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Texans sign Tyson Clabo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZourGM6KRo

4 minutes in is an especially brutal play.
Tannehill reminds me of David Carr. Not much in the way of pocket presence. I mean, some of those sacks he stepped up into. And even when they gave him 4+ secs to throw he's still holding the ball. I watched the vid twice - the second time to see how long he held the ball. Many times he had 3 secs to throw. Manning and Brady get the ball out of their hands in 2-1/2 to 2-3/4 secs.
There were times when they kept 7 in to block and he still got sacked. There were other times when the check down RB was all alone and he didn't see him.
No wonder he got sacked damn near 60 times.
 
I watched the second half of his season in Miami. While you can make the point that he was terrible in the first half of the season, after being benched he came back a very mediocre RT.

He was easily the best tackle available who fits what The Texans are looking for. He will compete and serve as a reasonable swing tackle. He'll be serviceable if called upon but he lacks the athleticism that Newton has.

It's a very acceptable insurance piece, I think. I will be very curious to see how well Newton does in a new system. If he hasn't improved I think it's safe to say that Cabo will be an upgrade over a struggling Newton from 2013.
 
I watched the second half of his season in Miami. While you can make the point that he was terrible in the first half of the season, after being benched he came back a very mediocre RT.

He was easily the best tackle available who fits what The Texans are looking for. He will compete and serve as a reasonable swing tackle. He'll be serviceable if called upon but he lacks the athleticism that Newton has.

It's a very acceptable insurance piece, I think. I will be very curious to see how well Newton does in a new system. If he hasn't improved I think it's safe to say that Cabo will be an upgrade over a struggling Newton from 2013.

I like Clabo, but probably not likely to fit swing tackle. Playoffs pointed out to me that he has never played LT. And although I found that he played LT for a small program in college (Wake Forest) as a sophomore, I would not tend to trust that to ever translate to the NFL now.
 
band-aid

Texans could have addressed this in a big way with OT Greg Robinson. Then Kyle Van Noy OLB. Sticking with CJ in 3rd & Savage in 4th however.
You wanted Robinson instead of JD, huh ? I hear the Rams are playing him at guard instead of tackle and that he's been "struggling" some in St Louis.
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http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2014/7/15/5876355/greg-robinson-struggling-guard-rams-offensive-line
"It sounds like Robinson is at the pace that's expected of him. Of course, he's going to struggle early, and it will be interesting to watch how he develops during training camp and the preseason, including his switch from tackle to guard. The Rams figure to run a lot next season. Their running backs should have more holes up the middle since Robinson is a plus run blocker. Pass blocking and watching his footwork will be his biggest challenges this season."
 
You wanted Robinson instead of JD, huh ? I hear the Rams are playing him at guard instead of tackle and that he's been "struggling" some in St Louis.
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http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2014/7/15/5876355/greg-robinson-struggling-guard-rams-offensive-line
"It sounds like Robinson is at the pace that's expected of him. Of course, he's going to struggle early, and it will be interesting to watch how he develops during training camp and the preseason, including his switch from tackle to guard. The Rams figure to run a lot next season. Their running backs should have more holes up the middle since Robinson is a plus run blocker. Pass blocking and watching his footwork will be his biggest challenges this season."
I know you were talking to BL, but I was a Robinson advocate myself. My "plan" was to start Robinson at RT or RG and, hopefully, he would grow into the LT spot as DB started to age or demanded an ungodly second big contract. We'd be talking 3-4 yrs for all that to unfold. Plenty of time to adjust the plan as necessary; including cutting his butt if he didn't pan out.

And speaking of panning out, we have yet to see what level of player Clowney (or any other 2014 draftee) "blossoms" into.
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I know you were talking to BL, but I was a Robinson advocate myself. My "plan" was to start Robinson at RT or RG and, hopefully, he would grow into the LT spot as DB started to age or demanded an ungodly second big contract. We'd be talking 3-4 yrs for all that to unfold. Plenty of time to adjust the plan as necessary; including cutting his butt if he didn't pan out.

And speaking of panning out, we have yet to see what level of player Clowney (or any other 2014 draftee) "blossoms" into.
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Sir Obsi,

If Brown is going to see his third contract, it's not going to be for very much.
He would've been in the league for 11 years by then.

In fact, he may not even see the last two years of his contract (which calls for nearly 10MM per.)

He might be a cap casualty even before then.
It wouldn't surprise me at all. :cool:
 
Sir Obsi,

If Brown is going to see his third contract, it's not going to be for very much.
He would've been in the league for 11 years by then.

In fact, he may not even see the last two years of his contract (which calls for nearly 10MM per.)

He might be a cap casualty even before then.
It wouldn't surprise me at all. :cool:
All the more reason to draft and groom his replacement, right? But having said that, I'm sure there will be opportunities to snag that guy in the 2015 or '16 drafts...
no sarcasm intended, by the way. That's why I didn't go bananas when they drafted Clowney instead of Robinson. It's just that with no bonafide, "franchise QBs" in this draft, why not draft a quality O-lineman...?
 
Sir Obsi,

If Brown is going to see his third contract, it's not going to be for very much.
He would've been in the league for 11 years by then.

In fact, he may not even see the last two years of his contract (which calls for nearly 10MM per.)

He might be a cap casualty even before then.
It wouldn't surprise me at all. :cool:
Why would the Texans not try to keep Brown? If his demands are out of whack, then yeah. Let's deal with that when it comes.
 
All the more reason to draft and groom his replacement, right? But having said that, I'm sure there will be opportunities to snag that guy in the 2015 or '16 drafts...
no sarcasm intended, by the way. That's why I didn't go bananas when they drafted Clowney instead of Robinson. It's just that with no bonafide, "franchise QBs" in this draft, why not draft a quality O-lineman...?

They thought they had something with Quessenberry... That is likely the reason why they drafted Su'a-Filo with #33 instead of addressing OT on day two. Unfortunate for Quess... and the Texans.
 
They thought they had something with Quessenberry... That is likely the reason why they drafted Su'a-Filo with #33 instead of addressing OT on day two. Unfortunate for Quess... and the Texans.
Yeah the Quess situation turned out bad for him and the team.

...speaking of him, I hope his treatment is going well
 
Why would the Texans not try to keep Brown? If his demands are out of whack, then yeah. Let's deal with that when it comes.

7th highest paid OT in the league.
One injury could affect his play enough that the Texans can't afford that salary of nearly $10MM a year.

If Brown continues to play well; sure, they will keep him.
 
All the more reason to draft and groom his replacement, right? But having said that, I'm sure there will be opportunities to snag that guy in the 2015 or '16 drafts...
no sarcasm intended, by the way. That's why I didn't go bananas when they drafted Clowney instead of Robinson. It's just that with no bonafide, "franchise QBs" in this draft, why not draft a quality O-lineman...?

Like you said; it's "a bit too early" to find a replacement for him.
Not that I would mind, but Jr is too good of a prospect to pass up... If he can stay healthy, that is.
 
7th highest paid OT in the league.
One injury could affect his play enough that the Texans can't afford that salary of nearly $10MM a year.

If Brown continues to play well; sure, they will keep him.

That's why they will likely tear up his current deal and extend him with a new one if they plan to have him around into his 30s. Just like this contract, the salary will be back-loaded, so they won't deal with a $10 million cap hit until it would be time to extend him again or cut him loose.
 
7th highest paid OT in the league.
One injury could affect his play enough that the Texans can't afford that salary of nearly $10MM a year.

If Brown continues to play well; sure, they will keep him.

7th means he is already not over paid and as time goes by a new contracts hit he will slide further down the chart. LTs in their prime at his price are not cap casualties barring a performance drop.
 
7th means he is already not over paid and as time goes by a new contracts hit he will slide further down the chart. LTs in their prime at his price are not cap casualties barring a performance drop.

In his 10th and 11th years in the league, Duane isn't going to be in his prime, Icak.

Even in his 9th year (2016), don't you that it's the average beginning of the tail end of a LT's prime year?
Like I said, an injury can heavily impact a LT's play.
If Brown can stay healthy, he will be worth the money.

The Pats drafted Nate Solder in the first round in 2011, with Vollmer as a second rounder a few years earlier.
They were still willing to shell out $7M in guaranteed money to Matt Light (in his 11th year.)
He never saw the second year of that final contract even though he was healthy and was playing well.

He was a true warrior, but come on, when a team draft an OT in the first and another in the 2nd, the writing is on the wall.

Matt Light may have retired in 2012, but it was more for PR, IMO).

And he was playing well in 2011.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=7903017&city=boston&src=desktop

If Brown stays the warrior; sure, his $9.5 M salary will be worth it in 2016.
What I was saying is that a non-major injury could render him "non-elite".
With dead money at just $2.5M while having$7M available to pay, it's quite feasible to find a free agent that can play better than Brown at 80-90% of his game.

That is just one scenario that I think Brown can be a cap casualty in 2016.
Another is that OB can't deliver early and the Texans have to go back to square one.
Why would a team wants to pay a LT premier money in rebuilding mode; he's not going to be all that on the next stretch run.
Wasted money, IMO.

I can come up with at least one more possible scenario, but basically, it will also be speculation.
But I think I have speculated enough for a few months already. :)

Just passing the time, ya know.
 
The Pats drafted Nate Solder in the first round in 2011, with Vollmer as a second rounder a few years earlier.
They were still willing to shell out $7M in guaranteed money to Matt Light (in his 11th year.)
He never saw the second year of that final contract even though he was healthy and was playing well.

He was a true warrior, but come on, when a team draft an OT in the first and another in the 2nd, the writing is on the wall.

Matt Light may have retired in 2012, but it was more for PR, IMO).

And he was playing well in 2011.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=7903017&city=boston&src=desktop
Did you read the article you linked? Light wasn't healthy. He was battling Crohn's disease his entire career. The Pats drafted OTs because they knew Light had Crohn's and would retire earlier than his performance would suggest. Are you saying Brown may have a unknown disease that could prematurely end his career? How does this example correlate to the Texans and Brown in any way?
 
Did you read the article you linked? Light wasn't healthy. He was battling Crohn's disease his entire career. The Pats drafted OTs because they knew Light had Crohn's and would retire earlier than his performance would suggest. Are you saying Brown may have a unknown disease that could prematurely end his career? How does this example correlate to the Texans and Brown in any way?

Read the second paragraph below the pix.
He made just 2 mental errors in 2011, according to BB.
The Pats went 13-3 and made the Super Bowl that year.

Light battled his illness since 2004.
He missed 13 games in 2005 only to come back and made the Pro - Bowl the next year, and was All - pro the following year.
He made the Pro Bowl again in 2010.

Can't you see that he was playing very well even toward the end of his career?
 
The relevancy?
Light earned his last $7M.

If Brown is going to earn his salary of nearly $10M in each of the last 3 years of his contract, he will have to play well.

If he doesn't, for any reason at all, my thinking is that I can see him being a cap casualty.
Does that make sense?
 
The relevancy?
If he doesn't, for any reason at all, my thinking is that I can see him being a cap casualty.
Does that make sense?

Light wasnt a cap casulty. Yes, if Brown plays below his contract he could be cut one day. That has zero to do with Light's story. You said "the writing was on the wall" when the Pats drafted the 2 OTs. That had nothing to do with Light's play or contract. It doesnt relate to the hypothetical of Brown being a cap casulty in any way, unless you think he's also battling an illness.
 
Contract details per @RavensInsider:

Tyson Clabo deal two years, $2.4 million, $200K signing bonus salaries $900K a year, $5K per-game active roster bonus '14, $20K per game '15

My math says 2014 cap hit of $1.18m with $200k dead; and 2015 cap hit of $1.22m with zero dead.
 
sounds like Texans band-aid needs replaced w/industrial grade gauze tape. It doesn't do any good to lament Texans offensive line woes since Gibbs left but why, just why didn't Rick go in a different direction & bring back a proven veteran like former Texan Eric Winston? Good player, not great but even better person/teammate plus dependable for cheap :vincepalm:
 
sounds like Texans band-aid needs replaced w/industrial grade gauze tape. It doesn't do any good to lament Texans offensive line woes since Gibbs left but why, just why didn't Rick go in a different direction & bring back a proven veteran like former Texan Eric Winston? Good player, not great but even better person/teammate plus dependable 4 cheap :vincepalm:
 
But apparently, he's having problems so far.

Yea seen that, but it's early.

sounds like Texans band-aid needs replaced w/industrial grade gauze tape. It doesn't do any good to lament Texans offensive line woes since Gibbs left but why, just why didn't Rick go in a different direction & bring back a proven veteran like former Texan Eric Winston? Good player, not great but even better person/teammate plus dependable for cheap :vincepalm:

Clabo having suffered some sort of ankle injury early in Monday's practice may account for his poor show, not to mention that he has not had the benefit of the playbook and/or experience in this new system, having not been with the team during OTAs.
 
sounds like Texans band-aid needs replaced w/industrial grade gauze tape. It doesn't do any good to lament Texans offensive line woes since Gibbs left but why, just why didn't Rick go in a different direction & bring back a proven veteran like former Texan Eric Winston? Good player, not great but even better person/teammate plus dependable 4 cheap :vincepalm:

Yeah, a cheap 3-5 false starts per game and getting beat around the edge. I'm with Rick on this one.
 
Yeah, a cheap 3-5 false starts per game and getting beat around the edge. I'm with Rick on this one.

My thinking would have been more like start Winston RG & kick Brooks to RT. He has good feet, agility & power to make a fine RT which is what I thought was in future when Texans drafted him. Makes no difference now anyway, guess he is good enough in back up role for defending Super Bowl Champion Seahawks, lol
 
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