Texans Will Not Draft Longhorns

[Texans Horror]

Huff, Wright, Scott, Thomas, and Young are all good football players. I don't think we will get any of them. I think the Texans are going to draft Reggie, and none of these guys will be around for Round 2.

 

[V Man]

Bob Sanders was taken in the 2nd I believe. Whereas CC Brown was taken in the 6th Round. Big difference as to where they were drafted. Quite frankly I think Brown did very well considering the defense he was in. Do you really think Sanders would've make a dramatic improvement in our defense? If so do you really think he was worth the 16th pick in the draft? I think our biggest weakness at safety was Coleman. A Red Raider, and a guy from the Big 12. It seemed that our defense improved slightly with Earl and Brown at the safety spots. Did Brown play better than Coleman? I think so.

You could make a great case for saying that our front office was poor at prioritizing our need positions in the draft. There are plenty of examples of that, but do you really think that players drafted from small schools are the problem with the Texans? Or just a poorly managed scouting department?

As for your last statement I agree whole heartedly. The same is true, however, for what conference a player plays in. People sometimes just get too lost up in what conference a player plays in, and forget to see if they can actually play football.

First the 16th pick is not the second round.

As for Coleman vs Brown. I don't think you can compare them. Coleman is old and has lost a step, basically out of postion, and I think he quit on the team. As for Brown, I also though he did a good job for where he was drafted, but really did he do a good job at a NFL level. I think he is getting use to the speed of the game, and next year should do even better.

As for the last part, people do get too lost in the conference as well. The player should be judged as a whole. For example, some corner from a small school will run well at the combine, and lets say for arguement, Minter from Geogria doesn't. People will start buzzing about Joe Whatever, who ran a 4.3 but hasn't seen or covered a top receiver ever, and look past Minter who normally runs well and has covered some of the top receivers in college. I guess its like a bird in hand compared to two in the bush. I would rather you would go with the one you can do it, not the one who still has to learn to do it.

 

[texasguy346]

First the 16th pick is not the second round.

As for Coleman vs Brown. I don't think you can compare them. Coleman is old and has lost a step, basically out of postion, and I think he quit on the team. As for Brown, I also though he did a good job for where he was drafted, but really did he do a good job at a NFL level. I think he is getting use to the speed of the game, and next year should do even better.

As for the last part, people do get too lost in the conference as well. The player should be judged as a whole. For example, some corner from a small school will run well at the combine, and lets say for arguement, Minter from Geogria doesn't. People will start buzzing about Joe Whatever, who ran a 4.3 but hasn't seen or covered a top receiver ever, and look past Minter who normally runs well and has covered some of the top receivers in college. I guess its like a bird in hand compared to two in the bush. I would rather you would go with the one you can do it, not the one who still has to learn to do it.

The 16th pick is where we would have had to take Bob Sanders since CC traded our 2nd Round pick to Oakland in exchange for Phillip Buchanon. Since you made it a point of comparing Brown (a 6th Round pick) with Sanders (a 2nd Round pick) I could only assume you would have preferred the team grabbed him instead of Brown seeing as how Brown played in a small school in a small conference.

The Coleman v Brown comparison is valid since we're talking about Big Conference v Little Conference. Brown, coming from a smaller school & smaller conference, was named as the NFL Rookie of the Week a time or two by GBN. As was Mathis. Conversely, Coleman was benched in favor of the player from the smaller conference. As for Coleman playing out of position I definately can't agree with you there if your thinking he should still be a CB. His last season as a CB he was getting burned regularly by just about any receiver he was matched up against. His only other position that he'd be better suited for is the bench.

However if Coleman v Brown seems unsuitable to you, then you can make similar cases at other positions. You've got Payne from Cornell and Jerry Deloach from Cal for the DT/NT spot. You could also mention a Victor Riley from Auburn and Chester Pitts from San Diego State, and their levels of success as LTs. While the Payne/DeLoach comparision is a closer race, the Pitts/Riley comparision is day & night. Does that mean we should exclusively draft from small conferences? Of course not. Nor does it mean we should exclusively draft from big conferences.

If you want to factor in the level of talent they played against there are better ways to do it than to simply chalk it up to their particular conference. Take a look at all their games both conference and non-conference, and take into account how they play while still accounting for their particular positions reliance on pressure/protection/etc. For instance if your scouting a CB it's difficult to see how he grades out if his DL isn't able to get pressure on the QB. Or conversely if you're grading a QB and his receivers just aren't able to get open or hold on to the ball. Simply saying well this QB plays in the Pac 10 whereas this one plays in the SEC so the SEC QB must be the better player since he faces tougher defenses isn't a good way to evaluate talent.

 

[LBC_Justin]

Vince Young will not be coming to the texans IMO, because from some reason it appears to me someone does not want any Longhorns on this team. I don't know if it's casserly, the owner, or the past coaches, but each year there are quality players from the university of texas and they end up on other teams rosters. The most glaring was Derrick Johnson last year. This year there will be a qb, db, d lineman, olineman, and a tight end who catches everything coming into this draft. The Texans could use any of them, but, i'm prepared to see all of these players go to another nfl team. It just seems odd to me that the worst team in the nfl that has never had a winning season would not draft any players from one of the best teams in college football over the last five years other than Sloan Thomas in the 7th round or have any players from this university on the roster period either through the draft or free agency.

Since the Texans have been in the NFL.

Teams that have Drafted Longhorn players
Bears
Chiefs
Titans
Lions
Seahawks
Texans
Redskins
Buccaneers
Giants
Bills
Chargers

Teams that have not drafted Longhorn players
Vikings
Packers
Raiders
Broncos
Jaguars
Colts
Niners
Cardinals
Rams
Cowboys
Eagles
Falcons
Saints
Panthers
Patriots
Dolphins
Jets

Your right someone does not want any Longhorns on this team.
And it is 4 of the 6 Divison winners this year. Maybe they are on to something.



Hook'em Horns <- Thats right I am a UT guy but I can't stand to see people like you giving real Horns a bad name.

 

[HoustonFrog]

I'm a big proponent of taking guys who played at big time programs. You can find a Larry Allen and Mathis here and there but I think guys that performed at big time schools can catch on better in the NFL and still reach the levels they had before. If you look at the last three drafts of the Broncos..if we have Kubes..they almost went with nothing but big time programs.

I agree with the poster above about Casserly. I think they kept him for a transition stay but in no way a permanent fixture. I feel like he is on a leash and that they have to babysit him when he goes on the air. I just think he has no clue at this point.

 

[LBC_Justin]

Just my opinion, of course....but, we disenfranchised Houston Texans fans up here in the Texas Panhandle would love to be able to watch the Texans, again. And, Vince Young would ensure that prospect. Selfish? Yes! Smart? I think so.....

Winning. That is the only think that will get you your Texans back. If we take Vince you may not recognize any of the players on the Texans roster by the time they get back on TV in your area, because we won't be winning in a while. Vince won't be playing for a while.

In my case I live in Southern California. How many Texans games do you think I get to see? (Actually I got to see all of them because I got Direct TV NFL Sunday Ticket.)

 

[LBC_Justin]

Vince Young will not be coming to the texans IMO, because from some reason it appears to me someone does not want any Longhorns on this team. I don't know if it's casserly, the owner, or the past coaches, but each year there are quality players from the university of texas and they end up on other teams rosters. The most glaring was Derrick Johnson last year. This year there will be a qb, db, d lineman, olineman, and a tight end who catches everything coming into this draft. The Texans could use any of them, but, i'm prepared to see all of these players go to another nfl team. It just seems odd to me that the worst team in the nfl that has never had a winning season would not draft any players from one of the best teams in college football over the last five years other than Sloan Thomas in the 7th round or have any players from this university on the roster period either through the draft or free agency.

Texans don't draft players from USC either.

 

[disaacks3]

trading down for more picks would only give Casserly more opportunities to screw this thing up.

That's been my fear as well, ever since McNair said they were keeping CC even AFTER they fired Capers.

As for this "conspiracy", I don't think Cass & Co. were smart enough to even remember what school these guys came from to begin with.

The BIG school / SMALL school debate - This is NOT breaking news people. Scouts, Draftniks, GMs, Coaches, et al. for the NFL have ALWAYS questioned the abilities of kids coming from the "small-school" programs. This is why you see their stock rise suddenly after things like the Senior Bowl, Blue-Gray, East-West Shrine game, etc. IF they wow the watchers with their performance against higher echelon competition.

When you look like a "man among boys" in an all-star game, you help convince the scouts that you're ready for the next level. Players from USC, LSU, FSU, Ohio State don't have that issue because they've already established their bonafides as producers of NFL-caliber talent. S/W Missouri State doesn't have that luxury.

 

[Tale Gator]

This just in...

Texans will not draft anyone from Gonzaga.

This decision has nothing to do with their lack of a football program -- it's all personal.