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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread

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Thorn said:
Oh for Gods sakes. McNair is a lot of things, but he isn't cheap. I really wish people would quit saying this, because it just isn't true. He sunk nearly a billion of his own money so far into the Texans, so that isn't being cheap, or even close to it.

And that was NOT an endorsement of him as the owner, just sayin.......
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Agree. Bob McNair is anything but cheap. If Kubiak told McNair that every player needed gold-plated helmets at a million dollars each, McNair would say: "Ok."

McNair ain't cheap.
 
Thorn said:
Oh for Gods sakes. McNair is a lot of things, but he isn't cheap. I really wish people would quit saying this, because it just isn't true. He sunk nearly a billion of his own money so far into the Texans, so that isn't being cheap, or even close to it.

And that was NOT an endorsement of him as the owner, just sayin.......
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Really he isn't cheap? Name me the big money free agents, proven NFL wining coaches and front office personnel Bob has hired or signed........

The answer is NONE.
 
TexansFight said:
Really he isn't cheap? Name me the big money free agents, proven NFL wining coaches and front office personnel Bob has hired or signed........

The answer is NONE.
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The only thing that can counter this: It has been stated by numerous individulas that McNair admits he doesnt know much about the ins n outs of the NFl. he depends on his people......that would be whom again?
 
TexansFight said:
Really he isn't cheap? Name me the big money free agents, proven NFL wining coaches and front office personnel Bob has hired or signed........

The answer is NONE.
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Did you even READ what I posted? Look, I'm not saying McNair is a good owner, he's proven otherwise I think. But he isn't cheap. He sank a lot of money into purchasing (bribeing) his way in the fold with the other owners and put some of his own money into the stadium. He isn't ****ing cheap.

He may not be a good owner, but he certainly isn't cheap. If you want to blame a lack of signing free agents, blame Rick Smith and Kubiak for for that, not McNair.
 
Cheap isn't what I think of with McNair, either. Naive seems to fit better.

He was willing to open the checkbook for free agents like Morlon Greenwood and Todd Wade and Anthony Weaver and *shudder* P-Burnt. These aren't huge names but they were seriously overpaid to come here. So I don't know that cheap's the right word for it.
 
TexansFight said:
Really he isn't cheap? Name me the big money free agents, proven NFL wining coaches and front office personnel Bob has hired or signed........

The answer is NONE.
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Atlanta had a back-up qb named Matt Schaub. EVERYBODY was after this guy. EVERYBODY. The Texans swooped in, and grabbed him immediately, signing him to a contract over like a weekend. And the Texans were aggressive, and they spent a lot of money.

No, we don't, traditionally go after the overall "big names" in free agency, but, we have made moves in the past.
 
yeah, a guy who sank 700 million into an nfl franchis is cheap.....good luck convincing anyone with that.

Funny & ironic really b/c we're down here complaining about an owner who's hands off yet right up in Dallas in the same state, their fans are complaining about an owner who's too hands on...The reality of it is texans don't know what the hell they want.
 
I am so effing pissed. I just got off of the phone with my dad in Houston who is from Pittsburgh and is obviouldy a die hard Steelers fan but also likes the Texans and had liked the Oilers (my family has been here since 1980 when I was born).

My phone blew up with people trying to call me after the miracel play of the century and his is the only one I called back on.

After I got through the whole part of him trying to convert me to be a Steelers fan which he usually pitches at me after every loss....he and I agreed on something....the coaching here blows c**k.

How does a team like the Steelers find coach, after Super Bowl winning coach (Chuck Noll, Cowher, Tomlin) and we keep ending up with effing bumblers and guys that re-inact a bad inpersonation of Inspector Cleauso from the Pink Panther (with Peter Sellers...not the new crappy ones)???

Serioulsy???

W-T-F???????

Yes that was a freak play that beat us against JAX today, but that was only the end result of what had been some dumb-effing-assed coaching leading up to that. I took notes to post something while sober and bored at work tomorrow (too drunk too read those notes right now and I don't have time or tiVo to re-watch it....not that I would want to...).

:kubepalm:

Done with Kubes.

(if I mispelled something then too damn bad.....too many Shiners and pissed right now...)
 
Thorn said:
Did you even READ what I posted? Look, I'm not saying McNair is a good owner, he's proven otherwise I think. But he isn't cheap. He sank a lot of money into purchasing (bribeing) his way in the fold with the other owners and put some of his own money into the stadium. He isn't ****ing cheap.

He may not be a good owner, but he certainly isn't cheap. If you want to blame a lack of signing free agents, blame Rick Smith and Kubiak for for that, not McNair.
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McNair didn't bribe anybody.

LA was awarded the expansion team, but had to come up with nearly a billion dollars. They had a deadline. They scrambled, couldn't come up with the money and blew the deadline. The NFL called McNair and told him he was next up. He basically said, "Is that all?"

And he wrote a check. And we have a team.
 
TexansFight said:
Really he isn't cheap? Name me the big money free agents, proven NFL wining coaches and front office personnel Bob has hired or signed........

The answer is NONE.
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Ahman Green???? It didn't work out, but it cost him a lot of money.

He doesn't usually overpay, but to say he is cheap is wrong.

His biggest fault may end up being that he is too loyal.
 
wagonhed said:
Really? When did Cowher tell you this?
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Fair enough. He didn't. I was just assuming based on several things over the last year or so. I still can't get over the fact that, the VERY DAY Kubiak signed his extension, he released a statement saying he wouldn't come back to coaching. And, that was around the same time that John Fox was questionable in Carolina.
 
in the 4th quarter. Hear me out. i first noticed this last year when I compared Kubiak's style a track coach who tells his runners if you get in the lead and start pulling away , slow up until the other guy catches up. In the same way if you get behind run hard until you catch up. I did not realize how far this attitude in buried in Kubiak's pysche. You see it game by game, they don't do anything to lose the game early. We always start slow. Then if we have an opponent we can dominate we come back strong to get close again. It happens too often to be a coincidence.

Kubiak this philosophy MIGHT have been OK at the very beggining when taking over a 2-14 team but not now. I personally don't like this style EVER. If you can bury a team early do it and then you don't have to go to the 4th quarter in what basically is a coin toss. Guess what if you BURY a team early you have a better than coin toss chance of winning.

If the Texans are close to .500 say 4-4 we play this way. Last year at the end of the season we were well below .500 so he needs to change to try and get to .500. Ever wonder why once we got good enough to compete we seem to be right around .500.

Kubiak has said it many times we had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. That is all I ask. The only problem with this is guess what the other team has a chance also. COIN TOSS!!!! I wonder what the odds are in a coin toss.

I would guess the Texans final record will be close. This is still the coaching staffs goal is to keep it close and try to win it in the 4th. With this philosophy this team will be , guess what a .500 team.
 
In order for Kubiak to be fired, the Texans must continue to lose and lose embarrassingly. Looking at it that way, this game couldn't have gone any better.
 
Mr teX said:
yeah, a guy who sank 700 million into an nfl franchis is cheap.....good luck convincing anyone with that.

Funny & ironic really b/c we're down here complaining about an owner who's hands off yet right up in Dallas in the same state, their fans are complaining about an owner who's too hands on...The reality of it is texans don't know what the hell they want.
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I want them to hire an experienced football guy to run this organization.

Yes Uncle BoB invested 700 mil nine years ago. That investment is now worth atleast 1.1 bil. Not a bad return on his $$$$. Off the backs of the GREAT FANS of the HOUSTON TEXANS.

BTW if you're a RELIANT customer you can thank your higher bill to the 300 mill stadium naming rights over 10 yrs that Uncle BoB used to help buy this franchise. With the taxpayers also contributing $$$$. All Uncle BoB had to put up front was operating $$$$ basically. Hence no top tier FA's or top tier executives.

Bottom line is the Great Fans of the Houston Texans deserve better than the consIstently medicore to crappy product that has been put on the field for the last 9 yrs.
 
Don't see a bright side, honestly I hope the team wins every game from here on out. Whether that keeps Kubiak's job or not, I'd just like to have a playoff team every once in awhile.
 
I don't think you understand ; Kubiak doesn't want to blow a team out he wants the chance to win it in a coin toss in the 4th. Of course he would like to win all those close games but it doesn't work like that. You win some, Redskins, Chiefs, and you lose some Chargers , Jags. You never win a blow out because you don't want to do that, but you may get blown out because if the other team is better you probably will never win with this philosophy, but you can easily be blown out. Just think about it.
 
steelbtexan said:
I want them to hire an experienced football guy to run this organization.

Yes Uncle BoB invested 700 mil nine years ago. That investment is now worth atleast 1.1 bil. Not a bad return on his $$$$. Off the backs of the GREAT FANS of the HOUSTON TEXANS.

BTW if you're a RELIANT customer you can thank your higher bill to the 300 mill stadium naming rights over 10 yrs that Uncle BoB used to help buy this franchise. With the taxpayers also contributing $$$$. All Uncle BoB had to put up front was operating $$$$ basically. Hence no top tier FA's or top tier executives.

Bottom line is the Great Fans of the Houston Texans deserve better than the consIstently medicore to crappy product that has been put on the field for the last 9 yrs.
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:wadepalm: We already had that remember? it was the Charlie Casserly & Dom Capers era. How'd that work out for us? Again, how exactly is any of this McNair's fault? He's done the the experienced GM & HC & he's done the upcoming GM & HC. What the hell else is the man supposed to do? It's not his job to make open field tackles or so some competency covering a WR.
 
in the 4th quarter. Hear me out. i first noticed this last year when I compared Kubiak's style to a track coach who tells his runners if you get in the lead and start pulling away , slow up until the other guy catches up. In the same way if you get behind run hard until you catch up. I did not realize how far this attitude in buried in Kubiak's pysche. You see it game by game, they don't do anything to lose the game early. We always start slow. Then if we have an opponent we can dominate we come back strong to get close again. It happens too often to be a coincidence.

Kubiak this philosophy MIGHT have been OK at the very beggining when taking over a 2-14 team but not now. I personally don't like this style EVER. If you can bury a team early do it and then you don't have to go to the 4th quarter in what basically is a coin toss. Guess what if you BURY a team early you have a better than coin toss chance of winning.

If the Texans are close to .500 say 4-4 we play this way. Last year at the end of the season we were well below .500 so he needs to change to try and get to .500. Ever wonder why once we got good enough to compete we seem to be right around .500.

Kubiak has said it many times we had a chance to win in the 4th quarter. That is all I ask. The only problem with this is guess what the other team has a chance also. COIN TOSS!!!! I wonder what the odds are in a coin toss.

I would guess the Texans final record will be close. This is still the coaching staffs goal is to keep it close and try to win it in the 4th. With this philosophy this team will be , guess what a .500 team.
 
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I have to give it to you, you're nothing if not persistant. But, we're trying to limit the number of threads. So this goes back into the Kubes thread.
 
Mr teX said:
:wadepalm: We already had that remember? it was the Charlie Casserly & Dom Capers era. How'd that work out for us? Again, how exactly is any of this McNair's fault? He's done the the experienced GM & HC & he's done the upcoming GM & HC. What the hell else is the man supposed to do?
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OK we as fans should give up and except mediocrity.

There's a he** of alot of difference between the Parcells/Cowher style of management and the Casserly/Smithiak style of management.

This team isn't far away from being a good team. They should have a high draft pick if this undisiplined crap continues. I'm not comfortable with Smithiak running another draft. As I feel this is the root of the Texans problems.
 
Mad fans are screaming for heads to roll. A guy on the 610 post-show just went ballistic screaming for the firing of Frank Bush. Of course, the talking heads reply that it wouldn't work in the middle of the season. The dude was hired by the team with little prior experience and might become a good DC. On the flip side, could our defense be any worse than it is? The Catch-22 seems to come up every year.
 
steelbtexan said:
OK we as fans should give up and except mediocrity.

There's a he** of alot of difference between the Parcells/Cowher style of management and the Casserly/Smithiak style of management.

This team isn't far away from being a good team. They should have a high draft pick if this undisiplined crap continues. I'm not comfortable with Smithiak running another draft. As I feel this is the root of the Texans problems.
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i'm not saying they should give up, but to heap the bulk of this team's problems on McNair is just ridiculous imo. All he's doing is putting the people he thinks are the best for the job in place & he's obviously been wrong. & If you're going to get on him about that, then quite frankly that's nothing b/c every owner in the league makes those same mistakes b/c only 1 team can win the superbowl every year.
 
Mr teX said:
i'm not saying they should give up, but to heap the bulk of this team's problems on McNair is just ridiculous imo. All he's doing is putting the people he thinks are the best for the job in place & he's obviously been wrong. & If you're going to get on him about that, then quite frankly that's nothing b/c every owner in the league makes those same mistakes b/c only 1 team can win the superbowl every year.
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Losers attitude

This we'll be better next yr crap is getting old.

How long IYO should McNair get a pass?

Meanwhile stuffing his pockets with the fans $$$$.
 
Super Mario said:
This is going to get ugly. Whos next? @Jets. vsTitans. @Ealges. vsRavens. @Titans.

Hello 5-8.
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If they're lucky.

The Texans are losing games against bad teams that are trying to give games away.

All of the teams you listed are well coached physical teams. Those are the types of teams that give the Texans the most problems.

3 of them are on the road and a 4th game is a pseudo home game with all of the VY nut huggers.

It doesn't look promising. IMHO
 
steelbtexan said:
Losers attitude

This we'll be better next yr crap is getting old.

How long IYO should McNair get a pass?

Meanwhile stuffing his pockets with the fans $$$$.
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Not sure how your getting loser's attitude out of what im saying, but in any case,

WTH are you talking about? In none of my posts have i said McNair should keep kubiak or we'll be better next year. What i am saying is that at the end of the day, the players on field have the most control over the product they produce on the field. & when you look at it from that perspective, how much of the blame can you really heap on McNair. The answer is not much.

& as far as McNair lining his pockets, all i can tell you is that you & any other fans who show up to games have the most control over that; just stop going.
 
Mr teX said:
yeah, a guy who sank 700 million into an nfl franchis is cheap.....good luck convincing anyone with that.

Funny & ironic really b/c we're down here complaining about an owner who's hands off yet right up in Dallas in the same state, their fans are complaining about an owner who's too hands on...The reality of it is texans don't know what the hell they want.
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TO be perfectly honest investing 700 million dollars into a perpetual money machine doesn't mean that you can't then run said money machine pinching every penny possible. I'm not saying he is or isn't cheap. I'm just saying that I keep seeing his purchase of the Texans thrown out as evidence that he isn't cheap and that doesn't prove a thing.
 
Mr teX said:
Not sure how your getting loser's attitude out of what im saying, but in any case,

WTH are you talking about? In none of my posts have i said McNair should keep kubiak or we'll be better next year. What i am saying is that at the end of the day, the players on field have the most control over the product they produce on the field. & when you look at it from that perspective, how much of the blame can you really heap on McNair. The answer is not much.

& as far as McNair lining his pockets, all i can tell you is that you & any other fans who show up to games have the most control over that; just stop going.
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McNair hired thse people to run this franchise? Right

Therefore he's responsible for the success/failure of this franchise.

And you're right it's my choice to buy or not buy his product.

The end is near for me if things dont change this season. Or major changes in leadership of this franchise aren't made this offseason. Lockout or no lockout.

Even though it wont matter. There will be a thousand fans waiting to buy my PSL's and season tickets.

Unfortunately Uncle BoB is aware this too.
 
Hervoyel said:
TO be perfectly honest investing 700 million dollars into a perpetual money machine doesn't mean that you can't then run said money machine pinching every penny possible. I'm not saying he is or isn't cheap. I'm just saying that I keep seeing his purchase of the Texans thrown out as evidence that he isn't cheap and that doesn't prove a thing.
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Well, put it like this, if he doesn't step up to the plate & shell out however many millions he did & successfully bring an NFL pro team back to houston, We might very well still be without one.

I know some might think to themselves that that's probably not a bad thing right about now but the fact of the matter is that he did that & he didn't have to. He could've just went about his way & kept running his other successful businesses.

Either way anyone tries to spin it, the guy spent his own money to make it happen & that to me is not someone who's thinks that money is his only concern. Did he look at the dollars and cents of it? of course he did, he's a billionaire business man.
 
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