Texans to take a closer look at Young

[axman40]

As for the previous comment on McNair being at Vince's pro day, why wouldn't he go when it's a three hour drive away and UT always runs the best pro day in terms of taking care of the scouts and whoever else comes and attends, and as McNair said when interviewed about it "there are a lot of fine prospects here that we want to check out" .

That is so true I hear the strip clubs had to call in extra dancers!

 

[thunderkyss]

Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha -
Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly, and falls dead to the right]

Classic.

This is my bestest favoritest movie of all time.....

But Pirates of the Carribean is catching up.

 

[Tale Gator]

But Pirates of the Carribean

Haven't seen that one yet...

don't think I will either.

 

[thunderkyss]

I can understand and empathize with this take. That said, we have DC, and we just signed him to a hefty chunk of change. I believe Kubes/Sherman are going to make our line better, install a real offense (you cannot in any seriousness tell me that Vince would have played any better for Pendry), and that David Carr is going to shine in that offense, or at least play well enough to win games. That fact, plus our multitude of glaring holes, indicates that we simply do not have the luxury of pissing away 55M and our first round pick on a position that we are already solid in. That more than anything else is what drives my decision to pass on Young.

This is what makes you a hater.
I have not once seen you so vehemetly(sp) argue against Reggie Bush, even though you say you think we should trade down.... This is the same argument you should use against Reggie... the exact same thing.

You can not tell me you aren't impressed in the least, that Domanick has accomplished the things he has accomplished in Houston. His first three years are better than Tiki's, Alexander's, Larry Johnsons, You name it....(not LT, and his numbers are only comparable to Edge's.).

But our line is better at run blocking than they are in pass blocking....... why do you say that, because we have more rushing yards, and sacks??? 20 of which we can blame on Carr, which brings the sacks given up by the line to 48...... Tom Brady won a superbowl while getting sacked 41 times as a rookie.


Stacey Mack, Jonathan Wells, James Allen....... how good did the Offensive line look when they were in the back field??

No one is kicking up an eternal ****storm about the invincible Matt Leinart. No one has even mentioned his name as a legitimate candidate. If we are so desperate to replace our QB, why not Leinart or Cutler? Why not talk about Cutler's rocket arm or Leinart's poise and ridiculous winning tradition. Yes, USC's offense was heralded as one of the best of all time, but it's not as if UT's wasn't good. UT had one of the very best recruiting classes and was a very strong offensive unit, so do not pretend as if there is some large difference between Leinart's supporting cast and Vince's. IMO, Mack Brown outcoached Carroll, straight up, and that game was only won by a whole 3 points.

So.... when was the last time you got on the Reggie Bush crowd about not having lighting up a ****storm over D'Angelo, Moroney, Addai........ etc.... etc... Why not tell them to trade down, get an extra pick and fill that desperate Running Back need with a less expensive pick... a safer pick, then use that extra pick to addreww another need??

Conclusion: we do not draft Young because we are already solid at QB, we don't have 55M in free cap for a project QB, and because we have too many other holes to fill to become a winning team. Disagree with if you want, but understand my argument for what it is.

Before free agency started, we were solid at Running back....... DD, Wells, Morency.... we weren't as solid at QB........ Carr...... might be somebody, but so far it doesn't look good....... Banks..... nobody wants him.... can't start on our team, can't be a back up on anyone elses........ Ragone..... management hasn't shown a lot of confidence in him...... hence they've kept Banks for soooo long. because we could afford him??

But this has been your position from the get go....... we don't need a backup that can be a possible starter... we need a washed up never was that will happily stand in till David gets better.....

That's the attitude you have, when you've got an Aikman, a Manning, a McNabb, a Jim Kelly, a Drew Bledsoe........ not if you've got a Jake Plummer, a Bob Griese, a Charlie Batch, or a Jeff Garcia.... until they prove anything, you load up on QB..... $13 million is too much to pay Carr for what we've seen...... no, not the 2-14, not the 2 thousand sacks, not the dropped balls, ints, or the worse offense in the league..... We payed him for running out of bounds with the ball in his hands behind the los, we are paying him for assuming the fetal positions, we are paying him for having no idea where the blitz is coming from. We are paying him for eyeballing one reciever, for running into sacks, for intentional grounding......... we're freak'n red shirting him at $5.25 millin dollars a year.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Man in Black: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.
Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You've made your decision then?
Vizzini: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
Man in Black: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Vizzini: Wait til I get going! Now, where was I?
Man in Black: Australia.
Vizzini: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You're just stalling now.
Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.
Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE POISON IS!
Man in Black: Then make your choice.
Vizzini: I will, and I choose - What in the world can that be?
Vizzini: [Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Roberts looks. Vizzini swaps the goblets]
Man in Black: What? Where? I don't see anything.
Vizzini: Well, I- I could have sworn I saw something. No matter.First, let's drink. Me from my glass, and you from yours.
Man in Black, Vizzini: [they drink ]
Man in Black: You guessed wrong.
Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha -
Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly, and falls dead to the right]
Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.
Man in Black: They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.

Classic.

Have fun stormin' the castle.

 

[thunderkyss]

Haven't seen that one yet...

don't think I will either.

If you liked the Princess Bride, you'll love Pirates of the Carribean......

 

[outofhnd]

Needless to say it is all conjecture until its announced by the NFL commissioner on draft day.... Give the we are going to draft this person not this person argument a rest and simply state you hope they draft this player and why... I could care less about who we draft at this point because with our position its going to be a pretty darn good player. Unless we trade our #1 pick for a pair of a Reeboks.

 

[Nighthawk]

As for the previous comment on McNair being at Vince's pro day, why wouldn't he go when it's a three hour drive away and UT always runs the best pro day in terms of taking care of the scouts and whoever else comes and attends --

Thanks for the Hippy-Dippy analysis--I am certain McNair has nothing better to do than drive/helicopter to Austin for a catered sandwich.

In fact, I think he was there for the PR point others have mentioned, to hold open in the eyes of other teams the (remote) possibility that we might be interested in VY. And, in fact, I have a suspicion that there remains a remote possibility that we're interested, depending on what comes along in terms of trade offers, etc.

Frankly, I do NOT see how we can take Bush with the #1 pick in the draft, he's simply not worth it. All the hoo-ha about him has died down, and I think he'll put in a respectable but not astonishing pro day performance, but at the end of the day we have greater needs, esp since running back is among our most well-stocked positions.

 

[tulexan]

How has the hoo-ha died down with Bush, he hasn't done anything yet since the Rose Bowl. Last thing I heard about him was that he and Matt Leinart really impressed everyone at the combine because of how professional they acted in their interviews and press conferences.

I'll say it again. We have zero interest in Vince Young. The entourage showing up to Austin was there for two reasons. To make it look like we are interested to appease the Longhorn fans and because everyone else was there.

 

[kbourda]

I'll say it again. We have zero interest in Vince Young. The entourage showing up to Austin was there for two reasons. To make it look like we are interested to appease the Longhorn fans and because everyone else was there.

You don't say much that I agree with. But with this statement, I couldn't agree with you more. Eventhough I hate to say it, the only way Vince will play in Reliant Stadium is in EA ESPN NFL Football 2007 (Madden).

 

[thunderkyss]

How has the hoo-ha died down with Bush, he hasn't done anything yet since the Rose Bowl. Last thing I heard about him was that he and Matt Leinart really impressed everyone at the combine because of how professional they acted in their interviews and press conferences.

I'll say it again. We have zero interest in Vince Young. The entourage showing up to Austin was there for two reasons. To make it look like we are interested to appease the Longhorn fans and because everyone else was there.

Ahh the mighty and all knowing tulexan has spoken......... we can rest at ease now........... thank you oh intelligent, oh all-knowing, oh omni-present one...........


Did you see the Babin thing coming?? Or were you just as clueless about what the Texans were doing then, as you are nowl??

 

[sprtsfanatic]

If you liked the Princess Bride, you'll love Pirates of the Carribean......

in your original post you had "but pirates of the carribean...."
so he was stating that he hasnt and doesnt think he will watch "BUTT PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN"...just a play on words and was joking around...trying to bring some humor into a heated discussion thats been going on all off season.

 

[Tale Gator]

in your original post you had "but pirates of the carribean...."
so he was stating that he hasnt and doesnt think he will watch "BUTT PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN"...just a play on words and was joking around

Exactly, just cracking a joke amongst friends.

 

[whiskeyrbl]

Dude, have you been watching or free agency as of lately. Every thing they are doing is pointing towards trading the pick to #4 to The Jets. The jets are in dire need for a RB and the texans really need a QB. Every one knows the Option to pick up Carr was made to ensure a starting day QB. He will be cut at the end of this season, and Vince will be starting in 2007. We have a great RB, we answered all questions on the defensive front in the free agency. We picked up a less than solid third string QB, and we now have a legit center to lead our OL. All arrows point towards Vince Young at #4. You Bush worshipers are blind. If he runs faster then 4.45 in the 40 it will be a miracle. I don't see why Houston Fans are not puling for Vince. He has heart, he is a great leader, he is clutch, he doesn't puch people out of bounds after plays( Reggie Bush ),and he is by far the greatest athlete in this years draft.

 

[jerek]

This is what makes you a hater.
I have not once seen you so vehemetly(sp) argue against Reggie Bush, even though you say you think we should trade down.... This is the same argument you should use against Reggie... the exact same thing.

You can not tell me you aren't impressed in the least, that Domanick has accomplished the things he has accomplished in Houston. His first three years are better than Tiki's, Alexander's, Larry Johnsons, You name it....(not LT, and his numbers are only comparable to Edge's.).

But our line is better at run blocking than they are in pass blocking....... why do you say that, because we have more rushing yards, and sacks??? 20 of which we can blame on Carr, which brings the sacks given up by the line to 48...... Tom Brady won a superbowl while getting sacked 41 times as a rookie.


Stacey Mack, Jonathan Wells, James Allen....... how good did the Offensive line look when they were in the back field??


So.... when was the last time you got on the Reggie Bush crowd about not having lighting up a ****storm over D'Angelo, Moroney, Addai........ etc.... etc... Why not tell them to trade down, get an extra pick and fill that desperate Running Back need with a less expensive pick... a safer pick, then use that extra pick to addreww another need??

Before free agency started, we were solid at Running back....... DD, Wells, Morency.... we weren't as solid at QB........ Carr...... might be somebody, but so far it doesn't look good....... Banks..... nobody wants him.... can't start on our team, can't be a back up on anyone elses........ Ragone..... management hasn't shown a lot of confidence in him...... hence they've kept Banks for soooo long. because we could afford him??

But this has been your position from the get go....... we don't need a backup that can be a possible starter... we need a washed up never was that will happily stand in till David gets better.....

That's the attitude you have, when you've got an Aikman, a Manning, a McNabb, a Jim Kelly, a Drew Bledsoe........ not if you've got a Jake Plummer, a Bob Griese, a Charlie Batch, or a Jeff Garcia.... until they prove anything, you load up on QB..... $13 million is too much to pay Carr for what we've seen...... no, not the 2-14, not the 2 thousand sacks, not the dropped balls, ints, or the worse offense in the league..... We payed him for running out of bounds with the ball in his hands behind the los, we are paying him for assuming the fetal positions, we are paying him for having no idea where the blitz is coming from. We are paying him for eyeballing one reciever, for running into sacks, for intentional grounding......... we're freak'n red shirting him at $5.25 millin dollars a year.

As to me being a "hater:" (why I dislike Pro-Vince more than I dislike Pro-Reggie)

(1) Reggie Bush is the "consensus" best RB available. Sure, there are scouts that have rated Lendale and DeAngelo well and some even above Reggie, but Reggie is substantially the front-runner in the RB debate. Only between Houston and Austin is Vince "consensus" anything, and that is the truth, whether or not you choose to believe it. I have talked to hundreds of people throughout the course of my regular job in multiple other states and no one holds Young in nearly the same regard as here. As far as Reggie, I have watched enough of his tape to be convinced that his game will translate to the NFL successfully and far more immediately than Young's. The nuances of transitioning from college to NFL RB are significantly lesser than that of QB. He is a bright kid, a hard worker, and as much a fantastic athlete at RB as Vince is at QB. IMO and because of aforementioned nuances, his success is more "assured."

(2) Davis, while good (and as I have said, in my opinion, at least certainly more than adequate) has consistently demonstrated injury problems. Carr has not: he has missed something like fifteen quarters in four years. Thus, drafting a 50M "partner" for Davis can be construed as the wise decision moreso than drafting a 55M "backup" or "replacement" for 24M (? not sure on the exact figure, but pricey) Carr.

(3) Bush and Davis can play tandem much more easily and effectively than can Carr and Young (Bush at WR, spelling each other, dual backs, etc.) You are simply being argumentative if you refuse to acknowledge that. Bush gives us multiple options and big play ability virtually anywhere on the field: something that previously only AJ has given us. We need another "big play" threat kind of guy before we need a dubious upgrade to QB that will take at least a year to get a handle on the pro game.

(4) I believe Carr is unequivocally the quarterback for this team, though I understand if you do not. I believe he can and will get the job done and done well under Kubiak, and that he has the arm to make all the throws: it's that simple. Regardless, we do not draft Bush to replace Davis: the two are highly probable to share a substantial majority of carries. If we draft Young, we do it either to replace Carr or sit behind him, but in either case, we are probably wasting a lot of money and valuable draft real estate in the process.

(5) The "pro Vince" arguments irritate me more than do the "pro Reggie" arguments. Partly because they are literally in 10:1 ratio on this board, and partly because they tend to be far more illiterate and lacking any sort of context/big picture for the Texans franchise. So there, I said it: that is part of my argument, I am human after all.

If it makes me a hater in your book, so be it, but understand that I think Bush is a far better option for the Texans team - as it exists now, all things considered - than Young. I've told you why and if you consider it pure prejudice, well, that's up to you and the rest of the bandwagon. Just know that it has nothing to do with me disliking the guy: I just believe he is not the right fit for us. It's that simple.

 

[swtbound07]

As to me being a "hater:" (why I dislike Pro-Vince more than I dislike Pro-Reggie)

(1) Reggie Bush is the "consensus" best RB available. Sure, there are scouts that have rated Lendale and DeAngelo well and some even above Reggie, but Reggie is substantially the front-runner in the RB debate. Only between Houston and Austin is Vince "consensus" anything, and that is the truth, whether or not you choose to believe it. I have talked to hundreds of people throughout the course of my regular job in multiple other states and no one holds Young in nearly the same regard as here. As far as Reggie, I have watched enough of his tape to be convinced that his game will translate to the NFL successfully and far more immediately than Young's. The nuances of transitioning from college to NFL RB are significantly lesser than that of QB. He is a bright kid, a hard worker, and as much a fantastic athlete at RB as Vince is at QB. IMO and because of aforementioned nuances, his success is more "assured."

(2) Davis, while good (and as I have said, in my opinion, at least certainly more than adequate) has consistently demonstrated injury problems. Carr has not: he has missed something like fifteen quarters in four years. Thus, drafting a 50M "partner" for Davis can be construed as the wise decision moreso than drafting a 55M "backup" or "replacement" for 24M (? not sure on the exact figure, but pricey) Carr.

(3) Bush and Davis can play tandem much more easily and effectively than can Carr and Young (Bush at WR, spelling each other, dual backs, etc.) You are simply being argumentative if you refuse to acknowledge that. Bush gives us multiple options and big play ability virtually anywhere on the field: something that previously only AJ has given us. We need another "big play" threat kind of guy before we need a dubious upgrade to QB that will take at least a year to get a handle on the pro game.

(4) I believe Carr is unequivocally the quarterback for this team, though I understand if you do not. I believe he can and will get the job done and done well under Kubiak, and that he has the arm to make all the throws: it's that simple. Regardless, we do not draft Bush to replace Davis: the two are highly probable to share a substantial majority of carries. If we draft Young, we do it either to replace Carr or sit behind him, but in either case, we are probably wasting a lot of money and valuable draft real estate in the process.

(5) The "pro Vince" arguments irritate me more than do the "pro Reggie" arguments. Partly because they are literally in 10:1 ratio on this board, and partly because they tend to be far more illiterate and lacking any sort of context/big picture for the Texans franchise. So there, I said it: that is part of my argument, I am human after all.

If it makes me a hater in your book, so be it, but understand that I think Bush is a far better option for the Texans team - as it exists now, all things considered - than Young. I've told you why and if you consider it pure prejudice, well, that's up to you and the rest of the bandwagon. Just know that it has nothing to do with me disliking the guy: I just believe he is not the right fit for us. It's that simple.

I take issue with your first sentence. Reggie isnt even close to the consensus best RUNNING BACK. even from the reggie supporters, the arguement is that he is a threat at wide reciever and kick returner. He cant just be the running back, you have to supplement him with another back for him to be effective...or let him up to special teams. He isnt a pure running back, we have a great running back, and we dont need a wide reciever/kick returner high enough to draft at #1...we got a wide reciever/kick returner...his name is jerome mathis. And he's probably faster than reggie

 

[tulexan]

Reggie's versatility is what makes him the #1 RB in the draft. He is without a doubt the best RB in the draft.

 

[thunderkyss]

As to me being a "hater:" (why I dislike Pro-Vince more than I dislike Pro-Reggie)

If it makes me a hater in your book, so be it, but understand that I think Bush is a far better option for the Texans team - as it exists now, all things considered - than Young. I've told you why and if you consider it pure prejudice, well, that's up to you and the rest of the bandwagon. Just know that it has nothing to do with me disliking the guy: I just believe he is not the right fit for us. It's that simple.

Understood.

 

[NederlandTexan]

I take issue with your first sentence. Reggie isnt even close to the consensus best RUNNING BACK.

Every mock draft site and magazine I've seen has Bush as the top back in the draft. Scouts.com has him rated at a 99. They must be wrong too.

 

[thunderkyss]

Every mock draft site and magazine I've seen has Bush as the top back in the draft. Scouts.com has him rated at a 99. They must be wrong too.

what came first?? the Chicken or the Egg??

Did Houston Proclaim they will be taking Reggie #1 first, or was he rated #1 first??

Looking at our team, I can't see how someone who gets paid can say we need a running back more than anything else on this team.

We lead the league in sacks..... allowed. Our rushing game is better than half the teams in the league... Our passing game is worse than most. Our pass rush is non-existant, and we allow more rushing yards per game than any team in the league(I'm exagerrating for effect).

Now, I know the scouts can't see into the future, to see if we trade or not. It really depends on who has the #1 pick, to be able to say who that #1 pick will be. But if I were doing the Mock, considering the Texans having the #1 pick,

Let's imagine we draft DBrickshaw with the #1 pick.... do we address running back later in the draft?? Second Round?? there will be some great backs, that will do very, very well in a Denver type offense....... Denver, Seattle, Carolina, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis........... just some of the teams that prove you can go far with out that player that" is a threat to score from anywhere and cause match up problems".

I agree, The Texans have done all the right things to be able to address a non-need with the pick.......

I'm not denying that the Texans will more than likely take him....

I'm just saying I don't like it.

If Vince wasn't in this draft... I would...... after what we've done what we've done in free agency.

 

[tulexan]

Reggie was the #1 prospect before the Texans locked it up.

Do you remember the Bush bowl?

 

[swtbound07]

Every mock draft site and magazine I've seen has Bush as the top back in the draft. Scouts.com has him rated at a 99. They must be wrong too.

you really ignored the entire rest of what i said. I wasnt arguing his talent...but i was simply pointing out if he was JUST a running back, yall wouldnt be talking....you excuse our plethora at running back by saying he can pull at reciever too. If we really needed to supplement DD at running back, lendale white and deangelo williams would at least be in the discussion right? thats what yall say about leinart and young.

 

[MorKnolle]

Dude, have you been watching or free agency as of lately. Every thing they are doing is pointing towards trading the pick to #4 to The Jets. The jets are in dire need for a RB and the texans really need a QB. Every one knows the Option to pick up Carr was made to ensure a starting day QB. He will be cut at the end of this season, and Vince will be starting in 2007. We have a great RB, we answered all questions on the defensive front in the free agency. We picked up a less than solid third string QB, and we now have a legit center to lead our OL. All arrows point towards Vince Young at #4. You Bush worshipers are blind. If he runs faster then 4.45 in the 40 it will be a miracle. I don't see why Houston Fans are not puling for Vince. He has heart, he is a great leader, he is clutch, he doesn't puch people out of bounds after plays( Reggie Bush ),and he is by far the greatest athlete in this years draft.

The Texans are not at all positioning themselves to trade down unless they get a huge offer, and if that happens they'll take Mario Williams or Reggie Bush at #4 and if both of them go in the top 3 then probably D'Brickashaw Ferguson. They do not need another QB, if they wanted another QB to seriously "challenge" David Carr then they would have gone after one of the many veteran ones that were available in free agency to have an experienced veteran option rather than bringing on a project rookie. Their answer at QB was signing Rosenfels, obviously indicating that David Carr is their man at #1 and Rosenfels is only meant as an emergency backup if Carr get hurt and that they don't feel the need to sign another ultra-expensive QB and have that much money riding the bench. Saying all this nonsense about Bush running a 4.45-4.55 is ridiculous. I'm not a huge Bush fan, but I realize that he's much faster football speed than that (you can't honestly say Vernon Davis is faster than Bush, and he ran a 4.38), plus Bush has significant experience running track so he knows how to properly run for those types of races, which will only help his time that much more.

I still don't know where you're getting this thing about Bush pushing someone out of bounds, in the four games I've recently rewatched of Vince I've seen him talk more trash and get in the faces of more opposing players than I saw out of Bush's 9 games I re-watched. Vince undeniably has some good physical gifts and exhibited good leadership and competitiveness at the college level, but there are more questions about his game translating to the NFL than Bush or any of the other top picks. Another interesting point on Vince, a buddy of mine recently went and watched every one of Vince's games from this year (not sure how he found the time/desire to do so, but I guess he was curious to revisit Vince, Reggie, Mario, and a few others) and Vince took a grand total of 43 snaps from under center in 13 games, add to that the nancy offense he ran at UT that will take extra time to adjust from, the questions about his technique, and some questions on his throwing ability and decision making.

As for your final comment, Mario Williams is quite clearly the best overall athlete available in this draft, a 6-7, 295 lb. guy that runs a 4.66 40, a 4.36 short shuttle and a 7.19 3 cone plus a 40.5 inch vertical and 35 bench press reps is truly rare. He is bigger, far stronger, and measured out to be faster than Julius Peppers in all these drills, and that kind of presence on defense creates some serious havoc on opposing offenses. Go find a tape of their game against Florida State, Virginia Tech, or especially Southern Mississippi and Maryland to see the kind of disruption he can cause on opposing offenses. I recently found tapes of those and a couple other games of his and was amazed, and anyone that really understands football and how defense works would be too. After Mario, Reggie Bush is the 2nd best athlete in this draft.

 

[NederlandTexan]

...you excuse our plethora at running back...

It's your opinion that Bush is not very good, not worthy as the top back in the draft, that DD is a "great" back and we don't need another one. We can agree to disagree on that point.

 

[jerek]

I take issue with your first sentence. Reggie isnt even close to the consensus best RUNNING BACK. even from the reggie supporters, the arguement is that he is a threat at wide reciever and kick returner. He cant just be the running back, you have to supplement him with another back for him to be effective...or let him up to special teams. He isnt a pure running back, we have a great running back, and we dont need a wide reciever/kick returner high enough to draft at #1...we got a wide reciever/kick returner...his name is jerome mathis. And he's probably faster than reggie

The Reggie Bush/KR argument IMO is ignorance. If we draft Bush at #1, we will be paying him something like 50M+. You do not shell out that kind of cash to a guy who will play special teams (increased likelihood of injury), past perhaps an occasional return. Especially if he is your featured RB. Just does not happen.

As I said, while some scouts do rate DeAngelo or even Lendale above Bush (more prototypical franchise back in terms of total package), Bush is substantially more the consensus best RB available than is Young the best QB available, as far as the national take goes. If you really want to argue me on this point, I can round up the published takes from the more "established" sources, let alone virtually any writer outside of Austin and McClain's office. While Reggie's size and durability are concerns (not that he has shown injury problems, only that we do not know how he would handle a full time NFL load with his 13 carries/per at SC), Bush is still one of the very best players available (with Williams making a strong case lately, and the steadily reliable but unheralded Leinart still at the top of that list.)

And Mathis is fast as hell, but I am going to be honest with you, I would not be surprised if Bush notches a 40 time that is very comparable. That is not the same thing as me saying he will run a time that fast, only that I would not be surprised if he did. As Mork noted, he has substantial track experience, and is simply ... very fast.

I too agree that Davis is a great back and I would hesitate to say we need to spend 50M on a tandem RB/slot receiver. Bush is an exciting athlete whom I believe would benefit this franchise much moreso than Young, and given our team as it stands now I believe he is a better use of that #1 than Young, but I still am very much hoping we can negotiate a good trade, maybe pick up Williams and other first day picks to round out the roster. That is my case.

 

[el toro]

what came first?? the Chicken or the Egg??

Did Houston Proclaim they will be taking Reggie #1 first, or was he rated #1 first??

Looking at our team, I can't see how someone who gets paid can say we need a running back more than anything else on this team.

We lead the league in sacks..... allowed. Our rushing game is better than half the teams in the league... Our passing game is worse than most. Our pass rush is non-existant, and we allow more rushing yards per game than any team in the league(I'm exagerrating for effect).

Now, I know the scouts can't see into the future, to see if we trade or not. It really depends on who has the #1 pick, to be able to say who that #1 pick will be. But if I were doing the Mock, considering the Texans having the #1 pick,

Let's imagine we draft DBrickshaw with the #1 pick.... do we address running back later in the draft?? Second Round?? there will be some great backs, that will do very, very well in a Denver type offense....... Denver, Seattle, Carolina, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis........... just some of the teams that prove you can go far with out that player that" is a threat to score from anywhere and cause match up problems".

I agree, The Texans have done all the right things to be able to address a non-need with the pick.......

I'm not denying that the Texans will more than likely take him....

I'm just saying I don't like it.

If Vince wasn't in this draft... I would...... after what we've done what we've done in free agency.

The top pick gives you the opportunity to land a special player. That, coupled with a coaching staff who can use his talent is why you go with Bush. It's been covered ad naseum as to why adding Bush would not be overkill at that position. You can make the same case for QB and DE if you like.

 

[thunderkyss]

The top pick gives you the opportunity to land a special player. That, coupled with a coaching staff who can use his talent is why you go with Bush. It's been covered ad naseum as to why adding Bush would not be overkill at that position. You can make the same case for QB and DE if you like.

All I'm saying in that post, is that I find it odd that every newspaper, and TV show has us picking Reggie with the #1 pick, considering the problems we have on this team.

I don't think I've heard one expert say, " The smart thing for the Texans to do, would be to draft D'Brickshaw Ferguson". Our QB spends the majority of his playing time looking up at the sky(or the roof if it's closed). Especially with our personnel at the end of 2005.

It's been said, it doesn't matter who our QB was, the results would have been the same. Adding another offensive threat, to me, would be just as futile. Especially if that threat, has to get to the corners, or is a "situational" reciever.

I can't think of one Reciever, not Terrell Owens, not Steve Smith, not Marvin Harrison who would have made the Texans a more potent offensive threat. We were taking sacks, when the opposing team would rush as little as 5 players.

There was no getting to the corner, by anybody.... there was no pass, by anybody(almost)... the defense was in our backfield....

I'm not saying we won't take Reggie Bush. But somewhere, someone has got to acknowledge that D'BrickShaw would be the most logical choice of the Houston Texans.

If we are looking from where we are at right now, then yes, I can see the consensus being Reggie Bush. But before Capers was fired, before Kubiak was hired, before FA........ I'm not buying it.......... looks like too much hype.

 

[el toro]

Sometimes you can worry about "needs" so much that you talk yourself out of taking an awesome player. Sure, if someone shows up with a motherlode offer for Bush (multiple picks in this draft and perhaps a couple high ones next year) you probably have to take it.

 

[jerek]

Sometimes you can worry about "needs" so much that you talk yourself out of taking an awesome player. Sure, if someone shows up with a motherlode offer for Bush (multiple picks in this draft and perhaps a couple high ones next year) you probably have to take it.

Lol, man ... don't say that and get the VY is awesome going again ... I know what you mean, but as you have left it, that is a weak argument.

 

[thunderkyss]

Sometimes you can worry about "needs" so much that you talk yourself out of taking an awesome player. Sure, if someone shows up with a motherlode offer for Bush (multiple picks in this draft and perhaps a couple high ones next year) you probably have to take it.

If this is in reply to me, I understand that completely. I'm just saying no one even mentioned our need.