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The 1st team defense sucked!

I understand your concern Texans fans, but let me tell you this. You guys have an excellent offense featuring an All-Pro WR and one of the most underrated QBs that had a calf sprain on Saturday and still made the most of his one series. Our offense is going to score a lot of points this year, no matter what...and we were still without our number two and three receivers. Our offensive line is going to manhandle teams this year. That guy that frustrated Babin...his name is Robert Gallery. The guy is going to be a pro bowler for a while. Another thing I have to add is that it is preseason. You guys are the most improved team overall for the last three years. You guys are going to be a mainstay in the playoffs for a while, so don't fret. We are going to do this to a lot of teams this year, it is just a matter if we are going to stop them. Belive me, all the Raider faithful(myself included) were angry when Carr came out because we wanted to see our defense play against the best. I am not just saying that, check out raiderfans.net. I hope to talk some football with you guys this year, so don't get rid of me.
 
Raider fan checking in here, just want to say hey to everyone!

first of all the reason why i think you guys only played one series is because they scored on the first series, it couldnt have gotten much better then that right? didnt look like to me that they needed to be out there much longer, they called some nice plays, got some nice 3rd down conversions, marched up the field pretty niceley and scored. once they got in the end zone, we had two nice stops, one i thought our FS stuart schweigert could have picked that off if he was a tad closer, and two, gibson was pretty close to picking it off, nice break up though! but on 3rd down, carr used his versatility and his legs to roll out against one of our OLB's, brayton, who is a big LB, around 260+ lbs, it was obvious carr had the mismatch so it made the secondary freeze and it was a TD, so to me it was an impressive drive for you guys.

as far as our offense goes, i didnt think your db's looked good at all. gabriel is currently our 4th wr, curry and porter were missing via small injuries and if gabriel did what he did, then it is something that needs to be fixed cause you guys go against some pretty good wr's this year, gabriel is no slouch, and he could honestly be starting for a few teams, but we are so deep at wr. other things on defense, you guys didnt get much pressure, but to be honest with you, our OL is amazing. we were 6th best at sacks allowed last year, and we only got better, so dont sweat it. someone mentioned and it makes a ton of sense, capers is not going to unleash all of his packages and different schemes in one game, so it was a very vanilla-esque defense if you will. we dont know if they still would ahve gotten pressure, or confused our OL, but it is a good OL, im sure if it was a regular game we would have seen more looks.

another thing, your run defense didnt look to hot either, but that could be for a number of reasons. it could be the fact that our OL is gelling and just doig really good, or the fact that when we passed pressure was not put on, so we were able to dictate the pace.

carr is a really good qb, this year he is going to truly come into his own especially with the maturity of johnson, that guy is really good! then davis is a solid back and he can do his share of time management. it just looks like you need for your defense to come arond, but as afformentioned, it could be due to the fact that it is preseason and they wont unveil all the blitz packages.

all in all, it is just preseason relax!

gotta think of the positives which were, your offense marched down the field on one drive, very effeciantly. now if they were to leave him in, we dont know if it would have happened again, or if we would have made adjustments, but it doesnt matter because capers seen what he wanted to see, a score. but defensively you guys didnt fair too well, and i really believe that the reason why is because of our offense, it really is no joke, when we are full strength with porter, moss, curry, jordan, and an amazing OL, it is gonna be awesome. if the texans D comes around they could win, i'd say 7 or 8 games this year.
 
swisher said:
I hate Jim Rome.


Hey, you houston guys have it lucky with sporting news radio.

Here in SA we have to put up with Fox Sports Radio.

The morning extravangaza which, although I like Andrew Siciliano, is well, the nicest way I've heard the show described is "a dud."

And the Drive with (revolving cast of miscreats with no voice for radio) which has never been entertaining....NEVER.

The only shining light here were the local shows. One morning and one afternoon.
But the Hosts from the best show got promoted to the prime time talk radio slot, and replaced by the morning show hosts.

These hosts include some guy who is older than I am and I find quite immature for his age, and the other is (I'm not kidding) some guy who was a caller to a New York Radio show who impressed the radio heads one day and they shipped him here.
The guy cares nothing for texas sports and wants to talk about new york teams.

The Jets get more coverage on their show than the texans.

And the new morning show is a...I'll be nice... a DUD.

Jime Rome is now the shining light of the daily sports in this city.

I know most times he talks like a 14 year old.
And he reads too many aweful eamils just to comment on how aweful they are, but he is also the only voice of reason most times and has entertaining interviews.

Now for the real reason I posted.

I think the first team defense held up welll against what could be a top tier offense this year.

Moss held to 2 catches.

The 2 touchdowns on faggins were out of character for him. So I won't hold it against him.

As for the game:
I challenge ANYONE who can't be happy with a WIN on a game where the final play results in a SACK by a Friggin 3 MAN RUSH :headbang:
 
It's sad that Raiders fans are more supportive of the Texans than some Texans fans. How about waiting until we see what the regular season brings? Does complaining and (in other posts) calling for heads really make the team better off?
 
SA Fan said:
As for the game:
I challenge ANYONE who can't be happy with a WIN on a game where the final play results in a SACK by a Friggin 3 MAN RUSH :headbang:

Ok, your challenge is accepted. Show me when the Texans' 1st team defense ever got a "SACK by a Friggin 3 MAN RUSH" on the opposing team's 1st team offense? :challenge

Sorry . . a bunch of 3rd/4th-team scrubs who aren't going to make the team anyways, playing mop-up in the 4th quarter of a preseason game, just doesn't do it for me. (Oh BTW, yes I know Charlie Anderson is a good player, so don't go off on a tangent)

But we'll find out soon enough if I'm crying that the sky is falling. We play Dallas this week, where the starters on both sides of the ball will play at least a half. Just in case anyone hasn't been keeping up . . . Parcells has got much bigger problems with his offensive line than we do . . . especially the right side.

If Bledsoe ends up having as much time to throw the ball as Collins did . . . well . . .
 
I think most of the Raider's games are going to be 40-33 games. Their offense is going to be great but their defense will be pathetic. Collins has a big arm that can get it down the field if you give him time. He has tremendous receivers and a stout line. Without a pass-rush, I would expect them to make us look silly. I think we will have a lot of complex blitz packages once the season starts.
 
Marcus said:
You know as well as I do that the reserves on both teams, particularly on the lines, played the 2nd half. If you don't want to get the point, you don't have to. :ok:

Oh, so when you said "After Collins and the 1st team offense is is not playing anymore" you really just meant particularly on the lines. But you said Collins and the first teamers. So stop your backtracking, and get the facts straight.

I just get sick of guys like you, who cry when the Texans dont dominate.

We arent the beasts of the NFL! You want a team that gives his QB 5 minutes to throw, and then want the defense to give thier QB 2 seconds to throw. I think the Chicken Little Brigade is calling your number Marcus...
 
DC_ROCK said:
I just get sick of guys like you, who cry when the Texans dont dominate.

We arent the beasts of the NFL!

But then you'll want to fire everyone if they don't make the playoffs, right? :brickwall
 
Marcus said:
But we'll find out soon enough if I'm crying that the sky is falling. We play Dallas this week, where the starters on both sides of the ball will play at least a half. Just in case anyone hasn't been keeping up . . . Parcells has got much bigger problems with his offensive line than we do . . . especially the right side.

If Bledsoe ends up having as much time to throw the ball as Collins did . . . well . . .
See there is your problem....

You still think that a fan can tell how good their team is going to be based on preseason action.

Newsflash: You still won't know crap even after the Dallas game.
 
yeah, that's one reason I don't comment too much on preseason games....they are just evaluation games. I think many of us read way way way too much into these games.
 
Marcus said:
But then you'll want to fire everyone if they don't make the playoffs, right? :brickwall

I know the NFL is the hardest sport to win in. There is so much parity with the salary cap, that anyteam has a a chance to win. All 32 teams want playoffs, all 32 teams fans want playoffs, but there are only so many spots that you just have to hope that your team stays healthy and mistake free.

To get to the point, I have no problem giving Dom his 5 years. I wouldnt trade my GM for any other in the NFL right now. And I feel that our OC is basically being told how to run his offense.

If we dont make playoffs I will be upset, but I wont agree with "Capers gotta go" until we start declining in wins.
 
LBC_Justin said:
See there is your problem....

You still think that a fan can tell how good their team is going to be based on preseason action.

Newsflash: You still won't know crap even after the Dallas game.

:ok: Fair enough. You have point. But next week I don't want to hear, "Well, Dallas has a good, stout OL", because they don't.

What's been a stick in my craw is this: This season . . this season, they are expected to have a winning season. They are not allowed to fail . . . and if they do, all the blame will unfairly be put on the coaches.

I think that is wrong. I think the expectations are too high.

There. I'm done. :goodnight
 
Vinny said:
yeah, that's one reason I don't comment too much on preseason games....they are just evaluation games. I think many of us read way way way too much into these games.

Naw, c'mon you are being too easy on them. It is obvious from the 1st two preseason games that nothing has changed and 8-8 is the best we can hope for. But what the heck, we will still beat Indy--they have gone 0-3 so far.
 
infantrycak said:
Naw, c'mon you are being too easy on them. It is obvious from the 1st two preseason games that nothing has changed and 8-8 is the best we can hope for. But what the heck, we will still beat Indy--they have gone 0-3 so far.
If you think Indy going 0-3 in preseason is any indication of how good or bad they are going to be in the reguler season then you have a lot to learn about preseason.

I suggest doing a google search on Steve Spurrier.
 
LBC_Justin said:
If you think Indy going 0-3 in preseason is any indication of how good or bad they are going to be in the reguler season then you have a lot to learn about preseason.

I suggest doing a google search on Steve Spurrier.

If i were you, I would do a google on sarcasm.
 
LBC_Justin said:
If you think Indy going 0-3 in preseason is any indication of how good or bad they are going to be in the reguler season then you have a lot to learn about preseason.

I suggest doing a google search on Steve Spurrier.

Cak will probably tell you to do a google search on sarcasm.
 
LBC_Justin said:
aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh I didn't pick up on it.
:confused:

haha no problem man. Some people are more subtle than others in that department.

Pre-season wins are a tricky animal. Some teams kill in the pre-season, and is a sign of good depth, and great backup players. IE the steelers last year. They have great backups. But some teams lose those games due to depth, but doesnt mean the team is bad. IE the Pats. They might not have awesome depth players, but the first stringers get it done.

Does that make sense to anyone but me?
 
Marcus said:
:ok: Fair enough. You have point. But next week I don't want to hear, "Well, Dallas has a good, stout OL", because they don't.

What's been a stick in my craw is this: This season . . this season, they are expected to have a winning season. They are not allowed to fail . . . and if they do, all the blame will unfairly be put on the coaches.

I think that is wrong. I think the expectations are too high.

There. I'm done. :goodnight

The sky is not falling...Sure they played poorly on 2 series...Faggons/CC Brown got burned...Remember this is pre-season! For the 2nd week in a row the O looked good on its 1st chance. I think D is gonna be OK...They don't game plan for the 2nd preseason game. Look for a really good effort against the crackwagons...
 
Bills fans checkin in you guys have to talk a page out of buffalo defensive playbook : keep the offense guessing and blitz the hell out of them. The bills got six sacks against the colts (WOW) and running at them doesn't but u got to have big guy up front aka robaire smith and tj so you guys are set now u need linebackers who can rush the QB pity you guys didn't keep Posey now he really give buffalo three blitzing linebackers and steve foley would do you guys some good if you kept him. seems when linebackers leave houston the get better ( Foley, Posey) will Sharper and if you guys let peek go ( HA HA MAybe if he doesn't do well) will he flourish in another city? so your defense isn't bad but the linebackers are the problems
 
the texans first series consisted of 15 plays... the raiders first 3 series (not including a punt) was exactly 15 plays, so that might be why the raiders 1st team stayed in for the 4th series. Not to mention if I was an opposing coach, would I really be scared of the Texans injuring my starting QB?

Hopefully the defense will gel, hopefully the O-line will get better, hopefully I'll win the lottery.
 
Crank_It_Up said:
the texans first series consisted of 15 plays... the raiders first 3 series (not including a punt) was exactly 15 plays, so that might be why the raiders 1st team stayed in for the 4th series. Not to mention if I was an opposing coach, would I really be scared of the Texans injuring my starting QB?

Hopefully the defense will gel, hopefully the O-line will get better, hopefully I'll win the lottery.




Your o line will gel but man it won't be that good cuz u don't have a star on the o line one guy who gets the pub
 
Your o line will gel but man it won't be that good cuz u don't have a star on the o line one guy who gets the pub

So it takes one star who gets publicity to make an O line good? A group of solid O linemen is worse than 4 practice squad guys and a superstar? If that is the case who's "the star" on the Bills O line?
 
Evans Fan said:
Your o line will gel but man it won't be that good cuz u don't have a star on the o line one guy who gets the pub


this has got to be the funniest thing ive ever heard. stars don't win football games, teams do. thats all i have to say. if you can't see that, than i give up.
 
Evans Fan said:
Bills fans checkin in you guys have to talk a page out of buffalo defensive playbook : keep the offense guessing and blitz the hell out of them. The bills got six sacks against the colts (WOW) and running at them doesn't but u got to have big guy up front aka robaire smith and tj so you guys are set now u need linebackers who can rush the QB pity you guys didn't keep Posey now he really give buffalo three blitzing linebackers and steve foley would do you guys some good if you kept him. seems when linebackers leave houston the get better ( Foley, Posey) will Sharper and if you guys let peek go ( HA HA MAybe if he doesn't do well) will he flourish in another city? so your defense isn't bad but the linebackers are the problems


How is blitzing the offense a page out of the bills play book? 6 sacks in preseason, wow, ya'll should win the superbowl this year, let's just forfeit the season and give the trophy to the bills. this cracks me up.
 
Evans Fan said:
pity you guys didn't keep Posey now he really give buffalo three blitzing linebackers and steve foley would do you guys some good if you kept him. seems when linebackers leave houston the get better ( Foley, Posey)

Yeah buddy--Posey 8 sacks for us in 2002, 6.5 total in two years for the bills--he sure did become a havoc wrecker.
 
I just saw the tape again of the 1st team defense. Oh boy. There are pluses but there are many many minuses. I'm going to try to be objective despite my disagreement with management on the Buchanon and Greenwood acquisitions. First off, Peek and Babin both could get easily burned by cutback sweeps to the outside as they are not containing their areas. Any reverse of cutback sweep with give us problems. (ala KC and Phili) Wong's new position is really going to take time and experience. Same with Greenwood. How people are expecting our defense to be better in the short term is beyond me when we have 3 LB's that were not at that position last year. That coupled with the fact that Buchanon is new to this teams as well and got ripped when the Raiders played the 3-4 last year, leads me to believe we are in for a long season defense wise. Buchanon looked ugly on several plays and totally missed a tackle on his side of the field. He whiffed it and didn't even lay a hand on the TE. No excuse for that one, take off the #31 because he is not filling Glenns shoes at all. Greenwood did impress me on one play and then turned around an whiffed it on the next. He lost containment and weakly dove after Jordan on the next play for a big gain, he speed is good, but it isn't eye popping.

I liked what I saw from Payne and Walker, although Payne got manhandled on one play that was called a penalty...when they showed the replay it just looked like Payne got pancaked. On that play too, Jordan bolted a long run. Paynes injuries look like they are healing well so look for TJ to back him up, not take his job.

Faggins, well what can I say. He got mugged by Gabriel and then torched. You can say all the excuses you want, but if he does great on 95% of the plays but gives up huge scores on the other 5%, then that 95% is worth a bowl of beans. We need players to make plays, not be on the highlight film for the other team. He was in great position to knock down that jump ball to Gabriel but instead looked like he was going for the pick. It looked more like the safety was out of position (why was CC Brown playing there anyways with the 1st team??) and so I can't really chalk that up on Faggins, but he still did let his man get behind him.

Make excuses for preseason, play calling, vanilla base defense, non-starters, etc.., but this is what the Texans put on the field so this is what they are evaluated on.
 
Good post Ses. I didnt get to tape the game so I only got to watch it once and didnt get to focus on individuals very much.
 
Evans Fan said:
Your o line will gel but man it won't be that good cuz u don't have a star on the o line one guy who gets the pub

Who's this Pub guy .... maybe he should be blocking for Carr :pigfly:


SESupergenius said:
Make excuses for preseason, play calling, vanilla base defense, non-starters, etc.., but this is what the Texans put on the field so this is what they are evaluated on.


What you see is what you get .....

Peek just CANT keep contain on the outside .... Worse is the fact that he hasnt produced much of a pass rush either .... :tomato:

C.C.Brown is playing w/ the first team because G.Earl has a seperated shoulder .... He's made a few mistakes in coverage but has been good in run support ..... NO! He wont take Earl's job this season .
 
We let go of McCree and we sign get a rookie 17th rounder to fill in. Nice.
 
SESupergenius said:
Faggins, well what can I say. He got mugged by Gabriel and then torched. You can say all the excuses you want, but if he does great on 95% of the plays but gives up huge scores on the other 5%, then that 95% is worth a bowl of beans. We need players to make plays, not be on the highlight film for the other team. He was in great position to knock down that jump ball to Gabriel but instead looked like he was going for the pick. It looked more like the safety was out of position (why was CC Brown playing there anyways with the 1st team??) and so I can't really chalk that up on Faggins, but he still did let his man get behind him.

CC Brown is playing because Glenn Earl is hurt. Faggins messed up by not making that INT in the endzone. Apparently Brown was actually the one that screwed up on that long TD that looked like Faggins fault. Brown was supposed to pick him up about 15-20 yds downfield and was out of position. I don't like the fact that Faggins told this to the media though.
 
SESupergenius said:
We let go of McCree and we sign get a rookie 17th rounder to fill in. Nice.

McCree is now the back-up FS in Carolina even though they have injury issues to the defensive backs so that would suggest he was not the savior for here as well. look I liked Marlon but he was not in the Texans long term plans and was a F/A seeking a million bucks so more power to him and more opportunity for the Texans 6th rd draft choice CC Brown who has really been the surprise of the Texans 2005 draft :texans:
 
TheOgre said:
CC Brown is playing because Glenn Earl is hurt. Faggins messed up by not making that INT in the endzone. Apparently Brown was actually the one that screwed up on that long TD that looked like Faggins fault. Brown was supposed to pick him up about 15-20 yds downfield and was out of position. I don't like the fact that Faggins told this to the media though.
Yea pointing your finger at another player in the media should be a major no-no. In that play it clearly looked like CC was going to double team Moss instead of playing the center fielder roll. I think he bit on Collins' look at Moss.
 
beerlover said:
6th rd draft choice CC Brown who has really been the surprise of the Texans 2005 draft :texans:
Yea I'm sure he surprised Collins when he was torched for 80 yards. I know I was surprised. I just hope that no more surprises from this kid come our way.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Faqggins could use some mentoring . This is where Aaron Glen will be missed most .
BINGO! Give that man a prize! Not only that, he could give Buchanon a lesson too. Buchanon should be our #3 and Glenn should have never been given the chance to walk.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Faqggins could use some mentoring . This is where Aaron Glen will be missed most .

He played with Glenn for 2 years. I would hope he got some mentoring from Glenn during that time.
 
SESupergenius said:
Yea pointing your finger at another player in the media should be a major no-no.

On a related note, this hits on the one thing that really pisses me off about T.O. I can deal with his negotiation tactics, but he has no reason to call out McNabb like he has. If he has an issue with McNabb, he needs to voice that in house.
 
Well, if you ask me, ya'll are harping way too much on the secondary. Regardless of who we kept on the team, who we let go, or who we added, the bottom line is we have a good secondary.

But that good secondary still depends on the front 7 to its job and pressure the QB, which it is not.
 
Marcus said:
Well, if you ask me, ya'll are harping way too much on the secondary. Regardless of who we kept on the team, who we let go, or who we added, the bottom line is we have a good secondary.

But that good secondary still depends on the front 7 to its job and pressure the QB, which it is not.

Nuff' said.
 
Marcus said:
Well, if you ask me, ya'll are harping way too much on the secondary. Regardless of who we kept on the team, who we let go, or who we added, the bottom line is we have a good secondary.

But that good secondary still depends on the front 7 to its job and pressure the QB, which it is not.


:tomato:
So true...
:crying:
 
SESupergenius said:
We let go of McCree and we sign get a rookie 17th rounder to fill in. Nice.

I have to say I don't understand why we got rid of Mcree either. He was a very good backup and spot starter. I didn't like some of the moves either this offseason, particualry Glenn, but I am willing to give them a full season before I totally rip every move they made.
 
I've been wanting to cool down a bit before the season starts so maybe this is my frustration getting out so that I can enjoy the season, but there are more signs of negative happening than positive.
 
Porky said:
I have to say I don't understand why we got rid of Mcree either. He was a very good backup and spot starter. I didn't like some of the moves either this offseason, particualry Glenn, but I am willing to give them a full season before I totally rip every move they made.


I thought he was an unrestricted free agent. we never got rid of him, he left.
 
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