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Porky
Hall of Fame
FWIW, I made a comment on FB that they should trade 1.25 for Garrett Wilson, and it was liked by none other than Derek Stingley Jr.
Bring Wilson in. Him and CJ would have immediate chemistry, and you know what your getting. He would be a dynamic second option to pair with Nico, and he’s been durable so far. And he’s still an ascending player.
Bring Wilson in. Him and CJ would have immediate chemistry, and you know what your getting. He would be a dynamic second option to pair with Nico, and he’s been durable so far. And he’s still an ascending player.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I love it, but I doubt 1.25 is enough. Wilson is under contract through with club option through 2026. But his talent would make Nico and him 1A and 1B
TheRealJoker V2
All Pro
This would qualify as a massive move. But just pick 1.25 wont get it done. I’d look at the A.J. Brown trade as a starting point. Both ascending WRs with similar production 3 years into their career.
AJ Brown trade was for the 18th and 101st picks. Plus the contract. And it was widely panned for being too cheap for Brown.
Obviously if Wilson makes a big stink about wanting to leave it opens up the possibility. But I think the Jets will keep him. New coach/gm do not want to start off their tenure letting go of one of their best players.
Porky
Hall of Fame
It’s a longshot, and yes I think 1.25 alone is not going to get it done. I’d give 1.25 and a 4th ron d pick this year and our 3rd next and see if that would get it done. Getting a proven producer with instant chemistry with his old mate CJ is worth it…if he becomes available.
It would be interesting.
If you took that job, what kind of expectation would you be promoting to that franchise? I'd be telling them, yes we can turn this thing around, I don't think it will take long, but it's not going to be over the next two years. Let Wilson go, get some draft capital & let's get to work.
If I don't have my QB, I'm not going to be hanging on to All star WRs.
TheRealJoker V2
All Pro
I’d at least have to wait for next season’s player Madden ratings to get released before authorizing my GM to trade off Wilson.
I don't think Wison would be keen on signing an extension without the Jets QB position being settled. But the Jets will guarantee the 5th year option this offseason. Combine that with 2 years of the franchise tag, and Wilson would be under control for 4 years. Bottom line, the Jets would get full value for Wilson, likely 2 1sts.
Signed,
Woody Johnson's sons.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I’m out if it’s 2 firsts. Money is a huge obstacle, but if Nick can make it work…Tee Higgins won’t cost any draft capital. I believe he is an impending FA. Talent wise, I have him a shade behind Wilson but it’s close and he would also be a great compliment to Nico. Different body types amd skill sets. Tee is much closer to Nico in type and style but either would be a major upgrade and insurance against the inevitable 4-6 games Nico will miss.
Tee will cost far more in cap space than Wilson will next yr and the Texans dont have much cap space. I would probably give up a 2025 1st and 4th, plus a 2026 3rd for Wilson. I could be talked into giving up a 2026 2nd instead of a 3rd.
Porky
Hall of Fame
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That was the exact deal I mentioned I'd put on the table. First and fourth this year, and a 3rd next year. Like you...if it was the difference between a yes or a no...I'd go as high as a second next year. I would not go with two #1 picks, though. I want that guy and his 5th year.
Here's the thing. I wouldn't give up that much draft capital without an extension in place as part of the package. I'd want him here at least 4-5 years during his prime.
So, ya this year he might be less than Tee, but longer term, both will cost big money. Tee is more immediate so I get it, but long term...both will want $$$$
That was the exact deal I mentioned I'd put on the table. First and fourth this year, and a 3rd next year. Like you...if it was the difference between a yes or a no...I'd go as high as a second next year. I would not go with two #1 picks, though. I want that guy and his 5th year.
Here's the thing. I wouldn't give up that much draft capital without an extension in place as part of the package. I'd want him here at least 4-5 years during his prime.
So, ya this year he might be less than Tee, but longer term, both will cost big money. Tee is more immediate so I get it, but long term...both will want $$$$
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I agree, when they extend C.J. they're going to need guys on rookie deals. I'm all for bringing in a mid level vet though.
I would try to sign a young cheap guy with speed like Bo Melton or Tylan Wallace in FA. If I wasn't going to draft a WR I probably would sign both of them. They would be upgrades and fit in the budget.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Or hang on to Wilson and go for a quarterback in 2026 draft perhaps Manning? Jets should cut Davonte Adams and add 29 million dollars to the cap space but that leaves them with only Garrett Wilson. Adam savings could go to Wilson. Start building your team around him and your new quarterback of the future in 2026 by drafting WRs this deep draft.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I do not see the 5th year option being an issue as an extension in mid to late 2025 would make that part of the new deal. For example, you would have 2025 plus the 5-year extension using 25 thru next four to prorate signing bonus and the final year not GTD.
I agree that I would want a completed extension done prior to a trade giving us 6 years of his prime. I would also not give two first rounds.
badboy
Hall of Fame
While I understand that thought, with a trade you would know what you're getting and in the draft you do not know who's going to be available when you get to your selection each round.
A trade of this significance also saves you a draft pick that might be used elsewhere. The cap hit also would not impact you going after other significant free agents such as offensive guards.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I would even take agreeable guards.
There are plenty of teams that would give up two 1sts for Wilson. Hill and Adams were traded for a 1st and 2nd in the same draft (plus 2nd day picks in the case of Hill). Both were older than Wilson (25), with Hill at 28, and Adams 30. Wilson has averaged nearly 1100 yards over all 3 seasons in the league. With less than stellar QB play and he's never missed a game. I think teams drafting near the end of the round (Chiefs, Ravens) would love to get a WR1 locked up thru his prime for that price.
I might do the two 1sts deal, but you're tying up a lot of money and draft capital in the WR corps. I'm not sure that's a smart thing to do.
I don't know what the plan might be. I do know that the Texans went from a bevy of WRs to Nico in less than a season. Trade, free agency, draft, some combination thereof. Have to do something.
Bluehen Texan
Waterboy
Collin’s 3rd round, Diggs 5th round, Tyreek 5th round, Devante 2nd round, AJ Brown 2nd. I realize that we can all put up a list that would support a particular angle. The WR Position is so volatile with later round hits and 1st round flops. Additionally, the higher injury rate at WR (which we are well aware of) compared to other positions is a real concern. A great QB can make a WR better just like a great offensive line can make a QB better. I’d rather invest a #1 pick in the more predictable offensive line than at WR this year. I don’t want to trade away a 1st for a WR.
Porky
Hall of Fame
If I am the Texans, here's my thought process. The only "for sure" is Nico. Everything else is up for change -
For the current guys:
1) Dell is a non-factor in 2025. Pretend he retired. If by miracle, he returns at any point in 25..it's gravy.
2) Current FA's - Diggs and Woods: I like Woods in so far as the reliable old man, but I think we can go younger and maybe get a return specialist/gunner type to replace him. I am not 100% opposed to a 1 year deal on the cheap. As far as Diggs. It comes down to role/money. I see him as moving into a more souped-up version of Woods. Basically a reliable chain mover who can still get open, so he needs to be paid like it. But he is no longer a game changer, and he is coming off of ACL so there is some uncertainty there. Unless he's ready to sign for something reasonable, let him test the market. As of now, my money is on neither returning, but I'm open minded.
3) The rest - Metchie, X, and anyone else...let them compete for spots but if there's a better guy...move on.
For new guys:
1) We need to draft at least one WR with big upside in the top three rounds. I wouldn't mind adding a guy who competes as an ST ace/return specialist on day 3. Sometimes, that can be a corner or RB as well.
2) FA OR trade: We need at least one WR with experience. How much of a splash largely depends on Diggs. For the moment, let's assume he's not back. I'm going after the big fish first...Tee Higgins, Garrett Wilson, and I will include Chris Godwin and Hollywood Brown in that group as well. Both are a step down...but still a nice option alongside Nico. The last idea would be Mike Williams...or yes even Hopkins. They may still have a bit in the tank. There may be other trade candidates that come along as well.
3) Lastly, bring in some competition for those last depth spots, whether it's UDFA guys, journeymen, etc.
For the current guys:
1) Dell is a non-factor in 2025. Pretend he retired. If by miracle, he returns at any point in 25..it's gravy.
2) Current FA's - Diggs and Woods: I like Woods in so far as the reliable old man, but I think we can go younger and maybe get a return specialist/gunner type to replace him. I am not 100% opposed to a 1 year deal on the cheap. As far as Diggs. It comes down to role/money. I see him as moving into a more souped-up version of Woods. Basically a reliable chain mover who can still get open, so he needs to be paid like it. But he is no longer a game changer, and he is coming off of ACL so there is some uncertainty there. Unless he's ready to sign for something reasonable, let him test the market. As of now, my money is on neither returning, but I'm open minded.
3) The rest - Metchie, X, and anyone else...let them compete for spots but if there's a better guy...move on.
For new guys:
1) We need to draft at least one WR with big upside in the top three rounds. I wouldn't mind adding a guy who competes as an ST ace/return specialist on day 3. Sometimes, that can be a corner or RB as well.
2) FA OR trade: We need at least one WR with experience. How much of a splash largely depends on Diggs. For the moment, let's assume he's not back. I'm going after the big fish first...Tee Higgins, Garrett Wilson, and I will include Chris Godwin and Hollywood Brown in that group as well. Both are a step down...but still a nice option alongside Nico. The last idea would be Mike Williams...or yes even Hopkins. They may still have a bit in the tank. There may be other trade candidates that come along as well.
3) Lastly, bring in some competition for those last depth spots, whether it's UDFA guys, journeymen, etc.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The splash FA signing needs to be on the o-line and in particular that interior group needs upgrading. Kevin Zietler…Laken Tomlinson…Ryan Kelley…All 3…don’t give a **** I would just Love it if Nick somehow pulled 1 of these off & If money is gonna be doled out, that’s where it needs to be spent.
I’d love to have a Tee Higgins or Garrett Wilson, but I’d be more than ok with us attacking that position group in the draft b/c what CJ has shown is that when he’s protected, he can work with almost any guy. See Noah Brown in 2023. But if Nick is intent on getting him some better weapons via FA & Diggs ISNT that guy, I’d be looking at a guy like Darius Slayton. But I’d still draft his replacement in the upcoming draft..Matt Golden…Jalen Royals…Jayden Higgins would be good late round guys to bring in and develop for a year.
I’d love to have a Tee Higgins or Garrett Wilson, but I’d be more than ok with us attacking that position group in the draft b/c what CJ has shown is that when he’s protected, he can work with almost any guy. See Noah Brown in 2023. But if Nick is intent on getting him some better weapons via FA & Diggs ISNT that guy, I’d be looking at a guy like Darius Slayton. But I’d still draft his replacement in the upcoming draft..Matt Golden…Jalen Royals…Jayden Higgins would be good late round guys to bring in and develop for a year.
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
My thoughts too.
I'm going young and cheap in FA. Bo Melton and, or Tylan Wallace. Good young WR's that can separate.
Then focus on the ol in the draft.
Trouble is I really like Savion Williams to be the next Nico in a couple of years. He's got that kind of talent.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Damn didn't know about the cap hit.. That changes things.
badboy
Hall of Fame
That's a misrepresentation as I understand. Spotrac is best breakdown imo.
Stefon Diggs | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com
Stefon Diggs signed a 1 year, $22,520,000 contract with the Houston Texans, including $20,805,000 signing bonus, $22,015,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $22,520,000. In 2025, Diggs will earn, while carrying a cap hit of $16,644,000 and a dead cap value of $16,644,000.
www.spotrac.com
badboy
Hall of Fame
Depends on the player.
Texansballer74
The Marine
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
His age, ACL injury, along with signs that his burst was already starting to fade are my reasons. I’d accept the full cap hit for now, but look for savings through extensions or restructures with other players who are part of the long-term plan. The cap is always manageable, but it has to be done wisely. I think I remember Caserio mentioning that he evaluates things in 3-year windows, which is fine as long as the return on those decisions is strong. I haven’t looked at the extensions he’s done yet, so I can’t fully assess them.
I think fans hope Diggs is willing to take a team-friendly deal to help the cap situation. Given he hasn’t played long enough with CJ to have developed irreplaceable chemistry, and with a new offense coming in, the team may can move forward without him. The free-agent WR market isn’t particularly strong, so Diggs might just focus on getting healthy and seeing what his options are. He’s already made plenty of money and his main goal is probably chasing a ring. I believe his deal voids tomorrow, and we’ll know more but certainly by the start of the new league year on March 12th. Darius Slayton could be a potential target while drafting one of these WRs - Golden, Royals or Egbuka (no order of preference).
Texansballer74
The Marine
badboy
Hall of Fame
Ok where's the break down?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Click on the “ Show more”.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I did that the next screen at the very top had the title of breaking down the contract. Cannot go any further than that.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
From the link there is another link:
https://www.houstonstressans.com/po...ress-their-wide-receiver-needs-this-offseason
badboy
Hall of Fame
Thanks. A good read. I don't want WR FA but Diggs I can accept. I want Golden and Restrepo; Bech and Harris would be four plus Nico. Harold Fannin as TE. And unlike the author, I am okay with these wide receivers starting. They have to be better than what we ended up with last year.
Diggs is going to be a free agent whether we extend him by the 17th or not so that pressure is off. I think he wants to be here and I think Caserio if he can work out the right deal, will bring him back.
Savion Williams could easily fit in the Tank/Diggs role. He's a big guy that's a threat to score anytime he's got the ball in his hands. You can make things work with a guy with that kind of talent. He's a good blocker too. I dont get why this guy is going top end when there are plenty of cheap upgrade WR's out there. Hodge is a guy that is very underrated.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Does Williams have blazing speed? We need speed and more speed.
He's more in the Nico line of a WR. Big physical dude that runs in the 4.4's and is hard to tackle. Learning an NFL offense is the only thing that will hold him back.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Gotta, personally I want someone like Golden who is a speedster ( track speed). Youngster got great hands and his route running is pretty good as well.
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Bluehen Texan
Waterboy
Of course. There could be an exception.
Couldn't get to it from my phone. Made it happen on the trusty laptop. Here's the Diggs contract part.
Diggs has the Texans over the barrel on this. Will he allow an extension on the date to work out a deal with the Texans? Or just test the free agency market? With the bloated market for aging WRs, I think Diggs would be wise to extend with the Texans. But he definitely holds a lot of leverage.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Diggs has already been paid this money. I do not understand why he would hold the Texans over the barrel. If he wants to leave, tell them and leave. If he hopes to be extended, he needs to work with Houston.
I don't get why the contract shows the ~$17m prorated over 4 years when it is not. Today, it advances to 2025. Even if re-worked into future years and not necessarily 4.
I would have thought there would be news out if the February 17th date was pushed back. That is a significant thing in the Texans plans.
I don't get why the contract shows the ~$17m prorated over 4 years when it is not. Today, it advances to 2025. Even if re-worked into future years and not necessarily 4.
I would have thought there would be news out if the February 17th date was pushed back. That is a significant thing in the Texans plans.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I think the true deadline will be March 12th at 4PM EST
badboy
Hall of Fame
That's my thought but not what everybody else is saying. The article says the only way it goes to that date is if Diggs agrees to extend the deadline and we have seen nothing reported. Again I don't understand why the Texans have not spoken on this.