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The Davis is a good back myth

Erratic Assassin said:
Great running backs aren't nearly as rare you might think.
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Not real rare but only two or three come out a year, and we don't have one. Bush may be rare enough that I wouldn't trade out of he pick unless we could get a veteran starter and a couple of firsts. Dom Davis only starts for about 5-6 NFL teams.
 
As a take how you want to comment:

DomDavis has been featured as the centerpiece of the Texans offense for the last three years.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
As a take how you want to comment:

DomDavis has been featured as the centerpiece of the Texans offense for the last three years.
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The worst offense in the NFL is where I take that one. :ok:

I know, I know...its all the lines fault!!
 
Daonly said:
Stats don't mean nothing when you don't punch it in.. yeah he rank 12th in yards etc etc etc, but Dead last like 30th in rushing td's in the NFL 28th in the NFC, so my point is we need GREATNESS! Not some ohh he good enough, he'll do, For all you Don't Draft Bush likes, when bush wins ROY honors and makes his 1st probowl, don't root for him now, don't act like you have been for him to be on our team, just willjump ship and become a cowboys fan.
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You say that stats don't matter but the best teams in the Nfl are the at the top of the list.If we keep thinking this way we and not address the real problems that have been overlooked for 4 years we will end up with a real exciting RB and still be 1-12 1-13 1-14. I want us to do what will give us the best chance of playing at a high level in the NFL. We need a OL. Why is it so hard to see the light.
If come draft day westill have the 1st pick and we take RB I will not be happy but I won't complain about it in open forums.
 
zeplin said:
We need a OL. Why is it so hard to see the light.
If come draft day westill have the 1st pick and we take RB I will not be happy but I won't complain about it in open forums.
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You cannot draft an O-line with one draft pick. Unless we get something ridiculous we need to take the best player in the draft. We can work on securing some linemen via FA and in the second round. Heck, Ferguson is the best Tackle in the draft and he is not a very good run blocker. You don't want incomplete players with your 50 million dollar top 5 pick.
 
I never said that one pick would fix the OL line . I said that we need to focus on that reality. We don't even know what pick we will get in the draft. But I do know Reggie is not enough to fix our problems either.Good teams keep the good players FA has not fixed the problem over the last 4 years and I do not think that it will fix it this offseason.
 
zeplin said:
But I do know Reggie is not enough to fix our problems either.
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One player is never enough to fix bad teams problems but getting great players to build a unit around is one of the ways out of the hole. We only have 1 feared player on offense - Andre Johnson. It's way too easy to shut this team down when teams take away AJ. I think we can find a good enough Guard in FA, and a Tackle in the 2nd round like the Jags did last year in Khalif Barnes.
 
zeplin said:
You say that stats don't matter but the best teams in the Nfl are the at the top of the list.If we keep thinking this way we and not address the real problems that have been overlooked for 4 years we will end up with a real exciting RB and still be 1-12 1-13 1-14. I want us to do what will give us the best chance of playing at a high level in the NFL. We need a OL. Why is it so hard to see the light.
If come draft day westill have the 1st pick and we take RB I will not be happy but I won't complain about it in open forums.
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Yeah that's right we need D. Brick, He can only Run and pass block for himself, That's, OK Other Teams says will Still BUM RUSH! The other 4 Slow Jerks you have, and still get to lame duck Carr, because D. Davis will get his stats but they wont see no where close to the redzone, Carr don't have any weapons to throw to,(AJ is double covered up to his neck) ! D. Davis is OK, but we need more; besides if there was a top flight WR in the draft I'll be like take him, but Noooooo there's Not one. So we must take Reggie Bush, because he can do more on the field than D. Brick can; because the OL is a scheme it's takes all lineman on the field to work together, not just one person going to make a difference on the OL. That's why there are later rounds, free agency, trades, New Coaches with new x'o's and motivation can get this line to where it needs to be.
 
Vinny said:
One player is never enough to fix bad teams problems but getting great players to build a unit around is one of the ways out of the hole. We only have 1 feared player on offense - Andre Johnson. It's way too easy to shut this team down when teams take away AJ. I think we can find a good enough Guard in FA, and a Tackle in the 2nd round like the Jags did last year in Khalif Barnes.
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Vinny I completely agree with you. I really don't see why we can't draft Reggie with the first pick and the best Tackle or Guard with the second (Justice, Jean Gilles, Scott, Joseph). Is that much worse trading down a few picks to draft the best tackle in the draft, who is not an Orlando Pace or Jonathan Ogden type talent and then adding some more second tier talent at other positions?
 
tulexan said:
Vinny I completely agree with you. I really don't see why we can't draft Reggie with the first pick and the best Tackle or Guard with the second (Justice, Jean Gilles, Scott, Joseph). Is that much worse trading down a few picks to draft the best tackle in the draft, who is not an Orlando Pace or Jonathan Ogden type talent and then adding some more second tier talent at other positions?
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My thoughts exactly....Bush with the first and get some very good talent for the OL in the second...if not then find a way to trade back into the first and get AJ Hawk. Who knows, it will be interesting to see if we cant trade back into the first for d' brick or winston. Wouldnt that be something.
 
texan279 said:
I'm not saying he is a threat like a franchise back, but he is a serviceable solid RB like you said, I was just saying he can take a dump pass to the house.
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But he doesnt take it to the house:

1st Receiving TD:
Domanick Davis 3 Yd Pass From David Carr

2nd Receiving TD (This is his only long one where he made things happen in his 154 career catches): Domanick Davis 27 Yd Pass From David Carr

3rd Receiving TD (This one the Rams were stupid and had a DE covering him and he just caught the ball and took it to the house after the DE fell down trying to break up the pass. He better take this to the house): Domanick Davis 30 Yd Pass From David Carr

4th Receiving TD:
Domanick Davis 3 Yd Pass From David Carr

So I have to wait for every 154 catches (or every 77 catches if you disagree with the Rams statement) to get 1 play where he creates something and takes it the distance???
 
Look at today's game. Knowone has gotten close to Carr yet that i have seen. Morency has broken run. The cardinals cant keep 8 IN THE BOX. If it stays like this we will win. Our pass blocking today has been great. Carr has all the time in the world to throw the ball. THen again i dont see too many blitzs. Now if we could only block a good team.
 
Daonly said:
Stats don't mean nothing when you don't punch it in.. yeah he rank 12th in yards etc etc etc, but Dead last like 30th in rushing td's in the NFL 28th in the NFC, so my point is we need GREATNESS! Not some ohh he good enough, he'll do, For all you Don't Draft Bush likes, when bush wins ROY honors and makes his 1st probowl, don't root for him now, don't act like you have been for him to be on our team, just jump ship and become a cowboys fan.
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28 total TDs in 40 career games.

If you're basing your argument on the lack of TDs from Davis just this year, you've got a dumb argument.
 
I don't understand what kind of argument would satisfy a DD fan but I do know this; This is not a Garison Hearst or even a Marshall Faulk, Bush is a Gale Sayers, damn near a Mike Vick at running back. Davis held it down but truth of the matter is you don't pass up Derek Jeter because Everett has a good glove or Tracy McGrady because we nicknamed Francis Franchise. When you have a chance to get a special and I do mean SPECIAL player you do it.
 
DD, a decent good back in the NFL. Can put up 200 yards in Total Offense for you


Jonathan Wells, tough, can block, finishes off runs.


Reggie who? Oh yeah that unproven small 200 pounder who might be able to take a full 16 game NFL season with legit NFL hits rather than the 10 or 11 game College season where he shares time with a better prototypical 230 pound running back named Linelle White.

I would pass on Bush (or take him and trade him) and pick up White the following year.

Bush might be all they say, who knows, I just dont think we need him.
 
I could see if he was 170 pounds to call him small, but he is listed at 200 and will probably be 10 or 15 pounds heavier once he is in the NFL.

People sure are looking for ways to discredit him.
 
tulexan said:
I could see if he was 170 pounds to call him small, but he is listed at 200 and will probably be 10 or 15 pounds heavier once he is in the NFL.

People sure are looking for ways to discredit him.
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Its not that, I hear he is actually 195 and I am just cautious. I cant say he will stink, but asking questions is not looking for way to discredit him.
 
ok so he is 195. if he gains 15 pounds, which he should considering he has gained 15 pounds since entering USC, he will be 210 pounds.

tiki barber is 5'10 200, and he is doing fine. warrick dunn is even smaller.
 
7thSaint said:
I don't understand what kind of argument would satisfy a DD fan but I do know this; This is not a Garison Hearst or even a Marshall Faulk, Bush is a Gale Sayers, damn near a Mike Vick at running back. Davis held it down but truth of the matter is you don't pass up Derek Jeter because Everett has a good glove or Tracy McGrady because we nicknamed Francis Franchise. When you have a chance to get a special and I do mean SPECIAL player you do it.
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Yes, until next year's extra special player that will be in draft. There is one every year.
 
Goldeagle said:
DD, a decent good back in the NFL. Can put up 200 yards in Total Offense for you


Jonathan Wells, tough, can block, finishes off runs.


Reggie who? Oh yeah that unproven small 200 pounder who might be able to take a full 16 game NFL season with legit NFL hits rather than the 10 or 11 game College season where he shares time with a better prototypical 230 pound running back named Linelle White.

I would pass on Bush (or take him and trade him) and pick up White the following year.

Bush might be all they say, who knows, I just dont think we need him.
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how many times has DD gained 200 total yards in his career?
 
tulexan said:
ok so he is 195. if he gains 15 pounds, which he should considering he has gained 15 pounds since entering USC, he will be 210 pounds.

tiki barber is 5'10 200, and he is doing fine. warrick dunn is even smaller.
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Yes, would you draft Tiki or Warrick first though?

I say pass him and if you need a back get Lindell White from USC.

And the big guys last year were Ced Benson, Ronnie Brown and Alex Smith.
 
stevo3883 said:
how many times has DD gained 200 total yards in his career?
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I believe last week he had 190

Vs jax he had 158 and 31 rec yds = 189
and in week 14 he had 139 with 50 rec yards = 189




That is the last couple of games. As far as Career, eh, cant really find individual game stats for all his games
 
There is a big difference between the best player in the draft and one of the best players in several drafts.

Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, and Alex Smith were all the best players in the draft that year but none of them were being labeled as potentially one of the best ever.
 
But still, why is it a big deal to have questions against Reggie Bush? Ive noticed if you question anything about Bush, it is like you are dogging the guy, which I am just asking the questions. I dont see him helping us and I have my doubts but it seems like you cant point out some negatives.
 
tulexan said:
There is a big difference between the best player in the draft and one of the best players in several drafts.

Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, and Alex Smith were all the best players in the draft that year but none of them were being labeled as potentially one of the best ever.
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Very true, the hype (and it is hype, not substance) is all for Bush. I remember hype for lots of guys who never did anything, Tony Madrich, the GREATEST lineman to ever come out of the draft!
 
Goldeagle said:
I believe last week he had 190

Vs jax he had 158 and 31 rec yds = 189
and in week 14 he had 139 with 50 rec yards = 189




That is the last couple of games. As far as Career, eh, cant really find individual game stats for all his games
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he has 1 game in his career over 200 total yards, 201 against Indy last year.
 
Goldeagle said:
Very true, the hype (and it is hype, not substance) is all for Bush. I remember hype for lots of guys who never did anything, Tony Madrich, the GREATEST lineman to ever come out of the draft!
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Really? I always thought Tony Mandrich was the GREATEST lineman to ever come out of a bottle.

When he stopped the roids he became mortal mighty quick.
 
Goldeagle said:
Very true, the hype (and it is hype, not substance) is all for Bush. I remember hype for lots of guys who never did anything, Tony Madrich, the GREATEST lineman to ever come out of the draft!
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So it is hype that has made his average touchdown length 31.9 yards? Is it hype which gave him over 2600 all purpose yards this season? Maybe it is hype which makes him average over 200 yards per game. I guess you are right, the guy has no substance and is pure hype. None of his statistics are impressive at all and because he plays in the Pac-10 he must be vastly overrated. I mean who has USC beaten in the past 3 years?
 
Why do people keep saying Bush is great because he so versatile and can line up in the slot and catch passes and such, but when they talk about Domanick Davis they only mention his rushing stats and leave out his receiving stats which comprise about 1/3 of his total yards and 4 out of his 6 TDs this season?
 
MorKnolle said:
Why do people keep saying Bush is great because he so versatile and can line up in the slot and catch passes and such, but when they talk about Domanick Davis they only mention his rushing stats and leave out his receiving stats which comprise about 1/3 of his total yards and 4 out of his 6 TDs this season?
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because there is a difference in lining up in the slot and running actual routes, and catching a dumpoff pass at the LOS because the guy you were supposed to block beat you and Carr is running for his life.
 
we used to have plays where DD would go in motion and line up as a wideout. but for some reason that has been scratched.
 
ccdude730 said:
we used to have plays where DD would go in motion and line up as a wideout. but for some reason that has been scratched.
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thats because of Pendry and what the other losers name O ya Palmer
 
Daonly said:
Stats don't mean nothing when you don't punch it in.. yeah he rank 12th in yards etc etc etc, but Dead last like 30th in rushing td's in the NFL 28th in the NFC, so my point is we need GREATNESS! Not some ohh he good enough, he'll do, For all you Don't Draft Bush likes, when bush wins ROY honors and makes his 1st probowl, don't root for him now, don't act like you have been for him to be on our team, just jump ship and become a cowboys fan.
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OK, so scoring means everything--got it. Thank you from Domanick Davis 6th in rushing TD's in 2004 ahead of evidently clearly inferior RB's (I mean wouldn't want to get distracted by watching film, looking at how the back is used, anything else) such as Willis McGahee, Rudi Johnson, Curtis Martin, Larry Johnson, Deuce McAllister, Cory Dillon, Ahman Green, etc. You can't have it both ways and want to go off scoring alone. Fact is DD is a solid non-elite RB. He can be upgraded, but there is no reason to be an a-hole and run him down either.
 
stevo3883 said:
because there is a difference in lining up in the slot and running actual routes, and catching a dumpoff pass at the LOS because the guy you were supposed to block beat you and Carr is running for his life.
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Thanks for once again displaying you either don't watch the games or don't pay attention. 99% of the time when DD catches those release passes he has either come clean or chipped--it isn't that he has whiffed on a block. Yes he is inconsistant to bad at blocking, but on most of his receptions, anything more than a chip wasn't expected of him.
 
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