He'll never be a CB.
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He'll never be a CB.
bah007
Hall of Fame
If you say so. I said the same thing about Michael Griffin and y'all told me I was wrong and he would be a SS. Lo and behold he played CB his first year and FS ever since.
Thomas has 8 picks and the majority have come from man to man coverage as the nickel CB. We play the majority of our snaps from the nickel so right now he is more of a CB than he is a FS anyway.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Not to hijack this thread, but Earl Thomas might be in my class next semester so if he is I'll try to convince him to play for us 
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Right now I would love for us to take a stud corner back like Joe Haden or trade out of the first round if our guys are not there. There are some studs to be had in the second round (Javier Arenas anyone?)
!Right now I would love for us to take a stud corner back like Joe Haden or trade out of the first round if our guys are not there. There are some studs to be had in the second round (Javier Arenas anyone?)
He also didn't play well at CB and so the staff moved him to FS. Every year people talk about a safeties ability to switch and play some corner and every year the team finds out they don't have the coverage skills to move to CB. Look at Huff, Nelson, kenny phillips, etc
rollinstone18
let it bleed
i think thomas is similiar to eugene wilson. and both are athletic enough to play cb in nickel packages. thomas is an absolute ballhawk, so i'd love it if we selected him.
SteveSlaton20
Rookie
isnt dexter a rb?
bah007
Hall of Fame
Not sure where you got your info but Thomas has been a FS ever since he walked on campus at UT. And his coverage skills, not lack of, are what allow us to move him down to the nickel CB every time we use that package.
You don't have to preach to me about moving a S to CB or vice versa. I'm very much against that idea in almost all cases.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
What I like about Thomas is his ability to play man up on a slot receiver if we want to keep our base package in against a 3 receiver set. The only thing I wonder about is his ability to tackle the Ray Rice/Adrian Peterson/Matt Forte/Jones Drews of the league.
bah007
Hall of Fame
This is where most people will worry. I saw him come up and wrap up Ingram a few times, but I saw him whiff one or two as well.
He goes 197 right now. If he adds 5-10 pounds I think most scouts will be satisfied. He has the best coverage skills of all the safeties in this draft though. Even better than Berry in that regard.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
He's not going to be a full-time RB in the NFL. Maybe a few snaps a game, but mostly be used as a WR and on special teams.
Now that Earl Thomas has declared, I'd be interested in him and then maybe an OG in the 2nd rd. Does Jon Asamoah last till our 2nd rd pick?
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
He did a decent job on Mark Ingram. He's not a tackler that goes for the big hit even though he can, but he does make good open field tackles.
silvrhand
All Pro
Ugh, he's too small, I can imagine MJD having a field day with this guy at FS. I'd like someone a few inches taller as well. 5'10" is a bit short for a FS.
No offense intended but your worried about the wrong thing when discussing a FS ability to play in the NFL. His coverage ability, ability to read the play, recognize routes, read the QB are all much more important than his ability to tackle large RB's. If a RB is consistently making it to the FS, who's our last line of defense, then we've got much bigger issues on the D-line, LB's, and SS. I'm not worried about his tackling ability against RB's, give me Earl Thomas in the 1st round if he's available.
GP
Go Texans!
There is no way McCluster lasts until the 3rd round.
He has way too much to offer teams who need that type of guy that we have in Jacoby, or that Minnesota has in Harvin, or the Eagles have in DeSean Jackson.
McCluster is going to be BIG time, IMO.
I would take him in round 1 if I had the 20th pick.
I think he's special. I think he can play RB in this league. I really do.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
GP
Go Texans!
McCluster is one of those guys that a great team will spend it's late 1st rounder upon.
Teams that go deep into the playoffs, who then sit at the back end of the first round, will let other teams draft up the big olinemen and dlinemen and other household names like Bradford and McCoy and Ingram etc.
Then, they snatch up McCluster with the 29th or 30th or 31st pick and add instant playmaking ability to their team. The other guys are gone by then, and McCluster has value as a late first rounder.
His burst, his balance, his vision, and his tenacity are soooo valuable to a team that needs an x-factor. I think a lot of the Vikings early success this season was due to the x-factor of having Percy Harvin.
McCluster might make it into round 2...but not sure he can last until our pick. And I really doubt that Kubiak would take him at that spot, either.
But who knows.
bah007
Hall of Fame
That's what Pollard is for. Thomas will have different responsibilities.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Ole Miss usually does have good NFL talent even if their team isn't that good. However, I don't think Snead is one of those guys. He proved this year that he cannot play with expectations. He was pretty good last year when he was under the radar, but he wasn't playing at an All-American level or anything. And this year he was just downright bad. He has a good arm, but has erratic accuracy, and above all else he doesn't have an NFL mind IMO. When I say that I mean I don't think he can handle the mental side of being an NFL QB. He has the physical tools, but the mental side is missing. If you can't do it in college then you can't do it in the NFL.
GP
Go Texans!
I say what I say because I thought that very same thing about Eli Manning.
There's something about that program that just seems to be producing good talent lately.
But, you might be right.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I've got mixed emotions about Snead. Should he stay or should he go?
He obviously underperformed this season, but then again our entire offense did. There were a handful of times when I thought, "we finally GET it" but then we'd follow it up with a terrible game. McCluster WAS our offense, that's it.
Ole Miss has some good competition for the QB spot next season, so much so that if Snead continues what he did this season... he may get benched. That would really hurt. I think staying for another year, fine tuning what he does well and growing more as a QB would do him really well and increase his draft stock. Can't make the dumb mental mistakes, poor reads or poor decisions he did this season.
On the other hand, he's a senior who finished his degree (lost a year of eligibility due to transfer from UT). His dream is to be a QB in the NFL and he's got that opportunity right now after graduating from college. Everyone wants to start but I think coming into the NFL and sitting behind a veteran QB is a really really smart thing to do. So why risk injury in college when all you're doing is trying to improve your draft stock and game a little?
He's got everything NFL teams want in a franchise QB and with some coaching and time, he might (one would hope) be able to improve on his reads, decision making, etc etc. Go be a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick... sit behind a vet for a while, learning the NFL system, that team's system and then go forward? He's going to go in get paid $500K minimum a year to fine tune his skills and then get a shot. Maybe the QB goes down with an injury, maybe the QB goes to prison on dogfighting charges, maybe he gets traded after a couple years and lands a huge contract like Schaub!?
If your good your going to get paid. It may take a tad longer, but I bet a year of coaching in the nfl will be what he gets from the ole miss program. I think Snead sees the big picture and isn't worried so much about where he gets drafted. Of course you never know what might happen, it could bite him in the ass. I wish him the best of luck though!!
He obviously underperformed this season, but then again our entire offense did. There were a handful of times when I thought, "we finally GET it" but then we'd follow it up with a terrible game. McCluster WAS our offense, that's it.
Ole Miss has some good competition for the QB spot next season, so much so that if Snead continues what he did this season... he may get benched. That would really hurt. I think staying for another year, fine tuning what he does well and growing more as a QB would do him really well and increase his draft stock. Can't make the dumb mental mistakes, poor reads or poor decisions he did this season.
On the other hand, he's a senior who finished his degree (lost a year of eligibility due to transfer from UT). His dream is to be a QB in the NFL and he's got that opportunity right now after graduating from college. Everyone wants to start but I think coming into the NFL and sitting behind a veteran QB is a really really smart thing to do. So why risk injury in college when all you're doing is trying to improve your draft stock and game a little?
He's got everything NFL teams want in a franchise QB and with some coaching and time, he might (one would hope) be able to improve on his reads, decision making, etc etc. Go be a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick... sit behind a vet for a while, learning the NFL system, that team's system and then go forward? He's going to go in get paid $500K minimum a year to fine tune his skills and then get a shot. Maybe the QB goes down with an injury, maybe the QB goes to prison on dogfighting charges, maybe he gets traded after a couple years and lands a huge contract like Schaub!?
If your good your going to get paid. It may take a tad longer, but I bet a year of coaching in the nfl will be what he gets from the ole miss program. I think Snead sees the big picture and isn't worried so much about where he gets drafted. Of course you never know what might happen, it could bite him in the ass. I wish him the best of luck though!!
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Exactly. Your safeties need to be able to consistently tackle anybody (big receiver, TE, RB, whatever). Doesn't matter if it is your free safety or your strong safety. I'm not saying that your free safety needs to be able to come down and stone MJD at the line of scrimmage, but if MJD breaks past the first two levels of your defense you need a guy who can run him down and tackle him. Sometimes you just need to limit the big plays to large gains, not touchdowns. Maybe then you can hold the offense to a FG or better yet force a mistake. That was the Texans problem early in the year, if a guy got past the linebackers, there wasn't anyone in the secondary that could make the TD saving tackle.
I love Thomas' coverage ability, he reminds me alot of a cornerback. I've seen him make some good tackles, and I have also seen him just run past a guy and whiff. It happens, there isn't a guy in this draft that doesn't do that occasionally. My thing with Thomas is can he make those tackles against big NFL RBs?
I think he is worth the 20th pick for sure. If he was there I would take him in a heartbeat.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Well I don't think much of Eli either to be honest. The Giants won a Super Bowl off of an outstanding defense and dominant running game. All he had to do was not screw it up. Now he has played better since then and has shown me that he has the potential to be a top QB. But he has yet to actually get there. I don't see that potential in Snead however.
W
whiskeyrbl
Guest
This is sorta lengthy:
There are alot of things to take into consideration. First of all is the OG position. We will have Chester Pitts 30 yrs. old coming off IR in a contract year, and Briesel coming off IR. We also have the DRob delima, do we keep or cut, then J. Reeves who played better this year a young guy named Quin who looked like a solid #2, and McCain who showed flashes, and Bennett who was a better cheerleader than CB this year. SS is an issue with E. Wilson coming off IR in which he was out twice with injuries, and a revolving door after him. DT is still a concern with improved run stoppage the last 13 weeks but literally no pass rush to speak of. At RB we have the Slaton nerve issue(I heard on radio he should be ok without surgery) an emerging Foster in the last two games, Moats who is servicable, J. Johnson on IR, Chris Henry on PS, and Chris Brown hopefully on the next plane out of Houston. At WR we have Walter who is an above ave. hands guy in a contract year, an emerging JJ as a good reciever, an overpaid Andre Davis and an overachieving David Anderson. A small center in Myers. And last but not least we have OD, Ryans, Pollard to resign. So let's assume we decide not to re-sign Pitts, we release DRob and Bennett at CB, release C Brown and C henry at RB, and do not re-sign Walter and cut A Davis at WR. How do we draft then? I think our need's fall to OG, SS, CB, DT as our most glaring needs with a RB a fast WLB and a PK needed and maybe a WR. We still have Martinez that looks like a good #3. So in this scenario here are some options I think we could do.
In looking at 5-6 different mock drafts from walter football, draft Tek and a few others I have come up with a list of possibles to put on our draft board watch. At #20 I would say our most glaring need to fill is FS or OG. The two names that jump out here are Mike Iupati and Taylor Mays both showing being picked between #16 and a high 2nd rd. pick. If this is the case I think I would pick Mays as probably BPA and fill a need at the same time and be able to get a OG in a later rd. So onto the second I would look at OG and CB as a need to fill here or a RB if he was a "just can't pass up". Here I find names on the board Of Toby Gerhart RB, Jahvid Best RB, Johnathon Dwyer RB, Patrick Robinson CB, Perrish Cox CB, Jon Asomoah OG, Kyle Wilson CB, Maurice Pouncey OG. Looking at these few guys I really think I found a "can't pass up" RB in Dwyer and can probably get my OG and CB in rd's 3 & 4. So I would take Dwyer in Rd 2. RD 3 I have got to look at my CB and OG position's. I found some good names here as we have Perrish Cox, Jon Asomoah, Vladimir Ducasse OG, Lamarr Houston DT, and Daryl Washington ILB/OLB. We the afore mentioned scenario I think I would lean to Perrish Cox CB in the 3rd. So my first 3 rounds look as such
RD1 Taylor Mays FS USC 6'4 225
RD2 Jonathon Dwyer RB Georgia Tech 6'1 235
RD3 Perrish Cox CB OSU 6'1 195
Now that the all important first 3 rd's are in I will take a look at rd's 4-7 remembering we have two 6th rd picks.
In Rd 4 I am still seeing Daryl Washington's name pop up so I believe I would jump on him as BPA in rd 4 giving us another LB that can play both ILB and OLB. In Rd 5 I am looking at John Jerry OG from Mississippi, younger brother of Peria Jerry. In rd. 6
Brandon Carter OG and Leigh Tiffin K. In rd 7 I would go Josh Gordy CB. So my 7 rd. mcok looks as such
RD1 Taylor Mays FS USC 6'4 225
RD2 Jonathon Dwyer RB Georgia Tech 6'1 235
RD3 Perrish Cox CB OSU 6'1 195
RD4 Daryl Washington ILB/OLB TCU 6'3 234
RD5 John Jerry OG Mississippi 6'5 350
RD6(a) Brandon Carter OG Texas Tech 6'7 374
RD6(b) Leigh Tiffin PK Alabama 6'1 198
RD7 Josh Gordy CB Cent. Michigan 5'11 190
In free agency I would go after Richard Seymore or Vince Wolfork at DT. That way we have a proven DT not a prospect
There are alot of things to take into consideration. First of all is the OG position. We will have Chester Pitts 30 yrs. old coming off IR in a contract year, and Briesel coming off IR. We also have the DRob delima, do we keep or cut, then J. Reeves who played better this year a young guy named Quin who looked like a solid #2, and McCain who showed flashes, and Bennett who was a better cheerleader than CB this year. SS is an issue with E. Wilson coming off IR in which he was out twice with injuries, and a revolving door after him. DT is still a concern with improved run stoppage the last 13 weeks but literally no pass rush to speak of. At RB we have the Slaton nerve issue(I heard on radio he should be ok without surgery) an emerging Foster in the last two games, Moats who is servicable, J. Johnson on IR, Chris Henry on PS, and Chris Brown hopefully on the next plane out of Houston. At WR we have Walter who is an above ave. hands guy in a contract year, an emerging JJ as a good reciever, an overpaid Andre Davis and an overachieving David Anderson. A small center in Myers. And last but not least we have OD, Ryans, Pollard to resign. So let's assume we decide not to re-sign Pitts, we release DRob and Bennett at CB, release C Brown and C henry at RB, and do not re-sign Walter and cut A Davis at WR. How do we draft then? I think our need's fall to OG, SS, CB, DT as our most glaring needs with a RB a fast WLB and a PK needed and maybe a WR. We still have Martinez that looks like a good #3. So in this scenario here are some options I think we could do.
In looking at 5-6 different mock drafts from walter football, draft Tek and a few others I have come up with a list of possibles to put on our draft board watch. At #20 I would say our most glaring need to fill is FS or OG. The two names that jump out here are Mike Iupati and Taylor Mays both showing being picked between #16 and a high 2nd rd. pick. If this is the case I think I would pick Mays as probably BPA and fill a need at the same time and be able to get a OG in a later rd. So onto the second I would look at OG and CB as a need to fill here or a RB if he was a "just can't pass up". Here I find names on the board Of Toby Gerhart RB, Jahvid Best RB, Johnathon Dwyer RB, Patrick Robinson CB, Perrish Cox CB, Jon Asomoah OG, Kyle Wilson CB, Maurice Pouncey OG. Looking at these few guys I really think I found a "can't pass up" RB in Dwyer and can probably get my OG and CB in rd's 3 & 4. So I would take Dwyer in Rd 2. RD 3 I have got to look at my CB and OG position's. I found some good names here as we have Perrish Cox, Jon Asomoah, Vladimir Ducasse OG, Lamarr Houston DT, and Daryl Washington ILB/OLB. We the afore mentioned scenario I think I would lean to Perrish Cox CB in the 3rd. So my first 3 rounds look as such
RD1 Taylor Mays FS USC 6'4 225
RD2 Jonathon Dwyer RB Georgia Tech 6'1 235
RD3 Perrish Cox CB OSU 6'1 195
Now that the all important first 3 rd's are in I will take a look at rd's 4-7 remembering we have two 6th rd picks.
In Rd 4 I am still seeing Daryl Washington's name pop up so I believe I would jump on him as BPA in rd 4 giving us another LB that can play both ILB and OLB. In Rd 5 I am looking at John Jerry OG from Mississippi, younger brother of Peria Jerry. In rd. 6
Brandon Carter OG and Leigh Tiffin K. In rd 7 I would go Josh Gordy CB. So my 7 rd. mcok looks as such
RD1 Taylor Mays FS USC 6'4 225
RD2 Jonathon Dwyer RB Georgia Tech 6'1 235
RD3 Perrish Cox CB OSU 6'1 195
RD4 Daryl Washington ILB/OLB TCU 6'3 234
RD5 John Jerry OG Mississippi 6'5 350
RD6(a) Brandon Carter OG Texas Tech 6'7 374
RD6(b) Leigh Tiffin PK Alabama 6'1 198
RD7 Josh Gordy CB Cent. Michigan 5'11 190
In free agency I would go after Richard Seymore or Vince Wolfork at DT. That way we have a proven DT not a prospect