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Texans sign Kevin Walter to Offer Sheet

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Texans | Team may be interested in K. Walter
Sat, 4 Mar 2006 06:18:02 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports the Houston Texans are reportedly interested in signing Cincinnati Bengals restricted free agent WR Kevin Walter to an offer sheet. Walter's compensation to the Bengals is a seventh-round draft choice, if they don't match the offer sheet.

http://www.bengals.com/team/player.asp?player_id=30
 
Hmm...I've never heard of him. Not very impressive stats though in his 3 years. What makes him better than Armstrong or Gaffney?
 
I picked up Kevin Walter for a few weeks on my Dynasty team last year, so he has some potential. He beat out Kelly Washington but doesn't have the talent of Chris Henry who played most of the slot snaps. Good size...Possession wr - Joe Jurevicius type. Henry has legal problems and I don't think they want Washington back...so they may match the offer sheet.
 
that still doesnt answer the ? of what makes him better than any receiver we already have on the team (armstrong and gaff)... Why is it we ALWAYS go after some no name person...can we for once make a big splash in FA...just once to help this team I would like to see them spend some money on a GOOD FA to help this team out (Bentley/Hutchinson or any other big name FA that could FILL A NEED for that matter)
 
sprtsfanatic said:
that still doesnt answer the ? of what makes him better than any receiver we already have on the team (armstrong and gaff)... Why is it we ALWAYS go after some no name person...can we for once make a big splash in FA...just once to help this team I would like to see them spend some money on a GOOD FA to help this team out (Bentley/Hutchinson or any other big name FA that could FILL A NEED for that matter)
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Here is a short answer...we will pursue a FA WR because we need one. Gaffney is a RFA, and Armstrong is doesn't run great routes and hasn't proven jack. You guys dreaming of Bentley and Hutchinson are........dreaming. The worst team in football rarely lands the best FA's on the market. Those guys tend to want to go to winners. That's the reason our FA's tend to be guys like McKinney, Stacey Mack, James Allen and Todd Wade. I'll also throw in that agents watch film too. I'd bet nobody wants to come here to not get passes from Carr. Gaffney gets no looks at WR2 but catches 9 passes when AJ is out. He gets better seperation from better CB's? I don't think so.
 
Vinny said:
Here is a short answer...we will pursue a FA WR because we need one. Gaffney is a RFA, and Armstrong is doesn't run great routes and hasn't proven jack. You guys dreaming of Bentley and Hutchinson are........dreaming. The worst team in football rarely lands the best FA's on the market. Those guys tend to want to go to winners. That's the reason our FA's tend to be guys like McKinney, Stacey Mack and Wade. I'll also throw in that agents watch film too. I'd bet nobody wants to come here to not get passes from Carr. Gaffney gets no looks at WR2 but catches 9 passes when AJ is out. He gets better seperation from better CB's? I don't think so.
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ouch :ouch:
 
I see your point but the NFL is a business and with it money talks and bull**** walks...and we seem to walk away from EVERY GOOD FA that could help turn this organization around.
 
Yeah, who is this guy. Now if it was their 3rd receiver, I believe Henry is his last name, that would be a nice pick up.

Okay so I know now. Sorry. I didn't see yalls post till mine was posted.
 
El Tejano said:
Yeah, who is this guy. Now if it was their 3rd receiver, I believe Henry is his last name, that would be a nice pick up.
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Henry is a total moron and has the mentality of a 5 year old....you don't want him el.
 
Well I don't know too much outside of seeing him play. What I saw from his play was worth wanting but we don't need punks on this team. We've done fairly well in not getting those type of players.
 
El Tejano said:
Well I don't know too much outside of seeing him play. What I saw from his play was worth wanting but we don't need punks on this team. We've done fairly well in not getting those type of players.
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Here is a sampling of his brilliance...
According to a copy of the police report obtained by SportsTicker, Henry was stopped by a police officer who noticed an altercation brewing between two groups. The officer saw Henry reach into his wasteband and pull out a firearm, at which point he commanded the 22-year-old to put down the gun. Henry turned towards the policeman and froze before tossing the gun into a nearby limousine.
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http://www.allsports.com/cgi-bin/showstory.cgi?story_id=57707
 
Here is a short answer...we will pursue a FA WR because we need one. Gaffney is a RFA, and Armstrong is doesn't run great routes and hasn't proven jack. You guys dreaming of Bentley and Hutchinson are........dreaming. The worst team in football rarely lands the best FA's on the market. Those guys tend to want to go to winners. That's the reason our FA's tend to be guys like McKinney, Stacey Mack, James Allen and Todd Wade. I'll also throw in that agents watch film too. I'd bet nobody wants to come here to not get passes from Carr. Gaffney gets no looks at WR2 but catches 9 passes when AJ is out. He gets better seperation from better CB's? I don't think so.
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If Capers were still the coach I could see that, but Kubiak has a reputation as a good offensive coach, so I would think it would easier to attract offensive guys. Also, while we may be a losing team we are also a young franchise that hasn't developed a reputation one way or another. Let's remember that we were trending up until last year. If this were Arizona or Detroit I could understand the reluctance on the part of free agents.

We should remember that we also have one of the better practice facilities and no state income tax, so there is plenty to attract guys. I think this has more to do with Casserly playing it safe until we find out what happens with the CBA. I suspect we should sign some starter quality guys if that cap jumps with a CBA.
 
Vinny said:
Henry is a total moron and has the mentality of a 5 year old....you don't want him el.
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Hey, I wonder what he got on the wonderlic? :deadhorse & :sarcasm:

But seriously, we don't want either of those guys on our team. Maybe we can pickup a middle to late rounder (like a Jeremy Bloom) if we can find a decent FA.
What about Jurvecious, did he re-sign with Seattle? I thought he was going to be a FA.
 
barzilla said:
If Capers were still the coach I could see that, but Kubiak has a reputation as a good offensive coach, so I would think it would easier to attract offensive guys. Also, while we may be a losing team we are also a young franchise that hasn't developed a reputation one way or another. Let's remember that we were trending up until last year. If this were Arizona or Detroit I could understand the reluctance on the part of free agents.

We should remember that we also have one of the better practice facilities and no state income tax, so there is plenty to attract guys. I think this has more to do with Casserly playing it safe until we find out what happens with the CBA. I suspect we should sign some starter quality guys if that cap jumps with a CBA.
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Carr has 60 NFL starts...more than Bulger, Pennington, Brees, and Leftwich. He has a ton of film on him. Carr isn't going to catch a break until he produces. I don't think anyone will just assume his field awareness improves just because he has a new coach. I don't think we will be able to attract a top WR FA due to Carr not being able to find anyone but his WR1 or his dump pass....I hope Im wrong.
 
Vinny said:
Here is a short answer...we will pursue a FA WR because we need one. Gaffney is a RFA, and Armstrong is doesn't run great routes and hasn't proven jack. You guys dreaming of Bentley and Hutchinson are........dreaming. The worst team in football rarely lands the best FA's on the market. Those guys tend to want to go to winners. That's the reason our FA's tend to be guys like McKinney, Stacey Mack, James Allen and Todd Wade. I'll also throw in that agents watch film too. I'd bet nobody wants to come here to not get passes from Carr. Gaffney gets no looks at WR2 but catches 9 passes when AJ is out. He gets better seperation from better CB's? I don't think so.
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I'm thinking (and I apologize if I am off-topic on this one), how will the prospect of no salary cap next year influence the FA's choice of teams? Logically you would think that they would want to take care of the monetary aspects of their careers first, meaning selling their services to the highest bidder, that being the big spenders among teams.
The way I see it, the salary cap might actually make it possible for these hot FA's to pick and choose among teams, whereas a no-cap scenario could possibly result in.. US (as in the Texans) getting some hot ones :)

Am I completely off on this one?
For the record, I REALLY want the cap in place in the future, regardless of whether or not we as a team will benefit from the no-cap.
 
Gaffney gets alot of looks. You may not see it from the TV angles but he often gives up on his routes.
 
Tayton said:
Gaffney gets alot of looks. You may not see it from the TV angles but he often gives up on his routes.
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The only time Gaff gets looks is when he is the first read otherwise it's AJ then dump down to Davis. Check out the Seattle game, he was the first read and had 10 catches for 81 yards. If he gets looks, he is productive. Problem is Carr won't look his way.
 
Fiddy said:
The only time Gaff gets looks is when he is the first read otherwise it's AJ then dump down to Davis. Check out the Seattle game, he was the first read and had 10 catches for 81 yards. If he gets looks, he is productive. Problem is Carr won't look his way.
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You can't blame Carr for all of it, but you can't blame it all on Gaffney either. I'm not sure how Carr was supposed to throw to Gaffney when our whole offense revolved around a 2 step drop and throw a screen pass. On paper, Gaffney had his best season last year with 55 receptions. I think that that will go up to about 65 this year with a decent offensive line that gives Carr time to pass and coach that actually knows a thing or two about offense. I still don't think anyone on our roster (aside from AJ) is good enough to be a #2 WR. We need a free agent pickup (not Kevin Walter) who will take more pressure off of AJ.
 
Until we get a solid OL, I'm going to give Carr the benefit of the doubt. With 2-3 seconds to get rid of the ball, there's not a lot of opportunities to scan the field for other options. Carr may ultimately be a bust, but let's give him a chance to throw behind a better pass blocking line first. This is the very reason why I believe that we'll take D'Brick with our #1 pick.

Vinny,

As things stand now, I agree with your stance on the prime FA's reluctance to come here. However, anyone who's anyone, knows that a big part of Carr's lack of production has a lot to do with the Texan's OL. With that thought in mind, in your opinion, could the Texans drafting D'Brick & signing a veteran offensive lineman, or two, cause some of the premier FA's to reconsider Houston as a viable option?
 
TexanSam said:
You can't blame Carr for all of it, but you can't blame it all on Gaffney either. I'm not sure how Carr was supposed to throw to Gaffney when our whole offense revolved around a 2 step drop and throw a screen pass. On paper, Gaffney had his best season last year with 55 receptions. I think that that will go up to about 65 this year with a decent offensive line that gives Carr time to pass and coach that actually knows a thing or two about offense. I still don't think anyone on our roster (aside from AJ) is good enough to be a #2 WR. We need a free agent pickup (not Kevin Walter) who will take more pressure off of AJ.
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I think Moulds would be a solid addition to the Texans. He could be a great #2 guy. If the Texans could give him the money, they should.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
I think Moulds would be a solid addition to the Texans. He could be a great #2 guy. If the Texans could give him the money, they should.
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Eric Moulds probably won't want to be a #2 guy. Look at his stats, he's been productive every year of his career except for his first two (he's been in the leage 10 years). I would like him also, but he's going to be asking for a ton of money and I don't think he'd like to be second fiddle behind AJ.
 
Vinny said:
I picked up Kevin Walter for a few weeks on my Dynasty team last year, so he has some potential. He beat out Kelly Washington but doesn't have the talent of Chris Henry who played most of the slot snaps. Good size...Possession wr - Joe Jurevicius type. Henry has legal problems and I don't think they want Washington back...so they may match the offer sheet.
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Bengals tendered an offer the Washington, but they like Walter he has good hands and did a good job when he came into the offence last year.
 
that still doesnt answer the ? of what makes him better than any receiver we already have on the team (armstrong and gaff)... Why is it we ALWAYS go after some no name person...
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Outside of Houston, Armstrong and Gaffney ARE the no name types. Especially Armstrong.
 
You know how the last couple weeks, we've been going on about how this guy hasn't taken a snap, that guy hasn't taken a snap....... or that we have no idea how so & so is going to handle the NFL.... With some of these unknowns... we know better now than we did before.. Take Joe Horn for instance.... He was the best WR KC had, but they didn't know it.....

Kubiak may not think as highley of Gaffney/Armstrong/Mathis as we homers do. he may think that is a bigger need than we do?? I don't know. Maybe they heard something about this kid that they like?? who knows.

Me, I'm just happy they are out there, and being active.

I really wish we had heard news about Carr working out over the summer, like that Aikman thing..... sure would make me feel better 'bout that.
 
dont get it twisted, Kevin Walter is a pretty damn good WR. Its just that we're already stacked at WR, and we don't usually run more than a 3 WR set. He really emerged this year, beating out Kelley Washington, and getting the first TD of his career. he could be a #2 possession WR, IMO, most def.
 
Like I said, Kubes might not like our guys... might be looking to trade one of our guys, or more in a package deal of some sort, and looking for a replacement.
 
I would love to see Walter here. Better than Bradford.......
 
Kind of iffy on Walter - Seems like a decent WR - but hasnt produced much nor had much playing time and thats usually a sign if you have been on a team a few years.

Moulds - a solid pickup - will be asking for more than we want to spend on a #2 wr

Jeravicious[sp] - Ditto as with Moulds

Givens - This is one name thats peaking my interest esp lately. Played a few years with the Patriots during the SB rns so has good experience and decent stats much like Gaffneys. A decent #2 guy and looks to come open in free agency and could be in our price range and interested as hes a Hometown guy too.
 
I, being a Bears fan, followed this kid through high school and his college career where he set several records while playing there. In his senior year he had between 90 and 100 catches and ONLY dropped 3 passes all year.

When he came out of college drafted by the Giants with 9 WR fighting for 2 positions, not the best odds, but he made the best of it. They compare him to Ed Mc. from Denver because he is a WR you can count on to get you the first down and then some.

He was let go because of numbers and imediately picked up by the Bengals. This guys has one of the best work ethics and a class act to go along with it. I wanted him to be on the Bears across from Moose any day.

When he came out of college he ran a 4.45, 6'4, 218lbs, excellent hands, tight route runner, and benched over 400lbs. He continues to work hard to get faster and better.

He is the Bengals Special Team Ace. One of the fastest as a gunner. I remember a Monday night game against Denver he lined up against Champ Bailey on a punt as a gunner and blew right past Champ. Of course the next time they punted, there was another with Champ to try to get to him.

If you watched the Bengals playoff game when Carson got hurt early, you saw what Kevin can do when given the chance. I even have to say he looked even faster than I remember seeing him that night, and catching everything Kitna put in his area. He was out running DBs and outleaping them as well.

I have no doubt with Kevin's work ethic and character (role model) and most of all his passion and skills of the game, he could easily be your #2 and a BIG target for CARR!!!
The one thing you need is Linemen to protect Carr for 1 second more than he has and you guys will be knocking on the division championship in less than 2 years!!!

I know, I as a Bear fan have been where you are and we have been around alot longer, so at least you guys in Texas have an excuse.

And NO, I am not his agent... Just a fan of the game!!!

Oh yeah, as for not producing... Kinda hard to uproot Chad Johnson and TJ. But if you look, when he was in there an was thrown the ball... HE PRODUCED!!! That is what you ask for from a WR.
 
Thanks for the info Bear Fan. Sounds like someone we should be looking at. Sure your not getting a cut on his contract?
 
edo783 said:
Thanks for the info Bear Fan. Sounds like someone we should be looking at. Sure your not getting a cut on his contract?
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I wish I were getting a cut. I have not read about any other teams, but the Texans would definitely benefit... I know we WOULD have.
 
from www.kffl.com

Texans | Team visits with K. Walter
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:19:17 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans visited with free agent WR Kevin Walter (Bengals) Saturday, March 11. The team would like to sign him.
 
Don't give us that wind about "good FAs go to winning teams."

Look at the Browns. They got Bentley and Jurevicious. These are GOOD players. The Browns are not a good team. But they roped them in because they paid. That's all it is. It's money.

But you can't tell me the Browns are more deserving of great signings while we have to beg for the leftover scraps of the league. We're not going to build a championship team by piecing together guys from everyone else's backup squads.
 
Snapple said:
Don't give us that wind about "good FAs go to winning teams."

Look at the Browns. They got Bentley and Jurevicious. These are GOOD players. The Browns are not a good team. But they roped them in because they paid. That's all it is. It's money.

But you can't tell me the Browns are more deserving of great signings while we have to beg for the leftover scraps of the league. We're not going to build a championship team by piecing together guys from everyone else's backup squads.
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Bentley WANTED to play for the Browns and look what they ended up paying him.
 
Well, I'm not saying we should've gone after Bentley specifically. He was overpaid a bit, but at least that's one less position they have to worry about.

On receivers, I'd rather have a guy filling our #2 roll who has had experience playing almost every down. Kevin Walter is obviously not one of those guys.

So our chance at Bruce and Givens slipped away. There are other receivers out there. What about Antonio Bryant? He's not coming back to the Browns, and he doesn't have a new home yet. I think he'll be a solid #2.
 
Hulk75 said:
Good enough for me, Kubiak will do what is right, we have to believe that.
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NO, NO, and NO!!!! You do not have to be a lemming, or a sheep. It's OKAY to be skeptical. Sheep mentality is what had everybody thinking playoffs last year because we were told thats what would happen in year 4 of the plan. Kubiak has NEVER been a head coach. Yes he has credentials. Fine. So David Carr stunk because of the O-Line. Fine. What has Gary Kubiak done to address the o-line? Nada. So why should I believe Carr will become a magic man? No particular reason. I hope we go 16-0 and shut me the heck up, but I just cant do blind optimism anymore. Not until we

A) Get a quality O-line
B) Get a quality quarterback
or
C) Get ourselves to .500.

No more *In the front office we trust* I watch a lot of football, talk a lot of football, and there are a lot of people on this board that evaluate football. I refuse to defer the collective pool of knowledge to the plan of our new head coach. So far our big free agent splash on an atrocious team is....sage rosenfels. yippee.
 
Texans | Rumor alert: Team signs K. Walter to offer sheet
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:43:12 -0800

Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports the Houston Texans might have signed restricted free agent WR Kevin Walter (Bengals) to an offer sheet. The Bengals might not match the offer since it is expected to average $1.5 million a season with $2.5 million up front. If the team does not match the offer and Walter signs with the Texans, the Bengals would receive a seventh-round draft choice as compensation.


What the ******* ???
 
Danish Texan said:
Texans | Rumor alert: Team signs K. Walter to offer sheet
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:43:12 -0800

Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports the Houston Texans might have signed restricted free agent WR Kevin Walter (Bengals) to an offer sheet. The Bengals might not match the offer since it is expected to average $1.5 million a season with $2.5 million up front. If the team does not match the offer and Walter signs with the Texans, the Bengals would receive a seventh-round draft choice as compensation.


What the ******* ???
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yep thats what it says on the Bengals website - I dont think the Bengals will match it. Walter will be the Number 3 slot reciever. I guess Gaffney stays. Bye Bye Mr Bradford
 
may as well pick up a wide reciever with a seventh round pick, especially in a draft that is so thin at the WR position.
 
bATXle red said:
may as well pick up a wide reciever with a seventh round pick, especially in a draft that is so thin at the WR position.
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what good will a 7th round reciever do?
 
I think Kevin Walter will turn out to be one of the best free agent signings in our brief history. Assuming we get him.
 
mancunian said:
yep thats what it says on the Bengals website - I dont think the Bengals will match it. Walter will be the Number 3 slot reciever. I guess Gaffney stays. Bye Bye Mr Bradford
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What makes you think Gaffney stays? He's more of a slot guy himself and we are jammed up with slot guys.

I've had a feeling for a while - like months - that Drew is going to be able to get Jabar more money from someone else than the Texans are willing to offer.

I always thought of Gafney and Armstrong as interchangeable.

Mathis needs a ton of work before he's a legit #2. The WR corps as a whole still needs work but if the Texans sign Putzier and draft Bush, they won't be as desperate for a #2 WR who needs to catch 50-60 + for the offense to be potent.
 
aj. said:
I always thought of Gafney and Armstrong as interchangeable.
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I'm starting to think our new coaches found them interchangeable and "do withoutable".
 
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