from the article:

"Sometimes, it takes different players different times to take that next step," Smith said. "Everybody matures at a different rate. His potential is off the charts. Now, he's putting in a different kind of work with his skills. The pass rush training is going to pay big dividends and increase his pass rushing IQ. This is a different way of looking at pass rushing so it resonates more. He's around guys who have had success and are proven. I'm really excited about Jadeveon.
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"I thought JD was a humble guy who is really open to learning new stuff," said Smith...I think he's going to have a good year. He has added some signature pass rushing moves.
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I used to look forward to the defense taking the field back as a Vikings fan w/ Chris Doleman and Keith Millard getting after the qb. There wasn't much opposing teams could do w/ that pressure. If JD can take his pass rush to the next level, it's going to be a lot of fun to watch.
 
Max said:
Some really good quotes from the article:





I used to look forward to the defense taking the field back as a Vikings fan w/ Chris Doleman and Keith Millard getting after the qb. There wasn't much opposing teams could do w/ that pressure. If JD can take his pass rush to the next level, it's going to be a lot of fun to watch.
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May be exactly the kind of thing BO'b was pushing him to.
 
badboy said:
Not I and here's why: Clowney is too important to let go without something significant to benefit team this season. Of course depending on the offer we need to have a plan to replace him now. To keep my posts more readily available to me, I will continue to add trade suggestions in my off season thread. A combo package is what I want.
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Tell me, why is it about this season?

Cletus made the decision to build thru the draft rather than use the draft/FA to really improve the team while Watson is on his rookie contract. Since the Texans aren't going to win a SB or be true contenders next season they might as well do something the Texans org has never done before, (Build for the future.) trading Clowney where you can get optimal value for him is the way to go.

Think of the Clowney situation this way, what would Luhnow/Morey do? Everything is about maximizing assets to those guys. Something that Cletus could learn if he hired a competent GM.
 
thunderkyss said:
I really don't think BO'b is capable of high level mind games. I was being sarcastic.
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What no one seems to understand is that we've only seen the first half of the film w/ BOB where he's laying down the law and implementing the four pass rule (even if there's a wide open layup to be had). Everyone is skeptical until Jimmy Chitwood er Jadeveon Clowney comes late into the picture and convinces everyone that BOB was right all along -- square pegs really do fit into round holes. The team rallies around BOB to save his ass and they go on to remarkable success. The second half of the movie is about to start any year now.
 
steelbtexan said:
Think of the Clowney situation this way, what would Luhnow/Morey do? Everything is about maximizing assets to those guys.
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Luhnow and Morey don't put their organizations in positions like this. And I would say that both are more about winning than anything else. I've never seen either GM trade a productive, star player when the team was trying to contend. At least not without getting an even better player in return. And they certainly wouldn't deal a key player without having an answer for a replacement.

In other words, no freaking way would Luhnow or Morey deal Clowney now.
 
Lucky said:
Luhnow and Morey don't put their organizations in positions like this. And I would say that both are more about winning than anything else. I've never seen either GM trade a productive, star player when the team was trying to contend. At least not without getting an even better player in return. And they certainly wouldn't deal a key player without having an answer for a replacement.

In other words, no freaking way would Luhnow or Morey deal Clowney now.
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What do you mean by the bolded words? Is that something that only pertains to baseball & basketball? Sounds exciting.

Contend... gives me goosebumps
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me, why is it about this season?

Cletus made the decision to build thru the draft rather than use the draft/FA to really improve the team while Watson is on his rookie contract. Since the Texans aren't going to win a SB or be true contenders next season they might as well do something the Texans org has never done before, (Build for the future.) trading Clowney where you can get optimal value for him is the way to go.

Think of the Clowney situation this way, what would Luhnow/Morey do? Everything is about maximizing assets to those guys. Something that Cletus could learn if he hired a competent GM.
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As usual there is much about your premise that I disagree with. First I don't think Cal had much say in the draft. My opinion, Gaines ineptness in the draft was why Cal fired Gaine. My plan as I have stated it, does not ignore this season as you would have us do and brings in more picks for future. Running back like Jacobs that I have proposed would tremendously impact the future. I also disagree with you as I think the Texans can be a contender.
 
Lucky said:
Luhnow and Morey don't put their organizations in positions like this. And I would say that both are more about winning than anything else. I've never seen either GM trade a productive, star player when the team was trying to contend. At least not without getting an even better player in return. And they certainly wouldn't deal a key player without having an answer for a replacement.

In other words, no freaking way would Luhnow or Morey deal Clowney now.
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Agreed

But don't kid yourself, before this yrs draft if Morey/Luhnow were in charge Clowney wouldn't be a Texan now and there would be more picks and FA cash to spend. Unlike the Texans org the Luhnow/Morey run orgs are all about winning.
 
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