CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It is no myth that the long-term success of your QB will affect so many aspects determining your team's success.
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The Importance of Finding a Franchise QB
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
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Yeah, but that is how you end up with game managers and mediocrity for years. You can't just stand pat waiting for the next Andrew Luck to fall into your lap. You have to do your evaluations, pick someone, and go for it. Sure you might fail, but at least you also might win.
Of course, it is easier to succeed at this with a competent GM, scouting, etc.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I disagree. The difference between the elites and the non elites is pretty big. I've gone over this again and again on this board and there is almost always an elite QB playing in the SB every year on one of the teams. The worst kind of QB's that you can have are those guys that are barely above average or that are just good. Those are the guys you end up over paying when their contracts are due and you end up going years having to realize that the guy can't get you over the hump and can't be that guy in the post season. Schaub was that guy. Andy Dalton is that guy for the Bengals now. Tony Romo is that guy for the Cowboys. To me, these are the worst kind of guys you can have, because you'll stop searching for a franchise QB, because they are just good enough to not warrant going after a QB or getting rid of them, but they'll never be good enough to win a Sb unless the rest of the team is awesome. It can happen, but it is a much more difficult battle.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
So what exactly is the definition of a franchise QB? And how many currently exists?
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I think the problem is that fewer & fewer schools are actually preparing these kids for being NFL QBs. They're interested in winning & the college game is really fundamentally different, so much that what wins in college, doesn't necessarily win in the NFL.
I know the league seems to be moving towards that college style of play, but the concentration of talent at the pro level is so dense... it's difficult to win with these guys coming straight out of college.
The next part of the problem is when coaches get these kids, they're not very honest about what needs to be done to get them ready & how much time it's going to take to get them there.
We were lucky, I think, that we got Kubiak & he was able to take a guy like Schaub, build a team around him & win a few games. So far, the Titans & Jags haven't been able to do that despite drafting first round QBs.
As much as Schaub was not the guy, this team fell hard when he was no longer the guy he was.
So you only pick a guaranteed franchise quarterback like Peyton, Luck, or Leaf rather than take a shot with a non-franchise QB coming out of college like Roethlisberger?
The Texans only get to pick first 25% of the drafts they've been in. Even at that astronomical rate it could take a long time for the stars to align.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Today's CBA allows a team to sign a "good" QB in first round and keep him reasonable money for five years and during that time select a Savage type with size & skills set to work into a starter. Hopefully, during that 5 years a very good or better QB should come along. If you are a top 15 team, few "franchise" guys will be available. I don't think Houston stopped looking, but had other spots to fill that kept them with Schaub.
corytx8
Rookie
Some point you have to roll the dice and take a risk on someone. We have seen in many cases that good QBs can be found throughout the draft. Even ellite guys aren't winning super bowls every year. I want a guy who is going to get us to the playoffs and from there let the stars align.
Scooter
Funky
i take BPA and build my roster, and then take a rodgers or roethlisberger or flacco if they land on my wheel. and i most certainly dont allow my coaches to toss them into a junk situation in order to save jobs (carr, mettenberger and bortles). otherwise, i keep building the roster and coaching up prospects who fit in the 2nd+ like wilson or kaep or foles or hoyer. or build the roster and grab a free agent if he gets away like manning or palmer or alex smith.
look at the NFC west. worst bunch in football. now? best division in the league without a first rounder on the field.
there's a common theme here. teams built without sinking themselves in search of "THAT GUY". tim tebow (a "go for it" pick that you suggest, that deservedly got his coach fired) took an exceptionally talented team to the second round of the playoffs. a free agent became available and the same team is in the superbowl 2 years later. the perpetual mediocre and bottom teams? weak rosters that spend all of their energy trying to find the perfect quarterback and coach.
the 2011 draft is a perfect example. the talent across the field was insane, potentially the greatest first round (and possibly class) ever - in which we landed the best in jj watt. probowlers and monsters up and down the first round of the draft. however, there were 3 quarterbacks that "fail teams" went for, because you know, quarterback is quarterback. gabbart, locker and ponder.
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