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1. Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana - Why? Because I believe Duane Brown is done. Sadly, my gut is telling me Spriggs could be gone between #15 and #20 (if not sooner)

2. Vernon Adams, QB, Oregon - Why? Because I believe that it's possible that Adams could be the best QB in this draft not named Goff or Wentz. (Russell Wilson? Tyrod Taylor? Anyone? Anyone?) #1 in Passing Efficiency

3. Christian Westernman, OG, Arizona State - Why? I believe that Brooks could be on his way to Denver or some where else (subject to change if Brooks stays)

4. Malcom Mitchell, WR, Georgia - Why? Because Strong has the munchies and likely shows up over weight again and Mitchell is the best route runner in this draft and perfect compliment to Nuk.

5. Chris Mayes, NT, Georgia -Why? Because the twilight of Wilfork's career there is more dark than there is light.

5. Austin Blythe, C, Iowa - Why? Ben Jones could also be on his way to Denver or some where else. (subject to change if Jones stays)

6. Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas or Peyton Barber, RB, Auburn - Why? Doubtful Foster returns to form. If Williams passes all medicals and does everything at Pro Day well or go with Barber.

Let her rip Boys and Girls.....
 
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Interesting draft. I like it IF all your if's and maybe's come to pass, though I'm not as high on Adams as you are
 
JB said:
Interesting draft. I like it IF all your if's and maybe's come to pass, though I'm not as high on Adams as you are
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His MVP East West Shrine performance got my attention. I went back and did some more work and I came away even more impressed. This kid has excellent vision sees the whole field extremely well and is very accurate.


 
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I hope we don't have to go into next year with 3 new pieces on our ol, let alone 3 rookies. I think vernon adams will go in the 4th at the earliest. Don't see him going that early, I like him but still have my problems with him. But I like prescott in the 2nd. Personal preference though. Also would like to see us add someone with speed who can be a good returner for us.
 
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I hope we don't have to go into next year with 3 new pieces on our ol, let alone 3 rookies. I think vernon adams will go in the 4th at the earliest. Don't see him going that early, I like him but still have my problems with him. But I like prescott in the 2nd. Personal preference though. Also would like to see us add someone with speed who can be a good returner for us.
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After all the GREAT SUCCESSES of Russell Wilson, drafted in RD3, Adams could very well go earlier as a result. Especially if SF doesn't re-sign Kaepernick.
 
I don't mean this as a knock on you Texian. I like your draft and I'll get to that in a minute. I just want to touch on this real quick.

I don't like the current trend of projecting the top short QB each year as the next Russell Wilson. Last year it was Manziel and this year it is Adams.

I don't think there will necessarily be a "next" Russell Wilson. And that's part of the reason I liked him so much when he was coming into the draft. He had all the plus attributes of an undersized scrambler, but was a pass-first pocket thrower with outstanding tape and production in a pro style offense. As a prospect, he really wasn't that much different from Andrew Luck except he was just a miniature version.

I do like Adams. I have him around the 4th round right now. He's accurate. He seems intelligent. He has enough arm. But he played in wide open spread option offenses at both of his schools and the body of work is just not there to feel comfortable taking him any earlier in the draft.
 
As for the draft, I really like it. You know, as much as you and I go back and forth on here we do tend to have a similar eye.

I love Spriggs. In fact, I like him so much I'm starting to feel pretty sure that he won't be there for us. I think he could actually go in front of Stanley.

I do like Adams. I just don't like him quite that much. If we're looking QB at that spot I like Cook, Lynch, and Prescott. And those top two are probably not there.

I don't like Westerman quite that much but I do like him. I wouldn't be upset to come away with him.

I love Mitchell. He has electric athleticism and I agree that he is probably the best route runner in the draft.

Mayes is worth a late look. He was a JUCO and didn't produce much at Georgia but he's a big guy that might have some potential and could fall under the radar in a loaded DL class.

I really like Blythe a lot. He's limited, but as a zone blocking Center he could be a really good player.

Williams and Barber are both big RBs that could contribute. They'll never be studs but this late that's not something you're likely to find.
 
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I like it.

Except I don't think Kubiak likes Ben Jones for much of anything. He won't be going to Denver.
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I don't understand how you came up with this premise. Didn't he start a number of games as a rookie (one of the very few who did for K) and continue starting every year?
 
Spriggs would be a great get. Reminds me of Lane Johnson who came out of Oklahoma, tough, athletic, long arms, great footwork, he just keep rising & rising up the board all the way to #4.
Adams is very underrated except by you, think you could get him in the 3rd? Has a strong, accurate arm, great leadership & intangibles. Thing about him is susceptibility to injury.
Westernman strikes me more of a Center prospect his strength is in phone booth, lacks athletic ability outside box.
Lol the munchie take. Like Mitchell, could replace one or both current slot receivers.
Would defiantly take a look. How many of us feel Wilfork is post toastie, ala Ed Reed, Lol
really focusing on interior, not a terrible idea, but who is your safety choice?

Overall strong draft I would take & roll with :wesmantexanfan:
 
beerlover said:
Adams is very underrated except by you, think you could get him in the 3rd? H who is your safety choice?

Overall strong draft I would take & roll with :wesmantexanfan:
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That seems to be the case with many of my QB evals. In the 3rd? Yeah possibly but like I said, do to Russell Wilson (drafted in RD3) success, my guess is folks will not be as ready to overlook a sub 6' QB as they once were. I don't think Adams makes it to the 3rd RD if Kaepernick doesn't stay in SF. I like Free Agency for Safety unless Brrooks and/or Jones are re-signed. Outside of Wentz and Goff I think the Texans already have the rest of the QBs in this draft on their roster with the exception of Vernon Adams.
 
Texian said:
That seems to be the case with many of my QB evals. In the 3rd? Yeah possibly but like I said, do to Russell Wilson (drafted in RD3) success, my guess is folks will not be as ready to overlook a sub 6' QB as they once were. I don't think Adams makes it to the 3rd RD if Kaepernick doesn't stay in SF. I like Free Agency for Safety unless Brrooks and/or Jones are re-signed. Outside of Wentz and Goff I think the Texans already have the rest of the QBs in this draft on their roster with the exception of Vernon Adams.
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true that
 
bah007 said:
I don't mean this as a knock on you Texian. I like your draft and I'll get to that in a minute. I just want to touch on this real quick.

I don't like the current trend of projecting the top short QB each year as the next Russell Wilson. Last year it was Manziel and this year it is Adams.

I don't think there will necessarily be a "next" Russell Wilson. And that's part of the reason I liked him so much when he was coming into the draft. He had all the plus attributes of an undersized scrambler, but was a pass-first pocket thrower with outstanding tape and production in a pro style offense. As a prospect, he really wasn't that much different from Andrew Luck except he was just a miniature version.

I do like Adams. I have him around the 4th round right now. He's accurate. He seems intelligent. He has enough arm. But he played in wide open spread option offenses at both of his schools and the body of work is just not there to feel comfortable taking him any earlier in the draft.
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I understand, I knew from the get go that again I would be in a minority on Adams. I don't think there's a chance that OB would consider Adams because I can't see OB running Pete Carrol's offense. This is another time we may disagree on a player but I think we agree more on players than we disagree. My reasons why I think Vernon Adams could be the next best QB after Goff and Wentz;

1. Adams was #1 in Passing Efficiency AND was also #1 in yards per attempt. What I find fascinating about this is he maintained his #1 Efficiency Rating while throwing for over 10 yds per attempt. To accomplish this I'm not sure anyone sees the field better. And he did this after breaking his finger in his first game at Oregon. http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo.../vernon-adams-oregon-fcs-transfer-2015-season

2. When you look at his 4 year resume while at Eastern Washington you won't find many better. I found it to be quite remarkable, better than Wentz': http://goeags.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3559&path=football

3. He stepped in for Mariota at Oregon and they barely missed a beat. Adams beat Goff, Hogan and Kessler and was the better QB on the field and almost beat Cook with broken finger.

4. He threw for 136 TDs and Won 43 games in his college career.

5. When it comes to 4th quarter performances on a BIG stage and Bright Lights, Adams has proved that he can perform and performed quite well.

6. At the East- West Shrine game Adams was far and away the best player on the field. (MVP)
 
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I understand, I knew from the get go that again I would be in a minority on Adams. I don't think there's a chance that OB would consider Adams because I can't see OB running Pete Carrol's offense. This is another time we may disagree on a player but I think we agree more on players than we disagree. My reasons why I think Vernon Adams could be the next best QB after Goff and Wentz;
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Not wanting to speak for bah007... but this is one of the reasons I believe conversations with you get convoluted.

He's not disagreeing that Vernon Adams may very well be the next best QB after Goff & Wentz. His issue is the "next Russell Wilson" thing, when Adams has little in common with Wilson, especially the things that make Wilson special.
 
thunderkyss said:
Not wanting to speak for bah007... but this is one of the reasons I believe conversations with you get convoluted.

He's not disagreeing that Vernon Adams may very well be the next best QB after Goff & Wentz. His issue is the "next Russell Wilson" thing, when Adams has little in common with Wilson, especially the things that make Wilson special.
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First I find there to be a considerable difference in RD 2 and RD4 QB selection. I didn't mean to be convoluted, so let me try again. I think Vernon Adams total body of work in college is more representative of Russell Wilson or Tyrod Taylor than any other QBs in the league. I don't consider Adams a run first QB. His 4 year rushing stats will bear that out. Adams like Russell is very good at extending the play and finding the open receiver. Adams like Russell is very good at finding a way to win. Bah and I have differences of opinions on these points and so we disagree but that's OK. So to be clear and clear up any convulsion, Bah thinks Adams a 4th RD, I'm thinking 2nd RD, Bah doesn't think Adams compares to Russell Wilson, I do. We good?

Oh and just to be clear I never thought that Johnny Manziel was a Russell Wilson type comparison. I liked Johnny, I think he is the most exciting college player I have seen. However based on the two LSU games I didn't think Manziel would be successful QB in the NFL. Johnny is a run first QB, keeping him the pocket AKA LSU neutralizes Johnny.
 
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I think we both see where the other stands. We both like the guy. We just disagree a little bit on the degree to which we like him.

Most often when I see the Wilson comparison with any young QB it seems forced. I think it has more to do with evaluators trying and hoping to find the next Wilson than it has to do with an honest feeling that the player is actually as similar to Wilson as they say they think he is. Anyway, that's just a personal feeling on my part. I had Wilson graded as a 1st round pick. And if I thought some guy were the next Wilson I'd be saying draft him in the 1st, not the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th.

I actually did get to see Adams play in person back in 2013 when Eastern Washington played at Sam Houston and I was impressed. SHSU won handily and Adams did throw a pick six, but he was only a sophomore at that time playing from behind in a monsoon (the game started late and was delayed again at the half due to the weather) while his defense gave up 450 rushing yards. There was a lot on his shoulders and I thought he played about as well as you could expect. He didn't make a lot of wow plays but he was calm and collected and just kept making throws. By the end of the game you were looking at the stats and he had 355 yards and 3 TDs on only 31 throws. Watching the game you wouldn't have guessed his numbers were that good but he was just very efficient.
 
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1. Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana - Why? Because I believe Duane Brown is done.

2. Austin Johnson, NT, Penn St - Why? Because the twilight of Wilfork's career there is more dark than there is light.

3. Miles Killebrew, SS, Southern Utah - Because Texans weakest link is safety.

4. Malcom Mitchell, WR, Georgia - Why? Because Strong has the munchies and likely shows up over weight again and Mitchell is the best route runner in this draft and perfect compliment to Nuk.

5. DeAndre Houston-Carson, FS, Bill & Mary - Why? Because he can play also play CB.

5. Austin Blythe, C, Iowa - Why? Ben Jones could also be on his way to Denver or some where else. (subject to change if Jones stays)

6. Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas or Peyton Barber, RB, Auburn - Why? Doubtful Foster returns to form. If Williams passes all medicals and does everything at Pro Day well or go with Barber.

Let her rip Boys and Girls.....
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***REVISED***

With the subtraction of Brandon Brooks and the addition of Jeff Allen, Christian Westerman is now out. Replacing Westerman is Miles Killebrew, SS, Southern Utah

With the signing of Osweiller, QB is no longer a high priority, Adams is out, Austin Johnson is in.

With Mays out, Houston Carson is in.
 
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Texian, since I respect your opinions I want to ask you about a prospect. I was looking at TE's in this draft and none of them really stand out to me from a receiving respect, however I'm quickly loving Nick Vannett from Ohio State. Love his blocking both running and passing, I like his frame, 6'6" long arms, 10" hands. What are your thoughts on him? I think he's the best "complete" TE in the draft even though he's not the best receiving TE. Like I said though no rTE's stand out to me though. My current rankings are Hooper, Vannett, Henry
 
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Texian, since I respect your opinions I want to ask you about a prospect. I was looking at TE's in this draft and none of them really stand out to me from a receiving respect, however I'm quickly loving Nick Vannett from Ohio State. Love his blocking both running and passing, I like his frame, 6'6" long arms, 10" hands. What are your thoughts on him? I think he's the best "complete" TE in the draft even though he's not the best receiving TE. Like I said though no rTE's stand out to me though. My current rankings are Hooper, Vannett, Henry
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Brandon I've to admit today I'm more of a semi-retired draftnik and I really have only focused on a few positions this year, TE not being one of them. Honestly it appears you're better informed about Vannett than I. In this case I have to defer to Wolverine or Bah007. Wolverine follows the Big10 closely and may be your best source on Vannett. FYI - OSU Pro day is coming up on NFLN and you can watch Vannett live.

UPDATE: Watching OSU Pro Day some initial thoughts on Vannett, needs to bulk up and get stronger, sloppy running routes, not crisp at all.
 
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Brandon420tx said:
Texian, since I respect your opinions I want to ask you about a prospect. I was looking at TE's in this draft and none of them really stand out to me from a receiving respect, however I'm quickly loving Nick Vannett from Ohio State. Love his blocking both running and passing, I like his frame, 6'6" long arms, 10" hands. What are your thoughts on him? I think he's the best "complete" TE in the draft even though he's not the best receiving TE. Like I said though no rTE's stand out to me though. My current rankings are Hooper, Vannett, Henry
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Skills set wise he is desirable. Very good blocker. Most OSU TE's are good blockers because Urban Meyer loves running a ton of zone stuff and shooting his TE's to the backside to seal. Size wise he needs to get a bit bigger/stronger but he has a nice frame and he is plenty athletic. Catches the ball very well but his routes aren't all that great. Not really his fault because OSU simply does not utilize their TE's in the passing game so they don't get a ton of exposure to running routes.

I like him, but he's a developmental guy. Problem is this is such a weak TE draft that he will be going in the 3rd round despite being a bit of a project. He has upside but it seems like a waste to me to take a #2 TE in the 3rd round in a draft that is so deep at O-Line and D-Line (both big needs for us).
 
Yeah basically those were my 2 major knocks on him. Speed and poor route running. I still like him for his size, (6' 6" is pretty big) and blocking ability and think any team that gets him is going to love him. If the end of the 4th starts rolling around and he's still on board I'm going to start doing a rain dance until we draft him.

Sorry for derailing the thread for a little bit Texian.
 
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An Updated look at Indiana Tackle Jason Spriggs
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My initial report included two games from 2014 and two early games from 2015. After watching those tapes I felt comfortable with my grade. After viewing some late season tape, the Senior Bowl practices and game and the Combine, I have to admit that I missed on Spriggs. He is bigger, stronger, more athletic and just plain more productive than I originally gave him credit for. That said, here is my revised report on Jason.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/an-updated-look-at-indiana-tackle-jason-spriggs/
 
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