Texan's Training Camp Report - Michael Smith

[thunderkyss]

from another thread....

Not at all. I've freely admitted he's done both. There's just a difference in the implied level of blame. Your writing, whether intentional or not, assigns Carr blame in spite of all of the obvious negative factors;

Go look through my multitude of anti-Carr posts(and I admit, there are a lot of them) and find me one, where I attributed a loss to David Carr.......

won't find it..... never happened.

AFAIK(or recall), I've never even blamed Capers for a loss...... we lost football games, I'm not hung up on blaming anyone.

My worst criticism of David Carr has been after 4 years in the league, he still looks like a 1st year player... right or wrong, or who ever's fault it is doesn't matter to me.

What I hate, is all these "David's got it Bad" Carr apologists... who can't seem to leave the trash on Carr's doorstep(the stuff that actually belongs there, not everything)...... yet they are all over Babin, TJ, Buchannon, Gaffney, Bradford, Milford Brown, Seth Wand....... and a whole gaggle of other players who have had the same handicap Carr has......... & being #1 overall, David should have required less coaching than all the players I've mentioned........ Save Buch & Bradford.........

i.e. Carr just sucks. My take leans more toward a causal relationship; Carr performs poorly primarily because of bad supporting cast and laughable coaching.

who cares why........ David performed poorly, all I'm saying is that David performed poorly. I'm not saying that he can't perform better..... I'm not saying that he is a bust..... I'm just saying he performed poorly.

It's like asking you or anyone else to deliver a package to a destination ten miles away and then, rather than giving you a car to use, making you walk it.

Not exactly.... it's not like we gave David a baseball team...

it's more akin to giving me a stick, and I only know how to drive automatic....... I'll get there eventually... I may not look like Mario Andretti, but after 4 years, I'd at least look competent.

Look, I'm not going to debate this any further with you. If you can't see that Carr is human and makes mistakes, maybe even more than many other great quarterbacks, and has had zero support to cover him on those mistakes, then there's nothing much I can say or do to convince you otherwise. Other than to say "I told you so" when Carr has a good year this time around ... though I suppose you will attribute that one to his teammates and coaching. Some guys just can't win, no matter how you slice it.

If David plays like a probowler, I'll say David played like a probowler.

I won't be wrong, because I never said he can't ever be a problowler...... I just said he didn't look like a 4 year vet last year.

 

[Runner]

2 days ago, highroller28 hijacked this thread and turned it into a "Carr stinks" forum. It took 11 posts before he hit with the 12th post in the thread.

I prefer "devolved" to "hijacked".

 

[GP]

Not exactly.... it's not like we gave David a baseball team...

it's more akin to giving me a stick, and I only know how to drive automatic....... I'll get there eventually... I may not look like Mario Andretti, but after 4 years, I'd at least look competent.


If David plays like a probowler, I'll say David played like a probowler.

I won't be wrong, because I never said he can't ever be a problowler...... I just said he didn't look like a 4 year vet last year.

Driving a stick shift is equated with big, fast, angry men driving a QB into the ground while a staff of coaches stand on the sideline with their mouths open, wondering if they should call a run, or a run, or maybe a five-yard curl on the next play.

Wow. Yeah, I'm starting to see the similarities...

And your defense of "I'm just saying he didn't look like a four-year vet..." is getting old. We all agree on that. It's pretty much obvious to all of us. But you keep making that statement the cornerstone of your posts on this topic, and I can't understand why. Outside of stating the obvious (that Carr doesn't look like a 4-year vet) what else are you offering to this conversation?

I'm getting dizzy. Is anybody else getting dizzy, too?

 

[infantrycak]

far as I know...... there is only one reason to limit a QBs audible choices....... only one.

Troy Aikman, one of the smarter QB's around, has said several times he had zilch, nada for audibles during the Cowboys' prime. Guess JJ just thought he was too stupid to handle any--well that or it was the design of the O.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

The best thing for the Texans is that Carr plays like a player worthy of the first pick in a draft . Then if Mario plays like we all hope he can , we now have two vital pieces to the puzzle . This is the best possible situation for the Texans .

Anyone think that Vince will have a better year than Carr this year ? How about next year any takers ? If we took Vince we'd have a rookie QB learning the ropes ... who may not be the passer of the QB (we drafted with the 1st pick )we let go and no Mario to boot .

The Texans have talent , they were a team with no direction . I think that the Texans just need to ripen on the vine a little and next year in the draft I bet they take a LB or a CB in the 1st RD and they'll be on their way .

 

[thunderkyss]

Driving a stick shift is equated with big, fast, angry men driving a QB into the ground while a staff of coaches stand on the sideline with their mouths open, wondering if they should call a run, or a run, or maybe a five-yard curl on the next play.

Wow. Yeah, I'm starting to see the similarities...

You're right.... walking across town is soooo much more similar......

And your defense of "I'm just saying he didn't look like a four-year vet..." is getting old. We all agree on that. It's pretty much obvious to all of us. But you keep making that statement the cornerstone of your posts on this topic, and I can't understand why. Outside of stating the obvious (that Carr doesn't look like a 4-year vet) what else are you offering to this conversation?

I'm getting dizzy. Is anybody else getting dizzy, too?

my head is spinning as well........... I say David Carr sucked last year, and instead of..... "We all agree, David sucked last year"....... i get 12 pages of guys saying David didn't suck, then on the 13th page, they all say "we all agree that David suck, but you have to understand why he sucked..... "

Because I have no problem with the various reasons why David sucked...

 

[titan hater]

Can't we all just let it go....He is here and Young is not. Nuff said....

 

[chuckm]

Can't we all just let it go....He is here and Young is not. Nuff said....

Please edit your post before someone notices the word "Young" ........

 

[titan hater]

Please edit your post before someone notices the word "Young" ........

my bad....

 

[thunderkyss]

Hey thunderkyss,

I, too, have gone out on a limb and predicted we finish 2nd in the division winning two road games. Not as bold a prediction as yours but still.

Off topic, I see you're from PA...I was born at St Mary's...:bananasplit:

Is Monseaux's still in business? That was some gooood food for a place that looked like it was vacant/abandoned.

ocd........ so sorry I missed this... I was also born at St Mary's..... cool.

anyway, I don't think Monseaux's has been in business for a while..... i haven't got any food from there, since I was in highschool..... late 80's.....

but yeah, they had some good food there.

 

[WWX]

Can't we all just let it go....He is here and Young is not. Nuff said....

They won’t let go of their pessimistic views until Carr proves that he’s actually a good QB. I’m glad we have him now with some experience under his belt, a better team, and an all star coaching staff. And for whoever said Capers style wins Super Bowls… Tell us what his style is because all I saw was very bad play calling for four years strait. I also saw a very young QB take a beating and still show signs of excellence. Yea he had a bad 05 we all saw that and it sucked ***. But I myself knew that year was coming whether 05, 06, 07… because Capers cannot, will not, ever win a freakin Super Bowl. Yea he has a DECENT, not close to good, 3-4 defensive strategy. He might make an OK Def. Coordinator but lacks what it takes to be a successful NFL Head Coach. Dom has proved himself that he can’t be a successful coach because he is too predictable and too weak in most coaching aspects.

 

[TwinSisters]

Can't we all just let it go....He is here and Young is not. Nuff said....

I think we should trade him to Denver for Plummer and Bailey. Kubiak says he is a perfect fit for the Denver offense and they drafted Cutler and need leadership. So we ship him to Denver for a DB, maybe a RB, and a few mid round picks.

Hell, toss Travis Johnson into the deal too... that might net us an extra LBer.

yeah here it is
Plummer, Bailey, Wilson, 3rd, 4th rounder
for
Carr, Johnson, Babin, Joppru

that's a 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 4th
for a
1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd

That's a deal man!

Do you think your fans expected you to go with defensive picks this year?

Maybe, but these guys help us out. We do not have a good blocking tight end and a great receiver on the receiving end of David Carr's passes. We can cause some problems when we line these guys up with Corey Bradford, Jabar Gaffney and Billy Miller.

Casserly - April 2003 from NFL.com

 

[Texans_Chick]

Yawn

 

[The Dude Abides]

Yawn

Let's just blame Chuckm since he started this thread.

Jokes, I got jokes.

 

[GP]

my head is spinning as well........... I say David Carr sucked last year, and instead of..... "We all agree, David sucked last year"....... i get 12 pages of guys saying David didn't suck, then on the 13th page, they all say "we all agree that David suck, but you have to understand why he sucked..... "

Because I have no problem with the various reasons why David sucked...

List the posters, and give evidence of ALL these guys you speak of who think he had an awesome year and didn't stink it up!

Don't make blanket statements about others without being able to back it up. You act as if there are a ton of posters who think David was awesome, and I ain't seeing the same thing.

I see people who admit he stunk, but now think he's going to flourish. That's me right there: He did have a horrible year, and it reminds me of what it's like to go fishing without any bait to put on the hook.

There's a similarity for ya': Capers' philosophy was about like fishing with a baitless hook...nobody's gonna' catch any fish no matter how good an angler they are.

 

[GP]

19 MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An amazing 19 minutes with no replies to this thread.

Could this thread actually be in the last stages of death?

Sorry for rescuing it...but maybe my post could be the last!

"You, too, can help prevent thread fires."

 

[texan279]

This thread to me is like a horrible car accident, you don't want to watch but you just can't look away.

 

[swtbound07]

The best thing for the Texans is that Carr plays like a player worthy of the first pick in a draft . Then if Mario plays like we all hope he can , we now have two vital pieces to the puzzle . This is the best possible situation for the Texans .

Anyone think that Vince will have a better year than Carr this year ? How about next year any takers ? If we took Vince we'd have a rookie QB learning the ropes ... who may not be the passer of the QB (we drafted with the 1st pick )we let go and no Mario to boot .

The Texans have talent , they were a team with no direction . I think that the Texans just need to ripen on the vine a little and next year in the draft I bet they take a LB or a CB in the 1st RD and they'll be on their way .

Yes. I'll take that Vince will have a better year than Carr this year AND next year.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Yes. I'll take that Vince will have a better year than Carr this year AND next year.

Allright whats the wager ?

 

[Wolf]

hmm I wonder about vince has a better year.. is that in wins or in stats?

I say the Texans will have more wins

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I'm going stats . I'm saying TDs , YDs , completion % and QB rating .

 

[TwinSisters]

This thread to me is like a horrible car accident, you don't want to watch but you just can't look away.

yes, let's get this back on topic then.

Since Smith said that both Griese and Plummer know how to operate the system, then we should be shopping Dave to the Bears just like Broncos are.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2532028

A trade with the Bears gives them a reliable back-up for Grossman, and we get two things fixed by getting Griese and Thomas Jones.

A QB that knows how the system already works and some help in the RB department where Davis might not make it.

We can then let Griese take the reigns until Sage is ready or start grooming a new starter while the line is being overhauled.

it could work.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Quack! Quack!

 

[Hulk75]

You're right.... walking across town is soooo much more similar......



my head is spinning as well........... I say David Carr sucked last year, and instead of..... "We all agree, David sucked last year"....... i get 12 pages of guys saying David didn't suck, then on the 13th page, they all say "we all agree that David suck, but you have to understand why he sucked..... "

Because I have no problem with the various reasons why David sucked...

Now its funny how you put things.

You say that Carr Sucked last year and write about it for however many months but what gets me is that you dont have the wind to speak about other players. Dre SUCKED last year I believe the guy had a dropped ball in every game. How many times did Jabar have to run the wrong route before someone pulled him off the field. How about teach DD how to pick up a blitz, our group of TEs sucked worst in the NFL!

How about the Line, this is my favorite! Everyone- The line sucks o my gosh they are bad.

A VERY TALENTED coach comes in and makes 4 of the 5 lineman starting last year and makes them staters this year.................They say that the coaching on the line was HORRIBLE and everyone believes it and thinks now that the line is one of our strong points on Offense.
WHY is it that we (no some of you) can point the fingure at one guy all the time and say O he sucked we dont care why and write 5,000 posts about how bad 1 guy is and then say o no he was not the only one here are some more and write a sentence about what the others did wrong.
(above......Just saying we believe that our line was not as bad, but our QB was)

How many threads have you seen about our Pro Bowl WR sucking it up last year what did he do to get a pass from everyone? Pro Bowl Good for him but some of you are what have you done for me latleys.

It comes with the possition, your right but have some insight on other players instead of the obvous one that was not out there by himself!

I just tired of hearing about all this stuff in the past. Sick and tired. Our QB and team have a great chance to really show the NFL what kind of players we have down here, we have some GREAT coaches here now, yes GREAT they have proved it. SOOOOOOOOOO lets restart and see what happens this year with the guys if guys suck they suck if guys play like we know they can then accept that to, lets not drag last year on and on into the dirt.

We got great chance right now and I am pumped up about this year,period

 

[edo783]

Interesting quote from Kubes today 8/7...think Carr can be and is on track to be a top 3-5 QB.

And Kubiak said this today....interesting in that he says Carr can be and is on track to be a top 3 - 5 QB.

“In this league, the coach and the quarterback have to have a great relationship,” Kubiak said. You know the pressure that’s on that guy taking the snaps and he has to know you are doing everything to make him better. It’s been good, I love it. That’s why I do what I do. I’ve been around a lot of quarterbacks and it’s a (heck) of a battle to get to the point where you are one of those top three or top-five quarterbacks in this league. That’s a battle and a tremendous accomplishment when it does happen, but I see a guy that can do it and he’s headed in that direction.”

 

[WWX]

Interesting quote from Kubes today 8/7...think Carr can be and is on track to be a top 3-5 QB.

And Kubiak said this today....interesting in that he says Carr can be and is on track to be a top 3 - 5 QB.

“In this league, the coach and the quarterback have to have a great relationship,” Kubiak said. You know the pressure that’s on that guy taking the snaps and he has to know you are doing everything to make him better. It’s been good, I love it. That’s why I do what I do. I’ve been around a lot of quarterbacks and it’s a (heck) of a battle to get to the point where you are one of those top three or top-five quarterbacks in this league. That’s a battle and a tremendous accomplishment when it does happen, but I see a guy that can do it and he’s headed in that direction.”

That’s a nice compliment from someone who coached two Super Bowl winning QB’s.

 

[tsip]

"Don't make blanket statements about others without being able to back it up."

...agree 100%, shame the thought does not apply to Carr 's

 

[TexansLucky13]

...agree 100%, shame the thought does not apply to Carr 's

It's a shame that there are pretty much no thoughts that apply to anti-Carr s and VY s.

P.S. - Another dead thread....

 

[thunderkyss]

gpshafer_1976[/B]]List the posters, and give evidence of ALL these guys you speak of who think he had an awesome year and didn't stink it up!

Don't make blanket statements about others without being able to back it up. You act as if there are a ton of posters who think David was awesome, and I ain't seeing the same thing.

I see people who admit he stunk, but now think he's going to flourish. That's me right there: He did have a horrible year, and it reminds me of what it's like to go fishing without any bait to put on the hook.

There's a similarity for ya': Capers' philosophy was about like fishing with a baitless hook...nobody's gonna' catch any fish no matter how good an angler they are.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gpshafer_1976
He didn't sandbag anything, man.

Wake up, man: He's the QB. If you want to see us succeed, you'll stop the "I'm smarter than you are" act and get on board with the very real fact that the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr. The two are inseparable.

Amazing.

Posted by Thunderkyss
So what does last years failure say about our QB??

I'm just asking a simple question here....... from your response, I think you are saying if the team is successfull, it is directly related to the play of the QB. But if the team goes 2-14..... everyone but the QB is to blame......

maybe I'm reading it wrong... explain it to me..... you had a long posted typed, but decided to cheer Carr.....

And I am not saying that anyone thinks Carr was stellar...... perhaps I've used a bit of hyperbole.. .... ..... but let's say someone says TJ sucked last year....

how many times have you heard the reason TJ sucked was because the coaches didn't know how to deal with a player with ADD?? or that a Rookie like TJ needs a coach to help develop the obvious talent he has to be picked in the first round?? or that Fangio knew less about a 3-4 defense than Capers knew about offense.

Change TJ's name, with Babin's or Peeks... two DEs, having to learn to play linebacker with Fangio as the end all be all of how it should be done??

Or Milford Brown, Fred Weary, SethWand, and Hogdon having to learn to play offensive line, with the same guys responsible for not teaching Carr.

Carr sucked....... and bam..... 3 days of excuses...... but not for anyone else.

 

[infantrycak]

Carr sucked....... and bam..... 3 days of excuses...... but not for anyone else.

Yeah, no one has ever raised a Peek was hampered by Fangio defense before. BS--I know, I've seen me do it.

 

[thunderkyss]

Now its funny how you put things.

You say that Carr Sucked last year and write about it for however many months but what gets me is that you dont have the wind to speak about other players. Dre SUCKED last year I believe the guy had a dropped ball in every game. How many times did Jabar have to run the wrong route before someone pulled him off the field. How about teach DD how to pick up a blitz, our group of TEs sucked worst in the NFL!

They had bad coaches....

I just tired of hearing about all this stuff in the past. Sick and tired. Our QB and team have a great chance to really show the NFL what kind of players we have down here, we have some GREAT coaches here now, yes GREAT they have proved it. SOOOOOOOOOO lets restart and see what happens this year with the guys if guys suck they suck if guys play like we know they can then accept that to, lets not drag last year on and on into the dirt.

this would work better, if it were your first post in this thread....... then you just stay out of it all together... then it would look like you were sincere.

Instead, it looks like you were really interested for two days, then just gave up.

We got great chance right now and I am pumped up about this year,period

8-8...... IIRC...... that's not optomistic if you ask me..... that's accepting that we will not win 8 games before they are even played.... yeah, call it realistic expectations if you want....

but saying we won't be a good football team in '06, but we won't be a bad team, is hardly optomistic.

If..... you really want to know, I'd much rather not dog any of our players... but in my whole Vince Young before Reggie Campaign, I learned something.

It is okay to criticize every player on this team....... even the only productive player from the '05 season...... but not Carr....

 

[thunderkyss]

Yeah, no one has ever raised a Peek was hampered by Fangio defense before. BS--I know, I've seen me do it.

infantrycak............ I'd love to do nothing, but talk about you and you alone... but sadly, that is not the case...... true, I am surprised to hear that you've defended Peek....... I may have to take you off my "Inappropriate Man-Love towards David Carr" list. Of course this will have to be confirmed..... but I will be on the look out.


Or are you talking about the...... "Peek could prosper if he'd be allowed to just pin his ears back" argument?? That's not the same as a, "It'd be nice if we had someone to teach Carr....... I mean Peek how to be a LInebacke in a 3-4 defense"

 

[infantrycak]

infantrycak............ I'd love to do nothing, but talk about you and you alone... but sadly, that is not the case...... true, I am surprised to hear that you've defended Peek....... I may have to take you off my "Inappropriate Man-Love towards David Carr" list. Of course this will have to be confirmed..... but I will be on the look out.

I used myself as an example of providing the kind of comment many people have made--you just choose to ignore them as you continue your little campaign--just like you have ignored repeated requests to show any track record of my making positive posts about Carr.

Or are you talking about the...... "Peek could prosper if he'd be allowed to just pin his ears back" argument?? That's not the same as a, "It'd be nice if we had someone to teach Carr....... I mean Peek how to be a LInebacke in a 3-4 defense"

It's exactly the same. The coaching staff (a) did not build their D to their players' strengths and implemented a poor system and (b) did not assist aka coach the players to improve their skills as evidenced by the recent discussion of Peek only having a single pass rushing move--you think maybe a good coach would have spent some time over the past 3 years teaching him a repertoire of moves?

 

[chuckm]

I used myself as an example of providing the kind of comment many people have made--you just choose to ignore them as you continue your little campaign--just like you have ignored repeated requests to show any track record of my making positive posts about Carr.

Lay off TK .... he's a big Carr fan from way back ..... I enter into evidence a post from November 28th, 2005 BV (Before Vince) about Carr after the Arizona game ....

Did he do anything Stupid?? I mean we could have much worse than Carr. The kids got an arm, he's got the will to win, and he's not stupid. I think Carr can be doing alot better than the Houston Texans, and he'd be stupid(though I'd love it) if he decided to stay in Houston. The QB is not the problem, and that is one position you don't want to be trying to fill, while you are building a team.

I saw in this game, what I thought I was going to see all year. A team that was competitive, and explosive. DD had a good game, Wells was awesome, Andre is a stud, and he showed it..........Gafney didn't have his best game, if he did......we'd have won. Carr looked great, and I do mean Great, and the O-Line looked really good.

 

[thunderkyss]

Lay off TK .... he's a big Carr fan from way back ..... I enter into evidence a post from November 28th, 2005 BV (Before Vince) about Carr after the Arizona game ....

And even when I was pushing Vince, I was saying to trade down first, but if we are going to waste the pick, we'd be better off wasting it on Vince rather than Reggie Bush.....

ergo.... Carr is good enough for us..... but...

a) we are still judging him on potential &
b) he still faces the same odds of being a bust as any one we would have drafted in '06.

Picking Reggie IMHO would be a waste, because we
a) have a guy who has shown to be a producer in the NFl.... just as much as Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes, and Larry Johnson...... considering how bad the entire team is. &
b) we have a coach that can turn Johnathan Wells into a 1500 yard producer.





but for some reason, just because someone says one(or a thousand :rollseyes bad thing about Carr...... then he's just a hater....... or a Vince Lover, or whatever......

I've been just as optomistic about Carr as any of you..... maybe more.

 

[infantrycak]

Lay off TK .... he's a big Carr fan from way back ..... I enter into evidence a post from November 28th, 2005 BV (Before Vince) about Carr after the Arizona game ....

I know--he has just swung his hyperbole 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

 

[GP]

I'm just asking a simple question here....... from your response, I think you are saying if the team is successfull, it is directly related to the play of the QB. But if the team goes 2-14..... everyone but the QB is to blame......

No, I am saying that I am tired of people having a grudge against the QB of this team. The endless ragging has become an obsession with you guys, and I would just like to see all our guys get a clen slate (even TJ). But the one guy who has been given extra attention has been the QB.

Thus, my quote of "...the success of the Texans is directly tied to the success of David Carr" means that we can't win games if Carr is failing. And from where I stand, looking at these posts, there's two groups of Carr doubters: (1) Those who hold a grudge but are slowly trying to give him a chance, but yet they still can't say positive things about him because they're angry at him or at last season's debale, or both, and then there is (B) Those who will never root or cheer David Carr--They are done with him, and the only thing that will satisfy them is to see that he is gone from our team.

You fall into group one, IMO. People like tsip, swt, and twinsisters fall into group 2. My biggest bone to pick is with people in group 2 because they are being so pigheaded in their anger that they fail to realize that we're going to have to realllllllly stink it up to get Carr off the team. And so I wonder: Isn't it easier to hope for Carr's success? Isn't the poorer belief system the one that says, "Man, I hope he bombs so we get another QB..."?

To me, that's just flat out sad.

The quote you are using is for Group 2. It's a statement about how they think and how they are approaching this topic.

 

[Bearfan Blue and Orange]

yes, let's get this back on topic then.

Since Smith said that both Griese and Plummer know how to operate the system, then we should be shopping Dave to the Bears just like Broncos are.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2532028

A trade with the Bears gives them a reliable back-up for Grossman, and we get two things fixed by getting Griese and Thomas Jones.

A QB that knows how the system already works and some help in the RB department where Davis might not make it.

We can then let Griese take the reigns until Sage is ready or start grooming a new starter while the line is being overhauled.

it could work.

First, why would we (Bears) take Carr when we have Griese and paying Rex much already. The reason Griese came to the Bears is the track record of Rex, I believe he will end up the starter by mid season. and Why not come to the Bears that have a great offensive line to protect him as well as a Defense that is already proving domination in the NFL for consecutive years. We are not going to get rid of Jones either, Jones will have to play his heart out in order to get the money he wants. He wants Cedric Benson money. That is what irritates me about Drew Rosenhaus (spelling) as an agent, a guy has 1, 1 good year and thinks he should be paid top money.

Jones is NEVER going to get that type of money, heck , when we signed him we gave him more than any team was willing to part with; ungrateful!!!

 

[jerek]

Interesting quote from Kubes today 8/7...think Carr can be and is on track to be a top 3-5 QB.

And Kubiak said this today....interesting in that he says Carr can be and is on track to be a top 3 - 5 QB.

“In this league, the coach and the quarterback have to have a great relationship,” Kubiak said. You know the pressure that’s on that guy taking the snaps and he has to know you are doing everything to make him better. It’s been good, I love it. That’s why I do what I do. I’ve been around a lot of quarterbacks and it’s a (heck) of a battle to get to the point where you are one of those top three or top-five quarterbacks in this league. That’s a battle and a tremendous accomplishment when it does happen, but I see a guy that can do it and he’s headed in that direction.”

Well, what the hell does he know? Twin Sisters says trade him, that's good enough for me.

We need a smiley face for blind prejudice.

 

[chuckm]

We need a smiley face for blind prejudice.

how about ?

 

[swtbound07]

No, I am saying that I am tired of people having a grudge against the QB of this team. The endless ragging has become an obsession with you guys, and I would just like to see all our guys get a clen slate (even TJ). But the one guy who has been given extra attention has been the QB.

Thus, my quote of "...the success of the Texans is directly tied to the success of David Carr" means that we can't win games if Carr is failing. And from where I stand, looking at these posts, there's two groups of Carr doubters: (1) Those who hold a grudge but are slowly trying to give him a chance, but yet they still can't say positive things about him because they're angry at him or at last season's debale, or both, and then there is (B) Those who will never root or cheer David Carr--They are done with him, and the only thing that will satisfy them is to see that he is gone from our team.

You fall into group one, IMO. People like tsip, swt, and twinsisters fall into group 2. My biggest bone to pick is with people in group 2 because they are being so pigheaded in their anger that they fail to realize that we're going to have to realllllllly stink it up to get Carr off the team. And so I wonder: Isn't it easier to hope for Carr's success? Isn't the poorer belief system the one that says, "Man, I hope he bombs so we get another QB..."?

To me, that's just flat out sad.

The quote you are using is for Group 2. It's a statement about how they think and how they are approaching this topic.

Hi, I'll be your group 2 representative for the day. Let me tel you why you are wrong. I've said this at least a hundred times. IM NOT HOPING CARR FAILS. Big letters get your attention? I don't hope he bombs. I've said repeatedly that I hope Im wrong about him because all I want is to win. What i AM saying is that his past 4 seasons have stripped me of any chance of being optimistic about his chances of being an NFL Qb. Im not going to make pie in the sky predictions and skirt around the fact that we have a qb who I (and im certainly not alone) consider to be terrible. I want the Texans to win, not david carr to succeed........which is why i've been campaigning for Sage to start. I think he has the tools, and could make our offense click.

 

[texan279]

Hi, I'll be your group 2 representative for the day. Let me tel you why you are wrong. I've said this at least a hundred times. IM NOT HOPING CARR FAILS. Big letters get your attention? I don't hope he bombs. I've said repeatedly that I hope Im wrong about him because all I want is to win. What i AM saying is that his past 4 seasons have stripped me of any chance of being optimistic about his chances of being an NFL Qb. Im not going to make pie in the sky predictions and skirt around the fact that we have a qb who I (and im certainly not alone) consider to be terrible. I want the Texans to win, not david carr to succeed........which is why i've been campaigning for Sage to start. I think he has the tools, and could make our offense click.

If the last 4 seasons have stripped you of any chance of being optimistic about Carr, then you should have no reason to be optimistic about any guys on the team, except for maybe 2 or 3 guys that have put up 1 or 2 good seasons, no one on this team has done anything special or above and beyond in the last 4 seasons. And what has Sage done to make you think he would perform better than Carr, or make our offense "click"? The guy has started 2 games in 5 seasons with a career completion percentage of 49.5 and a career QB rating of 68.4, if Sage was that good he would be starting somewhere in this league.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

What if Mario becomes one of the top 5 DEs in the league ? What if Carr becomes a QB worthy of a couple of Pro-Bowls ?

I think the odds of this happening today are 50/50 which is not bad . If Carr and Mario realize their potential then the Texans are a playoff contender and went the right direction .

 

[goodnews boy]

I think the odds of this happening today are 50/50 which is not bad . If Carr and Mario realize their potential then the Texans are a playoff contender and went the right direction .

The thing about Carr is too much ground time. Can any of you Carr haters tell me which QB had the highest sack total and went to the Pro Bowl? What about having a 70 QB rating with a record number of sacks? All great QB have had an above average line blocking for them. We need to give him a chance with a decent line. To be a good QB, that is the key. I guarantee if he is traded to a good team, he will thrive. Then you WILL be sorry.:brickwall

 

[swtbound07]

The thing about Carr is too much ground time. Can any of you Carr haters tell me which QB had the highest sack total and went to the Pro Bowl? What about having a 70 QB rating with a record number of sacks? All great QB have had an above average line blocking for them. We need to give him a chance with a decent line. To be a good QB, that is the key. I guarantee if he is traded to a good team, he will thrive. Then you WILL be sorry.:brickwall

Vick had the highest sack total in the NFL and went to the probowl. I won't be sorry if Carr is traded......

 

[infantrycak]

Vick had the highest sack total in the NFL and went to the probowl. I won't be sorry if Carr is traded......

Which says more about probowl voting than anything else. Going in to Vick's 6th year folks are still waiting for him to become a QB.

 

[thunderkyss]

Which says more about probowl voting than anything else. Going in to Vick's 6th year folks are still waiting for him to become a QB.

true, but they know the Falcons win more games with Vick in, than out.

 

[Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry]

The thing about Carr is too much ground time. Can any of you Carr haters tell me which QB had the highest sack total and went to the Pro Bowl? What about having a 70 QB rating with a record number of sacks? All great QB have had an above average line blocking for them. We need to give him a chance with a decent line. To be a good QB, that is the key. I guarantee if he is traded to a good team, he will thrive. Then you WILL be sorry.:brickwall

When you say "all great QB have an above average line blocking for them" the first thing that goes through my head is Doug Williams(think thats the guy) in wash. with the HOGS in front of him. Played in the Super Bowl also.Cant remember if it was one that thay won though.

 

[TwinSisters]

First, why would we (Bears) take Carr when we have Griese and paying Rex much already. The reason Griese came to the Bears is the track record of Rex, I believe he will end up the starter by mid season. and Why not come to the Bears that have a great offensive line to protect him as well as a Defense that is already proving domination in the NFL for consecutive years. We are not going to get rid of Jones either, Jones will have to play his heart out in order to get the money he wants. He wants Cedric Benson money. That is what irritates me about Drew Rosenhaus (spelling) as an agent, a guy has 1, 1 good year and thinks he should be paid top money.

Jones is NEVER going to get that type of money, heck , when we signed him we gave him more than any team was willing to part with; ungrateful!!!

That's the reason the Bears would part with both Griese and Jones. They get rid of a headache and don't lose or gain anything with the QB swap. Carr would be ready to start by midseason in Chicago and we get a guy that is proven to work with Kubiak that can start winning NOW, not another four years from now.

I think the Bears are really in the market for a WR though. Something that we don't have to spare.

Carr's bonus acceleration would kill the deal anyway. I don't think we have any room to be able to deal him ( on top of the fact that McNair would never do it and we are carrying 666 in dead money from Wade already ).

 

[goodnews boy]

Vick had the highest sack total in the NFL and went to the probowl. I won't be sorry if Carr is traded......

Which season was this?