Davis is good but he's surely not a top 10 back. He was drafted into a position where he had the chance to come in and take over the RB position. Who was his coemption? Stacy Freckin Mack of all people. Davis was a 4th round pick; so doing his best on the field was more of an incentive thing plus to get his fatty contract. Now he's the star running back got his fatty contract now we was on cruise control. With all the talk about Reggie Bush coming to the Texans just like Cedric Benson, now all of a sudden he wants to do his job a little better. I don't see why people are in love with Davis just like there first love in high school. In today's game you cant judge a back on pure yards anymore (1000 yards). Davis has only scored 2 touchdowns this year. He's even top 30 in the entire NFL; He's 28th in the AFC; granted he has 4 receiving Touchdown, a couple of them if and when we get in the red zone. He's injury prone as well. We need player who when every time they touch the ball they look to score and who play the game to win first and foremost; also who is a threat to take it back every time they touch the ball and the Defense knows that and they respects him cause he can. We need a RB! (Reggie Bush.)
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The Davis is a good back myth
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Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
He is not paid top 10 back money so why should your expectations be top 10 performance?
Because everybody and they momma here have said he's a top 10 back which is not the case; and of course if he's not being paid top 10 money then I guess he's not as good as everyone make him out to be; I guess they need to start thinking about drafting someone who can be a top 10 back; not a fourth round back who just got lucky and have a few stats but can't get into the endzone. Which is why they play the game to score and win.
run-david-run
All Pro
He had as many yds from scrimmage as LaDannian Freaking Tomlison last season (1770)!!! Maybe that's why people thought he was a good back!!! He also had 14 TD's, this season he is on pace for his best year in terms of rushing yds, he has 976 with 3 games remaning, he could easaly make or surpass 1300 yds.. not bad for a back playing with the worst passing game in the entire NFL!!!
Jack Bauer
Rookie
Daonly said:
This is funny. DD was number 7 in the NFL in rushing touchdowns last year. He was number 9 in total touchdowns! This has been a horrible year for the entire team. I am not going to judge DD on his touchdowns this year. He has proven he can get into the endzone.
And this year he is number 12 in the entire NFL in rushing despite the fact that he has missed two game!
Even with these facts, I think Reggie Bush would be an outstanding addition to our team.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Daonly said:
It is about value. You value a player who has never played an NFL game and are willing to pay him tens of millions of dollars for a position that has a short career expectancy. DD puts up top 10 numbers in different cartegories.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
That's not accurate. DD has his detractors but he certainly has a big base of fans that appreciate his hard working blue collar – slashing style. You see many people post their Davis-love but he is an easy guy to like. Dom IS a "good back". He is a NFL starting caliber running back and has proven this in his first 3 years. He is not an elite back or a Franchise caliber back, but he is certainly a good back. The big problem with Dom is that the team over-uses him and he needs to only carry the ball 15 or so times with 6-7 receptions to stay healthy, fresh and effective in a 16 game NFL regular season. Lord forbid if we ever made the playoffs Dom would be useless by then since he always seems to have wear and tear issues since we don’t make an honest effort to rotate the backs.Daonly said:
I have come around on Dom this last year and value him much more than I have in the past. While he isn't an elite back that teams have to alter their game plans for he is in the group that is the "best of the rest" when it comes to his running skills. He has too many fatal flaws to be an elite back. He is a poor blocker and while his good hands help the passing game he is as useless a blocker as I’ve seen in any starter in the NFL in a while. He doesn't have enough speed to slow down the pass rush on the swing pass so teams are not afraid to pin their ears back when Dom is in the game in passing situations. Teams just play loose zones underneath and keep him in front of them since he really isn't much of a TD threat unless we are inside the red zone, and teams know he is as useless as a toaster if he stays into block.
Bottom line is that Dom has proven his worth and he plays hard and gives us everything he has. He has limitations but he is no underachiever. I’d still like to have a franchise caliber back, but Dom makes a dynamite complimentary back….we just overuse him in a primary capacity.
I agree with Vinny. DD is a good back. Sure, he's got limitations and is not durable enough to be our only horse, but he's good enough to probably start for half the teams in the league. The problem is that he's all we've got on offense that produces week in/out, and we're wearing him down. Mix in a consistent passing game and another RB like him to platoon, and we'd have something to seriously talk about with our offense.
Touttail Im from Baytown, but i live in Los angeles, be home next week for the holidays, anyways;what im saying is yeah he got stats, he got stats last year that's all good, but this year when he got (PAID) it seems like he fell off.Stats don't win football games, we need somone who can punch it in for wins! The only stats that counts as a RB is scoring!!! You can't score you can't win! Period. Texans Defense last year won us games; and kept it close;not our offense. They let some key guys go, now we bottom of the barrell again.
I guess we're missing your point?Daonly said:
You admit it was the Defense that kept them in games last year, right? We cut our two biggest veteran Deensive leaders, our passing game is in the toilet, and this is somehow DD's fault for not "stepping it up"? How is he supposed to do better when EVERYONE knows he's the ONLY weapon we've got right now?
HardKnockTexan
Rookie
I'd have to disagree with the whole scoring issue. It is nice to be able to have a back to punch it into the endzone but look at Duce Staley last year. He'd get it to the goal line and Jerome Bettis would get it into the endzone. Its all in how you use your personel.
sprtsfanatic
Veteran
touttail said:
So do all of the other top 15 picks so that as an arguement is lame, ridiculous, and holds no water...but for some reason its the only thing that keeps you from wanting us to draft Bush.....so if you are going to convince anyone otherwise try and use a better arguement than that.
sprtsfanatic
Veteran
ccdude730 said:
So your telling me you would rather have all that money tied up in a few more players that are no where near the talent that Bush is???
Its simple...cuz he's worth it...he is the best player in this draft and his talent and his worth warrants the money. If he wasnt worth the hype he wouldnt put up the numbers that he does nor would he be talked about by anyone...Bush is the closest thing to a "sure thing" coming out of this draft. Whether or not we NEED that with our team is left to be seen, but dont try and convince people that we shouldnt give him top 5 pick money because he's barely coming out of college....every draft pick is coming out of college so that arguement IS RIDICULOUS. If it wasnt then we shouldnt pay any of the draft picks (should we trade down) any of the money either because they havent played one down in the NFL and havent proven themselves...now you tell me how that sounds....yup your right...it sounds RIDICULOUS.
Fiddy
All Pro
I'm one of the biggest Davis "bashers," but even I'll admit he is a good back. He'll get his yards and everything but he is not a "franchise" back. You can compare stats as much as you want, but the difference between LT and Davis: teams are scared to death about LT, they arent of Davis. LT has to beat defenses who are focused on him. Teams are focused on AJ when they play us. Davis is not a threat to take a simple dump down and take it the distance, he isnt going to gash teams for long runs consistently.
And he is doing the same thing he did last year. Last year he stunk it up horribly for the first 10 games and then exploded at the end to keep his job. He is doing the same this year. Didnt do anything special the first 10 games and is now putting together a few big games in hopes of swaying the team from not upgrading the position and helping them win a game to take us out of the Bush sweepstakes. You can't win in the NFL when your back only shows up and does something special for 6 out of 16 games.
And he is doing the same thing he did last year. Last year he stunk it up horribly for the first 10 games and then exploded at the end to keep his job. He is doing the same this year. Didnt do anything special the first 10 games and is now putting together a few big games in hopes of swaying the team from not upgrading the position and helping them win a game to take us out of the Bush sweepstakes. You can't win in the NFL when your back only shows up and does something special for 6 out of 16 games.
sprtsfanatic
Veteran
ccdude730 said:
great rebuttle to your own arguement. It only proves my point.
texan279
Hall of Fame
Fiddy said:
Davis is #6 this season for yards receiving for a RB with 337 yards receiving and is 2nd in the league in TD receptions for a RB with 4 receiving TD's, and I remember one dump pass that DD took about 50 yards for a TD earlier in the season that was called back on a penalty...
ccdude730
Veteran
i was commenting on Malloy's statement.sprtsfanatic said:
i, unlike some posters, dont think that bush is a "sure thing" or that hes already got his place in canton.
we have a back who is severly overused. if we can find a bruiser or that franchise back we are set at that position. unfortunately bush does not fill that need for us. DD just got a new contract and it would seem stupid if our FO decided to draft him and award him a contract that would force us into a tight cap situation. trade davis or rework his contract? ....yeah right
put that money elsewhere like on our Oline or LB or secondary
texan279
Hall of Fame
bigTEXan8 said:
I doubt that happens...If that was they way it would go down we probably would have drafted DJ in the last draft and sold the farm to draft Sean Taylor in the draft before. If we get the 1st pick in the draft this year, Bush would give us the power to trade down and load up big time.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
ccdude730 said:
If you took the time to read the other DD threads, you would see that I actually believe that DD is overworked and subsequently more prone to injury. The Troll-feeder comment were addressed to the never-ending attempts to add fuel to the "DD is not a top 10 back" threads around. I guess you among others missed that...
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real
Guest
Thank you...
run-david-run
All Pro
All I have to say to that is watch the Seahawks game this seasonFiddy said:
mean mark8
Waterboy
Davis is a good back. I don't think anyone on this board would say we have even one pro bowl caliber o-lineman on our team yet Davis puts up good numbers. I don't think anyone on this board would say we have any creativity in our offense or in our play-calling yet Davis puts up good numbers. Anyone saying he's not any good because he was drafted in the 4th round doesn't remember Terrell Davis was drafted in the 6th round as was Tom Brady.
As for anyone who thinks Bush is a sure thing, I'd like to point out the other can't miss players like Ryan Leaf. Bush has talent, no doubt. Will that translate into a Hall of Fame pro career, only time will tell.
I'd like to point out we have 3 other backs on our roster all drafted in rounds higher than Davis: Wells - 3rd round, Hollings - 2nd round, and Morency - 3rd round. Wells is the only one who plays hard. Hollings has been an absolute bust and Morency can't seem to keep his feet on the ground long enough to break any tackles. Morency reminds me of a former #1 pick of the Broncos, Gerald Willhite, who thought he could jump over every tackler who came at him. Can we get anything from any other team for any of these 3 other backs we used higher draft picks to get? No. Would someone trade us at least a 2nd rounder for Davis? I think so. For anyone saying Davis isn't great because we couldn't get anything more for him than a 2nd rounder, look at the discount people were looking to give for Sean Alexander and Edgarrin James. These 2 pro bowlers can't even get decent contracts from their current teams.
As for anyone who thinks Bush is a sure thing, I'd like to point out the other can't miss players like Ryan Leaf. Bush has talent, no doubt. Will that translate into a Hall of Fame pro career, only time will tell.
I'd like to point out we have 3 other backs on our roster all drafted in rounds higher than Davis: Wells - 3rd round, Hollings - 2nd round, and Morency - 3rd round. Wells is the only one who plays hard. Hollings has been an absolute bust and Morency can't seem to keep his feet on the ground long enough to break any tackles. Morency reminds me of a former #1 pick of the Broncos, Gerald Willhite, who thought he could jump over every tackler who came at him. Can we get anything from any other team for any of these 3 other backs we used higher draft picks to get? No. Would someone trade us at least a 2nd rounder for Davis? I think so. For anyone saying Davis isn't great because we couldn't get anything more for him than a 2nd rounder, look at the discount people were looking to give for Sean Alexander and Edgarrin James. These 2 pro bowlers can't even get decent contracts from their current teams.
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SESupergenius
Guest
There isn't a guy on this team that had done anything so far. That argument is weak.Vinny said:
Has anyone actually looked at his ranking among the other sarting RB in the NFL.
He is ranked 12th. Do you think he has the 12th highest paycheck of all of these other RB's. I doubt it.
No OL
No Passing game
2005 Regular Season
NFL · AFC · NFC
Rushing Yards
Rank Player Team Yds Att Avg TDs Long
1 Shaun Alexander SEA 1496 303 4.9 23 88
2 Edgerrin James IND 1440 334 4.3 12 33
3 Tiki Barber NYG 1357 284 4.8 6 59
4 Larry Johnson KC 1251 247 5.1 14 46
5 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 1247 282 4.4 17 62
6 Warrick Dunn ATL 1247 242 5.2 3 65
7 Rudi Johnson CIN 1235 285 4.3 10 32
8 Clinton Portis WAS 1184 275 4.3 8 47
9 Reuben Droughns CLE 1103 262 4.2 2 75
10 Thomas Jones CHI 1077 250 4.3 7 42
11 Willis McGahee BUF 1032 271 3.8 4 27
12 Domanick Davis HOU 976 230 4.2 2 44
13 Steven Jackson STL 936 222 4.2 7 51
14 Cadillac Williams TB 924 223 4.1 5 71
15 LaMont Jordan OAK 893 247 3.6 9 26
16 Mike Anderson DEN 871 208 4.2 9 44
17 Willie Parker PIT 856 198 4.3 3 45
18 Ronnie Brown MIA 841 187 4.5 4 65
19 Chris Brown TEN 777 197 3.9 5 38
20 Tatum Bell DEN 749 127 5.9 5 68
21 Curtis Martin NYJ 735 220 3.3 5 49
22 Julius Jones DAL 685 196 3.5 3 25
23 Jamal Lewis BAL 638 203 3.1 2 25
24 Fred Taylor JAC 625 155 4.0 2 71
25 Brian Westbrook PHI 617 156 4.0 3 31
26 Corey Dillon NE 608 164 3.7 9 29
27 Kevin Jones DET 586 168 3.5 5 40
28 Kevan Barlow SF 581 176 3.3 3 29
29 DeShaun Foster CAR 571 144 4.0 1 30
30 Mewelde Moore MIN 551 137 4.0 1
He is ranked 12th. Do you think he has the 12th highest paycheck of all of these other RB's. I doubt it.
No OL
No Passing game
2005 Regular Season
NFL · AFC · NFC
Rushing Yards
Rank Player Team Yds Att Avg TDs Long
1 Shaun Alexander SEA 1496 303 4.9 23 88
2 Edgerrin James IND 1440 334 4.3 12 33
3 Tiki Barber NYG 1357 284 4.8 6 59
4 Larry Johnson KC 1251 247 5.1 14 46
5 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 1247 282 4.4 17 62
6 Warrick Dunn ATL 1247 242 5.2 3 65
7 Rudi Johnson CIN 1235 285 4.3 10 32
8 Clinton Portis WAS 1184 275 4.3 8 47
9 Reuben Droughns CLE 1103 262 4.2 2 75
10 Thomas Jones CHI 1077 250 4.3 7 42
11 Willis McGahee BUF 1032 271 3.8 4 27
12 Domanick Davis HOU 976 230 4.2 2 44
13 Steven Jackson STL 936 222 4.2 7 51
14 Cadillac Williams TB 924 223 4.1 5 71
15 LaMont Jordan OAK 893 247 3.6 9 26
16 Mike Anderson DEN 871 208 4.2 9 44
17 Willie Parker PIT 856 198 4.3 3 45
18 Ronnie Brown MIA 841 187 4.5 4 65
19 Chris Brown TEN 777 197 3.9 5 38
20 Tatum Bell DEN 749 127 5.9 5 68
21 Curtis Martin NYJ 735 220 3.3 5 49
22 Julius Jones DAL 685 196 3.5 3 25
23 Jamal Lewis BAL 638 203 3.1 2 25
24 Fred Taylor JAC 625 155 4.0 2 71
25 Brian Westbrook PHI 617 156 4.0 3 31
26 Corey Dillon NE 608 164 3.7 9 29
27 Kevin Jones DET 586 168 3.5 5 40
28 Kevan Barlow SF 581 176 3.3 3 29
29 DeShaun Foster CAR 571 144 4.0 1 30
30 Mewelde Moore MIN 551 137 4.0 1
Stats don't mean nothing when you don't punch it in.. yeah he rank 12th in yards etc etc etc, but Dead last like 30th in rushing td's in the NFL 28th in the NFC, so my point is we need GREATNESS! Not some ohh he good enough, he'll do, For all you Don't Draft Bush likes, when bush wins ROY honors and makes his 1st probowl, don't root for him now, don't act like you have been for him to be on our team, just jump ship and become a cowboys fan.
hopefully this was posted along time ago. The person who started this thread isnt seeing its not DD or the running game that is our problem. i feel like :brickwall because i cant see how come you guys cant see this. What we need OL, TE, CB/DB, maybe even a LB(depending who we sign back). Pls stop bashing DD hes not the problem. he is a good running back trying to run with 8 men in the box and sometimes 9. I mean come on this is simple math here. We get and upgrade at OL and TE i bet DD runs for 1500-1800 next season
Erratic Assassin
Rookie
sprtsfanatic said:
One player eating up that much of your salary cap might be a good idea in basketball where one player equals one-fifth of your team but not in football. How many Superbowl rings did Barry Sanders give the Lions?
I'd much rather have our salary cap spread between several above-average players than to tie it up on one player. Tedy Bruschi doesn't have as much talent as Bush, neither does Willie McGinest, or Larry Izzo, etc, but they have a nice little dynasty going on in Boston.
If Bush is a "once-in-every-forty-years" type player, what do you call Emmitt Smith? Walter Payton? Barry Sanders? Eric Dickerson? Marcus Allen? Tony Dorsett? Earl Campbell? Thurman Thomas? Marshall Faulk? LaDainian Tomlinson? Priest Holmes? Eddie George? Ricky Williams? Corey Dillon? Franco Harris? Edgerrin James? Clinton Portis? Deuce McAllister? Duce Staley? Shaun Alexander? Bo Jackson? Curtis Martin? Hershel Walker? They all played in the past 40 years.
Great running backs aren't nearly as rare you might think. The Bush hype-machine is running full steam. Instead of getting caught up in it we could be smart and take advantage of this herd mentality. Pick Bush and trade him to some sucker GM who believes the hype. Like the 12 players for Hershel Walker trade between the Vikings and Cowboys. The Cowboys were set for years.
Erratic Assassin said:
Good point... i like how you name names and show thats what 23 names in 40 years. I have too many questions right now before i say Bush is one of them. I think the O-line, TE, QB and WR will decide how good the rook will be. Remember a football player is only as good as the other 10 men on the field. If 1 is better than another looks better. Its a Domino Affect. It has to start at the QB then OL, then TE then RB/WR. you have to get protection for the QB so the running game will open up
BigDTexansFan
Rookie
Domanick Davis 11 230 20.9 976 44 4.2 88.7 2 3
started ELEVEN games and ONLY carried 230 times BUT is 24 yards from becoming...ONLY THE 15TH RUNNING BACK IN NFL HISTORY TO RUSH FOR 1,000 YARDS 1ST 3 SEASONS!!!!!!!!!!! I think some of you have been hypnotized by ESPN and think a college player who gets to play opponents like nowhere state is going to come into NFL and just run wild to that I say
started ELEVEN games and ONLY carried 230 times BUT is 24 yards from becoming...ONLY THE 15TH RUNNING BACK IN NFL HISTORY TO RUSH FOR 1,000 YARDS 1ST 3 SEASONS!!!!!!!!!!! I think some of you have been hypnotized by ESPN and think a college player who gets to play opponents like nowhere state is going to come into NFL and just run wild to that I say
J-Storm
Waterboy
There is no such "sure thing" especially in the NFL. Each player is like a number in the weekly lottery and that's all they are. A number, period. Take bennie Joppru for example, we thought we had something there. So far, nothing (through no fault of his own i admit). Morency is just the latest one. But again, nothing. Why... because we seem to think that DD is our only playmaker besides 'Dre so we work him into the ground. I guess that's DD's fault as well, if he asked for the odd down off, the 'Hater-ade" drinkers when it comes to DD would whine and moan 'cos he asked for a breather then. It's a no-win situation for the poor guy!
UGA
Noob
DD is an above average back who will actually do better when his amount of touches gets limited to utilize Bush. The DD-Bush combo will be dynamic! Both can get 15 carries a game, and Bush can be used in the slot in a addition.
You dont try to get cute with draft picks. You draft the best player available. The Texans can draft o-line with their other 7 picks and free agency. Passing on Bush will be a major error. We saw how we tried to get cute last year and look at the slug we drafted.
Bush will elevate this team out of the cellar, because we will focus on the line the second after we draft him, like how we attempted to help Carr by drafting Gafney then AJ with our #2 and #1 following his pick. We take Bush, then take every OL/DL of worth that follows.
If you get caught up in the "how many picks can we grab" line of thought then what ends up happening 9 time out of 10 is that you end up with a couple second tier types that have every bit as much a chance to fail as the ringers, but dont have half the upside. And if you watch the Texans then it should be readily apparent we dont need more second tier types with limited upside. We need players that have the ability to do great things in the league.
Bush is the only logical choice.
You dont try to get cute with draft picks. You draft the best player available. The Texans can draft o-line with their other 7 picks and free agency. Passing on Bush will be a major error. We saw how we tried to get cute last year and look at the slug we drafted.
Bush will elevate this team out of the cellar, because we will focus on the line the second after we draft him, like how we attempted to help Carr by drafting Gafney then AJ with our #2 and #1 following his pick. We take Bush, then take every OL/DL of worth that follows.
If you get caught up in the "how many picks can we grab" line of thought then what ends up happening 9 time out of 10 is that you end up with a couple second tier types that have every bit as much a chance to fail as the ringers, but dont have half the upside. And if you watch the Texans then it should be readily apparent we dont need more second tier types with limited upside. We need players that have the ability to do great things in the league.
Bush is the only logical choice.