Texans Wont Draft Bush

[texplayer2]

1. Yes picking Reggie Bush does matter. It matters because its a player that wont improve our team. Ok lets say we do. 1st down run the ball with Bush 3 yard gain. 2nd down they blitz us lack of pass protection 3-13. 3rd down blitz us again maybe we get the pass off for a short gain. Doesnt this sound familiar.

Have you seen the way USC uses Bush it is not just three yards and a cloud of dust. The third down dink pass you are talking about is a very good dump it to Bush in the secondary and watch him run pass. They used it on the third down in the Notre Dame game for about nine yards before the 60 yard 4th down pass. You would be improving your speed and short passing games. Making blitzing less effective.

 

[Vinny]

yes and I'm going to wear my #5 Reggie Bush Texans jersey to the house

I wouldn't spend any cash on that....if he comes he won't wear #5.

 

[Daonly]

The people who don't won't Reggie Bush are the ones who don't follow College Football. They say trade down and grab more picks? Who??? WHO??? to grab? a few more SCRUBS to go along with the SCRUBS we already have??? we need elite players on this team and there are only TWO! players in this draft worth taking that's Reggie Bush and AJ Hawk, if you can't put those two guys in your sentence when you speak about the draft you don't know what you're talking about. If the Texans don't get Reggie Bush or AJ Hawk with a GANG LOAD of picks this team will forever be in the Cellar!

 

[texan279]

Don't know if it's old news but ESPN just had a breaking news piece that Bush will declare for the draft this year and skip his senior season.

 

[texan279]

The people who don't won't Reggie Bush are the ones who don't follow College Football. They say trade down and grab more picks? Who??? WHO??? to grab? a few more SCRUBS to go along with the SCRUBS we already have??? we need elite players on this team and there are only TWO! players in this draft worth taking that's Reggie Bush and AJ Hawk, if you can't put those two guys in your sentence when you speak about the draft you don't know what you're talking about. If the Texans don't get Reggie Bush or AJ Hawk with a GANG LOAD of picks this team will forever be in the Cellar!

So what you're saying is every team except the ones with the top 2 picks should just stay home and not even show up to the draft? Some here speak as if Bush is Superman. People talk about how he can line up in the slot, what good is that going to do when Carr only has time to check one option? How will he handle hits in the backfield in the NFL? Will he be able to turn negative yards into positive like DD?

 

[Daonly]

yeah you took the words right out of my mouth; Bush,and Hawk are the only ones that are a "LOCK" to be great at the next level barring injury. As of pure Skills and Heart there at a Elite Status. So with the Texans having at least a top 5 pick this year we should at least grab either Bush or Hawk (with picks to move down if we grab him.)

 

[texan279]

Ahhh, the great debate. This will be debated for a long time. I see people comparing Oakland, GB, and other teams in here. And none of us know what will happen. I have never understood the draft with out picks and never will. Reggie Bush is a big time playmaker now and will be in the pros. He is our once in a lifetime pick without giving up the farm to get him. This draft is so deep in O-Lineman, we can pick them for 2 days and fix our problem. But one thing is clear for sure...

No matter what happens on draft day, everyone will NOT be happy..

I for one, want Reggie Bush here if possible...

Didn't the great Mike Ditka give up a whole draft for a RB at New Orleans?
Didn't Oakland take a great O-Lineman with 2nd overall pick?
Didn't NY give up a next year's 1 pick to trade up 2 spots?

My point is, 1 great O-Lineman will not help us win, just ask Oakland. But 1 Reggie Bush type player will, ask TB.... Trading down just doesnt make any sense to me when we ALL know there are no guarantees in the draft. Who in here can tell me that if we traded down and got D'Brick that on the first play from scrimmage in a pre-season game he wont go down with a torn ligament and be out for the season? Who can tell me 1 person in the draft is a sure fire winner? Let's take our chances, cut T Hollings, draft Bush, 2nd and 3rd picks pick up some O-Line help and go from there. Houston deserves to see a fine runner in action all the time, not when they come here to visit. We have to get the caliber of players that can put points on the board to beat Indy. You are not going to stop em so you have to outscore em.....

You say trading down and taking D'Brick with our first pick could be risky because there is no guarantee, and there is no one player in the draft that is sure fire, then you turn around and say "let's take our chances" and cut Hollings and draft Bush? And as far Cadillac Williams and Tampa Bay, Williams has 924 yards, 5 rushing TD's, 4.1 YPC average, 67 yards recieving and no receiving TD's this season compared to DD's 976 yards, 2 rushing TD's, 4.2 YPC average, 337 yards receiving, and 4 receiving TD's. As far as asking Oakland about how their one offensive lineman helped them in the draft, ask them how trading for their #1 WR helped them out also, it didn't, so Oakland added a "great" offensive lineman through the draft, Randy Moss and LaMont Jordan through trade/free agency and they are still not improved, and I still don't think by adding Bush it would make us the superteam some think.

 

[Daonly]

Moss been hurt and bang up.. plus the offense don't go through Moss it's the running game first. Moss don't get half the balls thrown to him as he did in Minnesota. We all know Bush is the next best thing to happen to the (NFL) in a long time, and for us to have a solid chance to grab him makes fans from other teams PISSED OFF!Just be glad that we are in this position.

 

[texan279]

Moss been hurt and bang up.. plus the offense don't go through Moss it's the running game first. Moss don't get half the balls thrown to him as he did in Minnesota. We all know Bush is the next best thing to happen to the (NFL) in a long time, and for us to have a solid chance to grab him makes fans from other teams PISSED OFF!Just be glad that we are in this position.

And Derrick Johnson was the next Lawrence Taylor and this place erupted when we passed on him, and he has all of 76 tackles and 2 sacks compared to Greenwood's 97 tackles and 2 sacks...

 

[royce1054]

Have you seen the way USC uses Bush it is not just three yards and a cloud of dust. The third down dink pass you are talking about is a very good dump it to Bush in the secondary and watch him run pass. They used it on the third down in the Notre Dame game for about nine yards before the 60 yard 4th down pass. You would be improving your speed and short passing games. Making blitzing less effective.

Wow you guys are so totally locked in on what you want the Texans to have you are not looking at the big picture. First of if our O-line doesnt upgrade and Bush is the backfield instead of Davis we will be saying the same thing that we are saying this year except about Bush. USC has an O-line and TE that we dont have. Plus its the Pac 10 football minus Notre Dame really doesnt say too much against an NFL D-line. 1st of what makes u think with our pass blocking that we can throw a 60 yard TD pass. MAKES NO SENSE. First of knowone will stop blitzing up til we upgrade our O-line and get a TE not get BUSH

 

[royce1054]

yes and I'm going to wear my #5 Reggie Bush Texans jersey to the house

Still you are caught up in this and you are going to be heart broken when the professionals that pick dont take him. You make no sense... you are listening to someone that is not a Dan Reeves or a high ranking member of the Texans front office. If one of them comes out and says we will take him i will say ok and prepare for another 3-13 season

 

[royce1054]

The people who don't won't Reggie Bush are the ones who don't follow College Football. They say trade down and grab more picks? Who??? WHO??? to grab? a few more SCRUBS to go along with the SCRUBS we already have??? we need elite players on this team and there are only TWO! players in this draft worth taking that's Reggie Bush and AJ Hawk, if you can't put those two guys in your sentence when you speak about the draft you don't know what you're talking about. If the Texans don't get Reggie Bush or AJ Hawk with a GANG LOAD of picks this team will forever be in the Cellar!

well if you know college football then stick to it because you dont know the NFL. We can trade down take Winston, or if we have questions on Wong take a A.J. Hawk or find a capable replacement in Buchannon in Jimmy WIlliams CB va Tech. Any one of those helps our team better than Bush. Then we take the picks we get trade back up in the 1st round get another top talent. Appearently you still thinking this is a Casserly draft who take Bush then not make a deal for some horrible talent. This is a Dan Reeves draft who will get rid of the players he doesnt want. Bring in his own coach. Draft the players he wants ala Brian Finneran and Ed MacCaffney. I mean come on are you blind

 

[beerlover]

And Derrick Johnson was the next Lawrence Taylor and this place erupted when we passed on him, and he has all of 76 tackles and 2 sacks compared to Greenwood's 97 tackles and 2 sacks...

Derrick Johnson plays LOLB in a 4-3, LT was a weakside linebacker in a 3-4 more like DeMarcus Ware. Greenwood has more tackles because he is basicly a MLB or ILB if you like similar to Sharper in the 3-4 where they are supposed to get the largest chunk of stats, still at 97 he is not that far ahead of a rookie playing in a 4-3 with 91.

Not sure what this analogy has to do with Bush? are you saying Bush is too hyped by fans, media, players & coaches? heck he was jobbed last year in the heisman, after all he was the teams MVP

 

[beerlover]

Still you are caught up in this and you are going to be heart broken when the professionals that pick dont take him. You make no sense... you are listening to someone that is not a Dan Reeves or a high ranking member of the Texans front office. If one of them comes out and says we will take him i will say ok and prepare for another 3-13 season

no but I'll save money not purchasing a Texans jersey

 

[texan279]

Derrick Johnson plays LOLB in a 4-3, LT was a weakside linebacker in a 3-4 more like DeMarcus Ware. Greenwood has more tackles because he is basicly a MLB or ILB if you like similar to Sharper in the 3-4 where they are supposed to get the largest chunk of stats, still at 97 he is not that far ahead of a rookie playing in a 4-3 with 91.

Not sure what this analogy has to do with Bush? are you saying Bush is too hyped by fans, media, players & coaches? heck he was jobbed last year in the heisman, after all he was the teams MVP

The relevance between Bush and DJ is this board had DJ fever during the offseason before the last draft and when we passed on him and traded down this board literally exploded, which I am sure would happen again if we do not draft Bush with the chance to do so. The reason I made the comparison between DJ and LT is that some scouts and some posters here were saying that DJ was the second coming of LT before the last draft. And the reason I compared Greenwood to DJ is because DJ would have played ILB here if we had drafted him. Shante Orr and DaShon Polk have more sacks this season in limited playing time than DJ does...And DJ has 76 tackles, not 91...

 

[beerlover]

And DJ has 76 tackles, not 91...

if your comparing players at least compare apples to apples. Morlan Greenwood has 71 tackles & 26 assited for a total of 97. Derrick Johnson has 70 tackles & 21 assited for a total of 91.

you stand corrected

and for the record I was never on the DJ bandwagon, until he was available. the #1 player on my draft board was DeMarcus Ware, who just so happens to have a similar style to LT. funny how what goes around comes around

 

[texan279]

if your comparing players at least compare apples to apples. Morlan Greenwood has 71 tackles & 26 assited for a total of 97. Derrick Johnson has 70 tackles & 21 assited for a total of 91.

you stand corrected

and for the record I was never on the DJ bandwagon, until he was available. the #1 player on my draft board was DeMarcus Ware, who just so happens to have a similar style to LT. funny how what goes around comes around

I am just going off what nfl.com says, which is DJ has 61 tackles and 15 assists, which is 76, and Greenwood has 71 tackles and 26 assists totaling 97 tackles and I double checked it through SI.com...

 

[beerlover]

I am just going off what nfl.com says, which is DJ has 61 tackles and 15 assists, which is 76, and Greenwood has 71 tackles and 26 assists totaling 97 tackles and I double checked it through SI.com...

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/misc/dstats_thru13.pdf

 

[texan279]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/misc/dstats_thru13.pdf

I can't get the page to open, I'll take a look when I get to work in a little while.

 

[tulexan]

Davis does not have a tradable contract, it will cost us $7 million against our cap to trade or cut him.

I'm sorry but I am still confused on how we would have a $7 million hit against the cap. Domanick Davis signed a 4 year contract worth $22 million with $8 million in guaranteed money. We have played 1 season so $2 million has been amortized off of the contract which leaves $6 million left to be amortized throughout the rest of his 4 year contract.

Question 1.9b
If that is the case, why are so many players cut AFTER June 1?

Answer: After June 1, the team can stretch their salary cap liability over the next 2 seasons. Let's look at our example above, where a player signs a big contract for 4 years, including a $1 million signing bonus.

If the player is cut after the first year of the contract, the remaining $750,000 of the "un-amoratized" signing bonus hits the cap immediately (accelerates). However, if he is cut after June 1, the team can spread that money over Year 2 and 3 of the contract instead of taking the full brunt of the cap hit in Year 2.

Doing this will save $500,000 against the cap hit for Year 2.

Clearly, this practice is a nice way of freeing up cap space in a given year. Note, however, that the money still has to be repaid and the remaining $500,000 will hit the cap in Year 3. In essence, many NFL teams have mortgaged their future by overusing this practice, whereby they continue to pay against the cap for players who have not been on the roster for over a year.

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

Our cap hit on a trade or a cut would be $3 million if done correctly. But again I am not saying that we should get rid of him, I like Davis I just think that a 1-2 punch of Davis and Bush would be one of the best in the league and that we can address the offensive line through free agency and the rest of the draft.

 

[Hottoddie]

I'm on the trade down for picks band wagon.

So, in regards to the debate over Bush, I've got 2 words for you.

Barry Sanders!!!

In my opinion, Sanders is one of the best, most electrifying, RB's in the history of the game. But, even he couldn't carry the Lions to the Super Bowl. He played for 10 years from 1989-1998 & yet, the Lions finished above .500 in only 6 of those years. They made the playoffs in only 5 of those years & had a playoff record of just 1-5. Even in Barry's best year, when he ran for 2,053 yards, the team went 9-7 & lost in the first round of the playoffs.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=24108

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=23787

1989 (7-9) .438 3rd NFC Central (1,470 yards)
1990 (6-10) .375 3rd NFC Central (1,304 yards)
1991 (12-4) .750 1st NFC Central (1,548 yards)
1992 (5-11) .313 5th NFC Central (1,352 yards)
1993 (10-6) .625 1st NFC Central (1,115 yards in 11 games)
1994 (9-7) .563 3rd NFC Central (1,883 yards)
1995 (10-6) .625 2nd NFC Central (1,500 yards)
1996 (5-11) .313 5th NFC Central (1,553 yards)
1997 (9-7) .563 3rd NFC Central (2,053 yards) (only 5 RB's in the history of the game have rushed for more than 2,000 yards in a season)
1998 (5-11) .313 4th NFC Central (1,491 yards)

Imagine what he could've done behind the line that Emmitt ran behind. I'm sorry for the draft Bush fans, but there's no way that one player can carry a team in the NFL. Unless, of course, his name is Earl Campbell. We've got to rebuild the OL & this is a great year for doing it.

 

[Daonly]

I'm on the trade down for picks band wagon.

So, in regards to the debate over Bush, I've got 2 words for you.

Barry Sanders!!!

In my opinion, Sanders is one of the best, most electrifying, RB's in the history of the game. But, even he couldn't carry the Lions to the Super Bowl. He played for 10 years from 1989-1998 & yet, the Lions finished above .500 in only 6 of those years. They made the playoffs in only 5 of those years & had a playoff record of just 1-5. Even in Barry's best year, when he ran for 2,053 yards, the team went 9-7 & lost in the first round of the playoffs.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=24108

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=23787

1989 (7-9) .438 3rd NFC Central (1,470 yards)
1990 (6-10) .375 3rd NFC Central (1,304 yards)
1991 (12-4) .750 1st NFC Central (1,548 yards)
1992 (5-11) .313 5th NFC Central (1,352 yards)
1993 (10-6) .625 1st NFC Central (1,115 yards in 11 games)
1994 (9-7) .563 3rd NFC Central (1,883 yards)
1995 (10-6) .625 2nd NFC Central (1,500 yards)
1996 (5-11) .313 5th NFC Central (1,553 yards)
1997 (9-7) .563 3rd NFC Central (2,053 yards) (only 5 RB's in the history of the game have rushed for more than 2,000 yards in a season)
1998 (5-11) .313 4th NFC Central (1,491 yards)

Imagine what he could've done behind the line that Emmitt ran behind. I'm sorry for the draft Bush fans, but there's no way that one player can carry a team in the NFL. Unless, of course, his name is Earl Campbell. We've got to rebuild the OL & this is a great year for doing it.

So what you want to do? past on one of the greatest college runnning back in years? Then build a nice solid online then maybe wait 10 years for the next greatest back in college football history to come around again, then maybe then maybe will have that 1st overall pick again??? Wow by that time our OL would be depleted once again and the circle continues!

 

[royce1054]

So what you want to do? past on one of the greatest college runnning back in years? Then build a nice solid online then maybe wait 10 years for the next greatest back in college football history to come around again, then maybe then maybe will have that 1st overall pick again??? Wow by that time our OL would be depleted once again and the circle continues!

absolultely. If we draft Bush we dont know how he will preform. His O-line in USC was good. THey have better weapons then we do. Hell USC could beat Houston right now. THey would blitz us death (as usual). Trust me we get a better pass blocking team, better play calling, and a good pass catching/blocking TE. Then all of the sudden now the SS has to leave the box. One less person to bring DD down. Now i will say if we get some guys in Free agency BEFORE the draft. I would be willing to change my tune. Until then i dont see any other scenario where we would take Bush. If we cut Carr we will go Leinhart. Those are the only scenarios i see. Plus anyways Leinhart has bad knees and with our O-line he wont last as long as Carr did. So i dont see us releasing Carr unless they plan to pick up Griese, Simms, Garcia one of those type players. Thats about it guys and girls. So unless we pick up FA OL in the 1st round expect us to trade down. I dont see DD getting released. He would cost too much. Carr if he doesnt come back a FA would have to come in. So for the Bush fans this is what you have to hope for. Plus anyways you can pick up good RB's in the 3rd or 4th round. Remember the BRONCOS

 

[tulexan]

I'm on the trade down for picks band wagon.

So, in regards to the debate over Bush, I've got 2 words for you.

Barry Sanders!!!

In my opinion, Sanders is one of the best, most electrifying, RB's in the history of the game. But, even he couldn't carry the Lions to the Super Bowl. He played for 10 years from 1989-1998 & yet, the Lions finished above .500 in only 6 of those years. They made the playoffs in only 5 of those years & had a playoff record of just 1-5. Even in Barry's best year, when he ran for 2,053 yards, the team went 9-7 & lost in the first round of the playoffs.

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=24108

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?cont_id=23787

1989 (7-9) .438 3rd NFC Central (1,470 yards)
1990 (6-10) .375 3rd NFC Central (1,304 yards)
1991 (12-4) .750 1st NFC Central (1,548 yards)
1992 (5-11) .313 5th NFC Central (1,352 yards)
1993 (10-6) .625 1st NFC Central (1,115 yards in 11 games)
1994 (9-7) .563 3rd NFC Central (1,883 yards)
1995 (10-6) .625 2nd NFC Central (1,500 yards)
1996 (5-11) .313 5th NFC Central (1,553 yards)
1997 (9-7) .563 3rd NFC Central (2,053 yards) (only 5 RB's in the history of the game have rushed for more than 2,000 yards in a season)
1998 (5-11) .313 4th NFC Central (1,491 yards)

Imagine what he could've done behind the line that Emmitt ran behind. I'm sorry for the draft Bush fans, but there's no way that one player can carry a team in the NFL. Unless, of course, his name is Earl Campbell. We've got to rebuild the OL & this is a great year for doing it.

So basically what you are saying is that no team would want Barry Sanders because his team was bad. Talent is talent, and a player who is even in the same conversation as Barry Sanders shouldn't be ignored because the Lions weren't a great team when he was there. It is not Barry's fault that the Lions management could not provide enough talent around Barry Sanders to make them a top team in the league.

 

[royce1054]

So basically what you are saying is that no team would want Barry Sanders because his team was bad. Talent is talent, and a player who is even in the same conversation as Barry Sanders shouldn't be ignored because the Lions weren't a great team when he was there. It is not Barry's fault that the Lions management could not provide enough talent around Barry Sanders to make them a top team in the league.

Dont you see the same thing happening here with our O-line as of right now

 

[tulexan]

No, because I think McNair is a better owner than the Ford family. If Reggie is anywhere near the talent that Barry Sanders is, then there is no question that you take him regardless of your running back situation.

 

[NederlandTexan]

Most mock draft have four OT's going in the first round. If Houston drafted Bush, there is still going to be a talented player at that position for us to draft in the second. However, if we trade down a couple of spots or not, and make our first pick Ferguson, what do we do with second round pick? Another tackle, no, and guards don't typically go this high. We could also package our 2nd and first 3rd round pick, and trade into the first round at about 19 or 20. The debate will continue and there is logic for both sides, but I couldn't pass on Reggie Bush.

 

[Hottoddie]

So basically what you are saying is that no team would want Barry Sanders because his team was bad. Talent is talent, and a player who is even in the same conversation as Barry Sanders shouldn't be ignored because the Lions weren't a great team when he was there. It is not Barry's fault that the Lions management could not provide enough talent around Barry Sanders to make them a top team in the league.

No where in my post did I say that "no team would want Barry Sanders". You're letting your love for Bush cloud the issue. By the way, Bush isn't even in Sander's league, yet. He hasn't played a single down with the elite of the elite in the NFL. All Bush is right now, is media hype & wishful thinking.

The point of the post was to show that even one of the greatest RB's in the history of the NFL couldn't carry a team that didn't have a strong foundation. A strong foundation begins on the OL/DL. If you'll take your blinders off & take a look around, our OL is pathetic.

A great OL can make an average RB & QB look like All-Pro's. DD is a more than adequate RB for us & we also have arguably one of the best WR's in the game today in AJ, along with a QB that, when given a little time, can get the ball to him in a hurry.

This year's draft is deep in quality offensive linemen, but to get one of the can't miss prospects, you have to draft him in the first round. By the way, D'Brick is considered to be one of the rare LT's that come along once every few years. Since linemen generally play for 10-15 years & RB's generally last 5-10 years, why wouldn't I go for the most bang for my buck?

And if that's not enough for you, while DD doesn't have break away speed, he does bust quite a few 10-20 yard runs. Imagine what he could do with a good OL & an improved passing game to keep the safeties honest.

 

[tulexan]

The only can't miss prospect in the draft is Reggie Bush. There are several good linemen, but none of them are can't miss prospects. Ferguson and Winston are good, but neither are as good as Robert Gallery, and Robert Gallery isn't as good as the can't miss talents of Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden.

And again, I think that some of the issues about the line are a little misleading. You are right, our offensive line is atrocious. One of the worst in the league. But that is for passing. Run blocking and pass blocking is very different. Run blocking we actually aren't that bad. Pass blocking of course is a different story. To make an example of this, you will notice that when David Carr goes to a 3-step drop our OL actually doesn't look that bad. We don't have a lot of pressure on him and he doesn't get sacked a lot. But once we go to a 5 and 7 step drop, we have the swiss cheese line and we look like a laughing stock of a team. Our line can block, but only for about 2 seconds. Fortunately for us we have a running back who can get to the line in fewer than 3 seconds, because if we didn't he wouldn't have nearly as good of stats.

 

[royce1054]

The only can't miss prospect in the draft is Reggie Bush. There are several good linemen, but none of them are can't miss prospects. Ferguson and Winston are good, but neither are as good as Robert Gallery, and Robert Gallery isn't as good as the can't miss talents of Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden.

And again, I think that some of the issues about the line are a little misleading. You are right, our offensive line is atrocious. One of the worst in the league. But that is for passing. Run blocking and pass blocking is very different. Run blocking we actually aren't that bad. Pass blocking of course is a different story. To make an example of this, you will notice that when David Carr goes to a 3-step drop our OL actually doesn't look that bad. We don't have a lot of pressure on him and he doesn't get sacked a lot. But once we go to a 5 and 7 step drop, we have the swiss cheese line and we look like a laughing stock of a team. Our line can block, but only for about 2 seconds. Fortunately for us we have a running back who can get to the line in fewer than 3 seconds, because if we didn't he wouldn't have nearly as good of stats.

First of all there is NO SUCH THING AS A CANT MISS. Like i said our pass blocking is bad. And the info i gave is not off. In a 3 step drop you really cant do much but hope a WR can break one or get 3-5 yards passes. So dont even try that. The fact is we need O-line to block in the passing game that way the running game will open up more than it is. I think DD is doing great knowing that our passing game is non-existant. You cant run the ball when there are 8 men in the box. And if u say thats not true you clearly have no clue on what you are talking about. Like i said before the ONLY WAY we can take bush is to sign some better pass blocking OL. Then we can spend $50 mil on a rb who will split time with a RB who makes alot himself. Remember the Henry deal last year... i think Buffalo got a what a 3rd round pick. DD is alittle better than Henry so we might be able to get a 2nd and definitely a 3rd if Reeves decides that. Still Bush wont solve our passing game problems. He would do the same things DD would do out of the backfield. Until this guy takes some hits from a NFL DL or LB pls DONT SAY HES A CANT MISS.... Lets see if he can take a real hit not a pac 10 hit. So back to the real subject. We sign an 1 maybe 2 OL in FA i say go for Bush.... unless we do that BEFORE the draft i dont see any possibility of us grabbing Bush because of our current situation it makes no sense. Now if we dont pick up Carr's 8mil dont expect us to take Leinhart because he wouldnt finish the season with this O-line. Basically as of now this is a no brainer Trade down... it is left to be seen if i change to saying draft Bush but our GM, Coach and Owner are gonna have to go out and spend money to get it. Dont worry about the TE we will get that in the 2nd or 3rd round. As for a CB to play opposite D ROB... if we dont sign any O-lineman we could go CB in 1st after trading down then trade back up for O-line and the end of the 1st round. But as of now its slim-none chance we take Bush. You want Bush start lobbying for us to sign some OL in FA

 

[texplayer2]

He would do the same things DD would do out of the backfield. Until this guy takes some hits from a NFL DL or LB pls DONT SAY HES A CANT MISS.... Lets see if he can take a real hit not a pac 10 hit. So back to the real subject. But as of now its slim-none chance we take Bush. You want Bush start lobbying for us to sign some OL in FA

What is a Pac-10 hit? You mean they hit people differently on the west coast? Man I thought physics determined the force of a hit.(size,distance,speed)? Are you saying someone is going to hit him differently? I think you are not looking at this guy for his talent. You are judging him off his affiliation with USC or the Pac-10? Sounds like a college grudge rather than a analytical look for talent for our team. I could care less which college team he is playing for I want the Texans to get the best Talent, not just get guys from Texas or from some region everyone around here is familar with. The man has taken hits from Hawaii to Notre Dame. He played Auburn,Va. Tech, and mighty Oklahoma last year. The Defense of USC the last two years was lights out and many of them are DLs or LBs in the NFL. Who do you think he practiced with? This thinking the man has never been hit is funny to me. Earlier in the year everyone is saying that he doesn't get the carries, then it's he doesn't get the touches near the goal line, and now its he can't take the hits? He got the carries as the year progress even with all the talent on that team. The two touch downs against UCLA were not to far off the goal line, Highlight reel herdals. And he definately can take the hits. We do need help on the line, but the talent level at that position is probably more even than the skill positions in this draft. Bush,o-line,defense or O-line,defense, Skill Guys. Which side of the pendulum looks better?

 

[royce1054]

What is a Pac-10 hit? You mean they hit people differently on the west coast? Man I thought physics determined the force of a hit.(size,distance,speed)? Are you saying someone is going to hit him differently? I think you are not looking at this guy for his talent. You are judging him off his affiliation with USC or the Pac-10? Sounds like a college grudge rather than a analytical look for talent for our team. I could care less which college team he is playing for I want the Texans to get the best Talent, not just get guys from Texas or from some region everyone around here is familar with. The man has taken hits from Hawaii to Notre Dame. He played Auburn,Va. Tech, and mighty Oklahoma last year. The Defense of USC the last two years was lights out and many of them are DLs or LBs in the NFL. Who do you think he practiced with? This thinking the man has never been hit is funny to me. Earlier in the year everyone is saying that he doesn't get the carries, then it's he doesn't get the touches near the goal line, and now its he can't take the hits? He got the carries as the year progress even with all the talent on that team. The two touch downs against UCLA were not to far off the goal line, Highlight reel herdals. And he definately can take the hits. We do need help on the line, but the talent level at that position is probably more even than the skill positions in this draft. Bush,o-line,defense or O-line,defense, Skill Guys. Which side of the pendulum looks better?

Exactly the players in the Big 12, SEC, ect are bigger, better and faster players then the Pac 10. Yes but they did have an O-line to block for him which he wont have here. If he played in one of the other confrences with better overall talent then he would get more credit from me. Still i have to say its not funny in the strength of the NFL players in what 10X stronger than pac 10. about 2-5X in the other major confrences. Personally i think this whole topic about drafting Bush is funny right now. If we draft him for the 1000th time. We will be in the same exact spot next year as we are this year if we dont improve our Pass blocking. Screw the college leagues who cares. Still drafting a player that wont help us but will do the exact same of what we do have. Look i dont understand how you guys can be so lost right now. Carr will be on his @ss 60-70 times again next year we will have another 4-12 season and then what... what then... Now like i have previously posted... if we SIGN FA OL BEFORE the draft i say go Bush. If we dont and draft bush i will be here next year saying the exact same thing i said this year. We need a pass-blocking O-line. Now if we pick up a TE that would help DD out alot. YOU CANT RUN THE BALL WITH 8 MEN IN THE BOX.. no matter who the RB is. I dont care if its Jim Brown.. the players today would stop him. Until we solve the problems we do have this conversation is pointless... i mean are you or have done :brickwall too much or something.... stop (watching and listening to the news) and watch a game pls. As far as i can see now you are

 

[tulexan]

This year's draft is deep in quality offensive linemen, but to get one of the can't miss prospects, you have to draft him in the first round. By the way, D'Brick is considered to be one of the rare LT's that come along once every few years. Since linemen generally play for 10-15 years & RB's generally last 5-10 years, why wouldn't I go for the most bang for my buck?

His words not mine

 

[tulexan]

USC has some of the best prospects in the nation. How do you think they got to be #1? By having a bunch of scrubs? I have heard from people that Reggie Bush makes all of the All-American players on the USC defense look foolish during practice including some top pro prospects like Darnell Bing. Reggie Bush didn't seem to have a problem against Oklahoma last year (who shut out Texas). He had over 100 yards on only 8 touches. Cedric Benson (a pro) had about 120 against Oklahoma, but it took him 26 touches to do so. Against VTech last year (good defensive team in the ACC) he had 3 touchdowns and 127 yards receiving. Against Arkansas (an SEC team) he had over 190 yards and 2 touchdowns on 11 touches. Against Notre Dame (a BCS team) he had over 190 yards and 3 touchdowns on 19 touches.

How come USC, who has players who are 2-5X weaker than players of bigger conferences like the Big 12 destroyed an undefeated Oklahoma last year in the Orange Bowl? Wouldn't you think that the substantially weaker Trojans would have been annihilated by the Sooners?

 

[UGA]

So if we can trade down and get an advantage off of this for this year and next year thats just 2+2. Not only could we trade down to the Jets or SF but then there is a possibility that we could trade down again.

Better yet why dont we trade completely out of this draft and wait for next year? Get real.

 

[beerlover]

the reason why the NFL is so great is because of College Football. it seems each year more & more quality players come thru the pikes which amounts to nothing more that a farm system for the NFL. last year there was more depth into the 4th round than I can ever recall even though it was weaker in the 1st rd it made up for it in the latter rounds (which is a huge factor in my personel displeasure that the Texans traded away a 2 & 3). anyway as far as football programs and conferences they are cyclical in nature & quality football is played throughout the nation, some years certain programs can maintain a higher level than others, but they all come to an end. I see Oklahoma football on the rise again while USC will be in decline as head coaches move their systems in search of more opportunity. the point being is its all good, if you draft you must realize this and use your picks accordingly. this years flavour is Bush next years may be Peterson those who draft them should be well on the road to winning regardless what school or conference they come from

 

[UGA]

Excellent point which is precisely why we'll trade down in the draft. We can pick up 4+ starting-quality players at positions that we actually need help in exchange for getting Bush, not to mention we'll pay all of them less total money than we'd have to pay Bush.

We can trade down and get a ton of picks, and a ton of second tier players.

You take the best player available with the first pick. And when there is a clear cut top talent in the 1 hole, you dont create ways to avoid drafting him. You get in more trouble trying to get cute with picks then just taking the no brainers.

 

[HomeBred_Texan]

We can trade down and get a ton of picks, and a ton of second tier players.

You take the best player available with the first pick. And when there is a clear cut top talent in the 1 hole, you dont create ways to avoid drafting him. You get in more trouble trying to get cute with picks then just taking the no brainers.

I agree with you. I think what some are saying is why don't we trade down, get O-Linemen this year so we can have the number 1 pick again next year. 1 )-Lineman is not going to make a difference, ask Oakland and New Orleans, both of whom took an O-Lineman with there first pick last year...

Draft Reggie or don't draft at all....

 

[MorKnolle]

I agree with you. I think what some are saying is why don't we trade down, get O-Linemen this year so we can have the number 1 pick again next year. 1 )-Lineman is not going to make a difference, ask Oakland and New Orleans, both of whom took an O-Lineman with there first pick last year...

Draft Reggie or don't draft at all....

This is such an ignorant post, "draft Reggie or don't draft at all"?? Linemen are the most important part of the team next to the QB, and OLine is the #1 weakness on this team by a long shot, RB is probably our most solid position. Let's ask the Rams how they liked taking Orlando Pace with their #1 pick several years ago and how well he has done and improved their offense or let's ask the Bengals how they liked taking KiJana Carter with their #1 several years ago. You have to build a solid foundation for your offense to work, bringing in Bush is a slight upgrade at best over Domanick Davis and when you can trade that pick and get the best OL available and acquire an additional 3-4 starters on a team that has several holes all while saving yourself money in the process it would be foolish to not take advantage of the opportunity.

 

[Daonly]

In and Instant as soon as he step foot on the practice field! By the way all these old school Texans fans who say something like this: "Running Backs life span is only 4-5years.) Well, don't you think we need to start drafting another one to take off the wear of. D. Davis? He's already on year three, going on to his 3rd straight 1000 yards rushing season leading us to a 1-15 season; with his measly 2 touchdowns. At least with Bush you can get three players in one, A RB, WR, and a KR (on occasions); also with Blocking, he's one of the best with blocking out of the backfield in college, There! There's your OL! Oh by the way Bush can add more life span to D.Davis;and with the competition, it only add fuel to the fire in Davis's Blood, You think he good now; wait till we draft Bush! Then the Organization would want to protect it's prize Backs and go out and get the best OL to help protect and block for them it's only right to do so, cause that's where Our offense will manifest from. Carr would love the fact because now defenses isn't going to zoom on him, now, they're not going to worry about what Old Carr is up to, they have a bigger problem in the backfield to worry about, (Bush) and on top of that D. Davis (The Good Back). Carr should have his best year as a pro next year leading the Texans to a 10-6 year Wild Card. Bush Offensive ROY, Davis Pro Bowl. How do you like them Apples?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I can't wait.

 

[tulexan]

I like how everyone is saying how picking Bush is so risky because he might not pan out, but what if the people that we pick up with the trade don't pan out? Then we gave up Reggie Bush for a few Jason Babin's and Jabar Gaffney's.

There is a big difference between KiJana Carter who was the best running back in the draft and Reggie Bush who could be the best running back in several drafts. I've said this before but it is true, it is like comparing David Carr and John Elway. Entering the draft people thought that Carr was good and would probably be a good pro, but with Elway they knew that he was going to be something special.

 

[zeplin]

This isnt basketball. In that sport you can get away with drafting the best player and letting him throw a ball at a hoop. Football takes 10X as much teamwork to work. If each player doesnt do his job then some either gets hurt. Basketball someone messes up a play they miss the bucket o who cares. Stop comparing an A sport like football to a C sport in basketball

If you are going to compare you must compare a apple to a apple and basket ball is not an apple.

 

[zeplin]

Well if you are going to dream dream big. I will say you are a great story teller. I almost found myself believing..NOT!!!!

 

[Daonly]

Well if you are going to dream dream big. I will say you are a great story teller. I almost found myself believing..NOT!!!!

OK you want me to dream big here I go. Transition Tag David Carr, Get that junk heap out of here! Sign and Trade him and next year's 1st to the highest bidder (Jets,Saints,Ravens). Grab another High First. 5-8 range. Sign a Reeves guy in Schaub from the Falcons.Vince Young will get a feeler back from his Hometown of Houston the Texans. Draft Bush First Over all; Then Draft Vince Young, If Vince Young not on the Board Grab (AJ Hawk or that Super Mario Kid.) 2nd round best available OL. High Third Best Available T. E., Saints Pick, Moss from Miami or Best Available WR at that point, 4-7 filled out the draft with best available in terms of need. Now that's what you call Dreaming Big!

 

[Hottoddie]

Listen guys. I'm not saying that Bush playing for the Texans wouldn't be a pleasure to watch every Sunday, but a Ferrari (Bush) can't drive through a collapsing brick wall (the opposing defense). We need some bulldozers & road graders (offensive linemen) to clear the road for him. Our current bulldozers & road graders are just a bunch of Tonka Toys.

You know, the way this debate is getting so devisive, I'm starting to hope we don't get the #1 overall pick. Of course, if we get the #2 pick, then all the Leinhart fans will come back out of the wood works. That's it! I'm rooting for the #3 pick in the draft!!!

 

[tulexan]

I'm sorry but I don't see the collapsing brick wall in our run blocking. I see it for our pass blocking, but not our run blocking. Having one does not necessarily mean you have the other. Some teams have great pass blocking (Cardinals), some teams have great run blocking (Broncos). We have pathetic pass blocking and decent run blocking.

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

I'm sorry but I don't see the collapsing brick wall in our run blocking. I see it for our pass blocking, but not our run blocking. Having one does not necessarily mean you have the other. Some teams have great pass blocking (Cardinals), some teams have great run blocking (Broncos). We have pathetic pass blocking and decent run blocking.

Some people just assume that we have poor run blocking but thats only shows how much they really know.

 

[royce1054]

Better yet why dont we trade completely out of this draft and wait for next year? Get real.

You are totally confused

THis is another Fry from futurama statement "I smell Purple"

 

[royce1054]

If you are going to compare you must compare a apple to a apple and basket ball is not an apple.

WHo care basketball sucks

Football is all that matters and you dont mix the different styles of thinking in each of the games. Remember and bum off the street (anyone can throw a ball at a hoop) can play basketball but it takes real talent to play football.