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Texans sign Kevin Walter to Offer Sheet

Runner said:
I'm starting to think our new coaches found them interchangeable and "do withoutable".
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I think Armstrong stays. They tendered him, albeit a minimum - but he's cheaper to keep than Gaffney - and they have refusal rights on him.
 
aj. said:
I think Armstrong stays. They tendered him, albeit a minimum - but he's cheaper to keep than Gaffney - and they have refusal rights on him.
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I knew that but I forgot. I like to look clueless every now and then.

I always liked Armstrong as a possession receiver and wish we would have used him as such. Since we didn't use a TE to move the chains, I thought he could have filled that role from the slot. He is good at catching the ball in traffic.
 
Bengals | Team may match Walter's offer sheet
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:39:46 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports those close to the Cincinnati Bengals believe they may match the offer sheet the Houston Texans signed Bengals WR Kevin Walter to for two reasons: head coach Marvin Lewis likes the way Walter improved last season and WR Chris Henry's off-the-field problems means Walter has become more valuable to them.
 
Gaff goes, we might need him. Seems a LITTLE high for a 3 or 4th reciever though. How good is he really? If they match, I guess that's an answer.
 
swtbound07 said:
what good will a 7th round reciever do?
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just saying... giving up a 7th rounder to the Bengals to get a reciever who has experience wouldn't be a bad deal... your question is a good one, but not what i was implying
 
bATXle red said:
just saying... giving up a 7th rounder to the Bengals to get a reciever who has experience wouldn't be a bad deal... your question is a good one, but not what i was implying
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I took the question a different way. I thought you were saying if we didnt get him we could just draft a guy in the 7th round and be okay..and i was like....the odds of that are slim
 
travfrancis said:
if they sign Walter you would have to think they view him as a #2 wr, we have plenty of slot wrs
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I don't think Walter is any upgrade over Gaffney, or even over Bradford. To me this signing does nothing except build a race right now for the #2 slot between Mathis, Walter, and Armstrong (unless Gaffney comes back). Hopefully, though, this will end up being a battle for the #3 WR and we will pick up a #2.
 
TexanFan881 said:
I don't think Walter is any upgrade over Gaffney, or even over Bradford. To me this signing does nothing except build a race right now for the #2 slot between Mathis, Walter, and Armstrong (unless Gaffney comes back). Hopefully, though, this will end up being a battle for the #3 WR and we will pick up a #2.
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If you look at Kevin's career college through today, he is a player that has done nothing but improve at every level and I believe he will be your #2 WR if the Texans get him. This guys has awesome hands and was a STEAL in the seventh round. The Giants new that, but they also had 9 wrs fisghting for 4 spots and among those, Ike, Toomer, Carter, leaving 1 position for 6 guys to fight. The Giants had to release him, The Bengals knew his potential and immediately signed him.

As far as talent, he has definelty lined up across a better defense than the Texans in the Bengals and learned from top WRs Probowl WR in Chad Johnson and TJ is not bad either I reckon. Not bad getting the playing time he did behind the #1 WR in the NFL!!!

Kevin did anything and everything a coach or teammate wants from another, fit in where ever needed to help the team WIN! He continuously did that no matter what team he has been on.

As for David Carr, I think he can be as good as Carson Palmer if you get linemen to give him an extra second and WRs that run tight patterns.

Did I mention Kevin LOVES to block and does it well. An attribute not found in many WRs today.

Take him, if you get him, welocome him and he will reward you!!
 
Walter, believed to be the first Bengals' RFA to be signed to an offer sheet since the Patriots offered center Rich Braham in 1997 and the Jaguars offered kicker Shayne Graham in 2004 , has been one of the club's leading special teams players since it picked him off waivers before the 2003 season. He caught 19 of his 30 balls this past season and had big roles during the wins in Cleveland and Tennessee. The Bengals have a week to decide if they'll match and , if they don't, they'll get a seventh-rounder as compensation.
 
Bearfan Blue and Orange said:
If you look at Kevin's career college through today, he is a player that has done nothing but improve at every level and I believe he will be your #2 WR if the Texans get him. This guys has awesome hands and was a STEAL in the seventh round. The Giants new that, but they also had 9 wrs fisghting for 4 spots and among those, Ike, Toomer, Carter, leaving 1 position for 6 guys to fight. The Giants had to release him, The Bengals knew his potential and immediately signed him.

As far as talent, he has definelty lined up across a better defense than the Texans in the Bengals and learned from top WRs Probowl WR in Chad Johnson and TJ is not bad either I reckon. Not bad getting the playing time he did behind the #1 WR in the NFL!!!

Kevin did anything and everything a coach or teammate wants from another, fit in where ever needed to help the team WIN! He continuously did that no matter what team he has been on.

As for David Carr, I think he can be as good as Carson Palmer if you get linemen to give him an extra second and WRs that run tight patterns.

Did I mention Kevin LOVES to block and does it well. An attribute not found in many WRs today.

Take him, if you get him, welocome him and he will reward you!!
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Isn't that generally how every player makes it into the league in the first place? I don't see how bringing in the Bengals #4/5 WR helps our team other than adding some depth at WR, but I don't see them letting Gaffney go and then bringing this guy in with the intention of having him be our #2 WR, that makes no sense and seems like a serious downgrade. If we do bring in Walter and Gaffney leaves, I definitely think they'll look for a better #2 WR out there either in free agency or the draft.
 
Kevin Walter update:

Bengals | More on Walter's offer sheet
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:44:13 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports Cincinnati Bengals restricted free agent WR Kevin Walter signed a four-year, $6.4 million offer sheet with the Houston Texans.
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MorKnolle said:
Isn't that generally how every player makes it into the league in the first place? I don't see how bringing in the Bengals #4/5 WR helps our team other than adding some depth at WR, but I don't see them letting Gaffney go and then bringing this guy in with the intention of having him be our #2 WR, that makes no sense and seems like a serious downgrade. If we do bring in Walter and Gaffney leaves, I definitely think they'll look for a better #2 WR out there either in free agency or the draft.
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Remember when Joe Horn was the #3 reciever in KC?? Surely there are a dozen #2s out there that are playing in the #4/5 spot.
 
Bengals | More on Walter's offer sheet
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:44:13 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports Cincinnati Bengals restricted free agent WR Kevin Walter signed a four-year, $6.4 million offer sheet with the Houston Texans.


per kffl.com

Mods, if this doesn't mean that he officially signed with us, feel free to change the topic. If he did sign, please remove the Q mark

That's 3rd stringer #3! Woohoo!
 
It means the Texans have offered him a contract for that amount and the Bengals have a week to match it.

It would be a good signing at that price.
 
I don't even understand why we're going after him in the first place? Last year he had 19 catches for 200 yards and 1 TD. We have a lot of receivers who could easily put up those numbers. This guy has #3 or #4 receiver written all over him, right? So if for some odd reason we have Mathis or Gaffney penciled in as our #2, why not just resign Armstrong or Starling or some other, most likely cheaper and equally good #4 receiver?
 
First off you have to look at Cincy's WR's #1 Chad Johnson,#2 T.J. Houshmandzadeh,both are 6 yr. Vets so a lock at #1 & 2.Also Cincy wants him back so it is not a done deal they have 1 week to match our tender of 4 yrs. $6.4 Mil.
 
Maybe Kubiak sees a young Ed McCaffrey in Walter. Who knows, but from what I read, Marv Lewis and Bengals fans really like him as a rising talent.

Gaffney is an unrestricted free agent and is not on any team right now.

Armstrong has been tendered so he will probably be retained. Right now it looks like he's the Gaffney replacement unit.
 
TexanSam said:
You can't blame Carr for all of it, but you can't blame it all on Gaffney either. I'm not sure how Carr was supposed to throw to Gaffney when our whole offense revolved around a 2 step drop and throw a screen pass. On paper, Gaffney had his best season last year with 55 receptions. I think that that will go up to about 65 this year with a decent offensive line that gives Carr time to pass and coach that actually knows a thing or two about offense. I still don't think anyone on our roster (aside from AJ) is good enough to be a #2 WR. We need a free agent pickup (not Kevin Walter) who will take more pressure off of AJ.
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Well the other WR David Givens said he was not impressed with our offer of 5 yrs. $18.5 Mil. he is wanting 5 years / #25 Mil.I think you have to look at it as the Texans are trying to get more bang for the Buck.If we didn't have so many holes to fill we could probably sign a Givens to that kind of money.I think with Walter you are getting a player that when out there gives everything on every play,and is a Jurovicious type reciever.
 
The wiriting on the wall is becomng quite clear in my opinion that Bush is the choice for RB/WR. AJ #1, Walter #3a, Armstrong #3b and Mathis at #4.

I would not at all be surprised if we reach for McNeal in the 4th-5th round now for WR/QB. I smell hybrids having plays drawn for them in the playbook.
 
Prospect Profiles


Kevin Walter
Position: Wide Receiver
College: Eastern Michigan
Height: 6-3
Weight: 221
Hometown: Libertyville, Ill.

Career Notes | Agility | High School | Personal | Stats

ANALYSIS
Positives: Tireless worker with a fearless attitude … Adjusts smoothly to the off-target throws … Has the burst needed to gain separation after the catch … Does not shy away from the crowd, using his hands well to force his way through traffic … Plants and drives sharply on deep routes … Excels at coming across the middle for hitch and screen passes, gaining a good portion of his yardage after the catch thanks to his array of spin moves and fluid hip swerve … Can create space underneath and knows how to drive towards the sidelines in clock management … Flashes to the ball with his hands properly extended and never hesitates going over the middle for the ball … Shows the athletic ability and toughness to adjust to the ball and take it away from the defender … Also excels as a gunner on special teams.
Negatives: Lacks second-level speed to accelerate deep (not a fast-twitch runner) … Slow to engage defenders blocking for the running game … More of a straight-line runner with adequate hip roll … More of a shield blocker in pass protection who struggles to stay with his man … While he can elude after the catch, he will generally go down from the initial hit.

CAREER NOTES
Three-year starter who is regarded as the premier receiver in the Mid-American Conference … Uses his size to his advantage when combating defenders for the ball in traffic … Started 33 of 44 games for EMU, shattering the school's career records with 211 receptions for 2,838 yards (13.5 avg) and 20 touchdowns, topping the previous marks of 135 catches by Savon Edwards (1994-97), 2,043 yards by Jermaine Sheffield (1997-99) and 14 scores by both Steve Clay (1992-95) and Sheffield … Has made at least one catch in his last 34 games.
source www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/walterkevin
 
I'll take him if he comes as advertised for the amoutn we paid under a 102 million cap:

Positives: Tireless worker with a fearless attitude … Adjusts smoothly to the off-target throws … Has the burst needed to gain separation after the catch … Does not shy away from the crowd, using his hands well to force his way through traffic … Plants and drives sharply on deep routes … Excels at coming across the middle for hitch and screen passes, gaining a good portion of his yardage after the catch thanks to his array of spin moves and fluid hip swerve … Can create space underneath and knows how to drive towards the sidelines in clock management … Flashes to the ball with his hands properly extended and never hesitates going over the middle for the ball … Shows the athletic ability and toughness to adjust to the ball and take it away from the defender … Also excels as a gunner on special teams.
 
I still am not too high on him, I don't think he could beat out Mathis or Armstrong to be our #2. I guess I'll have to wait to see him though :thumbup
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I'll take him if he comes as advertised for the amoutn we paid under a 102 million cap:

Positives: Tireless worker with a fearless attitude … Adjusts smoothly to the off-target throws … Has the burst needed to gain separation after the catch … Does not shy away from the crowd, using his hands well to force his way through traffic … Plants and drives sharply on deep routes … Excels at coming across the middle for hitch and screen passes, gaining a good portion of his yardage after the catch thanks to his array of spin moves and fluid hip swerve … Can create space underneath and knows how to drive towards the sidelines in clock management … Flashes to the ball with his hands properly extended and never hesitates going over the middle for the ball … Shows the athletic ability and toughness to adjust to the ball and take it away from the defender … Also excels as a gunner on special teams.
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Sorry KT, but I didn't like these 3 points from the negatives:

Negatives: Slow to engage defenders blocking for the running game … More of a shield blocker in pass protection who struggles to stay with his man … While he can elude after the catch, he will generally go down from the initial hit.
 
Texans34Life said:
Sorry KT, but I didn't like these 3 points from the negatives:

Negatives: Slow to engage defenders blocking for the running game … More of a shield blocker in pass protection who struggles to stay with his man … While he can elude after the catch, he will generally go down from the initial hit.
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On these three negatives I do not like them, but I will trust that the new blocking scheme (Kubiak twist on the ZB) can shield these deficincies or per the tape the staff feels like they can teach technique that fits this player.
 
I read on the Bengal's MB that he dropped 11 out of 30 balls thrown to him last season, don't know if it's true or not, so take it for what it's worth...
 
According to stats.com he had 29 targets, 19 receptions, 1 drop, and a 48% first down rate -- fwiw.
 
texan279 said:
I read on the Bengal's MB that he dropped 11 out of 30 balls thrown to him last season, don't know if it's true or not, so take it for what it's worth...
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He didn't drop 11 balls. He had 30 thrown to him, and caught 19. He dropped one. The others didn't count as drops. It seems the Bengals board has about as much insight on WR's and this board does about the offensive line.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
On these three negatives I do not like them, but I will trust that the new blocking scheme (Kubiak twist on the ZB) can shield these deficincies or per the tape the staff feels like they can teach technique that fits this player.
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They always have to write something for a player to work on. These were the comments before he was drafted and before he had his proday at Northwestern. I watched most of his games this year and last year. He made several Key blocks on players downfield to open extra yards for Rudi Johnson and TJ running down the sidline amongst others in special teams.

A player that loves the game and has determination to be a #1 WR someday has to take all the opportunities he can and be the best he can at it. When that time comes in a game and your number is called, that is when it all counts and what you do with it at that time, your time to shine. He did just that anytime his number was called.

He will be your #2 and with AJ on one side, Kevin on the other, and a slot, big TE.... OH YEAH OFFENSE!!!

You will have a fun year
 
Bearfan Blue and Orange said:
They always have to write something for a player to work on. These were the comments before he was drafted and before he had his proday at Northwestern. I watched most of his games this year and last year. He made several Key blocks on players downfield to open extra yards for Rudi Johnson and TJ running down the sidline amongst others in special teams.

A player that loves the game and has determination to be a #1 WR someday has to take all the opportunities he can and be the best he can at it. When that time comes in a game and your number is called, that is when it all counts and what you do with it at that time, your time to shine. He did just that anytime his number was called.

He will be your #2 and with AJ on one side, Kevin on the other, and a slot, big TE.... OH YEAH OFFENSE!!!

You will have a fun year
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I need a post check on page 4 for post #79. Was the outed quote pro Walter or anti Walter?
 
TexansTrueFan said:
i like what this staff has done so far with free agency, better than the capers era did.
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That name must not be mentioned here unless we play the Dolphins. From now on, his name is He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named or You-Know-Who. He caused much pain.
 
mexican_texan said:
That name must not be mentioned here unless we play the Dolphins. From now on, his name is He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named or You-Know-Who. He caused much pain.
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aww if u forget about history its likely to repeat itself, better not to forget !
 
I wouldnt be completely against this, but I believe that RB is going to be an amazing #2 as well as an every other series tail back! Imagine the possibilities with AJ#1 RB#2 Carr J.Putz J.mathis#3
J.Cook FB
D.Davis RB
I cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Smokin your idea is cool, but wouldnt RB more than likely be the back in a three reciever set. That way it keeps the safeties and LBs honest because the dumpoff or shallow curl could turn into a touchdown. I would think Mathis is our number 2 and RB will lineup in the slot often.
 
Walter signed a four-year contract in Houston that calls for $2.5 million of the $6.4 million to be guaranteed, according to a league source. The Texans no doubt feel the guaranteed money is the poison pill and is going to deter the Bengals from matching the offer by next Monday. He gets $2 million up front and $250,000 each in the last two years of the deal. Not bad for a guy with 30 career catches in three seasons.

But the salary cap hit for 2006 is reportedly just $1 million, only about $300,000 more than what they budgeted for Walter, and that could be workable for the Bengals. It’s believed their hit on safety Dexter Jackson was only about $2 million. Since it’s believed they can get Martin at a reasonable rate, Jackson, Walter and Martin could all fit at numbers the Bengals want.

What they decide to do on Walter could also be an indication of what they think No. 3 receiver Chris Henry’s availability will be as he faces jail time and a league suspension stemming from gun charges.

“If there wasn’t a situation with Chris Henry, this would be a no-brainer; they wouldn’t match,” said Cliff Brady, Walter’s agent. “I’m sure there is a little bit of buzz around the Bengals about what to do with this one.”

With the Texans paying Walter No. 3 receiver money and the No. 2 position wide open, the question has to be how the Bengals are going to use him if Henry isn’t available. Walter is one of the team's best special teams players, but if the Bengals project Tab Perry ahead of Walter on the depth chart at No. 3, then Brady doesn’t see a match for what would be a No. 4 receiver.

“Kevin just wants an opportunity to go catch some balls,” Brady said. “He loves it in Cincinnati, but they’ve got a lot of receivers.”
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
wouldn't you if carr was the qb
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thank you. i would've been lost following this thread if it wasn't for that insightful, well-thought comment. someday i hope to have as much football knowledge as you
 
I posted a question about Walter on the Bengal's MB and got this response...

Walter was actually quite reliable last year and I at least was impressed by him. He was the 4th WR, but he did get some work as #3 mainly when T.J. was injured. He definitely seemed like money to me on short to medium passes on third downs. He lead the team in receiving in the playoff game (though Jon Kitna definitely failed to get the ball to Chad and T.J. as much as he should have). I think he'll be a good reliable target for you guys, but I wouldn't expect him to crack the #2 spot.

My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that we won't match the offer. Walter, though he was a pleasant surprise as I said above, is replaceable-- I get the impression that the Bengals staff agrees with me in that Tab Perry is ready for an increased role, and we'll keep The Squirrel (see below), which still gives us two workable #3 and #4 guys... and if Henry won't be coming back, we can target a WR in the draft (or a TE...). We should be using this money to keep upgrading the defense.

As for Kelley Washington, I think he will remain a Bengal. A team has to give up a 3rd round draft choice to get him, which is a lot more valuable than the 7th rounder the Texans will be giving us for Walter.
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Bengals | Team not likely to match offer sheet
Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:33:29 -0800

Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports the Cincinnati Bengals are not likely to match the offer sheet given to WR Kevin Walter by the Houston Texans. The Bengals have to make a decision this weekend.
 
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