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Texans Trade for Phillip Buchannon (second thread)

TexanTom said:
Isn't his agent Rosenhaus? Has there been any talk that he wants a new contract or anything? I don't necessarily see anything he's done that deserves a bigger contract but I was just curious if we've actually heard "from the horse's mouth" that renegotiating his contract was/was not involved in this deal? Rosenhaus just makes me nervous....
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Another reason why this is such a great deal. Once the team is convinced Buchanan is going to be a good player for us, they can offer to renegotiate his contract. Instead of signing him to a, hypothetically, 5 year $25 mill contract with a $10 million signing bonus in 2007, they can say... In addtion to the money you've already made for this season and next we'll extend it three more years. We'll give you an $8 million signing bonus and a 5 year deal worth $18 million starting today...

that would be a better deal for Buchanan because of what is left on his current deal and it would also be a bargain for the Texans.
 
I've heard all my life that your first instinct is usually right. I hope that doesn't apply to football trades because my first reaction was .......... OMG NOOOOOOO
 
markbeth said:
two years ago we worked hard to get an extra pick from the raiders and spent it on hollings and a lot of people rationalized that it was a free pick so it would not matter if it was a bust. free pick or not it was a second round pick and should have been thought of as such. not much use in working to get those picks if you devalue them once you have em'.
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The thing is we had no idea the Raiders would bend over so much the next year. We were looking at a late 2nd round pick when we went for Hollings. Weren't the Raiders in the Superbowl in 2003? We had no idea it would be the 2nd pick in the 2nd round or whatever that pick would have been. The Texans were playing it smart and one upping the other guys by offering a LATE 2nd round pick, until bam the Raiders, in a four point stance, get raided themselves the next season.

A late 2nd round pick was right along the lines of what Hollings was valued...many teams were offering up early 3rds for him.
 
markbeth said:
two years ago we worked hard to get an extra pick from the raiders and spent it on hollings and a lot of people rationalized that it was a free pick so it would not matter if it was a bust. free pick or not it was a second round pick and should have been thought of as such. not much use in working to get those picks if you devalue them once you have em'.
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I don't recall anyone rationalizing it as a free pick. There were a number of people, myself included, that said it was very reasonable to guess the pick had the value of a very low 2nd rounder since the Raiders had just been in the Superbowl. Is there anyone who really wants to claim they forsaw them going from 31st pick in the round to #1?

This has some bearing on Buchanon's circumstances as well. The kid comes out and is having a great rookie season and then gets hurt preventing him from playing out the season and going to the Superbowl. He comes back as a lone shining figure with 6 INT's, 2 run back for TD's and 2 punt returns for TD's as the team disintegrates around him with the QB figting the coach, the coaches fighting each other, players hitting players, Woodson in his yearly salary gripe and public coaching criticism. Real conducive environment to learning and feeling appreciated there. New coach comes in his third year, new system, bad personnel moves--heck forget AJ beating Buchanon, Gaffney beat Woodson in that game. Yeah, he could have been more patient, but I can also completely understand why he would want to play somewhere else--like for a team with a top DB coach that knows him, a good buddy, an experienced mentor who likes teaching more than TV interviews. Seems like a good gamble (and there is some risk to it) on having one of the strongest secondaries around--how many teams sport three top 20 draft picks in their secondaries?
 
LBC_Justin said:
Speed, Youth and Playmaking ability were needed in the Texans Secondary. They just got it. Glenn is still good but history shows he doesn't have much time left.
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I don't know that I'd write off Glenn too soon. Darrel Green played until he was in his 40s. :cool:
 
There will be no way till Phillip gets on the field to know if this is a good trade or not...the nature of the business is that sometimes you take chances and I'm sure that is what the Texans are doing. They see that he's got alot of talent and took a chance.

I would not put Glenn in the same class as Darrell Green. That guy was a genetic freak playing as long as he did and so well. He represented the Redskins quite nicely.
 
Enormo said:
. I think it would have been better spent on trading up (seems like plenty of teams would be willing to trade down in this draft) and grabbing Rolle or Jones . Especially Jones because he seems to be in the same mould as PB... except he's not a headcase yet.
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If we used the exact same picks to trade up to get an unproven corner, then we would have spent three picks on him... the 2nd and the 3rd that were involved in the trade and the 1st that we got in the trade. You think that's what we should've done? WRONG!!!
Where we are sitting in the 1st, we wouldn't be able to get Rolle or Jones... and 13 is too early for any of the other CBs IMO. So, we would have been faced with taking (possibly) a second round CB @ #47... most likely, P.B. will turn out to be a better player than any CB we would draft @ that pick...
 
with the 2 pick we had the best we could have done is move up to the 30 spot and there would not be a better prospect than buchanon at that spot, and definately not at that price.
 
"My whole view is to come in and learn as much as I can learn from Aaron and to do everything I can to help," Buchanon said. "There was another team involved (Washington), but I'm glad it worked out here. Everything happened so quickly. I'm really hyped about it."
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"I see myself fitting in like any other player," Buchanon said. "Some things went on (in Oakland) that I wasn't very happy with. It was mainly with some of the players. Some of them weren't ready to play."
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article by Carlton @ the Chronic
 
I got a kick out of DeAngelo Hall from the Falcons, who D-Rob completely eclipsed as a top-round DB draftee last year, talking about the Texans' acquisition of PB on NFL Total Access last night. Hall said the Texans were "crazy" to do that, because they have two established starters in Glenn and D-Rob. He added gravely that "somebody's gonna have to go inside" now to play the slot/nickel, like it was a huge insult that would destroy team chemistry.

Of course, he also said that he was given "instant respect" as a rookie DB and couldn't get the same INT numbers that "other rookies" did (meaning D-Rob, probably) because other teams didn't want to challenge him. Uh, dude, think it might also be because your backside was warming the bench due to injury for most of the regular season last year?
 
Hey Don, I think Buchannon needs to pass the physical and finalize the paperwork. That should happen today.
 
TexanExile said:
I got a kick out of DeAngelo Hall from the Falcons, who D-Rob completely eclipsed as a top-round DB draftee last year, talking about the Texans' acquisition of PB on NFL Total Access last night. Hall said the Texans were "crazy" to do that, because they have two established starters in Glenn and D-Rob. He added gravely that "somebody's gonna have to go inside" now to play the slot/nickel, like it was a huge insult that would destroy team chemistry.
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Wow. You would think that Hall, a CB in the NFL would know Dunta played the slot/blitz position last year.
 
Texans definitely got hosed on ESPN draft coverage yesterday. All they did was mention the trade with Lions' acquisition of Kevin Johnson. Then they went on to fuel talk in Washington with what's going on there for the next ten minutes. No respect it's never too early for bulletin board material.
 
I really don't find it too surprising that Hall doesn't know how effective DRob is on the blitz. He's probably turned a blind eye to DRob since he had such a good year, and Hall was out with an injury. If he doesn't see Dunta's success then he doesn't have to acknowledge that DRob might have been the best CB coming out of the draft last year. The fact that he implied playing inside was an insult shows that he doesn't follow the NFL that closely. Ronde Barber played inside when the Bucs went to nickle and dime packages because he, too, excelled at blitzing. Yet he was the Bucs starting CB. The more versatile the player the better.
 
dagr8whitehope said:
What exactly did the trade involve? I just saw that the Texans acquired Buchanon, which is fine by me as long as they didn't trade this year's number 1, which they didn't. With that 13, do you think we go OL or DL, both could use some help, but I see more D-linemen available later in the draft but only 1 dominant O-lineman, that being Barron. I think that we should go after Barron at 13, due to the fact that the secondary won't need as much help with Phillip as a 3rd corner. The offense, in my eyes, is only 1 or 2 pieces away from being great, so I say take these pieces this year early, and with your 3rd's, grab one of the hybrids that's left, as there are 3 or 4 that could be good who will still be there. That's all i got for now, later.
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DL!!!!! Need more DL`s.You can never have enough DL`s
 
It was pretty clear watching MeAngelo on TV that he was VERY aware that DRob had made him look shabby with his 6 ints. Couldn't even seem to get out his name when talking about it. Then of course he says "I couldn't show MY stuff cause I was injured". Which while true, is just him making an excuse rather that giving DRob props. IMO, it was clear he was not happy that DRob had such a good first year.
 
But Dunta also had a couple of sacks from that Nickle position and actually forced a couple of fumbles but they were called back because the league wanted that QB to break a record that game.
 
CaptainPatriot said:
DL!!!!! Need more DL`s.You can never have enough DL`s
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You have a point, though on this team, in this system it's a combination of DL and LB's. We've got ourselves one hell of a secondary now so the next thing we need to do is give those guys a decent pass rush. Without it they'll look very ordinary.
 
El Tejano said:
But Dunta also had a couple of sacks from that Nickle position and actually forced a couple of fumbles but they were called back because the league wanted that QB to break a record that game.
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But Hall didn't say anything about sacks, I'm not sure where you're going with this.
 
LikeABoss said:
That article is the truth :thumbup
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Thanks for the link, I'm pumped about the trade. If PB is "pumped to be here" then I'm pumped to have him here. I am one of the fans who thought this trade was great as soon as I heard it, Casserly put it perfectly you are not going to draft anyone better than PB in the second round. I personally dont think you could get a better corner in the entire draft. We basically gave up a 2nd round pick and Drew Henson for PB ! what a deal, we'll have PB intercepting passes and taking punts back to the house instead of a 2nd and 3rd rounder trying to learn NFL football for their first couple years. This trade shows us the front office wants to win now and that is an encouraging thing.
 
Not only do we face the Colts high powered offense twice but we play some teams that have outstanding receivers. For example, the St.Louis Rams have Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce, and bunch of guys who will make plays for Marc Bulger. Then there are the Cardinals who have Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, and Bryant Johnson. Those guys should be even more better this year. Seattle has guys like Darrell Jackson, Bobby Engram, etc. Hence, you need more than 2 good corners to have success this year and the future and this trade gives us 3 very good corners.
 
Nawzer said:
Not only do we face the Colts high powered offense twice but we play some teams that have outstanding receivers. For example, the St.Louis Rams have Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce, and bunch of guys who will make plays for Marc Bulger. Then there are the Cardinals who have Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, and Bryant Johnson. Those guys should be even more better this year. Seattle has guys like Darrell Jackson, Bobby Engram, etc. Hence, you need more than 2 good corners to have success this year and the future and this trade gives us 3 very good corners.
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That is something I didn't think about. On paper now we look like we can win pretty much all of those games.
 
I thought you guys mite want to know : PB may legally change his name to "ShowTime" :D
Meanwhile, the Texans were raving about their acquisition of Buchanon, whom the team hopes will challenge veteran Aaron Glenn and second-year cornerback Dunta Robinson for a starting job.

"He's a great young player and I think he'll fit really well in our system here,'' Texans general manager Charley Casserly said. "We're excited about the deal.''

As for Buchanon's self-aggrandizing personality -- he has spoken recently about legally changing his name to "Showtime" and once arrived at Raiders' training camp in a stretch limousine wearing a Playboy pajama suit -- Casserly said Houston has the kind of disciplined coaching staff that can handle such an over-the-top character.

"He'll fit in well here. He's already close with (Texans wide receiver) Andre Johnson,'' Casserly said of Buchanon. "I think we'll get the best out of him.''
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/21/RAIDERS.TMP


Im all for it :D
 
That's Mr. Time to you. He can change his name to "Greatest Showon Earth" for all I care, as long as he does what he was brought here to do.
 
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