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Texans Wont Draft Bush
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MorKnolle
All Pro
tulexan said:
Napa Auto Parts said:
So we should ignore our pathetic pass blocking just because our run blocking is decent? We need to pick up OLinemen that can both pass block and run block, and with so many good ones available we can trade down and pick up three stellar OL to build a great young offense that will be together for years.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
MorKnolle said:
I never said that we should ignore our pathetic pass blocking. I just said that our run blocking actually isn't that bad. And it's not. Everyone is saying how we have such a terrible run blocking unit and how we never create any holes. We do. We just can't pass block.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
anybody else suddenly worried about reggie bush's knee? i mean....people on this board were hot for mcgahee until he got it shredded in the national championship......suddenly reggie is being clamored for and he is bout to play in the national championship.......
YoungTexanFan
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swtbound07 said:
kind of like that streak of guys on the cover of madden. they all got hurt the next year. it was a few of them too, all consecutive i believe.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
stevo3883 said:
yea, no need to worry about a Texan being on the cover though.
texplayer2
Waterboy
YoungTexanFan said:
I don't know, maybe one of them could change that trend.
MorKnolle
All Pro
stevo3883 said:
Let's look at Barry Sanders' stats from 1988 vs. Reggie Bush's from 2005 and see who's a better RB. Even though Bush is a great all-round athlete and has receiving and kick returning stats that make him the most versatile and best college player ever, Domanick Davis' receiving stats are left off when comparing him to other NFL RBs to show that he is lousy, so I'll leave Bush's receiving and returning stats off and just compare rushing stats since that alone is what makes a RB good and is what makes a RB a lock for NFL stardom and the best player to come out of college in 20 years. So let's see who the best college RB is ever:
..............................Barry Sanders....Reggie Bush
Year.............................1988...............2005
Games played...................11..................12
Rushing attempts.............344.................187
Rushing yards.................2628...............1658
Yards per carry................7.6.................8.9
Rushing TDs.....................37..................15
Rushing yards per game...238.9..............138.2
TDs per game.................3.36................1.25
Sanders had four games with 300+ rushing yards while Bush has zero. Sanders had 1,472 yards over a span of 5 games, Bush's highest is 846 yards over a 5 game stretch. Sanders scored at least 2 rushing TDs in every game that season, Bush has only had 2+ rushing TDs in 5 out of 12 games this year. Sanders' single-season yards, TDs, and TDs per game stats for 1988 are still NCAA single-season records.
Reggie Bush undeniably has some physical gifts and talents that are close to that of Barry Sanders, but he has not proven in any way that he is as capable of a RB.
texplayer2
Waterboy
MorKnolle said:
Who else was on the team with Barry? The guys Bush plays with are all going to the pros. Wasn't Barry the one man show? Stats are all relative. If you take and run the number of carries up to around the same, the #'s
would be much closer, IF percentages held the same. They MAY have even been even closer with more touches.
R
real
Guest
As much as I hate to i have to agree on that one...Not because i think bush doesn't have the talent, but for the simple fact that he hasn't proven himself...But on the other hand, you can't blame fans for wanting Bush...He is an exciting player, and that he has proven...He is also a very productive player...That he has proven. What he hasnt "proven" to most...is that he is durable...I understand why the questions of durablity come up...but come on people... He's the best freakin talent coming out...some of you may say he's only done it in college...HELLO...every player coming out has only done it in college...Look you guys would have a better argument if you questioned need for the team...but for god sakes please stop questioning his talent....MorKnolle said:
tulexan
Hall of Fame
I'm not saying that Reggie Bush is Barry Sanders because I believe that Barry is the greatest running back of all time. He could've shattered almost all career rushing records if he wanted. But Reggie Bush has been the closest thing to him so far. His stats aren't near Barry Sanders' stats, but if he had 344 carries they might have been much closer. I don't know much about the late 80's Oklahoma State team, but I don't think they had another good running back like LenDale White, one of the top quarterbacks in the NCAA like Matt Leinart, and one of the top receivers like Dwayne Jarrett. I'm sure Barry Sanders was the focal point of the offense where Bush is just the best weapon in a loaded offense.
R
real
Guest
but thats the thing... it's easier to have outrageous stats when you are THE weapon...when there are so many others that are talented, and you still stand out above the rest...
beerlover
Hall of Fame
tulexan said:
Barry Sanders the greatest running back of all time? 1086-87 he gained less than 1,000 yards. not to add insult to injury but you don't think they had another good running back like LenDale White? Does Thurman Thomas count? It was only until after Thomas left to NFL fame with Buffalo did Sanders get the lions share of carries, that was his breakout year 2,600 yds & 39 tds for state. But hey I guess most people don't remember back that far at the time however he seemed like a one year wonder & had a great bowl game I enjoyed that very much
R
real
Guest
so what are you saying ?
run-david-run
All Pro
How does having DD stop the D from keying on Bush? Unless you plan on having them both in the backfield at the same time, it really dosnt matter if we have Bush or DD because one of them will be on the sideline! It works for USC because they have a great line and great receivers, something sorley lacking with the Texans. I dont want to invest $40 M in a player who will get 15 carries and 5 catches a game when we have one who has proven he can be effective running and catching for half the price and a much greater need present at O-line and linebackerbeerlover said:we do not need to trade Davis if we draft Bush, as a matter of fact is not that a very good combination? maybe Dominack Davis does not have the size of LenDale White but he is a very good inside the tackle runner, with good hands to also catch out of the backfield. IF USC did not have LenDale White it would much easier to key of Reggie, I would expect USC to run straight at Texas alot more that some people expect. the point being we need both of them for a balanced offense, one does not preclude the other
R
real
Guest
you just don't wanna change your name
run-david-run
All Pro
Finnally, now I can watch my Texans lose because they cant protect Carr in my new Reggie Bush sneakers. My life is finally complete!!!beerlover said:1). The Texans will still have their 2nd, 3rd plus Saints 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th picks. are you telling me if the Texans pick Reggie Bush none of those matter?
2). Does anyone here still have confidence in Charlie Casserly trading down? not to mention the prospects he will target and take.
3). A playmakaker like Reggie Bush makes everyone better.
4). If we have to tear everything down, what a way to start over.
5). The Texans where 7-9 last year, there is something going on besides the players lack of confidence.
6). If someone makes a offer that blows our minds, well then yeah trade down but it would have to be a whopper not just a biggie.
7). A bush in the hand is worth two on top of the mountain or the bottom of a valley.
8). Reggie would put fans back in the seats, not to mention winning again.
9). Carr will no longer be the franchise, Reggie is very marketable and will inspire his own shoe deal, advertisements and Texan name brand recognition.
10). I want to buy a Texans jersey with Reggie Bush name & number 5 (I checked no Texan has this number
Another Bush a Texan
run-david-run
All Pro
If you want to see just how good our run blocking is, go and watch the Browns game again. I think DD was hit in the backfield every other carry... Also, because other teams know we cant throw deep, they stack the box, making it much harder to run the ball. Pass blocking really hurts our run blocking, we need to improve both...tulexan said:
tulexan
Hall of Fame
beerlover said:Barry Sanders the greatest running back of all time? 1086-87 he gained less than 1,000 yards. not to add insult to injury but you don't think they had another good running back like LenDale White? Does Thurman Thomas count? It was only until after Thomas left to NFL fame with Buffalo did Sanders get the lions share of carries, that was his breakout year 2,600 yds & 39 tds for state. But hey I guess most people don't remember back that far at the time however he seemed like a one year wonder & had a great bowl game I enjoyed that very much
I'm a little confused. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? Your tone sounds like you are disagreeing, yet your argument supports exactly what I am saying.
R
real
Guest
run-david-run said:
Of course...but that is an open statement...There is always room for improvement, and how does our pass blocking hurt our run blocking???
beerlover
Hall of Fame
tulexan said:
BREAKDOWN-
Barry Sanders was a GREAT RB but not all time, his College career does not support this arguement. its not just about numbers, in my view its about National Championships, Rose Bowls, BCS Bowls, Superbowls and the like.
Barry Sanders had his LenDale White, I guess you missed that his name was Thurman Thomas while he did not put up Sanders numbers in the NFL he went to 4 straight Superbowls. not the highlight reel kinda guy but effective and a winner.
The common element between Sanders & Bush is their ability to maintain gravity defying balance. Sanders could stop time and strike a pose while the whole world kept spinning.... right on by him. Bush can change motion from zero to 60 in 5 sec. however there is a distinct difference in personalities here that needs to be mentioned, Sanders shed the limelight like he shed would be tacklers eventually shedding his NFL stardom for obscurity. Bush is a prime time phenomenon while articulate & soft spoken off the field he relishes in the trash talking gamesmenship of elite competition.
MorKnolle
All Pro
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't question his athletic talent, although I do question people that say he is a lock for Hall of Fame or he's the best player to come out in 40 years and that kind of nonsense. I can't say I wouldn't want Bush on my team, but with the way our team currently is, if we end up with the #1 pick I think it would be much better for the overall talent of the team to trade the pick down.
xtruroyaltyx said:
That has been another part of my point, Bush has put up good stats with amazing talent around him, but he has yet to "prove" that he can carry the entire load of a team on his shoulders and be the main go-to guy that so many people are claiming he's proven that he will be able to do in the NFL.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
MorKnolle said:
I see what you are saying, but hasn't he done that in some of the big games this season? Leinart was struggling against UCLA and Reggie Bush took over and had 250 yards in the first half. The same thing happened against Fresno State and against Notre Dame. What I have noticed from him is that he steps up in big games and raises his game to another level. I think that trait is something that you only see in great players. A lot of good players will disappear when the game counts while the cream rises to the top and you see who is great and who is good.