Texans showing some interest in Boulware

[Carr Bombed]

I think the question regarding Boulware is the status of his knee injury. If it's ready to go, then Boulware is an upgrade over Peek. He averaged nearly 10 sacks a game from '97-'03 & plays the run much better than Peek. There's really no comparision, one guy has done it, one guy hasn't. If the knee is not ready to go full tilt, don't bring Boulware in. Peek or bust.

As Texan fans, we tend to overvalue the players on our roster. Nowhere else will you see fans consider a healthy Peter Boulware having to compete for a job against a Peek type player. Of course if Boulware's knee is healthy, he'll want to get paid accordingly. Other teams will be interested & he won't come cheap. My guess would be that Boulware will get a better offer from Cleveland (they need good pub) or Seattle.

As nfl fans, we tend to overvalue a players name and the past success he has had. I'm telling yall Boulware would be a horrible horrible signing. I live near dallas so I have the pleasure ( :brickwall curse) in listening in to all their offseason moves. The dallas cowboys are switching to the 3-4 this season and they have undersized lbs and are going to be going into camp with needs at that position and they don't even want to touch this guy and the rumors around the league are he has bad knees. I'm not saying Boulware can't be productive if put in the right role, but he has already stated that he wants to be a starter and wants to be paid like one. If yall are frustrated with the G. Walker contract, lets see how upset people get if we sign a 31 year old who hasn't played in a year comming off major knee surgery and toe injuries (yall have seen what toe injuries has done to G. Walker). Agian Boulware is 31, its not like a 25 or 26 year old comming off a knee injury at his age it takes alot longer to heal and he might not be anything like the player yall remember.The last thing we need to do is start signing names ala Hugh Douglas, Marceles Wiley, Warren Sapp, Emmit Smith, Eddie G., and so on and so on, if yall want me to go on I will. Boulware, sounds great, gets fans all excited and brings high expectations, but = BAD SIGNING, especialy at the deal he wants. Everybody praises the job New Englands front office has done during their Superbowl runs and how many Big Name signing did they make. Sometimes its best not to sign a Big name, especially one whos 31, hasn't played in a year and is comming off a MAJOR knee injury. Sometimes its best to give a player an opportunity to make a name for himself, ala Peek and the other quality young players we have on this team, they have alot more upside and are ALOT cheaper.

 

[TexansTrueFan]

hmm is our whole Defense gonna consist of nothing but LBs this year or something ?

 

[dalemurphy]

I don't think anyone here wants Boulware if the team doesn't check out his knees and find them in good health. Furthermore, nobody is suggesting that we sign him to an 8 million dollar signing bonus and a 5 year contract.

Regardless of what he wants, a competitive bid for a healthy Boulware that is structured in a cap-friendly way for probably two years, would be a good thing for this team to do. Boulware is not unlike Wong in that he could play 3 positions for this defense. He could play one of the ILB positions or either of the OLB positions... He would provide us great depth, whether he was starting or not.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I don't think anyone here wants Boulware if the team doesn't check out his knees and find them in good health. Furthermore, nobody is suggesting that we sign him to an 8 million dollar signing bonus and a 5 year contract.

Regardless of what he wants, a competitive bid for a healthy Boulware that is structured in a cap-friendly way for probably two years, would be a good thing for this team to do. Boulware is not unlike Wong in that he could play 3 positions for this defense. He could play one of the ILB positions or either of the OLB positions... He would provide us great depth, whether he was starting or not.

Well I guess we don't have to worry about signing Boulware, since he doesn't want to take a short term back up role for the league min. If this team wants to go out and sign a FA splash. do so on the OL or the WR posistion, the last thing we need is a aging LB with rebuilt knees and wheels. Look I'm not trying to be hard on Boulware, but I've seen this story to many times and if yall forget yall are Texan fans for a sec., yall would realize this is not a good signing. Boulware is 31 , comming off a major knee injury and other foot problems and didn't play last year, at his age it is wishful thinking that he is going to be able to return to anything we once was. Believe me I hate to be the voice of reason here, but if any of our divisional rivals were to pull this deal off we would be hounding them.

 

[Lucky]

...Boulware is 31 , comming off a major knee injury and other foot problems and didn't play last year, at his age it is wishful thinking that he is going to be able to return to anything we once was. Believe me I hate to be the voice of reason here, but if any of our divisional rivals were to pull this deal off we would be hounding them.

dalemurphy pretty much hit on my points. No one is suggesting signing Boulware unless his knee checks out. And if his knee does check out, why couldn't Boulware play at a level approaching his previous seasons? Jason Taylor & Simeon Rice are still getting to the QB, and they're the same age as Boulware. Don't tell me you wouldn't want the Texans to consider those guys. Or do they also pale in comparison to Antwan Peek?

Not that it matters, but Peter Boulware's birthday is 12/18/74. Which would make him 30 years of age until Week 15 of the '05 season. So if you're going to repeatedly post his age, you may as well get it right. FWIW, Boulware says he's healthy & has a couple of more good years left. I think Casserly would be derelict in his duty as GM if he didn't bring Boulware in for a physical & gauge his interest in joining the team. Here are some reasonable facts that are undeniable: Peter Boulware has 67.5 career sacks. Antwan Peek has 3 career sacks. I don't think I'd "hound" any team that was wise enough to sign Boulware.

 

[TopTexanFan16]

Peter Boulware has 67.5 career sacks. Antwan Peek has 3 career sacks. I don't think I'd "hound" any team that was wise enough to sign Boulware.

of course hes going to have more sacks hes been playing longer and has been a starter to of which peek hasnt been. IMHO i would much rather have peek then someone we'd sign and he'd play maybe 1 or 2 more years with us. I think ur facts are skewed if your goin to compare peek and Boulware.

 

[Lucky]

of course hes going to have more sacks hes been playing longer and has been a starter to of which peek hasnt been. IMHO i would much rather have peek then someone we'd sign and he'd play maybe 1 or 2 more years with us. I think ur facts are skewed if your goin to compare peek and Boulware.

I guess comparing Boulware to any reserve LB in the league is absurd. The reserve LB might be as good as a 4-time Pro Bowler if just given the chance. Do I really know that Dave Ragone isn't as good as Daunte Culpepper? The facts are "skewed" in Culpepper's favor, so I can't really compare the two.

Another "skewed" fact: Peek is in the last year of his contract. Do we really know how much longer he'll be around?

 

[dalemurphy]

.......Get Boulware, heck of a player, Peek leaves and goes to indy or Jax and becomes the next Boulware.
Or dont pick up Boulware and let Peek show us what he can do.I am a BIG PEEK FAN, hope he gets is chance HERE! I am glad Iam not making this decision.

Signing Boulware has nothing to do with what happens with Peek. Peek won't be going anywhere for two years. Whether he plays much or sits on the bench, he'll go where he's offered the most money. If he doesn't play, do you really think teams are going to be throwing $20 million dollar contracts at him?

 

[Vinny]

I agree...Boulware was the FOURTH overall pick in the 1977 draft. Peek is not that kind of prospect.

http://drafthistory.com/years/1997.html

 

[TexansTrueFan]

lets just keep on getting people so we can have the best off all positions, we need it so we can have the best chance to win

 

[Carr Bombed]

dalemurphy pretty much hit on my points. No one is suggesting signing Boulware unless his knee checks out. And if his knee does check out, why couldn't Boulware play at a level approaching his previous seasons? Jason Taylor & Simeon Rice are still getting to the QB, and they're the same age as Boulware. Don't tell me you wouldn't want the Texans to consider those guys. Or do they also pale in comparison to Antwan Peek?

Not that it matters, but Peter Boulware's birthday is 12/18/74. Which would make him 30 years of age until Week 15 of the '05 season. So if you're going to repeatedly post his age, you may as well get it right. FWIW, Boulware says he's healthy & has a couple of more good years left. I think Casserly would be derelict in his duty as GM if he didn't bring Boulware in for a physical & gauge his interest in joining the team. Here are some reasonable facts that are undeniable: Peter Boulware has 67.5 career sacks. Antwan Peek has 3 career sacks. I don't think I'd "hound" any team that was wise enough to sign Boulware.

Sorry I was only 7 months off on his birthday, that makes a huge difference. Jason Taylor & Simeon Rice didn't miss a whole season last year and aren't comming off a major knee injury and I wouldn't know if they pale in comparison to peek, those are your words not mine since I've never said anything like that. Also of course Boulware is going to say he has a couple of years left in him, WHAT player wouldn't say that especialy when he is looking for a new team and contract. Sapp said the same thing last year and so did Eddie G. I find it completely ridiculous that when we cut sharper, who is about the same age and hasn't had a major knee injury or any other for that matter, people say he was getting to old and has lost a step, but when yall talk about Boulware, its "he is going to be great and a force". Look yall can disagree with me all yall want, but if he does come here and isn't like the player he was, the same people that are clammering for his services are going to be saying how stupid it was to sign him at the kind of money and conract he is going to demand, that is main reason I'm skitish about signing him.

 

[TexanFan881]

I say we bring him in for a visit to see what shape he is in and if he is in good shape then we should bring him in for a reasonable price

 

[dalemurphy]

You ever heard of a person named Steve Foley. :brickwall

Peek has two years left before he can be an unrestricted free agent. So, if Boulware is too old or injured, then you don't have to worry about Peek not getting a chance to start and show his talents. If Boulware plays every game and plays well and also Babin stays healthy and plays well then it was a good signing. Furthermore, when Peek becomes a FA after 2006, how much money do you think people will offer a career backup with a handful of sacks who was drafted in the third round?

 

[Cincinnatikid]

There are many "career backups" that are offered money by other teams because they realize the potential that the play has and hasnt been given a chance to show it. If Peek does not start this season then there is no reason for the Texans to be making it very difficult for another team to sign him next season. I think there would be plenty of teams willing to give up a third rounder for him, because they know what he could do. If the texans want to tender him higher than that, then he is worth something and he should be the starter. The problem with this message board is that all of these rumors start, everyone gets all worked up, and they change their minds every other day about how they feel about players. They need to learn to form an opinion and stick with it.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

The problem with this message board is that all of these rumors start, everyone gets all worked up, and they change their minds every other day about how they feel about players. They need to learn to form an opinion and stick with it.

Noone's opinion of Peek has changed, but the chance to get a guy who has performed at a pro-bowl level does change the situation Peek could be in. You are suggesting not seeing the whole picture.

 

[royce1054]

I was looking at the Texans web site. I know Moreno has been signed for a long time in all but when i saw his signing on the box below the main screen i started wondering what is the possibility that Moreno and Greenwood could start on the inside and Wong and Babin on the outside. I know we have been talking about Peek and how he deserves the oppertunity to play but does anyone else here think Moreno will land an inside LB job and Wong and Peek will fight over the outside position? This was an idea that just popped up in my head and i was wondering what some of you thought about it. I serious doubt we will land Boulware anyways buti think Peek will have his work cut out for him since the Moreno signing. I think Moreno is starting quality player.

 

[TexanFan881]

I could definately see that happening, but I heard Wong was moving into the inside, but after Moreno was officially signed that could be changing. I also like Moreno and I think he will just get better.

 

[Texansbacker]

I hope Moreno and Peek turn out to be steals and both live up to the potential that some see in them. Peek sure looked good at times last year and he also looked like an undiscliplined player too, which could win or lose you games.

The thing about PB is that he is a proven player with a Super Bowl ring. All he has to prove now is that he still has "it" and that he has completely rehabed his injury.

Charlie Casserly has to make the decision that he fits with the Texans salary cap situation, now and in the future, and that the injury is healed and has not effected his playmaking ability.

If Boulware comes in here and gets sacks like a madman then I am sure everyone would be happy; and if he didn't many would say to CC "I told you so!".

 

[SESupergenius]

Boulware is coming of some bad injuries. I am hesitant in taking him, but if we brought him in as a nickel pass rusher then I am all for it. Peek will be playing full time now and to lessen his load and we could put in Boulware. This would also allow Boulware time to get over some of those injuries. But once again, it all comes down to money, money,money, money........money.

 

[ThaShark316]

Texans | Boulware Visits - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 17 May 2005 18:51:23 -0700

Brent Jones, reports for the Baltimore Sun, free agent LB Peter Boulware (Ravens) visited with the Houston Texans Tuesday, May 17.


hmmm...could be a Texan? Our depth would be so so lovely at LB if we signed him.

 

[texanfan2002114]

This would be very good!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ThaShark316]

ThirdEye, i found the article, it was the LAST sentence on the page...


http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...y?coll=bal-sports-football&ctrack=2&cset=true

 

[Vinny]

http://www.bugmenot.com/ try this for those subscription sites....works great. If you use firefox you can incorporate it into your browser. Just copy n paste your url (address path) into their window and they generate a password without having to sign up.

 

[ccdude730]

http://www.bugmenot.com/ try this for those subscription sites....works great. If you use firefox you can incorporate it into your browser. Just copy n paste your url (address path) into their window and they generate a password without having to sign up.

wow thats awesome. thanks vinny!

and yeah. its a tiny sentence at the bottom of the article. im not going to get my hopes up or anything....back to the spurs game

 

[D-ReK]

I'd rather have Franks, but I wouldn't complain if we were to sign Boulware...

 

[TexanFan881]

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Texans | More on Boulware Visit - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 17 May 2005 20:02:22 -0700

Updating a previous story, Carlton Thompson, reports for the Houston Chronicle, free agent LB Peter Boulware (Ravens) took a physical when he visited the Houston Texans, Tuesday, May 17. How things will progress from this point is unclear. The Texans want to make sure they are satisfied with the health of Boulware's right knee and toe, which had injuries that contributed to him missing all of last season. Money will be an important factor as well. "Anytime there's an experienced player that has had experience in the league and becomes available, you always look at him," Texans head coach Dom Capers said. "That's basically what we're dealing with. We've just talked. That's basically where we are at." "I am healthy," Boulware said. "I'm ready to play. It's just a matter of me going on the field and proving it."

Why not give him a shot? I like him and I think he would start if he got signed... but if Peek plays better and gets the spot than I still wouldn't be mad with picking him up. Depth can never be a bad thing.

 

[vtech9]

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Why not give him a shot? I like him and I think he would start if he got signed... but if Peek plays better and gets the spot than I still wouldn't be mad with picking him up. Depth can never be a bad thing.

I wouldn't be against signing him and letting him compete for a starting job. I would let him know up front that he isn't guaranteed to start, but he would have the opportunity to win the starting job. It would be up to him to prove that he is better than what we already have.

 

[Texansbacker]

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Why not give him a shot? I like him and I think he would start if he got signed... but if Peek plays better and gets the spot than I still wouldn't be mad with picking him up. Depth can never be a bad thing.

Thannks for the info 881 and I too believe we should give him a shot provided he withstands all the doctors scrutiny and we can get him for a reasonable price with no long term consequences.

 

[Texansbacker]

I'd rather have Franks, but I wouldn't complain if we were to sign Boulware...

Who said we couldn't get them both?

 

[D-ReK]

Who said we couldn't get them both?

We probably could, but we'd be cutting it really close...According to HPF, we're about 7.5M under the cap...Rookies will take up about 2.5M of that, and Franks would probably want at least 3M a year, leaving 2M for Boulware, and I anticipate him wanting more than that...It's possible, but far from probable...

 

[TEXANS84]

Hey, I'm all for whatever makes the team succeed. As much as I believe that Peek is worthy of a starting position (and well deserved), Boulware would provide instant results.

Just watch the cap space, please!

 

[LikeABoss]

Texans | More on Boulware Visit - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 17 May 2005 20:02:22 -0700

Updating a previous story, Carlton Thompson, reports for the Houston Chronicle, free agent LB Peter Boulware (Ravens) took a physical when he visited the Houston Texans, Tuesday, May 17. How things will progress from this point is unclear. The Texans want to make sure they are satisfied with the health of Boulware's right knee and toe, which had injuries that contributed to him missing all of last season. Money will be an important factor as well. "Anytime there's an experienced player that has had experience in the league and becomes available, you always look at him," Texans head coach Dom Capers said. "That's basically what we're dealing with. We've just talked. That's basically where we are at." "I am healthy," Boulware said. "I'm ready to play. It's just a matter of me going on the field and proving it."

Sounds like Boulware wants the Texans to overpay for his injury proned services like Kansas City did with Kendrell Bell.

Thanks, but No Thanks

I say let Peek start and let's blitz our LBs more.

 

[TEXANS84]

Houston Chronicle article on Boulware's visit just hit the website:

Boulware Visit Link

 

[ThaShark316]

Texans | Look to Sign M. Rivers - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 17 May 2005 20:52:26 -0700

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Houston Texans are apparently going to sign free agent TE Marcellus Rivers (Giants). He visited with the Texans Tuesday, May 17 and the team kept him in town overnight. Rivers was flown in after the Texans found out TE Bennie Joppru was lost for the season with a torn ACL.


There's our TE folks.

 

[STEEL BLUE TEXANS]

Maybe we can sign Darnell Dinkins too if the Ravens cut him.

 

[TexanFan881]

From the houston chronicle article on leaving the Ravens:

"It wasn't really a money thing," he said. "It was a reduction maybe in my role, maybe being a third-down player. I know I can play on third down, but I also think I can be a first- and second-down player as well. If I have to be a third-down player, that's fine, but at least I'm going to weigh my options and see what happens."

I thought this was interesting. I definately think he could be an all down player but if he is a third down player I think he will still make an impact.

 

[TheTim5125]

Boulware would be great... we would be able to shuffle LB throughout th egame to keep them fresh

 

[El Tejano]

Considering everyone is looking for Boulware to be a 3rd down rusher, did anyone consider that perhaps Boulware could come in and replace Babin on Blitz packages. Peek is not a secret anymore, at least with the teams that already played us, so I am sure he may see his share of double teams this year. Babin, although a very good tackler with good speed didn't show pass rushing skill at times last year. Putting Boulware on one end and Peek on the other could present some match up problems favoring our front 7.

Also the benefit of Peek learning from a Pro Bowler could be priceless for years to come.

I say what the heck, pull the deal off.

 

[The Preacher]

It would be nice if he would sign for cheap knowing he would play more here. I just wonder if all our young talent is enough to entice someone to do that with only a few years left and wanting to make a championship run. Probably not.

 

[El Tejano]

It would be nice if he would sign for cheap knowing he would play more here. I just wonder if all our young talent is enough to entice someone to do that with only a few years left and wanting to make a championship run. Probably not.

Yeah, I think of that too and the more I think about it, the more I continue to think this visit to us as just a starting point to see what is being offered. The only real hope we have is if these other teams that are headed for a championship are willing to gamble on him too.

 

[edo783]

We are probably just his "Stalking Horse" for negotiations with the SeaChickens.

 

[D-ReK]

One of the members on the HPF board put it best: We're like the decent looking girl that you're nice too just in case the hot girl says she doesn't want to go to the prom with you...

 

[Blake]

haha thats funny. And its sad but true. Of course, alot of other teams get used as well.

But damn Orlando for doing it to us.

 

[Vinny]

Considering everyone is looking for Boulware to be a 3rd down rusher, did anyone consider that perhaps Boulware could come in and replace Babin on Blitz packages. Peek is not a secret anymore, at least with the teams that already played us, so I am sure he may see his share of double teams this year. Babin, although a very good tackler with good speed didn't show pass rushing skill at times last year.

Babin has more career sacks as a rookie than the 3 year veteran Peek.

 

[El Tejano]

Babin has more career sacks as a rookie than the 3 year veteran Peek.

I know but I am just trying to add another reason why signing someone of Boulware's magnitude would benefit us. Using the fact that Babin has more sacks than Peek just makes it even more interesting because then you could have Boulware opposite Babin and that could draw double teams also. I just thought of that scenario because in my opinion I would rather double Peek than Babin if I were an opposing coach.

But really if you add the Dline into that mix, with the addition of Johnson, it really could benefit more for the Dlineman to have Boulware because it would mean alot more pressure up the middle.

 

[royce1054]

To be honest my biggest question about him was answered when he passed his physical with flying colors. I am for bringing him now. Wheither its 3rd down only or taking a job from Peek i think he can be a great addition now. He will bring a pass rush that is badly needed on this team

 

[Blake]

I think its a great idea as well. You have to also worry about depth. How are you going to feel if Peek gets hurt? Who would play ROLB? D.D. Acholonu?

I would rather have Boulware, and as a backup, Peek. But thats just me.

 

[TopTexanFan16]

Babin has more career sacks as a rookie than the 3 year veteran Peek.

Hows that fair to compare a rookie STARTER to a 3 year veteran who isnt a starter. i think peek has amazing potential and he should be played. Boulware is an amazing player but we just cut all our old guys why bring in another? and peek IMHO will be the next best OLB in the 3-4 i like him alot.

 

[royce1054]

I think its a great idea as well. You have to also worry about depth. How are you going to feel if Peek gets hurt? Who would play ROLB? D.D. Acholonu?

I would rather have Boulware, and as a backup, Peek. But thats just me.

I agree with you!!!!! I say go get him and let them play it out in camp for the starting positions see who wants it more

 

[Vinny]

Hows that fair to compare a rookie STARTER to a 3 year veteran who isnt a starter. i think peek has amazing potential and he should be played. Boulware is an amazing player but we just cut all our old guys why bring in another? and peek IMHO will be the next best OLB in the 3-4 i like him alot.

Easy, he has had 2 years to make the starting lineup. Babin has more sacks in one year than Peek has in his career so far. If you can't show you can play in practice you won't get many chances on the field.